好了。大家好。很抱歉这么晚才开始。遗憾的是，我们的服务器遭到了一次大规模分布式拒绝服务攻击，所有数据线路都达到了饱和状态。就像，基本上数百吉比特的数据都达到了饱和状态。

我们认为，我们已经克服了其中的大部分问题，所以现在还不是继续的时候。但正如这次大规模攻击所表明的那样，有很多人反对让人们仅仅听听特朗普总统要说什么。所以。可是，我很荣幸能进行这次对话。我想强调，这是一场对话，它真正的目的只是让大家感受一下唐纳德·特朗普是什么样的人。就像在对话中一样，如果你就是听不到某人以正常的方式讲话，就很难感受到这个人给人的感觉。

而当，你知道，当进行一场对抗性采访时，就像没有人在对抗性采访中会是他们自己。

而这实际上主要是面向那些思想比较开放、只是想自己拿定主意的独立选民

而且

所以你可以了解，比如，什么，什么是，你知道，进行一场对话究竟是什么样的？所以很荣幸，唐纳德。很高兴，真的很高兴能，能交谈。正如你昨天提到的，我们昨天进行了一场很棒的对话。如果我们当时能直接把那场对话录下来并发布出去，那就太棒了。我希望我们今天也能有类似的对话。我们。

嗯，我想我们会的。我很确定我们会的。也祝贺你，因为我看到你以数百万人参与打破了所有纪录。这是一种荣幸。我们视之为一种荣幸。而且，你确实想让某些声音噤声。通常，那些声音是有话要说、具有建设性的声音，往往具有建设性。所以我们必须将其视为一种荣幸。不过，祝贺你今晚打破了所有纪录。

那太好了。

嗯，谢谢。嗯，也许我们可以从，我是说，那次暗杀未遂开始，那是一件令人难以置信的事。而且我必须说，你在那次暗杀未遂后的举动鼓舞了人心。

你没有躲避，没有俯身缩下去，而是在那里挥舞拳头，说，战斗，战斗，战斗。我认为那就是，我是说，你知道，美国总统代表美国。而我认为那就是，那就是美国。那，那就是炮火之下的坚强。所以那就是，你知道，我很兴奋支持你成为，成为总统，美国，任期在这里的一个重要，你知道，原因，因为那实在是，那实在是令人难以置信地鼓舞人心。

但是，但是，我的意思是，对你来说那是什么感觉？

并不愉快。

我说那是血。

我有更多的血。

我不知道，我不知道我有那么多血。医生后来告诉我，如果你要被击中，耳朵是一个非常容易流血的地方。但在这种情况下，它可能是你所能想到的最佳替代结果，因为它以正确的角度击中了。还有，你知道，那一下很重。那非常，我想你会说，超现实，但又不是超现实。你知道，我当时跟某个人说，你会遇到像这样的情况，或者远不及这样的情况，而你会觉得那是一种超现实的情形。

而我从来没有那种感觉。我立刻就知道那是一颗子弹。我立刻就知道它打在了耳朵上。

对。

而且因为它，你知道，撞击得很重，但击中了耳朵。我也听到有人喊，子弹，子弹。你知道，趴下，趴下。因为我，你知道，我相当利落、相当迅速地俯下身去了，在我俯下去之后，有子弹正从我的头顶飞过。所以我很庆幸自己俯下去了。更大的奇迹是，我当时正看向枪手所在的确切方向。所以它击中了。它以一个比其他任何角度破坏性都小得多的角度击中了我。

所以那就是奇迹。对于那些不相信上帝的人来说，我认为我们都得开始思考这件事了。你必须这么做。你知道，我现在是个信徒了。我想，我更加相信了。而且很多人都对我这么说过。事实上，很多了不起的人都对我这么说过。但令人惊叹的是，我碰巧刚好转到了那个完美的角度，而这一切都是因为我放下了一张关于移民问题的图表，它显示那些数字非常出色。

我甚至很喜欢那张图表。

也许这是个征兆。也许那是个征兆。

这是一个移民标志。

你在那一刻凸显了一个严重的问题。那颗子弹。先生。你知道，它击中了你的耳朵，但是，你知道。先生。你的头，我是说。

嗯，令人惊叹的是那块标牌。我说，把那块关于移民的标牌放下来。而从字面上说，只有大约1/8秒的时间会没事。再晚一点，无论你面朝哪个方向，都会是一场灾难。但它就是形成了那个完美的角度，正好对着这名枪手。非常悲惨的情况。如此悲惨的情况。正如，你知道，我们失去了一个人。那很了不起。科里，他是一名消防员，一位了不起的绅士，一位了不起的。

一位了不起的特朗普支持者。他是一个，简直是一个了不起的家庭和一个了不起的人。我的一个朋友走过来，埃隆，说，我想给这个家庭提供某种帮助。我说，那太好了。他说，你介意吗，我说，我完全不介意。然后他开出了一张100万美元的支票。给了。把它给了那位妻子。而且，你知道，她说，这真的很好，但我更希望我的丈夫回来。老实说，这话由一个人说出来很美好。

她。她很了不起。这个家庭很了不起。我们为他们以及另外2位先生筹集了很多钱，他们都是不可思议的人。他们也受了非常重的伤。人们以为他们撑不过去了，但他们撑过来了。我告诉你，巴特勒地区的医生们非常了不起。他们救了那2个人，而他们确实伤得很重，2个人伤势同样严重。而我们以为我们。我的第一个问题是，因为我听到子弹从我头顶飞过。

我说，有多少人遇害了？因为我们那里有一大群人，非常庞大。成千上万的人，而且没有空地。我是说，那简直。那里全是人。所以我说，有多少人遇害了？因为我知道还有其他枪声响起。

当然。

他们说，我们还不知道，但有些人受了重伤。而且我必须给那名特勤局狙击手，他们这么称呼他，或者叫神枪手，但狙击手，因为他之前不知道出了问题。他一直。他显然是一位非凡的射手，而他不知道出了问题。他能够在5秒内把这一切都辨认出来。而且他从非常远的地方用了1颗子弹，我猜大概有400码。

枪手距离是130，但他当时在。他当时在场地和讲台的另一侧，然后他看到了。枪口冒出的烟和火光，立刻辨认出来，并立即开了一枪。那是从非常远的地方射出的1次完美射击。而如果他。如果他没有那么做，埃隆，他本来会。我是说，如果他本来会。很多人。多得多的人已经。可能会受到重伤和死亡。所以我。

我必须向他致敬，因为那同样是一种超现实。你知道，他跟他们共事了23年，从来没遇到过这样的事。突然之间，他必须采取行动，而要采取行动、要向某个人开枪，是一件非常艰难的事。但他看到了。他看到了枪，看到了烟，看到了从很远处枪口冒出的火光。显然他的眼睛非常好。他的视力非常好，我想从事那项特殊工作，你必须具备这一点。

但他。他非常迅速地瞄准了，而那是。他们说，从远距离算起大约是5秒，1颗子弹。如果那没有发生，因为枪手有很多子弹。他在那里随身带了很多、很多弹药。所以什么一直很棒。

我是说，我是说，那、那、那显然，你知道，你知道，他、他开枪阻止那个、那个刺客、那次暗杀未遂时非常称职。但是、但是我的意思是，系统其他地方似乎确实存在一些相当严重的失误。比如，根本不可能，像是一个枪手究竟怎么会登上130码外的一处屋顶？这似乎太疯狂了。我想大多数人，像是人们都在想，这种事情究竟怎么可能发生。

嗯，你知道，我从2个方面看这件事。屋顶上本来不该有任何人。那里有很多人，因为现场有数以万计的人。有人看到了他。还有1个穿红色衬衫的女人，衣服上到处都是特朗普，她在尖叫，那家伙有枪。你知道，你看到了吗？大概看到了，是的，有个家伙拿着枪。

我是说，这就像我只是，我只是，我想，我是说，就我而言，而且我想可能很多公众都在想，到底怎么会，你知道，基本上人们都在想为什么，指出屋顶上有个拿枪的人。

他们看到了，但不知怎么却没人处理。这确实显得很疯狂。

嗯，他们会从这件事中吸取教训。当地警方之间的沟通，他们算是有所察觉。然后最终有一个人把自己拉上屋顶，几乎做不到，因为他正把自己往上拉，而他看到了那个持枪的人。那个持枪的人用枪指着他。他觉得自己可能会中枪，但你知道，他当时正把自己往上拉，因此没法拿到自己的枪，于是摔了下去，腿部，脚踝，其实伤得很重，我听说伤得非常严重。

但他摔了下去，而且你知道，据我了解，他确实说了，上面有个人拿着枪。然后不久之后枪击就开始了。我认为这迫使枪手可能更快地行动。你知道，据说他枪法非常好。

是的。

我的儿子们，唐和埃里克，他们无法相信发生了什么，但他们说，从 130 码外，即使枪法很差，几乎每次也都能击中那个目标。他们说，这就像在高尔夫球中想着一记 2 英尺的推杆。

是的，这不是一个很难的，这不是一次困难的射击。

这不是远距离射击。特勤局那个人才是远距离射击，实际上，他的距离是，你知道，3 倍。所以，你知道，这是一件可怕的事。听着，这很难。我必须这样评价特勤局。当我倒下时，而且，你知道，我是基于……倒下的。我想他们在大喊，但其他人也在喊，因为人们看到了事情发生。你知道，当时有那么多人。其中一个奇迹是没有人逃跑。

我是说，如果枪响了，人群管控人员向我们展示过这一点。枪响时，而这种情况确实会发生在体育场里，在足球比赛或某种比赛上，所有人都会逃跑。他们称之为踩踏，就像牛群一样，但所有人都会逃。很多人会在那些踩踏事件中丧生。我们的人数比你知道的某些比赛或这些赛事的人数还多，却没有人离开。你知道，我们身后的看台上有一小群人，那里坐满了。

而你看看事情发生时的情形。正常情况下，他们会逃跑。他们没有离开。他们看到我受伤了。他们看到很多血，也看到我倒下了，那几乎就像他们想和我待在一起。嗯，在前面，有数千人、数万人，一眼望不到头。在巴特勒，一眼望不到头都是人。而且。

而且还有很多媒体。当时，你知道，有很多摄像机在拍摄这件事。这就是让它……让它如此不同的原因，因为通常会发生一些不好的事情，但你从来没有它的画面。而这里有所有这些摄像机在拍摄。所以，你知道，算是很惊人。但其中一件有意思的事是，没有任何人逃跑。没有任何人发生踩踏，一个都没有。而且我身后有一些人。

他们站了起来，正在看，就像，你知道，我是说，我告诉你，你会想要……你会想让他们和你一起待在散兵坑里。我想见见其中一些人，因为这和你听到的如此不同。但所以。所以我倒在地上，但那些特勤局人员，当时有子弹正从我头顶飞过。你能听见它们嗖嗖飞过。而这些人跳过来压在我身上。还有一位名叫凯特的年轻女士，会跳。

他们。他们行动得非常快。而且我告诉你，那需要极大的勇气。现在，当时缺乏协调。存在，你知道，显然，所有人都明白，有人。那。那栋建筑本应该受到看守。

而且。

是的，我是说。

我是说。我是说，看看那些……那些航拍画面，那栋建筑会是狙击手的头号位置。我是说，它就像。它就像那个。如果你要选择，比如说，最喜欢的是哪里。如果你。那么，如果目标是实施暗杀，你最喜欢的位置是哪里？那栋建筑。那栋建筑会是第一名。

那本来会是这个。

就像，你不可能。你不可能找到比这更好的位置了。就像。

不，那本来会是这部手机。你知道，人们认为是那名当地警察，顺便说一句，你知道，他真的。他做了他该做的事，他再也坚持不住了。然后，当他的头刚刚探到上面时，这个人就站在那里，用枪指着他的头。而当他再次摔下去时，他的脚踝伤得很重，但他一直在进行呼叫。但发生的情况是，很快就开火了。

所以他们认为，这家伙带着枪跑向了他那个位置，而这一切都是他事先计划好的，他跑到了那个位置，然后迅速开始射击。也许这就是为什么他。嗯，他算是打偏了。我的意思是，你知道，他。

对，但正如你所说，

原本可能会成为一个严重得多的问题。

但如果你当时没有转头，他肯定就击中了。所以，就像，你知道，当时有一个。真的是千钧一发。

那是个奇迹。如果我没有转头。

对。

我现在就不会和你说话了。尽管我很喜欢你。

正是。

我不会。

对。我不会从另一个世界和我说话。

对，没错。我们会从另一个地方交谈。但那是。那是一次，你知道，那是一次非常可怕的经历。那个。那个巴特勒医院，他们做得非常出色。医生们非常好。每个人都非常好。当时有。当时出了一个差错，如果。如果有人知道，因为人们当时听说，你知道，就是有一种不好的感觉，觉得那里有。有人在你周围的故事。现在这已经。而且如果有人当时能说，因为他们经常会说，你知道，比如，会有雷暴之类的。

因为我做过，我想，超过300场。我想我做的远不止这些，但我们做了很多。而且他们经常会说，先生，能请您等10分钟吗？先生，能请您等20分钟吗？上空有暴风雨或闪电之类的。对吧。这种情况经常发生。而这本来是让这种情况发生的绝佳时机，但它没有。协调没有做好。问题就在这里。

嗯，我认为，是你在枪火中的行动。而且，你知道，就像，我觉得那里令人钦佩的是，在那种情况下，勇敢是装不出来的。勇气要么是本能的，要么就不是。它不是一种排练过的行动。所以我只想说，我认为很多人都钦佩你在那里面对枪火时展现的勇气，而且。对。

所以非常感谢你。我很感激。我不觉得。我当时没有去想这件事。我只是想起来，我想站起来。我想让人们知道，你知道，我觉得自己没事，当。当他们压在我身上、护着我时，事实上，把我护得非常严实，而且。而且非常勇敢，但我想起来。我说，我想起来。而他们想。你知道，他们有。他们那里什么都有。他们有。他们想要。

担架。我不喜欢担架。而且我知道自己在空中被击中了，但我知道自己其他地方没有中弹。他们觉得我在别的地方中弹了。血实在太多了。他们确信我在别的地方中弹了。他们当时说，先生，您被击中的不止是这一年。我说，不，我是在空中被击中的。我想起来。让我起来。所以我站起来了，而人群不知道该怎么想。我的意思是，当时有这么多人，你可以看出他们很困惑。

他们不知道该怎么想。我想让他们知道我没事。让我把这一点告诉他们，对我来说非常重要。然后他们沸腾了。你。你已经看过后面的情况了。我站起来时，他们没有沸腾，因为他们不知道我是否还活着。在举起手之前，在。你知道，在拳头举向空中之前，当我站起来时，你真的看不出来。他们不知道我是否还活着。没人知道。而当我举起拳头时，他们。

他们只是如释重负、开心又激动，整个现场都疯狂了。那相当惊人。那是一件可怕的事，但它

令人难以置信、难以置信地感人。对，嗯。而且我的意思是，说到那张让你转头、实际上救了你一命的幻灯片，是吧？非法移民幻灯片在哪里？也许值得谈谈那张幻灯片。

那张幻灯片上写着，非法移民救了我的命。你说得对。但我必须正好处在一个精确的角度。

我的意思是，那。那张很棒。

被非法移民所救。你知道，不过。不可思议的是，当你谈到概率时，你必须正好处在那个角度。但。但不可思议的是，那张图表。我不到20%的时候会用它。就只有那一刻。

对。

它总是在我的左边，从来不在右边。而且它总是在演讲结尾。所以这一次它出现了。它在右边，不在左边。它是在开头，不是在结尾。甚至负责把它放出来的人都毫无准备，而他们做得非常出色。幸运的是，他们立刻把它放出来了。但我向右看，子弹呼啸而过，击中了我的耳朵。

所以这太不可思议了。但当你想到这种情况发生的概率时，而且你知道通常你不会使用它。通常我不会有那个东西，那么事情就会变得非常不同。这非常。我。我说这是上帝的作为。这件事能够发生是一个奇迹，我对此深感荣幸。我对此深感荣幸。

嗯，什么。什么，什么。你刚才正要说非法移民的什么事情，结果被粗暴地打断了？

嗯，我正要说那些数字有多好。顺便说一句，我们要回巴特勒，我们将在10月回去。我们都安排好了，而且我们。巴特勒的人非常棒。那是个很大的。那是个很棒的地区。很棒。这些人令人难以置信。就像那3个人，就科里而言，被杀了。还有另外2个人，那些家属。稍微了解了他一些，还有那些家属。但我们要回巴特勒。

而且我想我大概会这样开头，正如我在遭到如此可怕的打断之前所说的那样，但是。

是的。所以被一次暗杀企图粗暴地打断了。

不，但是那张图表。

有些人已经。

没关系，埃隆。那张图表只是一张图表，显示在我任期的最后一周，我们的非法移民数字是最好的，意思是阻止。它处于最低点。你看过那张图表。它已经成了一张相当有名的图表。但那是有记录以来的最低点。那真是一个。我是说，我对那些数字非常自豪。然后你看看这些人，卡玛拉和乔，后来发生了什么。你看看发生了什么。他们就那么放任不管了。

我实行了“留在墨西哥”政策。我实行了所有这些非常好的不同政策。像边境巡逻队的汤姆·霍曼和布兰登·贾德这样的人，所有这些人都是。他们上过电视。他们说这是我们有史以来最好的数字。我们有这么多不同的检查。在墨西哥抓了就放，不是在美国。我们在美国实行了抓了就放。我们在墨西哥实行了。我们做了这么多事情。

我们有这样的措施，如果人们。很多人来到那里，他们患有传染病。我们让一切都通过了。如果你患有传染病，我很抱歉，但我们可以。我们不能允许你进入这个国家。所以我们确实在创造纪录，而我所做的只是展示这一点。而且我。我有时会用它，而在这一次，我很高兴我用了，我可以告诉你。但。但是那些数字非常棒。但我要和那张图表一起睡觉。

永远。我会。我要和那张图表一起睡觉。那张图表曾经。曾经非常重要。出于很多原因，非常重要。

嗯，我是说。我是说，这样说准确吗。这样说准确吗：你支持合法移民，但是。但是我们显然需要阻止非法移民，尤其是未经审查的非法移民，因为你，你知道，这并不等于说每个非法移民都是。事实上，我认为大多数非法移民其实都是好人，但除非对越境者进行了可靠的投注，否则你无法区分。

这准确地代表了你的立场吗？

我说得非常简单。他们必须合法入境。他们必须接受检查。因为，你看，卡玛拉是边境沙皇。现在她否认了。我所做的每一件事，她都说她在边境问题上态度强硬。我们会采取强硬立场。嗯，她不必说，如果她能现在就把它关闭，他们现在就能采取行动。太糟糕了。小费不征税。突然之间，她发表演讲，说小费将不征税。

我几个月前就说过了。顺便说一句，他们做的恰恰相反。你知道，他们不仅对小费征税，还雇用了88,000名国税局特工，其中许多人被指派去找服务员和球童，以及所有这些靠小费的人。他们有一项政策。他们曾有一项政策。他们真的要来对付你，而且我们真的在可怕地骚扰人们。然后突然之间，出于政治目的，她说，你知道，她拿出了我说过的话，我认为这很糟糕。

而且我认为这也在沉重打击他们。这些人是假的。现在他们还说自己在边境做得很好。我们有世界历史上最糟糕的数字，不只是我们国家的历史。历史上从来没有哪个国家遭遇过这样的灾难。我们已经有了，我相信。而且我想你也相信这一点。你知道，你听到的是1,200万、13。我相信有超过2,000万人进入了我们的国家，许多人来自监狱、牢房、精神病院，或者它的更大版本是疯人院，而且许多人是恐怖分子。

而且我告诉你，他们不只是来自南美洲，他们来自非洲，他们来自世界各地，他们来自亚洲，他们来自中东，他们来自那些愚蠢而可怕地轰炸以色列的国家。10月7日。他们来自世界各地。而且你知道，你看看，10月7日太令人悲伤了，因为那本来绝不该发生。当你看到乌克兰时，太令人悲伤了。

那本来绝不该发生。我们有一个有缺陷的政府，这些人是有缺陷的人。而且他们不是应该管理它的人。但你看得最清楚的地方是边境。因为你曾经，你每个月都有数百万人进来，然后她站起来，试图假装自己要做点什么。她有3年半的时间，顺便说一句，他们还有5个月可以做点什么，但他们什么也不会做。

全都是空谈。她无能，他也无能。坦率地说，我认为她比他更无能。而这已经很说明问题了，因为他也不怎么样。

是的，不，我认为拥有安全的边境至关重要。我是说，除非你拥有安全的边境和安全的选举，否则你真的算不上一个国家。

绝对安全的选举。所以，拥有真正的边境至关重要，否则我们就无法作为一个国家运转。而且我们的核心服务在许多城市都不堪重负。而且。不过，就像我们之前谈到的，我认为应该有一套顺畅、高效且执行良好的合法移民流程。我是以一名合法移民的身份这么说的，我认为，我的意思是，可以这样思考：你希望谁加入你的团队？

你希望谁加入美国队？我想我们只想说，好吧，我们，我们希望让那些会，你知道，为我们的社会和经济作出重大贡献的人进来。而且，你知道，你希望谁加入团队？而且这，而且这并不是说，像是，在我看来，实际上我会说，可能大多数非法移民其实确实是善良、勤劳的人。这是我的看法。但有些人不是。

而你就是会遇到这种逆向选择过程，你知道，如果某个人，你知道，如果某个人像是，你知道，以盗窃或抢劫为业，我不明白他们为什么花了这么久才来到这里，因为我们这里是一个目标如此丰富的环境。我的意思是，你知道，他们为什么不来？为什么没有更多以，你知道，坏事为业的人更早来到这里？因为。

但有很多人就是不应该。我认为这个数字比你想的要大得多。他们正在放人进来，再说一遍，他们正在放监狱里的人进来。如果你管理着他们来自的这些国家之一，你就会拥有他们所有人。举个例子，委内瑞拉，他们的犯罪率下降了72%。他们把毒贩送来，坦率地说，他们把囚犯送来。他们正在清空自己的监狱。

他们把自己的罪犯送来。他们是杀人犯，他们是强奸犯，而且他们正在把他们送进。

卡斯特罗就是这么做的。

是的，嗯，他做的规模要小得多。你知道，那是小得多的规模，但这是巨大的规模，因为这正在全世界进行。但现在的情况是这样。全世界的犯罪率都在下降。等着看我们这里的数据吧。你知道，这些。这是移民犯罪。这是将会发生的犯罪。而且我今天在纽约就看到了，有人被刀刺了，他们强奸了一个男人的女友，那个男人就站在那里看着，在纽约的一个收容所里，然后开始拔刀。

今天发生了糟糕的事情，但这种事每天都在发生。这些人很凶狠。这些人因为谋杀和各种事情被关在监狱里，而他们把这些人释放到我们的国家，并对他们说，如果你们回来，我们就杀了你们。我们会判你们死刑，或者杀了你们。所以他们不想回去。但这些人很凶狠。这些罪犯让我们的罪犯看起来都像好人。

他们的所作所为太可怕了。而且这由她负责，因为，你知道，现在她正试图说这件事与她毫无关系。她太会撒谎了，因为她第一天就被称为边境事务主管，这登上了每家报纸的头条。她是边境事务主管。而她甚至从未去过那里。她去了一个地点，那里与问题所在的地方毫无关系。你知道，我猜她进去转了一下就出来了，因为她承受着很大压力，但这与问题毫无关系。

但她是边境事务主管。你们这些人不能让他们靠虚假信息宣传蒙混过关。现在她正试图说自己不是。她并没有真正参与其中，而整件事都很糟糕。她完全负责。她无需他就能关闭边境。反正他也不知道自己在做什么。他甚至都不会知道发生了什么。你可以关闭边境，他甚至都察觉不到区别。

但事实是，她当时是。边境是。但你不必那样称呼她。事实是，你可以就称她为。她负责边境事务，而边境状况是有史以来最糟糕的。

这根本行不通。

不，糟透了。

无论。无论这是出于。无论这是出于，无论这是意图问题还是能力问题。不管怎样，我们都没有安全的边境，而且人们不断涌入，有时看起来就像《僵尸世界大战》里的僵尸末日。你知道，有时你不得不有点怀疑，比如，这到底是不是真的？所以我，你知道，因为你看到一些事情时，会想，这是真的吗？所以我去了伊格尔帕斯的边境，在得克萨斯州亲眼看了看，我当时就想，好吧，这是真的。

我就像是在实时目睹这一切。实际上，我就像是直接实时发布了视频。我只是、我只是有一天飞到那里，就是为了看看，嘿，这、这、这是编造的还是真的？然后我就亲眼看着人们不断越过边境。而且我必须说，你知道，至少我看到的那些人看起来并不友善。你知道，这些人可以看看我的视频，然后说，嘿，你知道，这些人看起来很友善。我看起来不太友善。

所以这些人是。埃隆，如果他不得不走到街对面，直视这些人的眼睛，他就不会还是原来那个人。这些人很粗暴。这些越境而来的人真的很粗暴。我了解粗暴的人。而这些人是我们不希望出现在我们国家的人。而且你知道，大篷车队正在涌入，他们正在放置，而是谁在做这件事？作为这些国家的领导人。而你会这么做，我也会。

每个人都会说，哦，说这种话太糟糕了。事实是，这对他们来说非常高明，因为他们把所有坏人、真正的坏人都送走了。而且我不愿这么说，人数比你想象的多得多，原因是他们还把那些没有生产力的人送走。现在，这些人并不是会杀掉你的人。我们已经有足够多这种人了。但这些人没有生产力。他们就是没有生产力。

我的意思是，无论出于什么原因，他们不是劳动者，或者他们不想工作，或者随便什么原因。而这些国家正在摆脱没有生产力的人。在很多情况下，是通过大篷车队。他们也在摆脱本国的杀人犯、毒贩和那些真正残暴的人，而他们正在以前所未见的规模进入我们的国家。我看到了一则广告。就在我上广告之前，我。

我正往这边走，然后看到卡玛拉的一则广告，说她将如何保障边境安全。这3年半她去哪儿了？整整3年半？

是的。不，不，这就只是2000万人。

这是个糟糕的。

是的。我认为这。坦率地说，我认为这对美国而言是一个根本性的生死存亡问题。如果我们再经历4年开放边境的日子，情况会更加糟糕。再过4年，情况会比过去3年半更加糟糕。我不确定我们到时还有没有一个国家。

到时就没有国家了，埃隆。如果他们当选，你将面对来自世界各地的5000万至6000万人。不只是南美洲。你知道，我们想到南美洲，就会想到洪都拉斯、萨尔瓦多、危地马拉和墨西哥，你知道，这4个。但并不是这样。是所有地方。他们从所有地方涌入。而我不得不待在墨西哥。

这是一个。这是极其重要的一点。比如，人们。这就像。嗯，基本上，我去那里时，我就想，嗯，这些人来自哪里？这就像。这就像几乎没有人来自墨西哥。

没有墨西哥人。

那只是边境。那只是与墨西哥接壤的边境。但那些进来的人，是。这是。这是地球，是地球上的其他地方。而美国只占，你知道，大约4、4或5%的地球人口。地球其余人口只需有百分之几涌入，就足以压垮一切。

我们已经不堪重负了，埃隆。我们不堪重负。你今晚真该看看有关纽约的新闻。纽约。我爱那个地方。而他们对那里所做的事情太可怕了，他们对那里所做的事情。所有法院做的事情就是试图把注意力集中在特朗普身上。好吧，让我们关注特朗普吧，他什么错事都没做。我抱怨我们那场被操纵的选举，埃隆。发生的事情令人难以置信。有人来自非洲，来自刚果。

他们来自刚果。最近有22个人从刚果进来，他们是杀人犯。而他们被扔下。他们把这些人扔过来。他们把这些人从监狱里放出来，你知道，维持监狱运转非常昂贵，尽管我可以告诉你，他们也没怎么维护。但他们把这些人从牢房和监狱里放出来，把他们带到美国。他们把这些人扔在美国，然后说，永远不要回来，否则你们会被处决。

而他们不想回来，他们也不会回来。但他们来自非洲，来自亚洲，来自中东，来自南美洲。他们基本上来自，而且其中有很多非常坏的人。

这就是一件发生在地球各地的事。而美国根本不可能接纳，你知道，地球上的所有人，或者，你知道，哪怕只是地球其余人口的百分之几也根本不可能。

嗯，我们必须解决这件事。我们将进行这个国家历史上规模最大的驱逐行动，我们别无选择，否则我们的国家就会，他们对我们的国家做了什么。想想看，在委内瑞拉和其他一些国家，犯罪率下降了50%、60%、70%、80%。而你也会一样。你会有，你会。是的。我告诉你，委内瑞拉还没有把他们全都清除掉。

他们已经清除了大约70%的真正坏人。他们监狱里大约50%的人被送进了美国。其他国家也一样。有些是30%，有些是50%。各不相同。但归根结底，它们都会达到100%。为什么不送走100%呢？是的，而他们现在就在这么做，趁着有这个三流的虚假候选人。别忘了，我击败了，我击败了拜登。他在辩论中的表现惨不忍睹。

而且你知道，有些人说，哦，天哪，太遗憾了，太遗憾了，他表现得那么糟糕，或者我在辩论中表现得很好。你知道，第一晚他们说，哇，CNN有个人说，那是我见过的最精彩的辩论表现。然后两天后，他们就不谈这个了。他们只说他表现很差。但没关系。他们就是这样对待我的，而我一点也不介意。我能告诉你的是这个。

我们不能让民主党人上台。我们不能让她上台。她无能。她和拜登一样糟糕，只是以一种不同的，她自从这整场骗局开始以来就没有接受过采访。而且。随你怎么说。这是一场政变。这是一场针对美国总统的政变。他不想离开。而他们说，我们可以用温和的方式解决，也可以用强硬的方式解决。是的。

我的意思是，他们直接把他带到棚屋后面，基本上把他枪毙了。

哦，他们对这个人所做的事，而我并不喜欢他，他是个糟糕的总统，是历史上最糟糕的总统。他如此糟糕的原因之一，首先，以色列的袭击永远不会发生。俄罗斯永远不会袭击乌克兰，我们不会有通货膨胀，也不会有阿富汗那场混乱，如果你想想的话，而且我们不会有阿富汗。但我们想想看，只要去掉其中几件事，我们面对的就是一个不同的世界。

我们也会有。没有通货膨胀是由石油造成的。

是的。我认为你在这里提出了一个非常好的观点，那就是，当其他国家考虑入侵或做坏事时，当他们考虑这些事情时，他们会想，好吧，美国总统会怎么做？他们是否害怕美国总统，还是那是一个他们既不尊重也不害怕的人？而我认为他们确实。他们理应会。我是说，你知道，看看那个。那段暗杀影像。

他们会想，好吧，你知道，特朗普总统就像是，别惹我。我的意思是，那就像。而我认为人们不会。显然，他们根本没有被拜登吓住，他们当然也不会被卡玛拉吓住。你真的必须从全球安全的角度考虑，那就是。那就是，如果，如果美国总统是一个、一个让，比如说，你知道，邪恶独裁者感到害怕的人，那会对世界安全产生巨大影响。

所以，我和普京关系很好，尽管那场持续了2年多的“俄罗斯、俄罗斯、俄罗斯”骗局。那只是希拉里·克林顿和亚当·希夫蒂。希夫制造的一场骗局。一些就是很坏的人，你知道，坦率地说，就是有病的人。我的意思是，希夫是个有病的人。他最后很可能会当上参议员。真让人难以相信。整件事都让人难以相信。但是，你知道，他们也用那些东西把我们的国家置于危险之中。

他们实际上，当他们编造故事，而你不得不花很长时间奋力摆脱它。但我非常了解普京。我和他相处得非常好。他尊重我，而这就是那种事情。他会。我们会经常谈论乌克兰。那是他的掌上明珠。但我说，永远别这么做。永远别这么做。你知道，我也关停了北溪。那是那条大型石油管道，我想是世界上最大的管道，遍布整个欧洲。

我把它关停了。拜登上台了，然后他们说，你知道，我当时。我爱俄罗斯。我是普京的朋友，而且我爱俄罗斯。其实，他有一次对我说，他说，如果你是我的朋友，我真不敢想象你作为敌人会是什么样。我关停了他的管道，那条最大的管道。他们当时在看那个基金，还有这个。这个可悲的总统上台后，他做的第一件事，也就是他早期做的事情之一，就是把它关停了。

他。他关停了 Keystone XL 管道，也就是我们那条本可以雇用 48,000 人、雇用管道工人的管道，把它关停了。那是，你知道，一个奥巴马拒绝批准的大型项目。我上任第一周就批准了它，因为它能带来就业，而且它能输送石油。顺便说一句，它还是以一种环保得多的方式输送，因为它在地下。它不是会起火的卡车，也不是会起火的火车。但想想看。

他关停了 XL 管道，Keystone XL 管道。他把那条管道关停了，却批准了俄罗斯的管道。

对，这完全说不通。这就像。这是不一致的，当然，那个。但我的意思是，我认为还是值得向，你知道，向听众强调，那个。美国总统是否有威慑力、有没有威慑力，以及这对全球安全有多么重要。因为外面确实有一些非常强硬的人物，如果他们认为美国总统不强硬，他们就会为所欲为。

他们每个人我都认识，而这使得那个。那个。

这让整个世界陷入危险。埃隆。他们每个人我都认识，而且我很了解他。我认识普京，我认识习主席。我认识朝鲜的金正恩。他们每个人我都认识。让我告诉你，人们会说，哦，这太糟糕了。他说，我不是在说任何好话或坏话。他们都处于巅峰状态。他们强硬、聪明、凶狠，而且他们会保护自己的国家。至于他们是否热爱自己的国家，他们大概是爱的。

只不过是另一种形式的爱。但他们会保护自己的国家。但这些人都很强硬，处于巅峰状态。而当他们看到卡玛拉，或者看到拜登、瞌睡乔时，他们简直无法相信。他们无法相信这种事竟然发生了。你们现在看到的所有这些事情，所有那些恐怖的事情，你看看以色列，他们都在等待伊朗的袭击。相信我，伊朗本来不会发动袭击。

你知道，我在任的时候，而且我是带着尊重说这话的，因为我认为我们本来可以和伊朗相处得很好。我不想对伊朗做任何坏事，但他们知道不能胡来。伊朗破产了。因为我告诉中国，如果你们从伊朗购买石油，一切都关乎石油。钱就在那里。但如果你们从伊朗购买石油，你们就别想和美国做任何生意。我是认真的。而他们说，我们不买了。

他们没有购买石油。其他国家也一样。你想买。那你就别和美国做生意。当时他们已经到了没有钱给哈马斯、没有钱给真主党、没有钱给任何这些恐怖工具的地步。而这令人惊叹。事实上，在我即将离任时还有一些文章，这其实很难相信，尤其是当你看看我们国家发生了什么的时候。

我们的国家现在太糟糕了。它变成了一个如此不同的地方。我们曾经受到尊重。想想看，4 年前，我们受到如此尊重，以至于当我说不要购买石油时，他们就没有购买石油，但他们没有钱，而以色列绝不会遭到袭击。可能性为零。而且，我再次对弗拉基米尔·普京说，我说，别这么做。你不能这么做，弗拉基米尔。你要是这么做。那将会是糟糕的一天。你不能这么做。而我告诉了他一些。

我做的事。而他说，不可能。我说，就是可能。而且，你知道，这是我们最后一次有这样的对话。他会。他绝不会那么做。我和他相处得很好。我希望能再次和他们相处融洽。你知道，和他们相处融洽是件好事，不是坏事。我和金正恩相处得很好。就在我上任之前，我与奥巴马总统见了面，你知道，这算是一种惯例。然后我和他坐下来交谈。

原本应该只谈很短一段时间。结果谈了很长时间。我问，最大的问题是什么？他说，朝鲜。我很快就解决了那个问题。一开始很难看，什么火箭人之类的，你知道，各种各样的事，但突然间我就。

顺便说一句，那些推文真是史诗级的。

是的，那些是。不，那些堪称史诗。他说的每一件事。他说他的办公桌上有一个红色按钮。我说，我的办公桌上也有一个红色按钮，但我的红色按钮大得多，而且我的红色按钮管用。然后我把他叫作小火箭人的小火箭人。总之，关键是，突然间我接到了他的电话，他们说他们想见面，他们想见我。然后我们见了，你还记得，我们在新加坡见了面。

我们也在越南见了面。我和他相处得非常好。我们没有任何危险。但奥巴马总统，奥巴马总统觉得我们最终会和他开战，打一场核战争。而且我告诉你，他也有很多核武器之类的东西。他有大量核武器，他能造成大量破坏。

所以是的，我的意思是，这是因为，你知道，我是说，像，像，你知道，金正恩这样的人，他们对强硬而不是软弱作出回应。嗯，

如果我关系很好，你知道，记得，我记得我见到他，然后，然后我们走到了他的土地上。在我走上去之前，从来没有人走上过他的土地。我不会说——咱们再提一下特勤局——我不会说我那么做时他们很兴奋。我走上了他的土地，那是，那是一段令人惊叹的时期。但有我在，我们面对他没有危险。你知道，我总是说，我们外部有敌人，内部也有敌人。

我们的政府里有一些非常坏的人，还有那些正在，以及控制人民的人。我的意思是，我提过名字，但我不，我真的不想把这份功劳给他们，但我们有一些非常坏的。而且我说他们比俄罗斯和中国更危险。如果你有一个聪明的总统，一个懂行的总统，我们不会受到那些国家的威胁，因为他们需要我们，也需要我们的帮助。我的意思是，如果你想想看，我们迫使奥巴马，奥巴马和拜登以及布什，公平地说，在某种程度上，迫使俄罗斯和中国走到了一起。

如果你是学历史的，你学到的第一件事就是不能让俄罗斯和中国结盟。但后来他们也得到了，如果你看一看，伊朗，而且他们还有朝鲜。那就是，你知道，他们称之为邪恶通道。过去你有邪恶通道。现在我们有一个现代的邪恶通道。这些都是强大的国家，核力量非常重，这是最大的威胁。你知道，最大的威胁不是全球变暖，不是海洋会在未来400年里上涨1，1/8英寸。

大的。而且你会拥有更多，你会拥有更多海滨地产。对吧。最大的威胁不是那个，最大的威胁是核变暖，因为我们现在有5个拥有显著核力量的国家。我们必须不让拜登这样的蠢人搞出任何事情。你知道，拜登对俄罗斯做了些什么。他根本不可能进去。而我离任时，然后，然后在我离任之后，他们开始在那里集结大批军队，在与乌克兰接壤的边境上，对吧？

我看着那件事，当时我以为他那么做是因为普京是个优秀的谈判者。我以为他那么做是为了谈判。但后来拜登开始说一些如此愚蠢的话。例如，他说它可以成为一个北约国家。现在，普京、俄罗斯，从北约存在以来就一直说，我们绝不会同意那件事。而我们却直接公开那样说。通过这位低智商、智商非常低的总统，我们做了一些事，也说了一些话。

顺便说一句，他30年前智商就很低，但现在他甚至可能根本没有智商。没有。榜上没有任何东西低到那个程度。他说了一些如此愚蠢的话，那场战争本来会。要是我在那里，那场战争发生的可能性为零。可能性为零。他说的一切都是反着来的。一切，全都反着来。这太令人难过了，因为在乌克兰丧生的人比你读到的多得多。

你读不到那里有多么血腥、多么荒芜。嘿，你看，光是两支军队，你就损失了50万人。乌克兰正处境艰难。乌克兰，我不知道你最近有没有看到那篇文章。而且那是真的，你听不到真实的故事。但如果你想想看，俄罗斯已经完了。你知道，俄罗斯和我们一起击败了德国，他们还击败了拿破仑。你知道，他们存在很长时间了。他们是一支庞大的战斗力量，这非常不公平。

而乌克兰现在没有足够的男人。他们现在正让年轻男子和非常年老的男子参战。我们的处境非常糟糕。而且我不会完全归咎于谁，但我可以告诉你，我本可以阻止那件事。一个聪明的总统本可以阻止那件事。它不会发生。但我们有。我们有一个实际上让。让它变得更加普遍的人。太糟糕了，他使用的那些措辞，那张愚蠢的脸发出的愚蠢威胁。

我说，这家伙会让我们卷入一场战争。他会让我们。而且我告诉你，它可能导致第三次世界大战。那可能导致第三次世界大战。中东可能导致。我们现在有许多地方可能毫无缘由地最终引发第三次世界大战。

我认为你说得对。我认为人们低估了第三次世界大战的风险。而且只要看看全球热核战争的风险，人类就彻底完了。而这是人们已经。我认为冷战结束之后，人们已经对此变得自满，但他们实际上忘记了，目前有许多核导弹设有针对美国、其他国家的瞄准参数。

我们要做的事情之一，就是在我们上空建造一个“铁穹”。你知道，以色列有。我们将拥有世界上最好的“铁穹”。我们需要它，而且我们会全部在美国制造。但我们会有。我们会得到保护，因为只需要一个疯子，你知道，就能挑起某些事情。我们会得到保护，而且我们会有。我们为什么不应该拥有“铁穹”？

以色列有一个。坦率地说，其他一些地方也有一个，只是根本没人知道。但以色列有。我们将拥有一个“铁穹”。但是，你知道，话虽如此，对我来说，那非常重要。最重要。但话虽如此，选举就要到了，人们想听的是经济，以及他们买不起食品杂货这一事实，因为他们没有足够的钱购买食品杂货。

通货膨胀害惨了他们。食品价格上涨了50%、60%，在某些情况下甚至上涨了100%。而这个愚蠢的政府任由这种事情发生。这是一种耻辱。你。而在我看来，这才是人们最关心的事情。他们非常关心边境。我们也非常详尽地讨论了边境问题。能有这样一个论坛，让我可以详细讨论某件事，挺好的。顺便问一句，你觉得拜登能接受这样的采访吗？

你觉得卡玛拉能接受这次采访吗？他们会选择放弃。

不，他们做不到。

所以他们不需要埃隆。他们不需要埃隆大声喊出问题。你想想就会觉得相当可悲，一个以此为业的人竟然无法回答问题，或者害怕接受采访。而她的情况是，采访非常友好，她面对的全都是友好的采访者。这相当。

是的。

但现在的大事是经济，埃隆。而且尽管。是的，我是说，我认为核问题是最重要的一件事，但很多人不这么认为。很多人不明白这一点。但不需要。如果我明白这一点，那就够了。因为如果我是总统，你就不会遇到那种问题。但真正让他们愤怒的事情，是卡玛拉和拜登任由经济变成了现在这样。

通货膨胀是一场灾难，通货膨胀，不管你赚多少钱。通货膨胀都把你生吞活剥了。如果你是工人，或者只是一个中等收入者，你负担不起。你知道，4年前、5年前，人们还会存很多钱。如今，他们花光所有的钱，还要借钱才能生活。正在发生的事情太可怕了，我们会迅速结束这种局面。

嗯，我认为很多，是的，很多人就是不明白通货膨胀从何而来。通货膨胀源于政府过度支出，因为政府开出的支票永远不会跳票。所以，如果政府的支出远远超过其收入，就会增加货币供应量。而如果货币供应量的增长速度超过商品和服务的增长速度，那就是通货膨胀。所以，所以我们确实需要，我们需要削减政府支出，而且我们需要重新审视，我认为，我认为我们需要一个类似政府效率委员会的机构，来问，比如，嘿，我们把钱花在哪里是合理的。

花在哪里不合理？而且，而且我们需要量入为出。目前，我想，我们大约每100天就会让赤字增加1万亿美元。而且你知道，现在国债的利息支出已经超过了国防预算。规模大约是1万亿美元。这是利息，而且它，而且它还在不断、不断增长。

我重建了我们的军队，基本上重建了我们的军队，做得非常出色，这太重要了。你知道，我们有些喷气式飞机，有些战斗机，还有轰炸机，已经有70年机龄了。我们在这方面做得非常出色。然后，顺便说一句，然后我们又把其中的850亿送回给了阿富汗，你能相信吗。我们给了他们850亿。你知道，他们是世界上最大的军事装备卖家之一。

他们在出售我们给他们的东西。那是我国历史上最令人难堪的日子之一。但如果你想一想，让我们回到，回到经济上来，我们必须降低能源价格。能源始于汽油的价格。现在你的汽车不需要太多汽油。所以你知道，你，你有个不错的。而且我不得不说，你确实制造了很棒的产品，我必须对你说实话。这并不意味着每个人都应该拥有一辆电动汽车。

但这些都是次要细节。不过你的产品令人难以置信。但汽油，埃隆，涉及的是能源成本，不仅仅是汽油。你家的取暖和制冷成本必须降下来。它已经上涨了100%、150和200%。而这必须降下来。当它降下来时，我们会钻探，宝贝，钻探。他们停止了钻探，然后又恢复钻探，因为他们又回到了特朗普的政策。

但如果他们赢了，他们上任后的第2天，我们就会。这个国家会倒闭，因为他们会转向一种不可持续的能源政策。风能和各种东西。你将一无所有。而且我知道你非常喜欢AI，我不得不说，AI，这让我震惊，但我需要的能源是这个国家目前为所有事情生产的能源的2倍。所以你将不得不建设。

如果我们的国家要在空中这件事上与中国竞争，我们就必须建设大量能源，因为中国是我们的主要竞争对手。你需要大量电力。你将需要巨量的电力，几乎是我们目前为整个国家生产的电力的2倍，你能相信吗。当然。

嗯，回到这一点，就是这个基本问题，人们试图让它听起来很复杂，但其实并不复杂。但通货膨胀是政府过度支出造成的。

你是否同意，我们需要审视政府支出，也许成立一个政府效率委员会，专门设法让支出变得合理，让国家量入为出，就像。就像一个人一样。

浪费令人难以置信。而且它。没有人谈价格。以前有很多人制造喷气式飞机，最后只剩下2家公司，而且它们可能会在某个时候尝试合并。我是说，我经历过，就比如空军，就比如空军一号。最早要求我签署的文件之一，一场将军拍卖。先生，请您签署这份文件好吗？这是什么？空军一号。那是和波音签的，基本上是2架747飞机，2架飞机的价格是57亿美元。

当然，它们高度复杂。它们甚至比你的计划还要好。好吧。但复杂得多。它们非常。我不会说上面有什么，但不管怎样，上面装了很多东西。但它是5.7。

听着，那是个疯狂的数字。

这是个疯狂的数字。但我说，我不会付5.7，我不会这么做。我说，这笔交易是谁谈的？奥巴马和他的人。我说，好吧，那我就知道这笔交易不划算。我不会这么做。在大约4周的时间里，就因为我说我不会这么做，我让完全相同的飞机降价了16亿美元。除了我们的涂装更漂亮，如果你想知道真相的话。但对于我得到的完全相同的飞机，我省了1个。

我对波音说，伙计，如果你们能把价格降这么多，那你们一定赚了很多钱。但现在我听说，他们又回去找拜登政府，要求支付巨额的成本超支，你知道，因为他们看到那里有这些愚蠢的冤大头，最后他们会拿回一部分钱。但对于完全相同的计划，我省下了16亿美元。而现在你可以拿这个乘以其他数千个项目，再乘以那些数字，结果是天文数字。

我同意你的看法。

嗯，我是说，如果，所以，所以，我是说，我是说，我认为成立一个政府效率委员会会很棒，由它审视这些事情，并确保纳税人的钱，纳税人辛苦挣来的钱得到妥善使用。

而且我很乐意在这样的委员会里帮忙。如果它能成立，我会非常高兴。

嗯，你是最厉害的裁员高手。我是说，我看着你的做法，你走进去，直接说你们想辞职吗？他们罢工。我不会提那家公司的名字，但他们罢工，而你说，没关系，你们全都走人。你们全都走人。所以你们每个人都走人。而你是最厉害的。你会做得非常好。哦，你会喜欢的。但你知道，如果你看看阿根，嗯，我会很乐意。是的。顺便说一句，恭喜。

我刚刚看了一下正在听你和我聊天的人数，我们就称它为聊天吧。但恭喜。这非常，我是说，这太棒了，它。而且，而且你是个有趣的人物。你知道，一个叫阿根廷的地方的新领导人。而且他曾经，他是个非常，你知道，他很棒。而且他是MAGA的狂热支持者，你知道他以MAGA为竞选主张，而且他还把它推到了极致。他以MAGA为竞选主张，而且我听说他确实干得非常出色。

这叫“让阿根廷再次伟大”。效果非常完美。他来了，他买了很多帽子带过去，但他。他正在干一番大事业。他真的削减了。我听说他们开始做得相当不错了。通胀正在下降。你知道，他们当时大概有2000%。他们的通胀就像，就像不是普通的通胀。他们面对的是真家伙。但我们很快也会遇到那种情况。我们有。我认为我们正经历100年来最严重的通胀。

他们说是48年来。我不相信。我认为我们经历的是最严重的。他们没有把很多本应计入的项目算进去，你知道。

是的，嗯，这只是源于。源于政府过度支出，而且不只是不有效地使用纳税人的钱，还有那么多部门，你甚至都叫不出它们的名字。米莱正在做的是削减政府支出、简化事务，并制定合理的法规。

阿根廷的繁荣程度一夜之间正出现巨大改善。但这对美国也是一个教训，那就是阿根廷曾经是世界上最繁荣的国家之一，你知道，在。20世纪30年代、40年代，而糟糕的政府政策毁掉了这个国家。再以委内瑞拉为例。委内瑞拉本应极其繁荣。他们拥有，你知道，各种资源的惊人储量，石油，所有东西。

而且它本应繁荣。但如果政府错了，就会让人民陷入贫困。

而且。

因此，我认为美国不应自满，以为可以把我们的繁荣视为理所当然。因为如果政府政策糟糕，我们可以把这个国家搞垮。这正是人们应该牢记的事情。不要把繁荣视为理所当然。

嗯，想想教育。我们在每一份前40名榜单上都排在末尾。我们排第40、第38。挪威、瑞士、瑞典。不同国家排名很好。实际上，中国相当接近榜首。他们排在前6或7名，但我们排在末尾，几乎垫底。第38、39、40。换句话说，糟透了。然而，我们在每名学生身上的支出比世界上任何其他国家都多。所以我们花得更多。

而我要做的，是首批行动之一，这就是我需要一个埃隆·马斯克的地方。我需要一个非常有力量、有勇气、有头脑的人。我想关闭教育部，把教育交还给各州，比如爱荷华州，比如爱达荷州，你知道，并不是每个州都会做得很好，因为那些基本上做得不好的州。现在你看看加利福尼亚州州长加文·纽斯科姆，他糟透了。

他干得非常糟糕。所以他在教育方面不会做得很好。但在50个州中，我敢打赌会有35个州做得很好。其中15个，或者你知道，20个州会和挪威一样好。你知道，挪威被认为很出色。你可以把它们列出来。我的意思是，就是，它们太好了。其中一些国家太好了。但是，如果，如果你去一些治理得确实很好的州，你知道，我们有些州不知道债务是什么。

我们有些州，它们，税率低、没有债务、人人都工作。你知道，它们治理得确实很好，而且也许它们在地理位置方面、在，你知道，土地或阳光方面拥有某些优势。阳光、水以及所有这一切。你知道，有些人拥有很多优势。但如果你把教育交还给50个州，会有一些州做不好，但你会有。但它们实际上会被迫做得更好，因为那将是一个相当糟糕的局面。

但你想想看，是的，有些州会这样。我敢说会有30、35个州。那会好得多。而且你知道吗，成本会不到华盛顿那套的一半。而这些人并不关心那些，你知道，遥远州里的学生。那会是，会令人难以置信。

是的，我觉得你说得很有道理：如果各州必须、必须，如果每一个，如果每个州都必须与其他州竞争，那么人们自然会搬到情况更好的州。

嗯，比如加利福尼亚州。你知道，正如我们说过的，那是一个治理不善的州。我可以逐一说下去。我有很多朋友在那些州，即使他们是民主党人。我不愿点名某些州，但伊利诺伊州在普里茨克治下治理得很糟。他是个，他真是个失败者。但是，但是你知道，有些地方就是治理得很糟。不过你知道，这几乎会迫使他们改善治理，他们一开始不会做得好，但是，但是不会比现在做得更差。

而且我要说，成本方面，你会把成本削减50%或60%，还会有一个小型监督机制，你知道，比如你得确保他们在教英语。你知道，给我们教一点英语。对，当然。对。

不，不，我是说，我是说，我是说，有些州长，怎么说呢，干得太差了。我是说，有那么多人正搬离他们的州。他们应该，他们应该获得年度 U-Haul 销售员奖，因为他们让那么多 U-Haul 跑了起来。人们，人们纷纷搬走，这确实令人惊讶。

作为一名商人，像伊利诺伊州那样的地方居然还能维持下去，你不觉得惊讶吗？那么多人正在离开，你会纳闷它们是怎么维持下去的？我的意思是，它们是怎么维持下去的？

我看到你离开了加利福尼亚州，搬到了得克萨斯州。得克萨斯州做得很好。但你知道，我是说，我只是想知道，当大企业离开时，这些州要怎么维持下去，一家大型石油公司刚刚离开加利福尼亚州，正如你所知道的，他们搬到了得克萨斯州。这些大州失去这么多企业，而它们的税本来就非常高，它们要怎么维持下去？你知道，那里的税属于最高之列。你几乎会想知道，它们怎么，它们怎么继续维持下去？

而且在很多情况下，州长在那些犯罪猖獗的地方干得并不好。你会想知道，他们怎么就这样继续下去？这，这不是，这不是一个好局面。

我是说，我认为唯一能迫使其中一些州改变的事情，就是它们面临破产风险，而且联邦政府不出手纾困。

对吧？嗯，那是唯一会

让它们改变的事情。

你还记得加利福尼亚州的那个地区吗，那里发生了那件事，我猜有人手脚不干净，偷了很多钱，他们进入了某种章节程序，有一段时间情况非常糟糕，但现在那里可能是整个加利福尼亚州最受欢迎的地方。所以。所以，你知道，到某个时候，类似的事情可能不得不发生。但问题是，当你有普里茨克这样无能的人时，你不能惩罚那些借钱给州政府的人。

听着，家里人不想让他进入家族企业，结果他最后当上了伊利诺伊州州长。所以你知道，他能成为什么样的人？他会成为一名出色的州长吗？而且你知道，有这些人，我可以把他们每一个都点出来。我认识这些人中的每一个，其中一些非常好，另一些则糟透了。

嗯，我认为，我是说，这里还有一个更宏观的要点，正如你所说，就是，你知道，很多人担心经济，很多人担心通货膨胀。而通货膨胀实际上是对存钱者征收的一种税。对于那些日复一日工作的人来说，它就是一种税收形式。如果我们能解决政府支出问题，就能解决通货膨胀问题，这意味着人们会拥有更好的生活水平。

而这是一件非常重大的事。

受伤害最严重的，是那些按照自己在年少时期、年轻时乃至一生中所受教导去做的人。那些存钱的人，后来他们的钱得不到任何利息，而通货膨胀摧毁了他们。坦率地说，如果他们没做过任何这样的事，境况几乎反而会更好。我是说，那些人确实遭到了毁灭性打击。我们会让那些人恢复过来，帮助那些人。

我们必须把价格降下来。你知道，当我看到培根的价格是几年前的5倍、4倍或5倍时，当你看看杂货店里的一些食品时，人们去了以后简直不敢相信。他们过去能买满整整一购物车。而如今，你知道，很多人就是没钱。他们走进去，看着那些东西，却什么都买不起。是的，这是价格冲击。他们称之为价格冲击。

对。

我觉得这其实就归结为，就像我说的，我想这实际上就归结为，应该说，确实是两件事，也就是，如果你解决政府过度支出问题，就解决了通货膨胀问题，从而改善普通人的生活水平。然后，如果你放松监管，比如，实行合理的监管，那么。因为很多监管毫无道理，无缘无故地导致成本极其高昂。而且。但是，除非你能有效放松监管，比如里根在80年代的放松监管方面做得非常出色，但40年来我们一直没有真正有过任何人。

我是说，在你的政府任期内，我们取得了一些进展，但我认为有机会通过合理的监管取得，我认为，彻底的进展，而且。嗯，埃隆，就是那两件事。是的，那些是大事。

我们创下了纪录。我们创下了一个。我们在放松监管以及对所有不同企业施加更多限制方面，比任何其他总统做得都多。我记得我有一条规定，每出台1项规定，就必须废除10项或12项。我们对所有这些都进行了彻底削减。而其中很多正被本届政府重新加回来。我们进行了彻底削减，削减了那些不必要的东西，但我们当时已经一切就绪。你知道，我们拥有有史以来最好的经济，或许是全世界最好的。

然后发生的事情是，新冠疫情来了，我们不得不专注于它，没人知道那是什么。我总是说，我在经济方面得分不错，在军事方面得分不错。我们消灭了 ISIS。我们做了很多不同的事情。我们重建了。但你知道，对于我们在新冠疫情方面所做的事，我从未得到我们真正应得的认可，我们从未得到认可，但我们当时。如果那件事没有发生，一份来自中国、来自武汉的礼物，从武汉、从武汉实验室传了过来。

而且我一直都这么说，事实证明我是对的。但如果那件事没有、没有发生，我们当时已经准备开始削减债务，我们还要进一步减税。我实施了规模最大的减税，而且我们原本还要进一步为中等收入人群减税，不只是企业，但我们确实为企业减了税，因为它们才是，就业数据之所以那么出色就是因为这个。但我们当时已经准备真正开始削减债务。

而且你知道，我们坐拥世界上最大的一堆液体黄金。比沙特阿拉伯还多，比俄罗斯还多。我们本来要钻探，并赚取巨额财富。我们本来要向欧洲供应石油。我叫停了俄罗斯的管道，而我们本来要向他们供应石油和天然气。我们本来、我们本来要大赚一笔。然后新冠疫情来了，我们确实不得不转变方向。

然后发生的情况是，他们上台时，你知道，我们维持了许多企业的生存。如果我没有采取我们当时采取的措施，我们就会经历一场1929年式的大萧条。但问题在于，拜登上台后，他拿到了数万亿美元，却就这么愚蠢地开始花钱，当时已经不需要那些钱了。你知道，我们已经熬过了那段糟糕时期，当时所有人都在死去，你知道，那、那实在不是一段好时期。有意思的是，你知道，在他执政期间，死于新冠的人比我执政期间多得多。

而我们确实承受了最猛烈的冲击。但人们没有意识到，在他执政期间死亡的人比在我们执政期间更多。但这让我们偏离了我原本想做的事。不过我们拥有最伟大的，在，你知道，差不多3年里，我们拥有伟大的。而且你可能比任何人都清楚这一点。你的许多朋友对我说，他们经商以来最好的岁月是在特朗普执政时期，还说非裔美国人、西班牙裔美国人是如此不可思议。

他们正经历最好的亚裔美国人、女性、男性、没有文凭的年轻人、从最好的大学毕业的年轻人，从、从麻省理工学院、从沃顿商学院、从所有顶尖大学、哈佛毕业的人，他们的境况更好了，没有文凭的人境况也更好了，所有人都很开心。然后新冠疫情来了，而我们曾经。问题是，他们花掉了数万亿又数万亿美元，他们浪费了这些钱。

他们一分钱都不该拿，这样我们现在就不会出现正在扼杀我们国家的通货膨胀。

是的，是的，是的，完全正确。我的意思是，我或许应该谈谈，比如，你知道，也许是我对，你知道，气候变化以及石油和天然气的看法，因为我认为我的看法可能不同于大多数人的猜想，因为我实际上认为，我在这方面的观点相当温和，那就是，我不认为我们应该妖魔化石油和天然气行业，也不应该妖魔化那些在这些行业辛勤工作、提供支撑经济所需能源的人。

如果我们现在停止使用石油和天然气，我们所有人都会挨饿，经济也会崩溃。所以，你知道，我认为以某种方式妖魔化石油和天然气行业是不对的。而且我，你知道，世界对石油和天然气有一定的需求，由美国而不是其他一些国家来供应可能更好，这将有助于美国实现繁荣；与此同时，显然，我的观点是，我们确实希望随着时间推移转向可持续能源经济，因为最终你确实会耗尽。

我的意思是，石油和天然气会耗尽。它不是一直存在的。它不是无限的。而且存在。存在一些风险。我认为它没有。就全球变暖而言，风险并没有，你知道，许多人所说的那么、那么高。但我认为，如果你让大气中的百万分比浓度持续增长足够长的时间，最终实际上连呼吸都会变得不舒服。人们没有意识到这一点。如果二氧化碳浓度超过1000 ppm，你就会开始头痛和恶心。

所以我们现在处于大约400的范围。我想，我们每年大约增加约2 ppm。所以，我的意思是，这仍然给我们。所以这意味着，比如，我们仍然有相当多的时间，但是。但是。所以并不存在。比如，我们不需要仓促行事，也不需要，比如，你知道，阻止农民耕作，或者，你知道，阻止人们吃牛排或诸如此类的基本东西。比如，比如别去管农民。

我同意。

这有多疯狂？我的意思是，居然有农民不再获准耕作，还必须处理掉他们的牛，整个、整个世界都有点疯狂，但它在很大程度上是以美国为榜样。不过，我确实要说，我听说就化石燃料而言，因为即使是制造你的电动汽车，以及产生电动汽车所需的电力，你知道，在发电厂真正产生这些电力的也是化石燃料。

而且你知道，所以此刻你算是无法摆脱它。我的意思是，也许有一天你能做到。但我确实听说，我们还剩100到500年。你知道，其中许多甚至还没有被发现。是的，但还有巨大的，比如 ANWR。我让阿拉斯加的 ANWR 获得了批准。罗纳德·里根做不到。没人能做到。所有人都试过。没人能做到。我让它获得了批准。拜登所做的第一件事就是撤销对它的批准，把它废掉。

他终止了它。他的、他的部长一上任就终止了它，这真是、真是耻辱。那是安瓦尔。那更大。或者他们、他们认为，阿拉斯加的它可能比沙特阿拉伯还大，可能比沙特阿拉伯还大。但他们一上台就终止了它。而我会很快让它重新启动，因为它不仅对阿拉斯加意义重大，我的意思是，说到美国的经济发展，我的意思是，那、那可是，据说比沙特阿拉伯还大，或者规模相同，而且是纯正的、真正的好东西。

而且你知道，他们终止了它。所以我认为我们还剩，你知道，也许数百年。没人真正知道。但在那期间，在那段时间里会转变过来。那会非常好。

是的，嗯，我的意思是，我的估计会比那个更激进一点。但并不是那种，比如，我们所有人都会在5年内死去之类的说法。那显然是胡扯。但我的意思是，我的观点是，如果你只是看看每年增加的百万分比浓度，你知道，每年二氧化碳浓度大约会增加2或3 ppm。

我的意思是，我认为其中一些，如果它加速了，如果你开始从2或3上升到比如5，就会有问题。然后可能会出现一些二氧化碳浓度阶跃式上升的情况。我认为我们不希望太接近1000 ppm，因为那实际上会让呼吸变得不舒服。比如，仅仅待在二氧化碳浓度为1000 ppm的环境里就不舒服。那被视为一种工业危害。就是这样，所以，这是，你知道，那实际上仍会让人头痛之类的。

所以它是。即使没有全球变暖，住在那里也不舒服，不舒服。所以你不会想太接近那个程度。但我的意思是，我认为我们已经，我认为我们想要逐步转过去。比如，如果，如果，我不知道，从现在起50到100年后，我们，我们，我们，我不知道，基本上实现了可持续发展。我认为那大概就没问题。所以并不是说房子马上就着火了，但我认为这是我们需要朝着前进的方向。

综合来看，可能更快而不是更慢地转过去会更好。但就像我说的，不要妖魔化石油和天然气行业，也不要在短期内造成困难，我认为这可以做到而不必，人们仍然可以拥有，你知道，一份权益，他们仍然可以驾驶汽油车，而且他们，你知道，这，这，这没关系。就像，这并不是，我不认为我们应该因此妖魔化人们，但我认为我们总体上就是，就是应该向可持续发展的方向倾斜。

而且我确实认为，未来太阳能将占地球能源生产的大部分，而且趋势显然正朝着那个方向发展。所以你获得太阳能，用，用，用电池来开采它，因为显然太阳在夜间不会照耀，然后，然后你用它给电动汽车充电，这样你就有了一个长期可持续的解决方案。而且你知道，那就是Tesla正努力推动事物走向的方向。

我认为我们在这方面取得了很多进展和进展。但当你看我们的汽车时，我们就像，我们不认为环保主义，不认为关心环境应该，应该意味着你必须受苦。所以我们确保我们的汽车很漂亮，如果它们开起来很好，如果它们很快，它们就，你知道，很性感。我的意思是，它们，它们很酷。事实上，确切地说，我是说，那个性感的玩笑，Model S、Model 3、Model X和Y拼出了sexy，这可能是现存最昂贵的玩笑。

但我，你知道，我只是，我不知道，我喜欢俗套的幽默，你知道，所以，而且，但是，但是我就像，我、我是，比如，让我们拥有一个鼓舞人心的未来的忠实拥护者，让我们、让我们朝着，你知道，一个更美好的未来努力。而且我们在不妖魔化的情况下这样做。

对。我没问题。你知道，这很有意思。你用了全球变暖这个词，而今天他们使用气候变化这个词，因为，你知道，有些地方会上升。所以全球变暖这个词让他们自己陷入了一点麻烦，因为并非每个地方都在变暖，有些地方正朝相反的方向发展。但你知道，我算是在等着你给汽车车顶和汽车后备箱装上太阳能板。

而且这似乎是你在某个时候会想出来的东西。我相信你会是第一个。但太阳能板装在、装在屋顶上，你知道，装在平坦表面、某些表面上，似乎可能会很好。

是的。

至少在这个国家的某些地区，那里有。或者世界上有阳光的地方。但我会，我会认为，而且我完全不了解，因为那不是我的领域，但我会认为这会是一件有意思的事情。不过，你知道，有一件事我不明白，那就是人们谈论全球变暖，或者谈论气候变化，却从来不谈核变暖。

而对我来说，那是一个迫在眉睫的问题，因为正如我所说，有5个国家拥有主要核力量，而且，你知道，可能还有其他一些国家正在接近那个水平，这非常危险。这正是你需要一位强有力的美国总统的地方，因为你就是，你不希望出现这种扩散。但现在有5个国家，而且还在增加。你知道，中国目前比我们少得多，但他们会比人们想象的更早赶上我们。

他们低得多。俄罗斯和美国是第1，我们算是并列，而中国远远落后。但他们的发展水平，你知道，听说速度非常快，你不会感到惊讶。它会。到头来他们会赶上来，甚至可能是讽刺性的。但对我来说，最大的问题不是气候变化。不是。而且所有事情，你知道，都是问题，但程度不同。对我来说，大问题是核力量。

核的威力是如此巨大。当我说我会阻止第三次世界大战时，我会的。但是。但是事实是你必须这么做，因为这已经不再是军用坦克来回移动、互相开火了。这是一种前所未见的破坏和力量水平。

是的。实际上，核有坏的一面，也就是核战争，非常坏的一面。但我认为，核能发电也被低估了。

你说得对。

而且实际上，你知道，人们对核能发电有这种恐惧，但它其实是最安全的发电形式之一。这只是一个巨大的误解。如果你看看伤亡人数，你知道，比如说，我是说，我并不是想针对煤矿开采，但任何一种采矿作业每年都会造成一定数量的伤亡。然后把它与核能相比，核能实际上好得多。

所以，作为一种电力来源，它被低估了。我认为这是值得重新考虑的事情。但监管太多了，人们根本做不成。所以，你知道，也许他们将不得不

改个名字。这个名字不好听。有些地区，比如当你看到发生了什么，要重新塑造它的品牌，我们得给它取个好名字。我们可以用你的名字来命名它之类的。你知道，嘿，它有一个品牌问题。你知道，当你看到发生了什么。

它没有品牌问题。

当你看到日本发生的事情，他们说大约3,000年内你都无法踏上那片土地。你看到过吗？还有俄罗斯，那里出了问题，那里，他们，你知道，发生了很多糟糕的事情，他们遇到了问题，而且他们说，2000年后人们将再次开始居住在那片土地上。你知道，你会意识到这相当糟糕。

那不是真的。

但有。你说得对。

这很不可思议。实际上没那么糟糕。所以，比如日本福岛事故发生后，加利福尼亚有人问我，你知道，我们是否担心会有核云从日本飘过来？我说，不，那太疯狂了。实际上，福岛甚至都不危险。我真的飞到了那里，还在电视上吃了当地种植的蔬菜，以此证明这一点。而且我捐赠了一套太阳能水处理系统，一套用于水处理厂的太阳能供电系统，而且。

是啊，但你最近一直感觉不太舒服，我很担心。不，不，不过我的意思是，我只是在开玩笑。我没事。

你知道，这，这就像，你知道，广岛和长崎遭到了轰炸，但现在它们，它们又重新成为完整的城市了。所以这确实不是什么，你知道，所以这并没有人们想象的那么可怕，基本上。

让我想想。我的意思是，我的意思是，我们是不是还应该谈谈其他一些话题？哦，你知道，比如利用司法手段打击政治对手，我觉得，你知道，我们需要担忧

他们对这个国家所做的事，显然。对，对。嗯，我们刚刚赢下了佛罗里达州的那起大案。这届拜登政府做了一件这个国家从未发生过的事，那就是拿这些无稽之谈来对付他们的政治对手，也就是我，完全是无稽之谈。在佛罗里达州的那起大案中，我们赢了，但他们总是。他们总会挑一个法官和一个陪审团，并且利用当地的地区检察官。他们利用当地的州检察长，比如 Fonny。

你知道，Fonny 拼作 F A N I，Fannie。而且这。这全是一场大骗局，全都是从那里操纵的。就像在曼哈顿。司法部的。一名高层人员介入了。操纵曼哈顿，操纵整个州。莱蒂西亚·詹姆斯那件事是由拜登司法部的一名人员操纵的。他们以前从没这么做过，而且他们开创了一个非常糟糕的先例。这。这叫利用司法手段发动战争。这。这是一件可怕的事，在我们国家从未发生过。

这种事确实会发生在香蕉共和国和第三世界国家，但从未发生过。而不可思议的是，这实际上让我的支持数据上升了，因为人们看得到，你知道，幸运的是，我有像你这样的平台，或者，你知道，公平地说，像这样的对话，让我可以谈论这件事，人们也能理解。我的意思是，你。你为选举的公正性而斗争，结果却因为为选举的公正性而斗争遭到起诉。

等到有一天你不能再为选举的公正性而斗争时，你就不再拥有一个国家了。所以发生了什么？发生的事是，他们对付了自己的政治对手，也就是我。现在拜登，你知道，在我看来，已经接近植物人状态了。好吗？我今天看到他在海滩上，我就说，为什么会有人允许他？那家伙几乎都走不动了。为什么会有人允许他？他是不是有一个认为这样看起来不错的政治顾问？

你知道，他觉得这样看起来不错，因为看起来实在太糟了。而且这很荒唐。我的意思是，而且他这样做已经很久了。你知道，他连椅子都抬不起来。那把椅子重约3盎司。本来就是为了让儿童和老人能抬起来的，而他却抬不起来。整件事都疯了。

嗯，这显然。我的意思是，这显然就像是我们根本没有总统。

你们没有总统。而她会比他更糟，因为他是一个摧毁了旧金山的旧金山自由派。然后作为州检察长，她又摧毁了加利福尼亚州。你谈到地理位置，而我们谈到阳光和水等等。没有什么地方比加利福尼亚州更好了。她毁掉了那里。她是最初的地区检察官。她是旧金山最初的那个。她是加利福尼亚州最初的州检察长。

她对加利福尼亚州所做的事是。嗯，你比我更清楚。你刚刚离开加利福尼亚州，其中很多正是这些原因。而她在。在犯罪方面所做的事，在。在无现金保释方面所做的事，就是你杀了人。我的意思是，我们有些州。你杀了人，他们马上就把你放出去。我的意思是，你甚至都不必缴纳。然后他们再也找不到这些人，除非他们再次杀人，然后他们又把他们放出去。

我们的国家正在变成一个非常危险的地方。而她是一个激进左翼的旧金山自由派，现在她却试图保护。现在她表现得好像她。她想比特朗普还要特朗普，如果这有可能的话。我认为这不可能，但她想比特朗普还要特朗普。对，我想要一堵墙。我觉得那是，你知道，她想释放所有被拘留的囚犯。而这些家伙中有些真的很坏。

对。

那件事今天刚刚披露。她想。她不想修建边境墙，尽管墙确实有效。墙和轮子，你知道，在你的行业里，你做的一切都会过时。几乎都会。嗯，隧道不会，但其他一切都会过时。甚至你的火箭飞船也像是，1个月后，它们就过时了。你会找到一种更好的方法来。唯一不会过时的东西就是墙和轮子，还有墙。你知道，我修建了数百英里的边境墙，这就是为什么我们的数据那么好。

我本来要再增加200英里。我们买下了它。我们本可以把它竖起来。在3周内把它竖起来，而他们却以每1美元5美分的价格把它卖了。这意味着。我说，哇，这意味着他们实际上确实想要开放边境。她想要开放边境，而现在她却表现得好像自己在边境问题上很强硬。这完全是谎言。

对。这当然不是真的。这当然不是真的。

而且每个人都知道这当然不是真的。她竟然能这么说，真是可耻。

不，我的意思是，显然，一夜之间发生的事情差不多就是，他们正在改写历史，把卡玛拉说成一个温和派，而事实上，她是极左翼。

比如，极端、极端左翼，比伯尼·桑德斯还糟糕。人们认为她远比伯尼·桑德斯更自由派。她是一个激进左翼的疯子。而如果她很快成为我们的总统，你就不再拥有一个国家了。而且她会回到她所信奉的所有那些事情上。她赞成削减警察经费。她主张绝不进行水力压裂，0。现在突然之间，她却说，不，我会的。我真的想看到水力压裂。

那一天，如果他们上台，她上台的那一天，她就会终结水力压裂。顺便说一句，如果人们不认为那些真正相信这一点的疯子不会投票给她，你知道，就像。就像巴勒斯坦人和以色列。她极其反以色列，而且她对双方都不利。拜登实际上做成了一件不可能的事。双方都恨他，你知道。双方都是。那是一件很难做到的事。团结统一。

是的。不，不，我是说。我是说，你知道，内塔尼亚胡来参众两院联席会议发表讲话，我当时也在场，而卡玛拉放了他鸽子。你知道，这说明了什么？

我认为这是极其不尊重人的。我是说，如果你是犹太人，或者如果你支持以色列，如果你是一个你知道非常亲以色列的人，如果你投票给她，那比拜登还糟，而拜登已经很糟了。但如果你投票给她，你就应该去检查一下脑子。你看，今晚，我是说，就在我们进行这场谈话的时候，我看到有报道传来，说他们预计今晚或明天会有数百枚、甚至可能数千枚火箭弹发动袭击。

你知道，他们的“铁穹”，他们这么称呼，我们所有人都这么称呼。但他们建造的那个防御系统，是可以被压垮的。我们用一个恰当的词。压垮。但他们通过发射足够多的导弹来压垮它。你比任何人都更清楚这一点。通过发射足够多的导弹，他们就无法自卫。你知道，他们就会把整个地方彻底摧毁。而有些人认为，他们打算做的就是这个。而我们没有领导力。

在这些人那里，美利坚合众国得不到任何尊重。而且我告诉你，你会比他更糟，因为他是激进左翼的信奉者，而他原本不是。

我认为你说得对。我是说，真的，这对。对可能正在收听这场谈话的公众来说，重要的是要说。去看看卡玛拉在最近，比如说，1个月之前的履历，然后问问，这是你认同的履历吗？我认为，如果你是一个独立派温和人士，你肯定不会认同，因为这确实。她的表现一直是极左的，而我们现在看到的，只是一场一夜之间发动的宣传行动，试图改写历史，让人听起来觉得卡玛拉是温和派，而事实上她并不温和。

嗯，她的竞选搭档批准并签署立法，在男孩洗手间里放卫生棉条。好了，我只需要听到这一点。男孩洗手间里的卫生棉条。而这意味着她也相信这一套。我是说，她选这个人，是因为他与她最接近。很多人以为她会选择某种相反的人，但她选择了一个反以色列的激进左翼人士。但据说，她比伯尼·桑德斯糟糕得多。如果她当总统，如果此刻由一名民主党人担任总统，我认为我们的国家无法生存。

我认为这。我认为这是一场巨大的。我认为，坦率地说，在卡玛拉政府治下，我们会陷入巨大的麻烦。这是我的真实看法。而且我确实认为，为了这个国家、为了这次选举，你获胜至关重要。我是说，这还淡化了我的看法。现在，你知道，你可能已经看到了，但我收到了一封来自欧盟委员会的信，大意是说，你知道，在比如说，我们正在进行的这场讨论期间，不要出现虚假信息。

比如，而且，你知道，有很多试图进行审查的行动，甚至试图由其他国家强迫对美国人实施审查。而且，你知道，你对此怎么看？

嗯，我非常了解欧盟。他们在贸易上大占美国的便宜。正如你知道的，我们通过另一种形式，也就是北约，保护他们。然而，如果你在美国制造一辆汽车，你就无法在欧洲销售它，你就是卖不了。这是不可能的。我们的农民也是如此。我们的农民发现做生意非常困难。你知道，我们对他们有2500亿美元的逆差，这一点人们并不知道。

欧盟，听起来多么美好，但让我告诉你，他们不像中国那么强硬，但他们很糟糕。而且我让他们知道了这一点。这可能就是他们通知你的原因。不，他们没有善待我们的国家。我们保护他们，你知道，在乌克兰问题上，所以我们投入了2500亿，而他们投入了大约710亿。而且他们的规模相同。如果你把欧洲各国加起来，你知道，就经济而言，规模大致相同，你不觉得吗，和我们差不多？

而且他们。他们面临的风险要大得多。他们，他们就在那里。我们有一片海洋将我们与……隔开。在这种情况下，敌人会是俄罗斯。过去是苏联，但我们姑且认为他们离得够近。而实际情况是，他们投入了7000多万，我想，我想甚至还不到那个数，十亿。而我们投入了大约2500亿。而且可能远高于这个数字。我就说，你们为什么不把投入拉平？

为什么他们没有支付我们支付的金额？而且这对他们来说重要得多，你知道，他们。他们面临的情况重要得多，因为事实上，你知道，他们就在那里附近。我的意思是，他们基本都在那个地区。我们不在那里。但他们应该付。他们应该付。我对北约也是这么做的。我们当时。在当时的28个国家中，只有7个国家向奈托足额缴费。还有美国。美国当时在补贴北约。

极大地补贴着北约。我说，我进去后说，你们得把钱付清。如果你们不付钱，我们就不会再保护你们了。我因此遭到了很多抨击。但你知道发生了什么吗？数十亿、数十亿美元源源不断地流了进来。

而且，是的，我认为，我认为很多公众并不知道这样一个事实：美国承担了不成比例的、的北约

开支，然后我们在贸易上被占便宜。

所以想想看，嗯，我的意思是，北约的宗旨是保卫欧洲，而且它，你知道，就像，那么，好吧，为什么。为什么美国为了保卫欧洲而承担的费用比例要比欧洲高？这说不通。这不公平。而那。那是一个应该处理的问题。

嗯，你知道，当你谈到削减成本、节省开支以及其他一切时，我的意思是，老实说，听着，没有人比我对乌克兰局势感觉更糟，因为我知道这本来绝不会发生。我认识泽连斯基，他对我非常正直，因为当他们抛出俄罗斯骗局，说我和他通过电话时，他说那是一通完美的电话。那是一通很棒的电话。他本可以哗众取宠，然后，你知道，说，哦，他非常有威胁性。

他说，不，那是一通非常友好的电话。我打电话给他，祝贺他获胜，而你最后却遭到弹劾，因为这些人都是疯子。你知道，我刚才谈到内部的人和外部敌人之间的区别。在许多情况下，内部的人对我们国家来说比俄罗斯人和那些中国更危险。如果你有一位聪明的总统，你就不会和他们产生问题。

你会做成。你会做一些事情。

是的。

现在他们占我们的便宜占得难以置信，但如果人选正确，你就会做一些事情。

是的。嗯，我认为很明显，你是言论自由的信奉者和倡导者，因为在你的第1个总统任期内，你每天都遭到无休止的攻击，而且往往是非常不公平的虚假攻击。而你没有试图让媒体闭嘴。你没有试图限制他们的言论自由。我认为这很能说明问题。

嗯，好在你和我有。而且还有一些人，非常少，我们可以把话传出去，尽管有时很难，因为他们不想刊登。你知道，就像。就像我们现在正在进行一场很棒的对话。卡玛拉不会进行这样的对话。她做不到，因为她不聪明。你知道，顺便说一句，她不是个聪明人。她无法进行这样的对话。至于拜登，我们甚至都不必谈了。

我是说，他无法进行这样的对话。他。他会在一个问题的前半段就放弃。他会直接走出去。他会说，我在哪儿？我要去哪儿？所以不管怎样。但不，他不会进行这样的对话。那是真的。没有多少人会进行这样的对话。不过，你知道，我们谈到了很多方面。但好处是你，你知道，我们可以进行对话。而且是的，我能够把它传出去，而不会。

因为我得到。

这是非常重要的一点。你实际上可以和你进行对话。

是的，这很好，不是吗？

而你无法和拜登或卡玛拉进行对话。就像，不。那是不可能的。

所以这就像是在和一个NPC说话。所以这根本不可能。

但想想看。我们需要一个极其敏锐的男人或人，才能阻止所有核危险以及我所说的所有危险。而且我和所有这些人都相处得很好。你知道，我和金正恩相处得很好。我们一起吃过晚餐。我们什么都有过。而且他真的很喜欢我。顺便说一句，我和他相处得非常好。他是。他是那边绝对的老大。你知道，很多人说，哦，你觉得他真的。

那是肯定的。

我告诉你，我见过一些你不会想知道的事情。他就是老大，但我们的关系很好。而且他不喜欢拜登。他认为拜登是个蠢人。他说，他是个蠢人。嗯，至少他直抒己见。不过，你知道，在这个国家，你算是不被允许这么说，但我想你是可以的。你应该被允许说，这是真的。但我们需要，真的，我们需要聪明人，而且我们需要有领导能力的人，而她没有那种能力。

你能想象吗，现在，你很了解习主席。你能想象她和他谈判，甚至站在一起吗？这真是。整个概念都很荒谬。她糟透了。她糟透了。但她却受到了优待。我今天在《时代》杂志上看到了一张她的图片。她看起来就像有史以来最美丽的女演员。我。那是一幅画，事实上，她看起来非常像我们伟大的第一夫人梅拉尼娅。

她看起来不像卡米拉。没错。不过她当然是一位美丽的女性，所以我们就说到这里，对吧？是的。

嗯，你知道，也许，我认为其中一部分是，你知道，美国人想要的，美国人想要，想对未来感到兴奋和受到鼓舞。他们希望感觉未来会比过去更好，而且，美国将做出比我们过去所做的更伟大的事情，达到新的高度，让你为身为美国人感到自豪，并对未来感到兴奋。

他们想要美国梦回来，你知道，他们想要美国梦回来。这比其他任何事情都重要。就像你今天没有这个，因为人们，他们已经被榨干了。他们看到无能的人在管理我们的，你知道，拜登这件事非常有意思。人们就是发现他无能。而当我和他辩论时，我当时就想，这是真的吗？

那确实，是的，那简直荒谬。但我认为我们可以做一些宏伟的项目。我是说，我认为我们可以在月球上建一个基地，可以把美国宇航员送上火星。我们可以在城市之间建设比世界上其他任何系统都更先进的高速连接。这样人们就能快速出行。你知道，通过隧道解决交通问题是可能的。你知道，我们已经在拉斯维加斯做这件事并取得了很大进展。

而且，你知道，而且，而且就是做一些令人兴奋、鼓舞人心的事情，让人感觉未来比过去更好。

嗯，我看到了你在拉斯维加斯做的事情，我告诉你，那太惊人了。我，我有机会看了看，我瞥了它一大眼，你做的事情令人难以置信，你知道，令人难以置信。而且你可以在各地都这样做。你可以在各地都这样做。这，你甚至不需要太多结构，你知道，假设你在合适的地区。

不，这，这很简单直接。

太惊人了。

所以，而且，而且就像，我认为我们可以做一些，一些事情，就像，就像中国的城市之间有令人难以置信的高铁，但我认为，如果，如果放松监管，具备真正实施的能力，也就是实际修建隧道是合法的，那么用，用，用隧道其实是可行的。然后你就可以拥有高速隧道，就城市间的高速交通而言，它们实际上比世界上其他任何系统都更好。

而那将是，你知道，美国人可以说，哇，好吧，我们拥有比世界上其他任何人都更酷的东西。那，那就是会让你为身在美国而自豪的那类事情。

而且比地面列车安全得多，地面列车存在危险，你知道，会有人，会有疯子。它安全得多，好得多。而且你知道，这很令人遗憾，因为我见过一些最棒的列车。我觉得这很迷人。我也看过那些系统以及它们如何运作，还有我想他们所称的子弹头列车，它们快得令人难以置信，舒适得令人难以置信，而且没有任何问题。而我们这个国家没有任何类似的东西。

甚至差得远。而我们没有这种东西是不合情理的。不合情理。

是的。我还认为，就像，有，你知道，有点接着监管过度这个话题。但我认为有一件事，人们大体上应该都能理解，那就是法律法规会发生什么，它们只会。每年都越来越多。除非有一个清理它们的流程，否则最终一切都会变成非法。而这实际上会减缓新技术的发展。我是说，如果你以那种，就像。

我认为FDA有一定的改革空间，可以提高审批那些有助于挽救生命和改善人们生活的药物的速度。

我在这方面下了很大功夫。你知道，我们把那个数字降到了有史以来最低。而且我们让治疗药物获得了FDA的批准，速度快得让人们都无法相信。但我向他们施压了。我觉得他们不太喜欢我，但我让一些东西获得了批准，而FDA的那些数字，他们都不会相信。而且你知道，这其实是一个非常官僚化的群体，很多情况下其实也是一群很好的人。我认识了其中很多人，但为了再生元，为了那么多不同的事情，我一直在非常强硬地推动他们，那些事情确实相当惊人。

但是。但是FDA花的时间太长了。他们会。一个产品要花12年才能获批。我把它缩短到了4年，而且我让一些事情很快就办成了。但这。这确实是必须着手处理的事情，因为花的时间太长了。就是花的时间太长。

是的，就是花的时间太长了。而且，你最终在审批方面也是如此。但它就是，它就是，你知道，要花好几年，而不是我认为可能只需几个月的事情。我认为，那会改善人们的生活，你知道，但我只是想反复强调这一点，就像必须有一个主动削减规章制度的流程，因为否则它们只会不断累积。每年都会像动脉硬化一样，最终一切都变成非法，或者要花上无穷无尽的时间，然后我们的社会就僵化了。

我们无法取得任何进展。而这是一件非常重大的事情。

埃隆，稍微回到FDA的话题上。我促成了一项名为“尝试权”的法案。这是说，如果你身患绝症，你就可以使用一种太空时代的药物，或者不管它可能是什么。我们拥有世界上最好的医生、最好的实验室。我们确实拥有。但是，人们会去其他国家，因为你无法使用这个，这种产品，即便他们认为它有效也不行，因为它正在经过FDA的审批。

我让它获得批准，这样你就可以使用了。你基本上看，没人想要。医生们不想要，因为责任问题。国家不想要，我们的国家，因为他们不想被起诉。这些人身患绝症。保险公司不想要，制药公司也不想要，没人想要。我把所有人召集到一个房间里，我们达成了一项协议，即你不会被起诉。而且他们也不希望这出现在他们的记录上。

如果有人身患绝症，并且在服药后去世，他们不希望这被记入自己的记录。所以我们设立了第二份、单独的一份名单。如果有人是。所以这就不会被算作负面结果。好吧。而且你也知道，我们把这件事办成了。我们挽救了，尝试权。他们已经试图推动这件事58年了。这听起来很简单，但事实并非如此，因为，你知道，我是说，你知道，那些保险公司，没有人想要它，但我们把它办成了。

有人签字，你签署一份文件，声明你不会起诉保险公司、国家，你不会起诉任何人。我们把这件事办成了。而且我们正在挽救数以万计的生命，尝试权。希望你永远不需要它，但如果你确实需要，你不必前往亚洲。你知道，有些人如果有钱，就去亚洲，去欧洲。如果他们没钱，就回家等死。事情就是这样。

他们会回家等死。

是的，嗯，我是说，其实这里得肯定一下欧洲。就像，如果一种药物在欧洲获批，而欧洲的监管规定多得离谱，那它显然也应该在美国获批。我是说，他们的监管规定比我们还多。所以为什么一种药物能在欧洲获批，却不能在美国获批？这太疯狂了。

嗯，我们做到了。我们做了一件真的。他们已经尝试了50年，但就是没能办成。而我把它办成了，这确实很了不起。但你说得对，有些人去欧洲，是因为某种药物在这里没有获批，但在欧洲获批了，而且一般来说，这种药会有效。这太疯狂了。完全正确。

而且我认为，只要人们被恰当地告知利弊，比如，这些是风险，你知道，那些就是风险。然后，比如，你自己作出决定，那就是合理的。

嗯，我想，就这样，你知道，差不多收尾吧，顺便说一句，我正在看这些数字，有很多人在听。在听。我希望你别紧张，因为现在有很多人在听你说话。好像有6000万之类的。那个数字是多少？太疯狂了。真令人惊叹，你竟然能马上看到这个。有多少。数字是多少？哇。

是多少？

嗯，哇。

我觉得那是个很大的。那比你说的还大。你说25，而你已经超过。远远超过那个数字的2倍，2500万。我觉得你会达到6000万或7000万，而且我猜随着时间推移。嘿，那真是。我祝贺你。那我能因此拿到报酬吗？

嗯，我其实认为，就未来几天、几周内会听到这场对话的人数而言，将会达到数百。

他们是这么说的。是的。那很好。嗯，听着，这是我的荣幸，但我只问这个问题。你现在过得更好，还是我担任总统时过得更好？现在没有任何人过得更好。你知道，我们就此发布过民调，现在没有任何人过得更好。通货膨胀毁掉了一切。而且，你知道，他们也觉得非常不安全。你看看许多不同事情的现状。你看看我们在各所大学发生的骚乱，关于。

我的意思是，这太荒谬了。但由于所有这些骚乱，他们就是觉得不安全。而现在他们真的觉得不安全，因为出现了一种新型犯罪。它叫移民犯罪。我称之为拜登移民犯罪。也许我会称它为卡玛拉移民犯罪。

但是你知道，我的意思是，面对所有这些事情，我总是试着，比如说，试着通过直接问人来了解实际真相，而且你知道，我妈妈住在纽约，我就问，你知道，妈妈，你知道吗，你的朋友中有没有人，你知道，遭到过袭击或殴打？她说，有，她的3个朋友在3起不同的事件中遭到袭击，就在最近几个月，她们只是在纽约街头走路。

然后我说，嗯，那些卖掉她们的人后来怎么样了？哦，什么事都没有。他们就那样逃脱了，而且他们只是，

他们总能逃脱。

什么都没在发生。而她们不，她们甚至都懒得报案，因为没有，她们知道不会，没有人会，你知道，人们不会被起诉。他们就是，他们就是在纽约把，你知道，暴力罪犯放出去。

唯一被起诉的人是唐纳德·特朗普。他们不会被，他们起诉特朗普。

是啊，我的意思是，这显然完全乱套了。

哦，这太糟糕了。

如果暴力罪犯正在，被逍遥法外，而与此同时纽约却花费大量资源起诉你。就好像，这是什么？你知道，我认为比较理智的公众看到这个会说，这到底是怎么回事？这显然是在滥用法律制度。你知道，法律制度本应保护公众免受暴力罪犯侵害，而且显然应该允许公众自行决定谁应该当总统，而不是由，你知道，某个，你知道，法律案件来决定。

一旦他们开创这个先例，因为这可能会在下一任身上继续下去。我的意思是，这是一个非常恶劣的先例。就他们，你知道，追击政治对手这件事而言，他们正在这么做。而事情就只是这样，就是在追击他们的政治对手。然后你会遇到一位，你知道，坚定的民主党法官。我这么说已经算客气了，在很多情况下甚至腐败透顶，但你遇到一名法官，然后进入一个共和党只能获得3%或4%选票的地区，而且你知道，你会面对一个由痛恨共和党人或痛恨……的人组成的陪审员候选池。

不过，当然，也可能反过来，因为在那些痛恨民主党人的地区，事情也可能从另一个方向开始，那你就打开了潘多拉魔盒。这对这个国家来说是一件非常危险的事，甚至对这个州来说也是一件非常危险的事。纽约市正在失去。纽约市和纽约州因为他们对我所做的事失去了很多生意。因为这些人说，我们不希望这种事发生在我们身上。那不是什么司法制度。

你们有一个不公平的司法制度。而这正在让纽约州损失巨额资金。人们正在离开，公司也正在离开，而且他们不会回来。所以，你知道，所有那些事情都很重要，但现在经济才是大事。我们可以非常迅速地让经济高涨起来。人们会再次回来。我们会摆脱这一切。

我认为有很多机会。

当然。

所以。

而我只是想。我想祝贺你。你做得非常出色。你是。你绝对有一个富有创造力的头脑。你知道，我们可以谈。你和我可以谈火箭。

让我想想。你这么说真是太客气了，谢谢。

隧道。我们可以谈隧道、火箭和电动汽车。太多事情了。而现在你又涉足AI，那将会是另一件美妙的事。我会这么说。

你所做的事令人惊叹，埃隆。这是一件令人惊叹的事。我祝贺你。

我的意思是，谢谢。嗯，我的意思是，我只想说，为一个令人振奋、鼓舞人心的未来举杯，人们可以期待这个未来，可以保持乐观，并为接下来发生的事感到兴奋。而我认为，作为总统，你会带来这样的未来。这就是我支持你的原因。

嗯，我对此很感激。那份支持对我意义重大。老实说，并不是所有支持都有那么重大的意义。你的支持意义重大。而且，你知道，我们有一句口号，让美国再次伟大。它很简单，但它确实是在说，我们想让美国再次伟大。而我们能够做到。我们现在就能做到。但如果我们还要再遭受4年，就像过去4年里我们所遭受的那样，我不确定这个国家还能不能再恢复过来。

情况就是这么糟糕。太糟糕了。我们必须。我们必须做很多事情。

我认为这是一个非常现实的风险。

这是一个很大的风险。

这是一个非常现实的风险。而且，你知道，我只想向正在收听的人指出，比如，我以前并没有很关注政治。而如果，只要你看看我的经历，我的记录，它是。我其实一直。我并不像，他们试图把我描绘成的那样，比如，一个极右翼人士，这很荒谬，因为我在，比如，制造电动汽车，还有，你知道，太阳能和电池，用这些来帮助环境。而且。而我其实，我，你知道，我支持过奥巴马。

我排了6个小时的队，只为和奥巴马握手，当时。当时他正在竞选总统。而且你知道，所以我并不是什么根深蒂固的长期共和党人。实际上，我称自己为，你知道，历来是一个温和派民主党人。而且，但现在我觉得，我们确实正处于国家的一个关键时刻。而且你知道，我认为很多人曾以为，你知道，拜登政府会是一个温和派政府，但它不是。

而且显然，在卡玛拉领导下，我们只会看到一个更加左倾的政府。这是我的真实看法。我的意思是，她父亲确实是，我的意思是，她是在一种，作为一个真正的。她父亲是一位马克思主义经济学家。这是。你可以用谷歌搜索。我的意思是，这并不是一个。我们不是在编造这件事。你知道，她就是这样被抚养长大的。所以。而我们只是，我们希望拥有一个繁荣的未来。我认为我们正处在这个关键时刻，而且，而且我认为在这种情况下，美国有点处在一个岔路口，我认为它会走上这条道路，比如你就是通往繁荣的道路。

而我认为卡玛拉恰恰相反。那么这就是我的，我是说，这就是我的真实看法。我会遭到疯狂攻击。而且你知道，我自己也经历了相当多的法律战。

但我只是在努力告诉人们我的真实看法。而且我以前并没有参与政治，也没有真正积极参与政治。我只是想指出，从历史上看，我的过往立场一直是温和派，即使不算温和派，也是略偏左。所以，我想对那些属于温和派阵营的人说，我认为你们应该支持唐纳德·特朗普竞选总统。而且我认为，这实际上是道路上一个非常重要的岔路口，如果，如果走向另一边，我们就会陷入严重困境。

嗯，我想感谢你。而且你知道，我其实一直确实认为你有些偏左，我必须这么说。所以，能够得到你的支持更是我的荣幸。我知道你对此的感受有多么强烈，但你知道，说到她，说到15年前的旧金山，我有一位很要好的朋友，鲍勃·蒂施。他说那是美国最伟大的城市，而现在那里几乎无法居住了，加利福尼亚州也是如此。而她参与了对旧金山的摧毁和对加利福尼亚州的摧毁，如果人们如此不明智地选举她，她也会参与摧毁我们的国家。

我希望那不会发生。我也希望选举能够诚实地进行，我们将扭转这个国家的局面。我们将，我们将做一些事情，而且我们可以相当迅速地做到。我们必须清除那些，你知道，被其他国家送给我们的罪犯。他们笑，他们嘲笑我们。他们认为我们接纳这些人很愚蠢。这些人在许多情况下都是激进、冷酷无情的杀手，还有恐怖分子。

而他们数十万计地待在我们的国家。是的。我们必须把他们赶出去。

是的。我是说，如果可以让我总结一下，也许，你知道，我认为这些是美国大多数人都会认同的问题，也就是说，我们想要安全、干净的城市，我们想要安全的边境，我们想要合理的政府开支，我们想要恢复人们对，对，对司法系统尊重的观感和现实，你知道，停止法律战。而且，而且我认为这就像是，这些怎么就成了，这些怎么就成了右翼立场？

我认为那些只是，那只是常识。而且，而且那就是，我是说，你同意吗？

100%同意。我，我不明白，你知道，整个。他们称之为进步主义，他们不再喜欢自由主义这个词。但不管称之为自由主义还是进步主义，我不明白怎么会有人说，他们把监狱清空、把里面的人送进我们的国家是可以接受的。再说一次，我告诉过你，全世界各地的犯罪率都在大幅下降，这是说得通的。事实上，下一次，我们会这么做，如果这次选举出了什么事，那将是一场恐怖大戏，我们下次就在委内瑞拉见面，因为在那里见面会比在我们的国家安全得多。

好吧，所以我们会去，你和我会去，我们会在委内瑞拉开个会、吃顿晚餐。委内瑞拉。因为现在发生的就是这种事。他们的犯罪率正在下降，而我们的犯罪率却直冲云霄。而且事情就是这么简单。你还什么都没见识到呢，因为这些人已经进入了我们的国家，他们才刚开始适应，而且他们不了解什么政治正确、执法或缺乏执法。

还有我们的警察。我必须用这个来结束。我们有很棒的警察，我们有很棒的执法人员，但他们不被允许履行职责。他们必须能够履行职责，而不被毁掉。

嗯，完全正确。而且，如果你是一名警察，冒着生命危险去，你知道，去，你知道，去逮捕那些可能杀死你、而且有时确实会杀死你的暴力罪犯，这显然会让人士气低落；然后你逮捕了暴力罪犯，接着，那个，那个地方检察官，你知道，却不起诉，最后把那家伙放了。那这样的话，一名警察为什么，为什么应该冒着生命危险去逮捕一名暴力重罪犯呢？

嗯，更糟的是，什么事都不会发生。更糟的是，他们起诉警察。他们，他们追究并起诉警察，还夺走他的养老金，夺走他的工作，他失去家庭，失去房子。

嗯，我觉得这非常能说明问题，简直太能说明问题了，你知道，当时有那么一个案件，你知道，好像是一伙暴徒殴打警察，我想是在纽约时代广场。而，而，而后来那些家伙什么事都没有。他们，他们以零保释金获释了。而且我想，他们当中有一群人还拿到了去加利福尼亚的免费票。嗯，为什么会。我是说，这，这，这是对美国的严重羞辱。

而，而事情就是这样，我是说，这太疯狂了。就像，我们已经完全失去自尊了吗？那，怎么能允许这种事情发生？

我从没见过这样的事，你知道，我们看到他们中枪，这是一种非常危险的职业，但也是他们非常自豪的事情，而且他们希望能够履行自己的职责。但我见过他们中枪。我见过很多事情，但我从没见过这些家伙站在一条大街中央，所有人都看着他们，而他们真的像在打拳一样，挥拳，站着，和一名警察打架。有2名警察，而这些家伙大约有6个，他们把警察往死里打。

而在他们自己的国家，如果他们这么做，他们早就死了。他们会被枪杀。是的，他们会立刻被枪杀。而且你知道，他们来自这些国家，他们需要一段时间才能意识到，我们在这个国家不会那么做。但在他们自己的国家，如果他们站在街上和一名警察打架，他们会被枪杀。那里没有政治正确。而看到这种事太令人难过了，太令人难过了。

顺便说一句，这就是你会有犯罪问题的原因，因为我们对此什么都不做。

是的，我们绝不能出现这样的局面：我们的警察被，你知道，一伙非法移民当着镜头殴打，之后那些殴打警察的家伙却什么事都没有。我是说，而且他们还被放了。这是不可接受的。

我们要改变这种情况，我们要把他们赶出这个国家。你知道，我刚开始参与的时候，他们说你无法把他们送回这些国家，你无法把他们带回去。就危地马拉、洪都拉斯、萨尔瓦多和其他一些国家而言，你无法把他们送回去。我说，真的吗？哦，你不能把他们送回去？因为在奥巴马执政期间，他无法把他们送回去。他们会……他们会把他们空运过去，而那些国家会把飞机停在跑道上，让你的飞机无法降落。

他们会把他们送回去。那位将军告诉我，那些将军告诉我，先生，我们无法把他们送回那些国家。它们不接收 MS-13 帮派成员，它们不接收他们。我说，真的吗？我们以经济援助的形式向这些不同国家支付多少钱？这本身也有些荒谬。而答案是7.5亿美元。我说，很好。告诉他们，他们违约了，他们拖欠了，我们不会再这么做，我们不会再给他们钱，因为他们不接受。

你知道后来发生了什么吗？他们全都给我打了电话，一个不落。他们说，先生，我们很荣幸把他们接回去。我们很荣幸。事情就是这么容易。但这就是那类事情之一。而且我们把他们送回去了。我们接收了太多。你知道，MS-13 可能是世界上最恶劣的帮派。他们最为凶残、暴力。我们把他们成千上万地从这里带走，让他们离开这里，而他们的国家把他们接了回去。

而这是因为我说，你们不会再得到任何经济援助。一旦他们那么说，他们就很好说话了，他们不愿意为奥巴马把他们接回去。他们不愿意为任何人把他们接回去。而现在我们遇到了问题，因为我们有这个家伙，而且他们，同样，在拜登执政期间，他们不再把他们接回去，因为他们不尊重他。

是的，是的。所以这事就是必须，必须完成。我们，我们就是不能，不能有。

无论他们是不是公民，公民也不能这样，因为他们也不会起诉公民。不只是合法移民。所以你不能让那些暴力的、屡次实施暴力的犯罪者不被，不被监禁，因为显然，按照定义，他们会继续，继续伤害别人。我认为，其中一部分原因在于，有，我在某些方面确实算是自由派。我是说，只是因为你希望对人们抱有同理心。

显然，你希望对人们抱有同理心。我完全赞同这一点。你希望有同理心，但你也必须对罪犯的受害者抱有同理心。而如果你只对罪犯抱有同理心，那其实是浅层的同理心。不是真正的同理心。你没有在思考，你没有。你的同理心只有一层深。你必须这样想，比如，如果你不监禁这个人，他们会伤害谁？他们可能会杀人，他们可能会强奸别人。

如果你不监禁他们，你必须对受害者抱有同理心。现在缺乏对罪犯受害者的同理心，却对罪犯有太多同理心。这说不通。这就是为什么你要对整个社会抱有深层的同理心，而不是对罪犯抱有浅层的同理心。

而且我们必须给予我们的警察他们应得的尊严和尊重。我们必须让他们履行职责。他们可以把工作做得很好，但我们必须让他们履行职责。如果我们不这么做，你知道，一切都会消失。从来没有哪个社会像这样，允许你为所欲为，却什么后果都没有。我说的是暴力犯罪。而且它会变得更加暴力，因为这些人真的、真的非常暴力。

而我们要把他们赶出我们的国家，我们要把他们送回原来的地方，因为是那些总统和管理那些国家的各类人士把他们送到这里来的。我认识那些家伙中的每一个，他们都很聪明，都很懂街头那一套，而且他们真的认为美国很愚蠢。他们认为我们由一群蠢人管理，而他们碰巧是对的。但我在任的时候，我们没有问题。

我们把他们赶出去了。我们清除了数千名 Ms. 13 帮派成员，把他们送了回去，而现在又来了，他们，还是老一套。我们不这么做。而且他们实际上还大幅增加了对他们的援助。他们把金额提高到了数十亿美元，却什么也没换来。所以，你知道，这，这。我希望每个人都会投票给特朗普，我们会让这个国家重回正轨。而我本不需要这些。我就像，我本不需要这些。

我原本过着非常美好的生活。我本不需要经历法院系统和经历所有其他那些事，同时还要竞选。我必须竞选。我必须经历虚假的审判，有些案件中，是腐败的法官，彻底腐败的法官。我本不需要这些。我原本生活得很好。我有很棒的地点。我有美丽的海洋，我在那里有地方。你知道，这本来是。但我觉得这很重要，如果让我再来一次，你大概会觉得我这么做很疯狂，真的。

但如果让我再来一次，我还是会再做一次，因为这远比我或我的生活重要得多。这是。我们要拯救这个国家。这个国家正在走下坡路。而我们正在与之竞选的这些人都是坏人。而且他们是骗子。他们发表言论。他们做的事情非常糟糕。他们说他们要打造坚固的边境。他们说自己在边境问题上一直做得很出色，而他们却是历史上最糟糕的。

他们说他们要制止犯罪。

事实不言自明。

这太不可思议了。

事实不言自明。事情已经发展到这种地步，在许多州，人们甚至都懒得报案了，因为他们知道什么也不会发生。你知道，这就是我一直从人们那里听到的种种说法。所以，你知道，就是，你知道，我的价值观，我只是想对外面的人说，比如，我的，你知道，我认为对未来很重要的事情是，我们必须有安全的城市，我们要有安全的边境，我们必须进行合理的支出，而且我们必须放松监管。

这样我们才能拥有繁荣的未来。然后，我们希望有一些令人振奋的，你知道，某种登月式项目，让人们能为之振奋。而且，你知道，那就是。那就是我所期待的未来。而且，你知道，我支持环保，但我并不反对，你知道，我不是那种，我不认为我们应该妖魔化石油和天然气行业，因为它们现在正维系着文明的运转。而且。但我确实认为，我们希望以，你知道，你知道，合理的速度迈向可持续能源经济。

这些就是我的价值观。而且我认为，你知道，所以，我的意思是，这就是我支持你竞选总统的原因，你知道。

嗯，我很感激。我们要做到。我们将激励企业进入我们的国家，而不是离开我们的国家。我们将给予巨大的激励。我们希望企业在这里建设，而不是在其他地方建设。我们希望创造就业机会。再说一次，这关乎美国梦。现在已经听不到人们谈论美国梦了，埃隆。你就是最真正意义上的美国梦，但现在已经听不到人们谈论美国梦了。

而你们将会听到。人们，他们需要那种激励，走出去行动起来。他们将会热爱自己的生活。我的意思是，他们将会热爱。他们会期待早晨起床，去，你知道，去做一份他们热爱的工作。不是一份他们无法忍受的工作，也不是根本没有工作、没有钱，他们真的一分钱都没有。然后他们最终陷入暴力和许多其他问题，不，我们会做。

我们会做一些了不起的事情。我在第一次时学到了很多。我们拥有很棒的经济以及这一切。我们重建了军队。我们做了很多。但我也学到了。而且我也了解了最优秀的人。我了解了好人、聪明人、愚蠢的人、能做成事情的人。你知道，你会学到东西。我刚上任时，我告诉人们，我只去过华盛顿特区17次。据假新闻媒体说，我去过17次。

我从未在那里过夜。而且你不了解那些人。你依靠其他人给你提供名字，然后你意识到，你所依靠的那些人并没有那么好。我们当时有很棒的人，但也有一些人，如果我早知道，我就不会，你知道，用他们。现在我认识所有人，我认为我们将会。我们真的会迅速扭转局面。我们别无选择，否则我们将不再拥有一个国家。我真的很感激，这一直是。

对我来说，和你在一起非常有趣。你是个了不起的人。你做得令人难以置信，是人们的巨大鼓舞，巨大的鼓舞。我希望你继续前进，继续做得很好。我们即将迎来一场重大选举，我认为11月5日将是我国历史上最重要的一天。我认为那场选举将是最重要的选举，而且我认为它最终可能会成为我国历史上最重要的一天。

因为如果我们赢不了，我只是觉得所有人都太可怜了。

不，我认为我们正处在命运与文明的道路岔口，我认为我们需要选择正确的道路。而且我认为你就是正确的道路。所以我认为归根结底就是这样。

非常感谢你，埃隆。这是莫大的荣幸，我们以后找时间再来一次。真的非常有趣。我希望你吸引了很多观众。我听说有很多，但我希望你吸引了很多。我知道你吸引了很多观众。所以我很感激。回头见。

好的，听起来不错。谢谢。

谢谢你，埃隆。非常感谢。再见。

All right. Hello, everyone. So my apologies for the late start. We unfortunately had a massive distributed denial of service attack against our servers and saturated all of our data lines. Like, basically hundreds of gigabits of data were saturated.

We think we've overcome most of that, and so it's not time to proceed. But as this massive attack illustrates, there's a lot of opposition to people just hearing what President Trump has to say. And so. But I'm honored to have this conversation. I want to emphasize it's a conversation and it's really intended to just get a feel for what Donald Trump is. Just like in a conversation, it's hard to catch a vibe about someone if you just don't hear them talk in a normal way.

And when, you know, when there's an adversarial interview, like no one's themselves in an adversarial interview.

And this is really aimed at kind of open minded independent voters who just try and make up their mind

and

so you can understand, like, what, what is, you know, what is it just like to have a conversation? So honored to Donald. Great, Great to, to speak. We had a great conversation yesterday, as you mentioned yesterday. If we could just record that conversation and post it, it would have been excellent. And I hope we can have something like that today. We.

Well, I think we will. I'm pretty sure we will. And congratulations, because I see you broke every record in the book with so many millions of people. And it's an honor. We view that as an honor. And then you do want silencing of certain voices. Usually those are voices that have something to say that are constructive, oftentimes constructive. And so we have to consider it an honor. But congratulations on breaking every record in the book tonight.

That's great.

Well, thank you. Well, maybe we could start off with, I mean, the assassination attempt, which was an incredible thing. And I have to say that your actions after that assassination attempt were inspiring.

Instead of shying away from things, instead of ducking down, you were popping your fist in there and saying, fight, fight, fight. And I think that's, I mean, you know, the President of the United States represents America. And I think that is, that is America. That, that is strength under fire. And so that's, you know, a big, you know, part of the reason why I was excited to endorse you as the, the President, United States, for having the term here is that was, that was just incredibly inspiring.

But, but, I mean, what was it like for you?

Not pleasant.

I said it was blood.

I had more blood.

I didn't know I didn't know I had that much blood. The doctors later told me that the ear is a place that is a very bloody place if you're going to get hit. But in this case, it was probably the best alternative you could even think about because it went at the right angle. And, you know, it was a hard hit. It was very, I guess you would say, surreal, but it wasn't surreal. You know, I was telling somebody, you have instances like this or like a lot less than this, where you feel it's a surreal situation.

And I never felt that way. I knew immediately that it was a bullet. I knew immediately that it was at the ear.

Yeah.

And because it, you know, it hit very hard, but hit the ear. And I also heard people shout, bullets, bullets. You know, get down, get down. Because I, you know, I moved down pretty nicely pretty quickly, and we had bullets flying right over my head after I went down. So I'm glad I went down. The bigger miracle was that I was looking in the exact direction of the shooter. And so it hit. It hit me at an angle that was far less destructive than any other angle.

So that was the miracle. That was for those people that don't believe in God. I think we got to all start thinking about that. You have to. You know, I'm a believer now. I'm more of a believer, I think. And a lot of people have said that to me. A lot of great people have said that to me, actually. But it was amazing that I happened to be turned just at that perfect angle and all because I put down a chart on immigration that showed that the numbers were so great.

I love that chart even.

Maybe it's a sign. Maybe that's a sign.

It's an immigration sign.

You highlighted a serious issue at that moment. The bullet. Mr. You know, he hit your ear, but, you know. Mr. Your head, I mean.

Well, the amazing thing is that the sign. I said, bring down that sign on immigration. And it was literally about an eighth of a second where it would be good. And after that, it was going to be a disaster no matter which way you were facing. But it just had that perfect angle, which was exactly at this shooter. Very sad situation. Such a sad situation. As, you know, we lost somebody. That was great. Corey, who a firefighter, a great gentleman, a great.

A great trumper. He was a just a fantastic family and a fantastic man. And a friend of mine came up, Elon, and said, I'd like to give the family some kind of help. And I said, that's great. He said, do you mind I said, I don't mind at all. And he wrote out a check for a million dollars. Gave. Gave it to the wife. And, you know, she said, this is really nice, but I'd rather have my husband back. Which is a nice thing to somebody to say, to be honest.

She's. She's great. The family is great. And we raised a lot of money for them and for two other gentlemen, are unbelievable people. Also, they were hit really badly. They thought they were not going to make it, and they did. The doctors in the Butler area, I tell you, they were incredible. They saved the two, and they were really hit tough, both of them, equally. And we thought we. My first question was, because I heard bullets flying over me.

I said, how many people were killed? Because we had a massive crowd there, a tremendous. Thousands and thousands of people, and there was no land. I mean, it was just. It was all people. So I said, how many people have been killed? Because I knew there were other shots being fired.

Sure.

And they said, we don't know yet, but some people have been badly hurt. And I have to give the Secret Service sniper, they call him or sharpshooter, but sniper, because he didn't know there was a problem. He's been. He's an extraordinary shot, obviously, and he didn't know there was a problem. And he was able to pick it all out within five seconds. And he used one bullet from very far away, I guess probably about 400 yards.

The shooter was 130, but he was on the. He was on the opposite side of the field and the podium, and he saw the. The smoke and the flame from the gun, immediately recognized it and immediately took a shot. And it was one perfect shot from very far away. And if he. If he didn't do that, Elon, he would have. I mean, if he would have. A lot of people. A lot more people have been. Could have been badly hurt and killed. So I.

I have to take my hat off to him because that's also a surreal. You know, he's been with them for 23 years, and he's never had anything like this. And all of a sudden he has to act, and it's a very tough thing to act and to be shooting somebody. But he saw the. He saw the gun, saw the smoke, saw the flame from the gun very far away. Obviously has very good eyes. He's got very good vision, which I assume you have to have in that particular work.

But he. He took aim very quickly, and it was. They say it was approximately five seconds from long range, one bullet. If that didn't happen because the shooter had a lot of bullets. He had a lot of, a lot of cartridges up there with him. So what have been great.

I mean, I mean that, that, that's clearly, you know, you know, he was, he was very competent in taking that shot to stop the, the assassin, the attempted assassination. But, but I mean, that does seem to be, I mean, some pretty significant failings elsewhere in the system. Like, there's just no way that, like how on earth does a shooter get on a roof 130 yards away? That seems crazy. I think most people, like people are wondering how that on earth could such a thing happen.

Well, you know, I view it as two ways. There should have been nobody on the roof. There were people because there were so many tens of thousands of people there. There were people that were seeing him. And there was one woman with a red shirt and Trump all over it and she's screaming, that guy's got a gun. You know, you saw it? Probably, yeah, there's a guy with a gun.

I mean, it's like I'm just, I'm just, I guess, I mean, for my part, and I think probably many members of the public are wondering how the heck are, you know, basically people wondering why, pointing out there's a guy on the roof with a gun.

They're seeing it, but somehow it's not being addressed. That does seem crazy.

Well, they're going to learn from this. The communication between the local police who sort of had an idea. And then ultimately a man lifted himself up to the roof, could barely do it because he was pulling himself up and he saw the man with the gun. The man with the gun pointed the gun at him. He thought he was probably going to get shot, but you know, he was like pulling himself up and because of that he couldn't get to his gun and he fell down, actually very badly hurt his leg, his ankle, I hear very badly.

But he fell down and he did, you know, from what I understand, he did say there's a guy up there with a gun. And the shooting started very quickly after that. I think it forced the shooter to go maybe quicker. You know, he was supposed to be a very good shot.

Yeah.

My sons, Don and Eric, they can't believe what happened, but they said from 130 yards a bad shot would hit that target almost every time. They said it's like in golf thinking a two foot putt.

Yeah, it's not a hard, it's not a tough shot.

It's not a long shot. The secret service person had the long shot, he had a, you know, triple the distance, actually. So, you know, it was a terrible thing. Look, it's hard. I have to say this about the Secret Service. When I went down and, you know, I went down based on. I think they're screaming, but other people also, because people saw this happen. You know, you had so many people. One of the miracles was that nobody ran.

I mean, if a gun goes off, the crowd control people showed, showed us this. When guns go off, and it does happen in stadiums, at a soccer match or some kind of a match, everybody flees. They call it a stampede, like cattle, but everybody. And a lot of people get killed with those stampedes. We had more people than you'd have at, you know, some of these matches or these games, and nobody left. You know, you had a small group behind us in the grandstand, and that was full.

And you look at it as it was taking place. And normally they'd be running. They didn't leave. They saw that I was hurt. They saw a lot of blood, and they saw that I went down, and it's almost like they wanted to be with me. Well, out front, you had thousands, tens of thousands of people as far as the eye could see. You had people in Butler as far as the eye could see. And.

And a lot of press, too. It was, you know, many cameras on watching this. It's what made. Makes it so different because normally things happen that aren't good, but you never have a picture of it. Here we have all these cameras shooting it. So, you know, sort of amazing. But one of the interesting things was that you didn't have anybody flee. You didn't have anybody stampede nobody. And there were some people behind me.

They stood up and they're looking like, you know, I mean, I tell you, you want to have. You want to have them in a foxhole with you. I want to meet some of those people because it's so different from what you heard. But so. So I was down, but the Secret Service guys, there were bullets flying right over my head. You could hear them go whizzing. And these guys came jumping on top of me. And a young lady, Kate, would jump.

They. They moved so fast. And let me tell you, that took tremendous courage. Now, there was a lack of coordination. There was, you know, obviously, everybody understands that somebody. That. That building should have been covered.

And.

Yeah, I mean.

I mean. I mean, looking at the. The aerial views, that building would be like the number one spot for a sniper. I mean, it's like. It's like the. If you Were to pick, like, what is the favorite. What if you. So if the goal is to assassinate, what's your favorite spot? That building. That building would be number one.

That would have been this.

It's like, you couldn't. You couldn't ask for a better location. It's like.

No, that would have been this phone. You know what people think is when the local policeman, who, by the way, you know, he really. He did what he was supposed to do, he couldn't hold on any longer. And then when he got his head just peeking above this guy standing there with a gun at his head. And when he fell down again, hurt his ankle very badly, but he was making the calls. But what happened is the firing took place very soon.

So what they think is that this guy ran to his site, which he had all planned out, with a gun, he ran to the site, and he started shooting fast. And maybe that's why he. Well, he sort of missed. I mean, you know, he.

Yeah, but as you said,

could have been a much bigger problem.

But he totally would have hit if you hadn't turned your head. So, like, you know, there was a. It was a very near thing.

It was a miracle. If I hadn't turned my head.

Yeah.

I would not be talking to you right now. As much as I like you.

Exactly.

I would not.

Yeah. I would not be talking to me from another realm.

Yeah, that's right. We'd be talking from a different place. But it was. It was a, you know, it was a very terrible experience. The. The Butler Hospital, they did such a great job. The doctors were so good. Everybody was so good. There was. There was a mistake If. If somebody knew because people were hearing that, you know, there was just a bad feeling that there was. Somebody was around you story. Now it's been. And if somebody could have said, because they've oftentimes said, you know, like, there'd be a lightning storm or something.

Because I've done, I think, over 300. I think I did a lot more than that, but we did a lot. And oftentimes they'll say, sir, could you wait 10 minutes, please? Sir, could you wait 20 minutes? There's a storm overhead or lightning or something. Right. And that happens often. And this would have been a perfect time for that to have happened, but it didn't. It didn't get coordinated. That was the problem.

Well, it was your, I think, your actions in the heat of fire. And, you know, like, what I found admirable there was that you can't fake bravery under such circumstances. The courage Is instinctual or it is not. It's not a rehearsed action. And so I just want to say that I think a lot of people admire your courage under fire there, and. Yeah.

So thank you very much. I appreciate it. I don't think. I didn't think of it. I just wanted to get up, and I wanted to stand up. I want to let people know, you know, I felt I was good when. When they were on top of me, covering me, actually, very much covering me, and. And very bravely, but I wanted to get up. I said, I want to get up. And they wanted. You know, they had. They have everything there. They have. They wanted.

Stretcher. I didn't like the stretcher. And I knew I was hit in the air, but I knew I wasn't hit anywhere else. They felt I was hit someplace else. It was such a lot of blood. And they were sure that I was hit someplace else. And they were saying, sir, you were hitting more than the year. I said, nope, I was hit in the air. I want to get up. Let me get up. And so I got up, and the crowd didn't know what to think. I mean, this was so many people, and you could see they were confused.

They didn't know what to think. And I wanted to let them know I was okay. It was very important for me to let them know that. And they went wild. You. You've seen the after. They didn't go wild when I got up because they didn't know was I alive. You really couldn't tell when I stood up before the hand, before the. You know, the fist in the air. They didn't know if I was alive. Nobody did. And when I put the fist up, they were.

They were just relieved and happy and thrilled, and the place went crazy. It was pretty amazing. It was a terrible thing, but it

was incredibly, incredibly moving. Yeah, well. And I mean, speaking of the sort of slide that got you to turn, that saved your life, really? Where's the illegal immigration slide? Maybe it's worth talking about that slide.

That slide says illegal immigration saved my life. You're right. But I had to be at an exact angle.

I mean, that's. That's a great one.

Saved by illegal immigration. You know, the. The incredible thing, though, when you talk about the odds, you had to be exactly at that angle. But. But the incredible thing is that the chart. I used it less than 20% of the time. It was just a moment.

Yeah.

It's always on my left, never my right. And it's always at the end of the speech. So here we have it. It's on the right, not the left. It's at the beginning, not the end. And even the people that put it up, they were unprepared, and they did a great job. They got it up immediately, fortunately. But I looked to the right and the bullet came whizzing by hitting my ear.

So it was amazing. But when you think of the odds of that and you know that normally you wouldn't use it. Normally I wouldn't have the thing, and then it would have been a very different story. It's very much. I. I say an act of God. It's a miracle that it happened, and I'm honored by it. I'm honored by it.

Well, what. What, what. What were you about to say about illegal immigration before you were rudely interrupted?

Well, I was going to say how good the numbers were. By the way, we're going back to Butler, and we're going to go back in October. We're all set up and we're. The people are fantastic in Butler. It's a big. It's a great area. Great. These are incredible people. Like the three that in the case of Corey, killed. And the other two, the families are. I got to know him a little bit, and the families. But we're going back to Butler.

And I think I'll probably start by saying, as I was saying prior to being so horribly interrupted, but.

Yeah. So rudely interrupted by an assassination attempt.

No, but the chart.

Some people have.

No matter, Elon. The chart was just a chart that in my last week, we had the best illegal immigration numbers, meaning stopping. It was at the lowest. You've seen the chart. It's become quite a famous chart. But that was the lowest point ever recorded. It was a really. I mean, I was very proud of those numbers. And then you see what happened with these people, Kamala and Joe. You see what happened. They just let it go.

I had remain in Mexico policies. I had all these different policies that were so good. Guys like Tom Holman and Brandon Judd from Border Patrol, all these are all people that. They've been on television. They said it's the best numbers we've ever had. We had so many different checks. Catch and release in Mexico, not the United. We had catch and release in the United States. We had it in Mexico. We had so many things.

We had things where if people. Many people come in there, they have contagious diseases. We had everything passed. If you have a contagious disease, I'm sorry, but we can. We cannot allow you into the country. So we were setting, literally, records, and all I was doing is showing that. And I. I use it sometimes, and in this case, I'm glad I used it, I can tell you that. But. But they were fantastic numbers. But I'm going to sleep with that chart.

Always. I'm going to. I'll be sleeping with that chart. That chart was. Was very important. Very important for a lot of reasons.

Well, I mean. I mean, would it be accurate. Would it be accurate to say that you're supportive of legal immigration, but that. But we obviously need to shut down illegal immigration and especially unvetted illegal immigration, because you, you know, and that's not the same as saying that everyone who is an illegal immigrant is. In fact, I think most people who are illegal immigrants are actually good, but you can't tell the difference unless there's a solid betting of who comes across the border.

Does that accurately represent your position?

I say it very simply. They have to come in legally. They have to be checked. Because, look, Kamala was the border czar. Now she's denying it. Everything that I do, she's saying she was strong on the border. We're going to be strong. Well, she doesn't have to say, if she could close it up right now, they could do things right now. It's horrible. No tax on tips. And all of a sudden, she's making a speech and there will be no tax on tips.

I said that months ago. And by the way, they had just the opposite. You know, they had not only tax on tips, but they hired 88,000 IRS agents, and many of them were assigned to go get waitresses and caddies and all of this on tips. They have a policy. They had a policy. They were really going to go after you, and we're really harassing people horribly. And then all of a sudden, for politics, she says, you know, she comes out with what I said, which I think is terrible.

And I think it's also hitting them very hard. These people are fake. Now they're also saying they did a good job in the border. We had the worst numbers in the history of the world, not of our country. There's never been a country in history that has had a catastrophe like this. We've had, I believe. And I think you believe this, too. You know, you hear 12 million, 13. I believe it's over 20 million people came into our country, many coming from jails, from prisons, from mental institutions, or a bigger version of that is insane asylums, and many are terrorists.

And I'll tell you what they're coming not just from South America, they're coming from Africa, they're coming from all over the world, they're coming from Asia, they're coming from the Middle east, they're coming from countries that are stupidly and horribly bombing Israel. October 7th. They're coming from all over the world. And you know, you look at, it's so sad October 7th because it should have never happened. It's so sad when you look at Ukraine.

It should have never happened. We have a defective government, These are defective people. And they're not people that should be running it. But where you see it the best is the border. Because you had, you have millions of people coming in a month and then she gets up and she tries to pretend like she's going to do something. She had three and a half years and by the way, they have another five months that they can do something, but they won't do anything.

It's all talk. She's incompetent and he's incompetent. And frankly, I think that she's more incompetent than he is. And that's saying something because he's not too good.

Yeah, no, I think it is essential to have a secure border. I mean, you're really not a country unless you have a secure border and secure elections.

Absolutely secure elections. And so it's just essential to have a real border or we can't function as a country. And our central services are being overwhelmed in a lot of cities and. But as we were talking about earlier, I think having a legal immigration process that is smooth and efficient and done well. And I'm speaking as someone who is a legal immigrant and I think that, I mean, like one way to think of it is who do you want on your team?

Who do you want on Team America? And I think we want to just say, okay, we, we want to let in people who are going to, you know, be great contributors to our society and to our economy. And you know, and who do you want on the team? And it's, and it's not to say that like, in my opinion, actually I'd say like probably most of the illegal immigrants actually are actually good, hard working people. That's my opinion. But some are not.

And you just have this sort of adverse selection process where, you know, if somebody's, you know, if somebody is like, you know, has a career in theft or robbery, I don't understand what's taken them so long to get here because we are such a target rich environment. I mean, you know, why aren't they? Why aren't more people who have a career in, you know, bad things coming here sooner? Because.

But you have a lot of people that just shouldn't be. I think it's a much bigger number than you think. They're allowing, again, they're allowing people from their jails. And if you were running one of these countries where they're coming from, you would have had all of them as an example. Venezuela, their crime is down 72%. They're taking their drug dealers, they're taking, frankly, their prisoners. They're emptying out their prisons.

They're taking their criminals. They're murderers, they're rapists, and they're delivering them into.

That's what Castro did.

Yeah, well, he did on a much smaller scale. You know, it was a much smaller scale, but this is a massive scale because this is being done worldwide. But here's what's happening. Crime all over the world is down. And wait till you see the numbers that we have. You know, these. This is migrant crime. This is crime that's going to be. And I saw it today in New York where somebody was knifed, where they raped the girlfriend of a man that stood there watching in New York in one of the shelters and started pulling out the knives.

And bad things happened today, but this is happening every day. These are rough people. These are people that are in jail for murder and all sorts of things, and they're releasing them into our country and they're telling them, if you come back, we're going to kill you. We're going to give you the death penalty or kill you. So they don't want to come back. But these are rough people. These are criminals that make our criminals look like nice people.

And it's horrible what they're doing. And she's in charge of it because, you know, now she's trying to say she had nothing to do with it. And she's such a liar, because she was called the border czar the first day, and it was on the headlines of every newspaper. She's the border czar. And she never even went there. She went to one location, which had nothing to do with where the problem is. You know, she went in and out, I guess, because she was getting a lot of pressure, but had nothing to do with the problem.

But she was the border czar. And you people can't allow them to get away with their disinformation campaign. Now she's trying to say that she wasn't. She wasn't really involved, and the whole thing is horrible. She was totally in charge. She could have shut the border down without him. He didn't know what he was doing anyways. He wouldn't have even known what happened. You could shut the border down, he wouldn't even know the difference.

But the fact is that she was. Borders are. But you don't have to call her that. The fact is you could just call her. She was in charge of the border and the border was the worst ever.

It's simply not working.

No, it's horrible.

Whether. Whether it's by. Whether it's by whether it's a question of intention or competence. Either way, we don't have a secure border and we have people streaming over like it looks like a World War Z zombie apocalypse at times. And you know, sometimes you got to sort of wonder like, is it real or not? So I, you know, because you see things, you're like, is it real? So I went to the border at Eagle Pass and I saw for myself in Texas and I was like, okay, it's real.

I'm like seeing this in real time. I actually posted the video like just live. I just, I just flew there one day and just to see, hey, is this, is this, is this made up or real? And I'm just seeing people stream across the border. And I have to say, you know, at least the people that I saw did not look friendly. You know, these are people can look at my video and say, hey, you know, these people look friendly. I don't look super friendly.

So these are people that. Elon would not be the same man if he had to walk across the street and look these people in the eye. These are rough people. These are really rough people coming across. And I know rough people. And these are people that we don't want in our country. And you know, the caravans are coming in and they're putting and who's doing this? As the heads of the countries. And you would be doing it and so would I.

And everyone say, oh, what a terrible thing to say. The fact is it's brilliant for them because they're taking all of their bad people, really bad people. And I hate to say this, the reason the numbers are much bigger than you would think is they're also taking their non productive people. Now these aren't people that will kill you. We have enough of them. But these are people that are non productive. They are just not productive.

I mean, for whatever reason, they're not workers or they don't want to work or whatever. And these countries are getting rid of non productive people. In the caravans, in many cases. And they're also getting rid of their murderers and their drug dealers and the people that are really brutal people, and they're coming into our country at levels that have never been seen before. And I saw an ad. Just before I got on the ad, I'm.

I'm walking over here, and I saw an ad by Kamala saying how she is going to provide border security. Where has she been for three and a half years? For three and a half years?

Yeah. No, no, this is just 20 million people.

It's a terrible.

Yeah. I think this. Frankly, I think this is a fundamental existential issue for the United States. And if we have another four more years of open borders and it's going to be even worse. With another four more years, it's going to be even worse than it's been for the past three and a half years. I'm not sure we've got a country.

You don't have a country, Elon. If they get in, you will have 50 to 60 million people from all over the world. Not South America only. You know, we think of South America, we think of Honduras and El Salvador, Guatemala and Mexico, you know, the four. But it's not that. It's everywhere. They're coming in from everywhere. And I had to stay in Mexico.

This is a. This is a super important point. Like, people. It's like. Well, basically, when I went down there, I was like, well, where are people from? It's like. It's like almost no one was from Mexico.

No Mexico.

It's just the border. It's just the border with Mexico. But the people coming in, it's. It's. It's Earth, the rest of Earth. And America is only, you know, about 4, 4 or 5% of the population of Earth. It would only take a few percent of the rest of Earth to overwhelm everything.

We're already overwhelmed, Elon. We're overwhelmed. You had to see the news tonight about New York. New York. And I love that place. And what they're doing to it is horrible, what they're doing to it. And all the courts do is they try and focus on Trump. Okay, let's focus on Trump, who did nothing wrong. I complain about our rigged election, Elon. What's happened is unbelievable. You have from Africa, from the Congo.

They're coming from the Congo. And 22 people came in from the Congo recently, and they're murderers. And they're dropped. They drop them. They take them out of jails, which is very expensive, you know, to maintain the jails, although they don't do too much maintaining, I can tell you. But they take them out of jails, prisons, they take them out and they bring them to the United States. They deposit them in the United States and say, don't ever come back or you're going to be executed.

And they don't want to come back, but they won't come back. But they're coming from Africa, they're coming from Asia, they're coming from the Middle east, they're coming from South America. They're coming from basically and there are a lot of really bad ones.

It's just an everywhere on earth thing. And it's just not possible for the United States to absorb, you know, everyone from Earth or, you know, even a few percent of the rest of earth is just not possible.

Well, we're going to have to finish this up. We're going to have the largest deportation in history of this country and we have no choice otherwise we're going to have a country what they're, what they've done to our country. Think of it with, with, you know, in Venezuela and in some of these other countries, crime is down 50, 60, 70, 80%. And you would be the same. You would have, you would. Yeah. I'll tell you what, Venezuela has not gotten rid of all of them.

They've gotten rid of about 70% of their really bad people. Their jails are about 50% put into the United States. Same with other countries. Some are at 30%, some are at 50%. They're all different. But the bottom line is they're all going to be at 100%. Why wouldn't you put 100%? Yeah, and they're doing it right now while there's third rate phony candidate. Don't forget, I beat, I beat Biden. He failed in the debate miserably.

And you know, some people said, oh gee, it's too bad, it's too bad he did so badly or I did well in the debate. You know, the first night they said, wow, one of the people at CNN said that was the greatest debate performance I've ever witnessed. And then two days later they didn't talk about that. They just said he was bad. But that's okay. That's the way I get treated and I don't mind that at all. What I can tell you is this.

We cannot have a Democrat. We cannot have her. She's incompetent. She's as bad as Biden in a different, she hasn't done an interview since this whole scam started and. And say what you want. This was a coup. This was a coup of a president of the United States. He didn't want to leave. And they said, we can do it the nice way or we can do it the hard way. Yeah.

I mean, they just took him out back behind the shed and basically shot him.

Oh, what they did with this guy, and I'm no fan of his, and he was a horrible president, the worst president in history. And one of the reasons he was so bad, first of all, the Israeli attack would have never happened. Russia would never have attacked Ukraine, and we'd have no inflation and we wouldn't have had the Afghanistan mess, if you think of it, and we wouldn't have had Afghanistan. But we think of it, you take a few of those events away and we have a different world.

We would also have. No inflation was caused by oil.

Yeah. I think you make an excellent point here, which is that when other countries that are thinking about invading or doing bad things, when they're thinking about that, they're thinking about, okay, what's the American President going to do? And do they fear the American president, or is it someone they do not respect and do not fear? And I think they do. They would rightfully be. I mean, you know, look at that. The footage of the assassination.

They're like, okay, you know, President Trump is like, don't mess with me. I mean, that's like. Whereas I think people are not going to be. And they obviously have not been at all intimidated by Biden, and they certainly will not be intimidated by Kamala. And you have to really think about in the context of global security, that's. That's that if the, if the American president is someone, someone that, like, you know, evil dictators are scared of, that makes a huge difference to the security of the world.

So I had a good relationship with Putin, despite the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax that lasted for over two years. Just a hoax created by Hillary Clinton and Adam Shifty. Schiff. Some just bad people, you know, just sick people, frankly. I mean, Schiff is a sick person. He's going to end up probably being a senator. It's hard to believe. The whole thing is hard to believe. But, you know, they put our country in danger with that stuff, too.

They actually, when they make up stories and you have to fight your way out of it for a long time. But I know Putin very well. I got along with him very well. He respected me, and it's just one of those things. And he would. We would talk a lot about Ukraine. It was the apple of his eye. But I said, don't ever do it. Don't ever do it. You know, I shut down Nord Stream, too. That was the big oil pipeline, the biggest, I think the biggest pipeline in the world, going all over Europe.

I shut it down. Biden came, and then they say, you know, I was. I loved Russia. I was a friend of Putin, and I loved Russia. Now, he actually said to me one time, he said, if you're my friend, I'd hate to see you as an enemy. I shut down his pipeline, the biggest pipeline. They were looking at that fund, and this. This pathetic president gets in there, and the first thing he did, one of the early things he did, is he shut down.

He. He shut down Keystone XL pipeline, which is our pipeline that would have employed 48,000 people, pipeline workers, shuts it down. That was, you know, a massive job that Obama refused to allow. I allowed it in my first week because it was jobs, and it moved oil. And by the way, in a much more environmentally friendly way, it's underground. It's not a truck that catches on fire or a train that catches on fire. But think of it.

He shut down the XL pipeline, the Keystone XL pipeline. He shuts that down, and he approves the Russian pipeline.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It's like. It's inconsistent, certainly, the. But I mean, I think it's just worth emphasizing to, you know, to listeners, the. That the immense importance of. Of whether the United States president is intimidating or not intimidating and how much that matters to global security, because there's some real tough characters out there, and if they don't think the American president is tough, they will do what they want to do.

I know every one of them, and that puts that. That.

It puts the whole world in danger. Elon. I know every one of them, and I know him well. I know Putin, I know President Xi. I know Kim Jong Un of North Korea. I know every one of them. And let me tell you, people will say, oh, this is terrible. He said, I'm not saying anything good or bad. They're at the top of their game. They're tough, they're smart, they're vicious, and they're going to protect their country. Whether they love their country, they probably do.

It's just a different form of love. But they're going to protect their country. But these are tough people at the top of their game. And when they see a Kamala or when they see Biden Sleepy Joe, they can't even believe it. They can't believe this happened. All this stuff that you're seeing now, all the horror that you look at Israel, they're all waiting for an attack from Iran. Iran would not be attacking, believe me.

You know, when I was there, and I say it with respect, because I think we would have been good with Iran. I don't want to do anything bad to Iran, but they knew not to mess around. Iran was broke. Because I told China, if you buy from Iran oil, it's all about the oil. That's where the money is. But if you buy oil from Iran, you're not going to do any business with the United States. And I meant it. And they said, we'll pass.

They didn't buy oil. Other countries likewise. You want to buy. You're not doing business with the United States. And they were at a point where they had no money for Hamas, they had no money for Hezbollah, they had no money for any of these instruments of terror. And it was amazing. In fact, there were articles when I was leaving, which is hard to believe, actually, especially when you look at what's happened to our country.

Our country is so bad right now. It's such a different place. We were respected. Think of it, four years ago, we were so respected to a point where when I said, don't buy oil, they didn't buy oil, but they had no money, and Israel would have never been attacked. Zero chance. And again, I said to Vladimir Putin, I say, don't do it. You can't do it, Vladimir. You do it. It's going to be a bad day. You cannot do it. And I told him things that.

What I do. And he said, no way. And I said, way. And, you know, it's the last time we ever had the conversation. He would. He would never have done. I got along well with him. I hope to get along well with them again. You know, getting along well with them is a good thing, not a bad thing. I got along well with Kim Jong Un. When I met with President Obama just before entering, you know, it's sort of a ritual. And I sat down with him and we talked.

It was supposed to be for a very short period of time. Turned out to be a long period of time. I said, what's the biggest problem? He said, north Korea. I had that problem worked out very quickly. It was nasty at the beginning with Rocket man and, you know, all the different things, but all of a sudden I got.

Those were some epic tweets, by the way.

Yeah, they were. No, they were epic. Everything he said. He said that he has a red button. On his desk. I said, I have a red button on my desk too, but my red button is much bigger and my red button works. And then I called him little rocket man of little rocket man. Anyway, here's the bottom line. All of a sudden I got a call from him and they said they want to meet, they want to meet me. And we met, as you remember, we met in Singapore.

We met also in Vietnam. And I got along with him great. We were in no danger. But President Obama, President Obama felt we were going to end up in a war, a nuclear war with him. And let me tell you, he's got a lot of nuclear stuff too. He's got plenty of nuclear, he can do plenty of damage.

So yes, I mean, it's because, you know, I mean, people like, like, you know, Kim Jong Un, they respond to strength, not weakness. Well,

if I had a good relationship, you know, remember, I remember I met him and, and we walked onto his land. Nobody ever walked onto his land before I walked on. I wouldn't say, let's bring up Secret Service again. I wouldn't say they were thrilled when I did that. I walked onto his land and it was, it was an amazing period. But we were not in danger with him because of me. You know, I always say that we have enemies on the outside and we have enemies on the inside.

We have some really bad people in our government and people that are, and controlling of the people. I mean, I mentioned names, but I don't, I really don't want to give them the credit, but we have some really bad. And I say they're more dangerous than Russia and China. If you have a smart president, a president that gets it, we are not in danger from those countries because they need us and they need our help. I mean, we forced Obama, if you think about it, Obama and Biden and Bush, to a certain extent, in all fairness, forced Russia and China together.

And if you're a history student, the first thing you learn is you cannot let Russia and China align. But then they also got, if you take a look, Iran and they have North Korea. That's, you know, they call it the access of evil. In the old days you had the access of evil. Here we have a modern day access of evil. These are powerful countries, very heavy nuclear, which is the biggest threat. You know, the biggest threat is not global warming where the ocean is going to rise 1, 1/8th of an inch over the next 400 years.

The big. And you'll have more, you'll have more oceanfront property. Right. The biggest threat is not that the biggest threat is nuclear warming, because we have five countries now that have significant nuclear power. And we have to not allow anything to happen with stupid people like Biden. You know, Biden did something with Russia. There was no chance of him ever going in. And when I left, and then, then after I left, they started forming big armies on there, on the border with Ukraine, right?

And I looked at that, and I thought he was doing that because Putin's a good negotiator. I thought he was doing that to negotiate. But then Biden started saying such stupid things. For instance, he said that it can be a NATO country. Now, Putin, Russia, for as long as there's been, NATO has said we're never going to agree to that. And we go right up front and say that. And we did things and said things through this president with a low IQ, very low IQ.

He had a low IQ 30 years ago, by the way, but now he might not even have a IQ at all. There is no. There's nothing on the board that goes as low. He said things that were so stupid that that war would have been. That war had zero chance of happening if I were there. Zero chance. He was saying everything the opposite. Everything, the opposite. And it's so sad because many more people have been killed in Ukraine than you read about.

You don't read about how bloody it is and how desert. Hey, look, just in the two armies, you lost a half a million people. And Ukraine's having a hard time. Ukraine, I don't know if you saw the article recently. And it's true, you don't hear the true story. But if you think about it, Russia's gone. You know, Russia defeated Germany with us, and they defeated Napoleon. You know, they've been around a long time. They're a big fighting force, and it's very unfair.

And Ukraine now doesn't have enough men. They're now using young men and very old men to fight. And we're in a very bad position. And I'm not going to blame exclusively, but I can tell you I could have stopped that. And a smart president could have stopped that. It wouldn't have happened. But we had. We had a man that actually made. Made it more prevalent. It was so bad, the words that he was using, the stupid threats coming from a stupid face that he was using.

I said, this guy's going to cause us a war. He's going to cause us. And let me tell you, it can lead to World War iii. That can lead to World War iii. The Middle east can lead to. We have numerous places that could end up in World War III right now for no reason whatsoever.

I think you're right. I think people underrate the risk of World War Three. And it's just when looking at the risk of global thermonuclear warfare, it's game over for humanity. And it's something that people have. I think after the end of the Cold War, people have become complacent about, but they actually have forgotten that there are currently a lot of nuclear missiles that have targeting parameters for the United States, other countries.

And one of the things we're going to do is we're going to build an Iron Dome over us. You know, Israel has it. We're going to have the best Iron Dome in the world. We need it, and we're going to make it all in the United States. But we're going to have. We're going to have protection because it just takes one maniac to, you know, start something. We're going to have protection and we're going to have. Why shouldn't we have an Iron Dome?

Israel has one. Some other places have one that nobody even knows about, frankly. But Israel has it. We're going to have an Iron Dome. But, you know, with all of that being said, to me, that's so important. The most important. But with all of that being said, the election's coming up and the people want to hear about the economy and the fact that they can't buy groceries because they don't have enough money to buy groceries.

The inflation has killed them. Food Prices are up 50, 60, even 100% in some cases. And this stupid administration allowed this to happen. And it's a shame. You. And that's the thing that people most care about, in my opinion. They care about the border a lot. And we discuss the border at great length. It's nice to have a forum like this where I can discuss something at length. And by the way, you think Biden could do this interview?

Do you think that Kamala could do this interview? They would take a pass.

No, they could not.

So they don't need Elon. They don't need Elon screaming out questions. It's pretty sad when you think that somebody that does this for a living can't answer a question or is afraid to do an interview. And in her case, with a very friendly interview, she's got all friendly interviewers. It's pretty.

Yes.

But the big thing now is the economy, Elon. And as much as. Yeah, I mean, I view nuclear is the single most important thing, but a lot of people don't. A lot of people don't understand that. But it doesn't have to. If I understand that, that's all you need. Because if I was president, you're not going to have that kind of a problem. But the thing that they really is making them angry is what Kamala and Biden have allowed to happen to the economy.

It's a disaster with inflation, the inflation, it doesn't matter what you make. The inflation has eaten you alive. If you're a worker or if you're a just a middle income person, you can't afford. You know, four years ago, five years ago, people were saving a lot of money. Today they're using all their money and borrowing money just to live. It's a horrible thing that's happening and we'll end that quickly.

Well, I think a lot of, yeah, a lot of people just don't understand where inflation comes from. Inflation comes from government overspending because the checks never bounce when it's written by the government. So if the government spends far more than it brings in, that increases the money supply. And if the money supply increases faster than the rate of goods and services, that's inflation. So, so really we need to have, we need to reduce our government spending and we need to re examine, I think, I think we need like a government efficiency commission to say like, hey, where are we spending money that's sensible.

Where is it not sensible? And, and we need to live within our means. We're currently adding I think a trillion dollars to the deficit every, roughly every hundred days. And you know, the interest payments on the national debt have now exceed the defense budget. It's on the order of a trillion dollars. It's interest and it's, and it keeps, it keeps growing.

I rebuilt our military, largely rebuilt our military, did a great job on it, which was so important. You know, we had jets, we had fighters that were, and bombers that were 70 years old. And we did a great job in that. Then we, by the way, then we gave 85 billion of it back to Afghanistan, if you can believe it. We gave them 85 billion. You know, they're one of the largest sellers of military equipment in the world.

They're selling what we gave them. That was one of the most embarrassing days in the history of our country. But if you think about, let's go back to the, the economy, we have to bring energy prices down. Energy started at the price of gasoline. Now your cars don't require too much gasoline. So you know, you're, you Have a good. And you do make a great product, I have to say, I have to be honest with you. That doesn't mean everybody should have an electric car.

But these are minor details. But your product is incredible. But the gasoline, Elon, is the cost of energy, not only gasoline. It's the cost of heating your house and cooling your house that has to come down. It's gone up 100%, 150 and 200%. And that has to come down. When that comes down and we're going to drill, baby, drill. They stopped drilling and then they went back to drilling because they went back to the Trump policy.

But if they won, the day after they get into office, we're going to. This country will go out of business because they're going to go to an energy policy that's not sustainable. Wind and different things. You're not going to have anything. And I know you're a big fan of the AI, and I have to say that AI, and this is shocking to me, but I requires twice the energy that the country already produces for everything. So you're going to have to build.

We're going to have to build a lot of energy if our country will be competitive with China, because that's our primary competitor for this on the air. You need a lot of electricity. You're going to need tremendous electricity, like almost double what we produce now for the whole country, if you can believe it. Sure.

Well, just going back to this, like this basic thing which that people try to make it sound complicated, but it's not. But inflation is caused by government overspending.

Would you agree that we need to take a look at government spending and have perhaps a government efficiency commission that just tries to make the spending sensible and so the country lives within its means, just like. Just like a person.

The waste is incredible. And it's. Nobody negotiates prices. You used to have a lot of people making jets and you end up with two companies and they'll probably try and merge at some point. I mean, I went through it like Air Force, just a thing like Air Force One. One of the first documents they asked me to sign, a general auction. Sir, would you please sign this document? What is it? Air Force One. That's with Boeing, which is basically two planes to 747, and the price was $5.7 billion for two planes.

Now, they're highly sophisticated. They're even nicer than your plan. Okay. But much more sophisticated. They're very. I won't say what's on it, but they got a lot of Stuff on it anyway. But it's 5.7.

Listen, that's a crazy number.

It's a crazy number. But I said, I'm not going to pay 5.7, I'm not going to do it. I said, who made the deal? Obama and his people. I said, well then I know the deal's no good. I'm not going to do it. And over a course of about four weeks, by my saying I'm not going to do it, I got the price reduced by $1.6 billion for the exact same plane. Other than we had a nicer paint job, if you want to know the truth. But for the exact same plane I got, I saved one.

And I said to Boeing, man, you guys must make a lot of money if you can reduce the price by that. But now what I do hear is that they're going back to the Biden administration and wanting big cost overruns, you know, because they see these dopey suckers in there and they'll end up getting some of the money back. But I saved it by $1.6 billion for the exact same plan. And you can now take that and multiply that out times thousands of other items multiplied by the numbers are astronomical.

I agree with you.

Well, I mean, if so, so, I mean, I mean, I think it would be great to just have a government efficiency commission that takes a look at these things and just ensures that the taxpayer money, the taxpayers hard earned money is spent in a good way.

And I'd be happy to help out on such a commission. I'd love it if it were formed.

Well, you're the greatest cutter. I mean, I look at what you do, you walk in and you just say you want to quit? They go on strike. I won't mention the name of the company, but they go on strike and you say, that's ok, you're all gone. You're all gone. So every one of you is gone. And you are the greatest. You would be very good. Oh, you would love it. But you know, if you look at Argent, well, I'd be happy. Yeah. By the way, congratulations.

I just looked at the number of people that are listening to you and I chat, we'll call it a chat. But congratulations. This is very, I mean it's great, it's. And, and you're an interesting character. You know, the new head of a place called Argentina. And he was, he's a big, you know, he's great. And he's a big MAGA fan, you know that he ran on Maga and he Took it to an extreme, too. He ran on maga, and I hear he's doing really a terrific job.

It's called Make Argentina Great Again. It worked out perfectly. He came in, he bought a lot of hats he brought over, but he's. He's doing a big job. He really cut. And I'm hearing they're starting to do pretty well. Inflation's getting down. You know, they had like 2000%. They had inflation like, like not normal inflation. They had the real deal. But we're going to have that pretty soon. We have. I think we have the worst inflation we've had in 100 years.

They say it's 48 years. I don't believe it. I think we have the worst. They don't include a lot of the items that should be included, you know.

Yeah, well, it's just from. From government overspending and not just not spending taxpayer money effectively and having just so many departments, you can't even name them all. And what Milei is doing is he's cutting government spending, he's simplifying things, he's putting in regulations that make sense.

And Argentina overnight is experiencing a giant improvement in prosperity. But it's also a lesson for the United States, which is that Argentina used to be one of the most prosperous countries in the world, you know, in the. In the 30s, 40s, and because of bad government policy, it ruined the country. And if you take Venezuela, for example. Venezuela should be incredibly prosperous. They have, you know, phenomenal reserves of everything, oil, everything.

And it should be prosperous. But if the government's wrong, it impoverishes the people.

And.

And so I think we should not be complacent in the United States in thinking that and taking our prosperity for granted. Because if with bad government policy, we can run the country into the ground. And that's just something people should bear in mind. Don't take prosperity for granted.

Well, think of education. So we're ranked at the bottom of every list of the top 40. We're ranked number 40, number 38. Norway, Switzerland, Sweden. Different countries are ranked good. Actually, China's pretty close to the top. There are top six or seven, but we're ranked at the bottom, almost at the bottom. 38, 39, 40. In other words, horrible. And yet we spend more per pupil than any other country in the world. So we spend more.

And what I'm going to do, one of the first acts, and this is where I need an Elon Musk. I need somebody that has a lot of strength and courage and smarts. I Want to close up Department of Education, move education back to the states where states like Iowa, where states like Idaho, you know, not every state will do great because states that basically aren't doing good. Now you look at Gavin Newscomb, the governor of California, he's terrible.

He does a terrible job. So he's not going to do great with education. But of the 50, I would bet that 35 would do great. And 15 of them, or you know, 20 of them will be as good as Norway. You know, Norway is considered great. You can name them. I mean, just, they're so good. Some of these countries are so good. But if, if you go into some of these really well run states, you know, we have states that don't know what debt is.

We have states that are, have low taxes, no debt, everybody work. You know, they're really well run and maybe they have certain advantages in terms of location, in terms of, you know, the land or the sun. The sun and the water and the whole thing. You know, there are a lot of advantages that some people have. But if you moved education back to the 50, you'll have some that won't do well, but you'll have. But they'll actually be forced to do better because it'll be a pretty bad situation.

But if you think about it, yeah, you'll have some of these states. I'll bet you'd have 30, 35 states. It'll be much better. And you know what, it'll cost less than half what it is in, in Washington. And these people don't care about the students in these, you know, faraway states. And it will be, it'd be unbelievable.

Yeah, I think you're making a good point in that if the states have to, have to, if each individual, if each state has to compete against other states, then, then people will naturally move to states where it's better.

Well, like California. You know, as we said, it's a badly run state. I could go through. I got so many friends that are in those states, even if they're Democrats. I hate to mention certain states, but Illinois is badly run with Pritzker. He's a, he's a real loser. But, but you know, some of these places are just badly run. But you know, it's almost going to force them to run better and they won't do good initially but, but you're not going to do worse than you're doing right now.

And I would say that the cost, you would cut your cost by 50 or 60% and you'd have a little monitor you know, you want to make sure they're teaching English as an example. You know, give us a little English. Right, sure. Right.

No, no, I mean, I mean, I mean some of these governors are like, are doing so badly. I mean they got so many people moving out of their state. They should, they should get U Haul salesman of the year award because they're driving so much U Haul. It's actually amazing people, people moving out.

Isn't it amazing to you as a businessman that they can even survive like Illinois. So many people are leaving and you wonder how do they survive? I mean, how do they survive?

I saw where you left California and you moved to Texas. Texas does a great job. But you know, I mean, I just wonder how do these states survive when big businesses, a big oil company just left California, as you know, and they moved to Texas. How do these big states survive when they lose so many businesses and their taxes are already really high? You know, the taxes are among the highest taxes. You almost wonder how do they, how do they continue on?

And in many cases the governors don't do a good job in their crime ridden places. You wonder how do they continue to just go on? It's, it's not, it's not a good situation.

I mean, I think the thing that's the only thing that's going to force some of these states to change is if they risk bankruptcy and they're not getting bailed out by the federal government.

Right? Well, that's the only thing that's going

to get them changed.

You remember the area in California where they had that, where I guess somebody had sticky fingers and they stole a lot of money and they went into a form of chapter and it was very nasty for a period of time, but now it's probably the most popular place in all of California. So. So, you know, at some point something like that may have to happen. But the problem is you can't penalize people that loan money to the state when you have incompetent people like a Pritzker.

Look, the family didn't want him in the family business and then he ends up being governor of Illinois. So you know, what is he going to be? Is he going to be a great governor? And you know, you have people, I could name every one of them. I got to know every one of these and some are very good and some are just horrible.

Well, I think that, I mean that larger point here too, as you're saying, like the, you know, a lot of people are concerned about the economy, A lot of people concern about Inflation. And inflation is effectively a tax on people that save money. And for people that are working day to day, it's just a form of taxation. And if we can solve the government spending problem, we'll solve the inflation problem, which means people will have a better standard of living.

And that's a really big deal.

The people that got hurt worse are the people that did it the way they were taught to do it all through their younger life and their young life and their whole life. The people that saved money and then they got no interest on their money and inflation destroyed them. And frankly, they were almost better off if they didn't do anything like that. I mean, those people have been absolutely decimated. And we're going to bring those people back and help those people.

We've got to get the prices down. You know, when I look at bacon costing five, four or five times more than it did a few years ago, when you look at some of the food products and grocery stores, people go, they can't believe it. They used to be able to buy a whole cart. And today, you know, a lot of people just don't have the money. They go in and they can't buy anything they look at. Yeah, it's sticker shock. They call it sticker shock.

Right.

I think it really just comes, like I said, I think it just comes down to really, I guess, really two things, which is that if you solve government overspending, you solve inflation, which improves living standards of the average person. And then if you deregulate, like, have sensible regulations, so. Because a lot of the regulations are nonsensical and cause the cost to be extreme for no reason and. But unless you've got effective deregulation, like Reagan did a great job on deregulation in the 80s, but it's been 40 years since we hadn't anyone really.

I mean, during your administration, we made some progress, but I think the opportunity to make, I think, radical progress with sensible regulations and. Well, Elon, those two things. Yeah, those are the big deal.

We set a record. We set a. We did more deregulation and more restrictions on all of the different businesses than any other president. I remember I had the rule for everyone we put in, you have to get rid of 10 or 12. And we did radical cuts on all of that. And a lot of that's being put back by this administration. And we did radical cuts and things that weren't necessary, but we were all set. You know, we had the best economy ever, maybe in the world.

And then what happened is Covid came in and we had a focus on that and nobody knew what it was. And I always say I got good marks on economy, good marks on military. We knocked out isis. We did so many different things. We rebuilt. But you know, I never got the credit that we really deserved on what we did with, with COVID We never got the credit, but we were. If had that not happened, a gift from China, from Wuhan came in from Wuhan, the Wuhan Labs.

And I always said it and it turned out to be right. But had that not, had that not happened, we were set to start reducing debt, we were going to reduce taxes further. I gave the largest tax cuts and we were going to reduce taxes still further for middle income people, not only businesses, but we did it for businesses because they're the ones that, that's why we had the great job numbers. But we were set to really start reducing debt.

And you know, we're sitting on the biggest pile of liquid gold anywhere in the world. Bigger than Saudi Arabia, bigger than Russia. And we were going to drill and we were going to make so much money. We were going to supply Europe with oil. I had stopped the Russian pipeline and we were going to supply them with oil and gas. We were going to, we were going to make a fortune. And then the COVID came in and we really had to divert.

Then what happened is when they came in, you know, we kept a lot of businesses alive. If I didn't do what we did, we would have had a 1929 type depression. But the problem is when Biden came in, he got trillions of dollars and just started spending it stupidly, you didn't need it anymore. You know, we got over that bad period where it was, everybody was dying and you know, it was, it was just not a good period. Interestingly, you know, during his administration, many more people died during his administration of COVID than during my administration.

And we really got the brunt of it. But people don't realize more people died during his administration than ours. But it diverted us from doing what I wanted to do. But we had the greatest for, you know, almost three years, we had the great. And you know that probably better than anybody. So many of your friends said to me the best years we've ever had in business were during the Trump years and also said that African American, Hispanic American were so incredible.

They were having the best Asian American, women, men, young people without a diploma, young people that graduated from the best colleges from, from mit, from the Wharton School, from all of the great colleges, Harvard, they were doing better and People without a diploma were doing better and everybody was happy. And then Covid came and we had. The problem is they spent trillions and trillions of dollars they wasted.

They shouldn't have taken any money and we wouldn't be having inflation right now, which is killing our country.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I should probably say something about, like, you know, maybe my views on, you know, climate change and oil and gas, because I think I'm probably different from what most people would assume, because my views are actually pretty, I think, moderate in this regard, which is that I don't think we should vilify the oil and gas industry and the people that have worked very hard in those industries to provide the necessary energy to support the economy.

And if we were to stop using oil and gas right now, we would all be starving and the economy would collapse. So it's, you know, I don't think it's right to sort of vilify the oil and gas industry. And I, you know, the world has a certain demand for oil and gas, and it's probably better if the United States provides that than some other countries, and it would help with prosperity in the US and at the same time, obviously, my view is like, we do, over time, want to move to a sustainable energy economy because eventually you do run out of.

I mean, you run out of oil and gas. It's not there for. It's not infinite. And there is. There is some risk. I think it's not. The risk is not as. As high as, you know, a lot of people say it is with respect to global warming. But I think if you just keep increasing the parts per million in the atmosphere long enough, eventually it actually simply gets uncomfortable to breathe. People don't realize this. If you go past 1000 parts per million of CO2, you start getting headaches and nausea.

And so we're now in the sort of 400 range. We're adding, I think, about roughly 2 parts per million per year. So, I mean, still gives us. So what it means is like, we still have quite a bit of time, but. But. So there's not. Like, we don't need to rush and we don't need to, like, you know, stop farmers from farming or, you know, prevent people from having steaks or basic stuff like that. Like, like leave the farmers alone.

I agree.

How crazy is that? Where, I mean, you have farmers that are not allowed to farm anymore and have to get rid of their cattle and the whole, the whole world is a little crazy, but it's largely taken its lead from Us, I do say, though, I've heard in terms of the fossil fuel, because even to create your electric car and create the electricity needed for the electric car, you know, fossil fuel is what really creates that at the generating plants.

And you know, so you sort of can't get away from it at this moment. I mean, someday you might be able to. But I do hear we have anywhere from 100 to 500 years left. You know, much of it hasn't even been found yet. Yeah, but there are tremendous, like anwr. I got ANWR in Alaska approved. Ronald Reagan couldn't do it. Nobody could do it. Everybody tried. Nobody could do it. I got it approved. The first thing that Biden did was unimprove it to get rid of it.

He ended it. His, his secretary went in and she ended it and what a, what a disgrace. That's Anwar. That's bigger. Or they, they think it could be bigger than Saudi Arabia in Alaska, could be bigger than Saudi Arabia. But they went in and they terminated it. And I'll get it going very quickly because not only is it big for Alaska, I mean, you talk about economic development that for the United States, I mean that, that is, they say bigger than Saudi Arabia or the same size and pure really good stuff.

And you know, they end it. So I think we have, you know, perhaps hundreds of years left. Nobody really knows. But during that, during that time will come around. That will be very good.

Yeah, well, I mean, my estimate would be, you know, a little more aggressive than that. But it's not the sort of like we're all going to die in five years stuff. That's obviously B.S. but I mean, my view is like if you just look at sort of the parts per million that increments every year, you know, you get sort of two or three parts per million every year of CO2.

I mean, I think some of that, it's problematic if it accelerates if you start going from two or three to say five. And then there may be some situations where you get a step change increase in the CO2. And I think we don't want to get too close to 1000 ppm because that's actually makes it uncomfortable to breathe. Like just existing in 1000ppm. CO2 is uncomfortable. That's considered like an industrial hazard. Just so, so it's, you know, that's actually still getting headaches and stuff.

So it's. Even without global warming, it's not, it's not comfortable to live. So you don't want to get too close to that. But I mean, I think we've got, I think we want to just move over. Like if, if, I don't know, 50 to 100 years from now, we're, we're, we're, I don't know, mostly sustainable. I think that'll probably be okay. So it's not like the house is on fire immediately, but I think it is something we need to move towards.

And on balance, it's probably better to move there faster than slower. But like I said, without vilifying the oil and gas industry and without causing hardship in the short term, I think this can be done without, people can still have, you know, a stake and they can still drive gasoline cars and they, you know, it's, it's, it's okay. It's like, it's not, I don't think we should vilify people for it, but I think we should just, just generally lean in the direction of sustainability.

And I actually think solar is going to be a majority of Earth's energy generation in the future and it's certainly trending that way. And so you get the solar power, mine that with, with, with batteries so, because obviously the sun doesn't shine at night and, and then you use that to charge the electric cars and you have a long term sustainable solution. And you know that that's what Tesla is trying to move things towards.

And I think we've made a lot of progress and progress in that regard. But when you look at our cars, we like, we don't believe that environmentalism, that caring about the environment should, should mean that you have to suffer. So we make sure that our cars are beautiful if they drive well, if they're fast, they're, you know, sexy. I mean, they're, they're cool. In fact, literally, I mean, the sexy joke, Model S, Model 3, Model X and Y spells out sexy is probably most expensive joke out there.

But I, you know, I just, I don't know, I like cheesy humor, you know, so, and, but, but I'm like, I'm, I'm a big fan of like, let's have an inspiring future and let's, let's work towards, you know, a better future. And we do so without demonizing.

Right. I'm okay. You know, it's very interesting. You use the word global warming and today they use the word climate change because, you know, you have some places that go up. And so they were getting themselves in a little trouble with the word global warming because not every place is warming, some places are going the opposite direction. But you know, I'M sort of waiting for you to come up with solar panels on the roofs of your cars and on the trunks of the cars.

And it just seems like something that at some point you will come up with. I'm sure you'll be the first. But it would seem that a solar panel on, on the roofs, you know, on flat surfaces, on certain surfaces might be good.

Yeah.

At least in certain areas of the country where you have the. Or the world where you have the sun. But I would, I would think, and I have no idea because that's not my world, but I would think that this would be something that would be interesting. But, you know, the one thing that I don't understand is that people talk about global warming or they talk about climate change, but they never talk about nuclear warming.

And to me, that's an immediate problem because you have, as I said, five countries where you have major nuclear and, you know, probably some others are getting there, and that's very dangerous. That's where you need a strong American president because you just, you don't want to have this proliferation. But you have five countries and getting more. You know, China is much less than us right now, but they're going to catch us sooner than people think.

They're way lower. Russia and US are number one, and we were sort of tied, and China is far behind. But they're developing at a level that, you know, you're not surprised to hear very fast. It's going to. They'll end up catching up, maybe even sarcastic. But to me, the biggest problem is not climate change. It's not. And everything's, you know, a problem, but it's degrees. To me, the big problem is the nuclear power.

The power of nuclear is so great. And when I talk about I'll prevent World War iii, I will. But. But the truth is that you have to, because this is no longer army tanks going back and forth and shooting at each other. This is a level of destruction and power that nobody's ever seen before.

Yeah. Actually there's the bad side of nuclear, which is a nuclear war, very bad side. But there's also, I think nuclear electricity generation is underrated.

You're right.

And it's actually, you know, people have this fear of nuclear electricity generation, but it's actually one of the safest forms of electricity generation. It's just a huge misunderstanding. And if you look at the injuries and deaths, you know, caused by, say, I mean, I'm not going to try to pick on coal mining, but just any kind of mining operation, and there's a certain number of injuries and deaths per year. And you compare that to nuclear, nuclear is actually way better.

So it's underrated as an electricity source. And I think it's something that's worth reconsidering. But there's so much regulation that people can't get it done. So that, you know, maybe they'll have

to change the name. The name is a rough name. There are some areas, like when you see what happened to rebrand it, we'll have to give it a good name. We'll name it after you or something. You know, hey, it has a branding problem. You know, when you see what happened.

It doesn't have a branding problem.

When you see what happened in Japan where they say you won't be able to go on the land for about 3,000 years. Did you ever see that? And in Russia, where they had the problem, where they, you know, there's a lot of bad things happened and they have a problem and they say that in 2000 years people will start to occupy the land again. You know, you realize it's pretty bad.

That's not true.

But there's. You're right about it.

It's amazing. It's actually not that bad. So, like after Fukushima happened in Japan, like people were asking me in California, you know, are we worried about like a nuclear cloud coming from Japan? I'm like, no, that's crazy. It's, it's actually, it's not even dangerous in Fukushima. I actually flew there and ate locally grown vegetables on TV to prove it. And I donated a solar water treatment, solar powered system for a water treatment plant and.

Yeah, but you haven't been feeling so well lately and I'm worried about it. No, no, but I mean, I'm only kidding. I'm fine.

You know, it's, it's like, you know, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, but now they're, they're like full cities again. So it's really not something that, you know, so it's not, it's not as scary as people think, basically.

Let's see. I mean, I mean, are there some other topics we should touch on? Oh, you know, like lawfare, I think, you know, we need to be concerned

about what they've done to this country, obviously. Yeah, yeah. Well, we just won the big case in Florida. This was a Biden administration did something that's never been done in this country and that's go after their political opponent, me, with this nonsense and just nonsense. In the big case in Florida, we won, but they've Always. They always pick a judge and a jury, and they use the local DAs. They use the local attorney generals like Fonny.

You know, fonny spelled F A N I, Fannie. And it's. It's all a big hoax, and it's all run from there. Like in Manhattan. The. One of the top people from the Justice Department went in. Ran Manhattan, ran the state. The Letitia James deal was run by a person from the Department of Justice, Biden. They've never done this before, and they set up a very bad precedent. It's. It's called lawfare warfare. It's. It's a terrible thing and never happened in our country.

It does happen in banana republics and third world countries, but it's never happened. And the incredible thing is it actually drove my numbers up because people see, you know, fortunately, I have a platform like you, or, you know, in all fairness, like a conversation like this where I can talk about it and people understand. I mean, you. You fight for election integrity and you end up getting indicted because you're fighting for election integrity.

And when the day comes that you can't fight for election integrity, you don't have a country anymore. So what happens? What happens is they went after their political opponent, me. Now Biden's, you know, close to vegetable stage, in my opinion. Okay? I looked at him today on the beach and I said, why would anybody allow him? The guy could barely walk. Why would anybody allow him? Does he have a political advisor that thinks this looks good?

You know, he thinks this looks good because it looks so bad. And it's ridiculous. I mean, and he's been doing that for a long time. You know, he can't lift the chair. The chair weighs about 3 ounces. It's meant for children and old people to lift, and he can't lift it. The whole thing is crazy.

Well, it's clearly. I mean, it's clearly like we just don't have a president.

You don't have a president. And she's going to be worse than him because he is a San Francisco liberal who destroyed San Francisco. And then as attorney general, she destroyed California. You talk about location and we're talking about the sun and the water and all. There's nothing better than California. She has destroyed that. She was the original da. She was the original in San Francisco. She was the original attorney general in California.

What she has done to California is. Well, you know better than I do. You just left California for a lot of those reasons. And what she's done with. With crime, with. With cashless bail, where you kill somebody. I mean, we have states there. You kill somebody, and they let you out right away. I mean, you don't have to even put up. And then they never find the people unless they kill again and then they let them out again.

Our country is becoming a very dangerous place. And she is a radical left San Francisco liberal, and now she's trying to protect. Now she's looking like she's. She wants to be more Trump than Trump, if that's possible. I don't think it's possible, but she wants to be more Trump than Trump. Yeah, I want a wall. I think that's, you know, she wants to release all the prisoners that are in detention. And some of these guys are really bad.

Right.

That just came out today. She wants. She doesn't want to build the wall, even though the walls work. Walls and wheels, you know, in your business, everything you do is obsolete. Almost. Well, not the tunnels, but everything is obsolete. Even your rocket ships are like, a month later, they're obsolete. You find a better way to. The only thing that's not obsolete is a wall and a wheel and the wall. You know, I built hundreds of miles of wall, and that's why we had such good numbers.

I was going to add 200 miles. We bought it. We could have flipped it. Flipped it up in three weeks, and they sold it for 5 cents on the dollar. That meant. I said, wow, that means that they actually do want to have open borders. She wants to have open borders, and now she's going like she's tough on the border. It's such a lie.

Yeah. This is certainly not true. This is certainly not true.

And everybody knows it's certainly not true. It's a disgrace that she can say it.

No, I mean, obviously what's happening sort of overnight is they're rewriting history and making Kamala sound like a moderate, when in fact, she is far left.

Like, far, far left worse than Bernie Sanders. She is considered more liberal by far than Bernie Sanders. She's a radical left lunatic. And if she's going to be our president very quickly, you're not going to have a country anymore. And she'll go back to all of the things that she believes in. She believes in defunding the police. She believes in no fracking zero. Now all of a sudden, she's saying, no, I will. I really want to see fracking.

The day that if they got in, the day she got in, she'll end fracking. And by the way, if people didn't think that the lunatics that really believe in that they won't vote for her, you know, like. Like the Palestinians and Israel. She is so anti Israel, and she's bad for both. Biden actually did something that was impossible. Both sides hate him, you know. Both sides. That was a hard thing to do. Unification.

Yeah. No, no, I mean. I mean, you know, Netanyahu came to give a talk to a joint Senate and House sitting, and I was there, and Kamala stood him up. You know, what does that say?

I think it's highly disrespectful. And I say if you're a Jewish person or if you believe in Israel, if you're a person that you know is a very pro Israel, if you vote for her, it's worse than Biden, and Biden was bad. But if you vote for her, you ought to have your head examined. And you see, tonight, I mean, as we're doing this, I'm seeing reports coming that they expect an attack tonight or tomorrow from hundreds and maybe thousands of rockets.

You know, their Iron Dome, as they call it, as we all call it. But their shield that they built, that can be swamped. We'll use a term that's appropriate. Swamped. But they swamp it by shooting enough missiles. You know this better than anybody. By shooting enough missiles, they can't defend themselves. You know, they just obliterate the whole place. And that's what some people think they're looking to do. And we have no leadership.

There's no respect for the United States of America with these people. And I'm telling you, you'll be worse than him because he's a believer in being radical left, and he wasn't.

I think you're right. I mean, really, it's important for the. For the public that may be listening to this to say. To look at Kamala's track record, you know, before the last, like, month, and say, is that a track record you agree with? And I think if you're an independent moderate, you definitely would not agree with it, because it is. Her behavior has been far left, and we're seeing just an overnight propaganda attempt to rewrite history and make it sound like Kamala's moderate when she, in fact, is not moderate.

Well, her running mate approved signed into legislation tampons in boys bathrooms. Okay, now that's all I have to hear. Tampons in boys bathrooms. And that means she believes in that, too. I mean, she picked this guy because he was the closest to her. A lot of people thought she'd pick sort of the opposite, but she picked an anti Israel, radical left person. But she is far worse, they say, than Bernie Sanders. If we have her as a president, if we have a Democrat at this moment as a president, I don't think our country can survive.

I think it's. I think it's a massive. I think we're in massive trouble, frankly, with the Kamala administration. And that's my honest opinion. And I think really, it's essential that you win for the good of the country for this election. And I mean, that's understating my opinion. Now, you know, you may have seen this, but I got a letter from the EU commission, like, saying, you know, to not have disinformation on, like, during this discussion that we're having.

Like, and, you know, there's like, there's a lot of attempts to do censorship and to force censorship even on Americans from other countries. And, you know, what do you think about that?

Well, I know the European Union very well. They take great advantage of the United States in trade. As you know, we, through a different form, NATO, we protect them. And yet if you build a car in the United States, you can't sell it in Europe, you just can't sell it. It's impossible. The same thing with our farmers. Our farmers find it very difficult to do business. You know, we have a deficit with them of $250 billion, which people don't know.

It sounds so nice, the European Union, but let me tell you, they're not as tough as China, but they're bad. And I let them know it. And that's probably why they notified you. No, they don't treat our country well. We defend them, you know, with Ukraine, so we're in for 250 billion and they're in for about 71 billion. And they have the same size. If you add up the European nations that, you know, in terms of an economy, it's about the same size, wouldn't you say, as us?

And they're. And they're in much greater risk. They, they're right there. We have an ocean separating us from. In this case, the enemy would be Russia. Used to be for the Soviet Union, but let's assume they're close enough. And what happens is they're in for 70 something million, I think, I think even less than that billion. And we're in for about 250 billion. And it could be a lot higher than that. And I say, why aren't you going to equalize?

Why aren't they paying what we're paying? And they're in much more, you Know, they're. It's much more important for them because of the fact that, you know, they're right near there. I mean, they're all sort of in that location. We're not. But they should. They should. And I did it with NATO. We were. There were only seven countries that were paid up in Naito out of 28 at the time. And the United States. The United States was subsidizing NATO.

Tremendously subsidizing NATO. And I said, I went in and I said, you got to pay up. If you don't pay up, we're not going to defend you any longer. I took a lot of heat. But you know what happened? Billions and billions of dollars came flowing in.

And, yeah, I think, I think a lot of the public isn't aware of the fact that the United States pays a disproportionate share of, of the NATO

expenses and then we get taken advantage of on trade.

So think about, well, I mean, the point of NATO is defending Europe and it's, you know, it's like, then, okay, well, why. Why is the United States paying disproportionately more to defend Europe than Europe? That doesn't make sense. That's unfair. And that. That is an appropriate thing to address.

Well, you know, when you talk about cost cutting and savings and everything else, I mean, honestly, look, there's nobody that feels worse about the Ukraine situation than I do because I know it would have never happened. I know Zelensky, he was very honorable to me because when they went with the Russia hoax and they said I had a phone call with him, he said it was a perfect phone call. It was a great phone call. He could have grandstanded and, you know, said, oh, he was very threatening.

He said, no, it was a very nice phone call. I called him up to congratulate him on his win, and you end up getting impeached because these people are lunatics. You know, I was talking about the difference from the people within and the enemies on the outside. In many cases, the people from within are more dangerous for our country than the Russians and the Chinas. If you have a smart president, you're not going to have a problem with them.

You're going to make. You're going to do things.

Yeah.

Now they've taken advantage of us incredibly, but you're going to do things with the right person.

Yeah. Well, I think it's obvious that you're a believer and an advocate of free speech because during your first term as president, you were attacked relentlessly every day, often Very unfairly with false attacks. And you didn't try to shut down the media. You didn't try to inhibit their freedom of speech. And I think that says a lot.

Well, the good thing is that you and I have. And some people, very few, we can get the word out, although sometimes it's hard because they don't want to print it. You know, like. Like we're having a great conversation right now. Kamala wouldn't have this conversation. She can't, because she's not smart. You know, she's not a smart person, by the way. She can't have this conversation. And Biden, we don't even have to talk about it.

I mean, he couldn't have this conversation. He. He would have given up on the first half of a question. He would have walked out. He would have said, where am I? Where am I going? So anyway. But no, he wouldn't have this. That's true. Not a lot of people would have this conversation. But, you know, we cover a lot of territory. But the beauty is that you, you know, we can have a conversation. And yes, I'm able to get it out without.

Because I get.

This is a really big point. You can actually have a conversation with you.

Yeah, it's nice, isn't it?

And you can't have a conversation with Biden or Kamala. It's like, not. It's not possible.

So this is like talking to an npc. So it's just impossible.

But think of it. We need a man or person who's unbelievably sharp in order to stop all the nuclear danger and all the dangers that I'm talking about. And I got along with all these. You know, I got along with Kim Jong Un. We had dinner. We had everything. And he really liked me. And I got along with him really well, by the way. He's. He's the absolute boss over there. You know, a lot of people said, oh, do you think he really.

That's for sure.

Let me tell you, I saw things that you don't want to know about. He is the boss, but we had a good relationship. And he doesn't like Biden. He considers him a stupid man. He said, he's a stupid man. Well, at least he speaks his mind. But, you know, in this country, you're not sort of allowed to say it, but I guess you are. You should be allowed to say, it's true. But we need, really, we need smart people, and we need people that have an ability to lead, and she doesn't have that ability.

Can you imagine now, you know Chairman Xi very well. Can you imagine her and him negotiating or even standing together? It is. The whole concept is ridiculous. She is terrible. She is terrible. But she's getting a free ride. I saw a picture of her on Time magazine today. She looks like the most beautiful actress ever to live. I. It was a drawing and actually she looked very much like our great first lady Melania.

She didn't look like Camilla. That's right. But of course she's a beautiful woman, so we'll leave it at that, right? Yeah.

Well, you know, maybe like, I think part of what, you know, people in America wanted, You know, people in America want to, want to feel excited and inspired about the future. They want to feel like the future is going to be better than the past and that this, that America is going to do things that are greater than we've done in the past, reach new heights that make you proud to be an American and excited about the future.

They want the American dream back, you know, they want the American dream back. More important than anything else. It's like you don't have that today because the people, they've been just sucked. They see incompetent people running our, you know, the Biden thing is very interesting. People just found him to be incompetent. And when I debated him, I was like, is this for real?

It was, yeah, it was just absurd. But I think there are some grand projects that we could do. I mean, I think we could build a base on the moon, we could send American astronauts to Mars. We could build high speed connections that are more advanced than anything else in the world between our cities. So people have fast transportation. You know, it's possible to solve traffic with tunnels. You know, we already made great progress in Vegas doing that.

And, you know, and, and just do things that are exciting and inspiring and make the future feel like it's better than the past.

Well, I saw what you did in Vegas and I'll tell you, it was amazing. I, I got to see, I took a big glimpse at it and it's incredible what you, you know, it's incredible. And you could do that all over. You could do that all over. It's, you don't even need much structure, you know, assuming you're in the right areas.

No, it's, it's straightforward.

It's amazing.

So, and, and like, I think we could do some, some things that, like, like China's got incredible high speed rail between its cities, but I think it's actually possible with, with, with tunnels if, if it was deregulation with, with an ability to actually, where it's like legal to, to actually do the tunnels. Then you could have high speed tunnels that are actually better than anything else in the world for high speed transport between cities.

And that would be something that, you know, Americans can say, wow, okay, we've got something that's cooler than anyone else in the world. That's, that's the kind of thing that makes you proud to be in America.

And much safer than surface trains, where there is a danger there, you know, with people, with crazy people. It's much safer, much better. And you know, it's sad because I've seen some of the greatest trains. I find it fascinating. And I've seen the systems and how they work and the bullet trains they call them, I guess, and they go unbelievably fast, unbelievably comfortable, with no problems. And we don't have anything like that in this country.

Not even close. And it doesn't make sense that we don't. Doesn't make sense.

Yeah. I think also, like, there's, you know, kind of hopping on the excess regulation. But I think something that I think people can generally understand is that what happens with laws and regulations is that they just. There's more and more of them every year. And unless there's a process to clean them up, eventually everything becomes illegal. And that actually slows down the development of new technologies. I mean, if you take the sort of like.

I think there's room for some reform at the FDA for improving the speed with which we approve drugs that could help save lives and improve people's lives.

I worked very hard on that. You know, we got that down to the lowest number ever. And we got therapeutics approved in the FDA that people can't even believe the speed. But I took them on. I don't think they like me too much, but I got things approved and the FDA at numbers that they wouldn't believe. And you know, it's a very bureaucratic group, actually is a fine group of people in many cases. I got to know a lot of them, but I was pushing them really hard for Regeneron for so many different things that, that were really pretty amazing.

But. But the FDA takes too long. They would. It's 12 years to get a product approved. I got it down to four and I got some things done very quickly. But it's. It's really something that is going to have to be worked on because it takes too long. Just takes too long.

Yeah, it just takes too long. And it's, you end up in the same with the approval. But it just, it's just, you know, it takes years instead of something that I think could potentially take months. That improves people's lives, I think, you know, but I just wanted to harp on this point that like there has to be an active process for reducing rules and regulations because otherwise they just keep building up. Every year you get like hardening of the arteries and eventually everything's illegal or takes forever and then we just ossify as a society.

We can't make any progress. And it's a really big deal.

Elon, just getting back to the FDA for one second. I got something done called right to try. This is where you can go in and if you're terminally ill, you can use a space age medicine or whatever it may be. We have the best doctors, the best labs in the world. We really do. And, but people would go to other countries because you couldn't use this, the product, even if they thought it worked because it's going through the fda.

I got it approved where you can. You basically look, nobody want. The doctors didn't want it because of the liability. The country didn't want it, our country, because they didn't want to get sued. These are people terminally ill. The insurance companies didn't want it and the pharmaceutical companies, nobody wanted it. I got everybody into a room and we came up with an agreement that you won't get sued. And also they didn't want it on their record.

If somebody's terminally ill and they die after taking a drug, they didn't want that on their record. So we set a second, a separate list. If somebody was. So it wouldn't count as a negative. Okay. And as you know, we got it done. We have saved, right to try. They've been trying to get this done for 58 years. And it sounds simple, but it wasn't because, you know, I mean, you know, the insurance companies, nobody wanted it, but we got it done.

Somebody signs, you sign a document that you're not going to sue the insurance companies, the country, you're not going to sue anybody. And we got it done. And we're saving tens of thousands of lives, right, to try. Hopefully you never need it, but if you do, you don't have to travel to Asia. You know, people, if they had money, they go to Asia, they go to Europe. If they don't have money, they go home and die. That's what happened.

They'd go home and die.

Yeah, well, I mean, actually to give Europe Some props here. It's like if a drug is approved in Europe, which has a crazy amount of regulations, it should obviously be approved in the U.S. i mean, they got more regulations than we do. So why would a drug be approved in Europe and not in the U.S. that's crazy.

Well, we did it. We did something that really. They've been trying to do it for 50 years and they just couldn't get it done. And I got it done, and it's really something. But you're right, some people go to Europe because a drug isn't approved here, but it's approved in Europe, and it's a drug that, generally speaking, would work. It's pretty crazy. Absolutely right.

And I think as long as people are properly informed of the pros and cons and like, these are the risks, you know, those are the risk. And like, you make your own decision that that makes sense.

Well, I think just, you know, in sort of closing up and by the way, I'm looking at the numbers, you get a lot of people listening. Listening. I hope you don't get nervous because you got a lot of people listening to you right now. Like 60 million or something. What is that number? It's crazy. It's amazing how you can see that right away. How many. What is the number? Wow.

What is it?

Well, wow.

I think that's a big. That's bigger than you said. You said 25, and you're more than. Much more than double that number, 25 million. I think you're going to be 60 or 70, and I guess over a period of time. Hey, that's. I congratulate you. Do I get paid for this or not?

Well, I think actually in terms of number of people that will hear this conversation over the next few days, weeks, it's going to be hundreds.

That's what they say. Yeah. That's good. Well, look, it's an honor, but I just asked this. Are you better off now or were you better off when I was president? Nobody's better off now. You know, we put out polls on that, and nobody's better off now. Inflation has killed it. And, you know, they also feel very unsafe. You look at what's going on with a lot of different things. You look at the riots we had at the colleges over.

I mean, it's ridiculous. But all of the riots, they just feel unsafe. And now they really feel unsafe because you have a new form of crime. It's called migrant crime. I call it Biden migrant crime. Maybe I'll call it Kamala migrant crime.

But you know, I mean, with all these things, I always try to like, try to get to the ground truth by just asking people and you know, my mom lives in New York and I was like, you know, mom, you know, do you know, have any of your friends, you know, been attacked or assaulted? And she said, yeah, three of her friends in three separate incidents were assaulted just in recent months just walking around the streets in New York.

And I said, well, what happened to the people that sold them? Oh, nothing. They got away like, and they're just,

they always get away.

Nothing's going. And they don't, they don't even bother reporting it because there's not, they know that there's not, they're not going to, you know, people are not going to get prosecuted. They just, they just let, you know, violent criminals out in New York.

The only one that gets prosecuted is Donald Trump. They don't get, they prosecute Trump.

Yeah, I mean, it's just obviously messed up.

Oh, it's terrible.

If violent criminals are being, getting off scot free and meanwhile New York spending massive resources prosecuting you. And it's like, what's this? You know, and I think the sort of sensible public looks at this and says, what the heck's going on here? This is obviously abuse the legal system. You know, the legal system is supposed to be protecting the public from violent criminals and it should be obviously allowing the public to make their own decision about who should be president as opposed to, you know, some, you know, legal case.

Once they start this precedent, because this can go on with the next one. I mean, this is a very bad precedent. What they're doing in terms of, you know, going after their political opponent. And that's all it is, it's going after their political opponent. And then you get a judge who's, you know, a strong Democrat. And I'm being nice when I say that in many cases, crooked as hell, but you get a judge and you go into an area where a Republican gets 3 or 4% of the vote and you know, you'll have a jury pool with people that hate Republicans or hate.

It could also be the other way though, of course, because it could start the other way in areas where they hate Democrats and you get into a Pandora's box. It's a very dangerous thing for this country and a very dangerous thing even for the state. New York City is losing. New York City and state lose a lot of business over what they did to me. Because these people say, we don't want that to happen to us. That's no justice system.

You have an unfair system of justice. And it's costing New York State a tremendous amount of money. People are leaving and companies are leaving and they won't come back. So, you know, all of that stuff is important, but the economy now is the big thing. And we can turn that economy up so fast. And people are going to be back again. We're going to get rid of this.

I think there's a lot of opportunity.

Absolutely.

So.

And I just want. I want to congratulate you. You've done an amazing job. You are. You have definitely got a fertile mind. You know, we can talk. You and I can talk about rockets.

Let's see. It's kind of you to say thank you.

Tunnels. We can talk about tunnels and rockets and electric cars. So many things. And now you're into the AI and that's going to be another beauty. I'll say so.

It's an amazing thing you've done, Elon. It's an amazing thing. And I congratulate you.

I mean, thank you. Well, I mean, I just say here's to an exciting, inspiring future that people can look forward to and be optimistic and excited about what happens next. And that's the kind of future that I think you will bring as president. And that's why I endorse you.

Well, I appreciate that. That endorsement meant a lot to me. Not all endorsements mean that much, to be honest. Your endorsement meant a lot. And, you know, we have a phrase, make America great again. It's pretty simple, but it really says that we want to make America great again. And we can do it. We can do it now. But if we were going to suffer another four years like we suffered for the last four years, I'm not sure the country can ever come back.

That's how bad it is. It's so bad. We have to. We have to do a lot.

I think that's a very real risk.

It's a big risk.

That's a very real risk. And, you know, I'd just like to note to people listening, like, I've not been very political before. And if, just if you look at my track, my record, it's. I've actually been. I'm not like, they try to paint me as, like, a far right guy, which is absurd because I'm, like, making electric vehicles and, you know, solar and batteries, helping them with the environment. And. And I actually, I, you know, I supported Obama.

I stood in line for six hours to shake Obama's hand when. When he was running for president. And you know, so it's not like I'm like some sort of dyed in the wool long term Republican. I'm actually, I call myself, you know, historically a moderate Democrat. And, but now I feel like we're really at a critical juncture for the country. And you know, I think a lot of people thought, you know, the Biden administration would be a moderate administration, but it's not.

And obviously we're just going to see an even further left administration with Kamala. That's my honest opinion. I mean, her dad is literally, I mean, she was brought up as a, as an actual. Her dad is a Marxist economist. That's. You can Google it. I mean, it's not a. We're not making this up. You know, that's how she was brought up. So. And we just, we want to have a future that is prosperous. And I think we're just at this critical juncture and, and I think this is a case of America is kind of at a fork in the road and I think it will take the path like you are the path to prosperity.

And I think Kamala is the opposite. Then that's my, I mean, that's my honest opinion. I'm going to get attacked like crazy. And you know, I've also experienced quite a bit of lawfare myself.

But I'm just trying to tell people my honest opinion. And I haven't been active and really active in politics before. And I'm just trying to point out that my track record historically has been moderate, if not moderate, slightly left. And so this is to people out there who are in the moderate camp to say I think you should support Donald Trump for president. And I think it's actually a very important junction in the road and we're deep trouble if, if it goes the other way.

Well, I want to thank you. And you know, I actually always did think of you as somewhat left, I must say that. So it's, it's even more of an honor to have your endorsement. I know how strong you feel about it, but you know, when you think of her, San Francisco, 15 years ago, I had a great friend, Bob Tisch. He said it's the greatest city in America, and now it's almost not livable there and California likewise. And she was involved in the destruction of San Francisco and the destruction of California, and she will be involved in the destruction of our country if people are so unwise as to elect her.

And I hope that doesn't happen. And I hope the elections are going to be run honestly and we're going to turn this country around. We're going to, we're going to do things that, and we can do it fairly quickly. And we have to get rid of the criminals that have been, you know, given to us by other countries. As they laugh, they laugh at us. They think we're stupid to accept these people. These are radical stone cold killers in many cases, and terrorists.

And they're in our country by the hundreds of thousands. Yeah. And we have to take them out.

Yeah. I mean, if I could summarize it, perhaps, you know, I think these are issues that I think most people in America would agree with, which is that we want safe and clean cities, we want secure borders, we want sensible government spending, we want to restore both the perception and reality of respect in the, in the, in the judicial system, you know, stop the lawfare. And, and I think that that's like, and how are the, how are those even right wing positions?

I think those are just, that's just common sense. And, and that's, I mean, would you agree with that?

100%. I, I don't understand, you know, the whole. They call it progressive, they don't like the word liberal anymore. But call it liberal or progressive, I don't understand how somebody could say that it's okay for them to empty prisons into our country. And again, I told you, their crime rates all over the world are going way down, which makes sense. In fact, the next time, what we'll do is, if something happens with this election, which would be a horror show, we'll meet the next time in Venezuela because it'll be a far safer place to meet than our country.

Okay, so we'll go, you and I will go and we'll have a meeting and dinner in Venezuela. Venezuela. Because that's what's happening. Their crime rates coming down and our crime rates going through the roof. And it's so simple. And you haven't seen anything yet because these people have come into our country and they're just getting acclimated and they don't know about being politically correct, law enforcement or lack of law enforcement.

And our police. I have to just end with this. We have great police, we have great law enforcement, but they're not allowed to do their job. They have to be able to do their job without being destroyed.

Well, absolutely. And it's obviously demoralizing if you're a police officer risking your life to, you know, to, you know, to arrest violent criminals who could kill you and do kill you sometimes, and then you arrest the violent criminal and then the, the D.A. you know, doesn't prosecute and end up let the guy out. Well then, like, why, why should a police officer risk their life to arrest a violent felon?

Well, even worse, nothing's going to happen. Even worse, they prosecute the police officer. They, they go after and they prosecute the police officer and they take away his pension, they take away his job, he loses his family, he loses his house.

Well, I thought it was very telling, like incredibly telling that, you know, when that, there was that case where, you know, sort of a gang of thugs beat up police officers, I think it was in Times Square in New York. And, and, and then nothing happened to those guys. They were, they were let out zero bail. And I think a bunch of them were given free tickets to California. Well, why does. I mean that, that is, that is a, that is a gross indignity against the United States.

And, and that's how, I mean, this is insane. Like, have we lost all pride? What that, how can such a thing be allowed to occur?

I've never seen anything, you know, we see where they get shot is very dangerous profession, but something they're very proud of and they want to be able to do their job. But I've seen them get shot. I've seen a lot of things, but I've never seen where these guys are standing in the middle of a big street, everybody watching them, and they're literally boxing, like punching, stand up, fighting a police officer. There were two of them and you had about six of these guys and they're punching the hell out of them.

And in their own country, they would be dead if they did that. They'd be shot. Yeah, they would be shot instantly. And you know, they come from these countries and it's taking them a while to realize that we don't do that in this country. But in their own country, if they stood on a street and had a fight with a police officer, they would be shot. There's no political correctness. And it's such a sad, it's such a sad thing to see.

And that's the reason you have crime, by the way, because we don't do anything about it.

Yeah, we just cannot have a situation where our police officers be beaten up on camera by, you know, a gang of illegal immigrants and then nothing happens to the guys that beat up the cops. I mean, and they're let out. This is unacceptable.

We're going to change it and we're going to get them out of the country. You know, when I first got involved, they said you couldn't get them back to these countries, you couldn't take them back. In the case of Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, some others, you couldn't get them back. And I said, really? Oh, you can't get it back? Because under Obama, he couldn't get them back. They'd put up, they'd fly them in and they'd put planes on the runways in these countries so you couldn't land a plane.

They'd bring them back. And the general told me, the generals told me, sir, we can't bring them back to countries. Won't accept Ms. 13 gang members, they won't accept them. And I said, really? How much do we pay these various countries in terms of economic aid? Which is also somewhat ridiculous. And the answer was $750 million. I said, good. Tell them they're in default, they're delinquent, we're not going to do, we're not paying them anymore because they won't accept it.

And you know what happened? They all called me, every one of them. They said, we would be honored to take them back, sir. We would be honored. It was so easy. But it's one of those things. And we got them back. We took in so many. You know, Ms. 13 is probably the worst gangs in the world. They're the most vicious, violent. We took them out of here by the thousands and got them out of here and their countries took them back.

And because I said, you're not getting any more economic aid. And once they said that they were nice, they wouldn't take them back for Obama. They wouldn't take them back for anybody. And now we have a problem because we have this guy and they, again, they don't take them back anymore with Biden because they don't respect him.

Yeah, yeah. So it's just gotta, it's gotta be done. We, we just can't, can't have.

Whether they're citizens or not, citizens we can't have because they won't prosecute citizens either. Not just legals. So you can't have violent, repeat violent offenders that are not, that don't get incarcerated because they will obviously, by definition continue to, to hurt people. And I think where part of this comes from is that there's, I do sort of consider myself liberal in some ways. I mean, it's just that you want to have empathy for people.

Obviously you want to have empathy for people. I totally agree with that. You want to have empathy, but you also have to have empathy for the victims of the criminals. And if you just have empathy for the criminals, it's actually shallow empathy. It's not real. You're not thinking, you're not. You have one layer, deep empathy. You got to say, like, if you don't incarcerate this person, who are they going to hurt? They might kill someone, they might rape someone.

If you don't incarcerate them, you have to have empathy for the victims. And there's a lack of empathy for the victims of the criminals, and too much empathy for the criminals. It doesn't make sense. That's why you want to have deep empathy for society as a whole, not shallow empathy for criminals.

And we have to give our police officers the dignity and the respect that they deserve. And we have to let them do their job. They can do a great job, but we have to let them do their job. And if we don't do that, you know, it's going to all disappear. There's never been a society like this where you're allowed to do anything you want and nothing happens. And I'm talking about violent crime. And it's going to get more violent because these are really, really violent people.

And we're going to get them out of our country and we're going to get them back to where, because they were sent here by the presidents and by the various people that run those countries. And I know every one of those guys, and they're smart people and they're streetwise people and they really think that the USA is stupid. They think we're run by stupid people and they happen to be right. But when I was there, we had no problem.

We got them out. We took out thousands of Ms. 13 gang members, we brought them back and now again, they, it's the same old story. We don't do it. And they actually gave them a big increase in aid. They raised it up to billions of dollars and they get nothing for it. So, you know, it's, it's. I hope everybody's going to vote for Trump and we're going to get this country straight. And I didn't need this. I'm like, I didn't need this.

I had a very nice life. I didn't need to go through court systems and go through all the other stuff and run at the same time. I have to run. I have to go through fake trials with, in some cases, corrupt judges, totally corrupt judges. I didn't need it. I had a nice life. I have great locations. I have beautiful oceans that I have places. You know, this was. But I felt it was important and if I had to do it over again, you probably think I'm crazy for doing it, actually.

But if I had to do it over again, I would have done it over again because this is so much more important than me or my life. This is. We're going to save this country. This country is going down. And these people are bad people that we're running against. And they're liars. They make statements. They do things that are so bad. They say they're going to make a strong border. They say they've been great on the border and they've been the worst in history.

They say they're going to stop crime.

The facts speak for themselves.

It's so incredible.

The facts speak for themselves. It's got to the point where people just don't even bother reporting crime in a lot of states because they know nothing that's going to happen. You know, that's what I hear anecdotally from people all the time. So, you know, it's just, you know, my values, I'm just saying to people out there, like, my, you know, the things I think are important for the future is like we've got to have safe cities, we're going to have secure borders, we've got to have sensible spending, and we've got to have deregulation.

And so we can have a prosperous future. And then we want to have some exciting, you know, sort of moonshot projects that people can get fired up about. And, you know, that's. That's the future I'm looking for. And, you know, I'm pro environment, but I'm not against, you know, I'm not like, I don't think we should vilify the oil and gas industry because they're keeping civilization going right now. And. But I do think we want to move, you know, you know, a reasonable speed towards a sustainable energy economy.

Those are my values. And I think, you know, and so, I mean, that's why I'm supporting you for president, you know.

Well, I appreciate it. We're going to make. We're going to give incentive to companies to come into our country, not to leave our country. We're going to be giving tremendous incentives. We want companies to build here, not to build in other locations. And we want to create jobs. And again, it's about the American dream. You don't hear about the American dream anymore, Elon. You don't hear you're the American dream in the truest sense, but you don't hear about the American dream anymore.

And you're going to hear about it. People, they need that incentive to Go out and do it. And they're going to love their lives. I mean, they're going to love. They're going to look forward to getting up in the morning and going to, you know, going to a job that they love. Not a job that they can't stand or not any job at all where they have no money, where they literally have no money. And then they end up with violence and lots of other problems to no, we're going to do.

We're going to do some great things. And I learned a lot in the first. We had a great economy and all of that. We rebuilt the military. We did so much. But I also learned. And I also learned the best people. I learned the good people, the smart people, the dumb people, the people that can do things. You know, you learn. When I first came in, I tell people I was in Washington, D.C. only 17 times. According to the fake news media, I was in 17 times.

I never stayed over. And you don't know people. You rely on other people to give you names, and then you realize the people you relied on weren't so good. Now, we had great people, but we also had some where I wouldn't have, you know, used them had I known. Now I know everybody, and I think we're going to. We're going to really turn things around fast. We have no choice otherwise, we're not going to have a country. And I really appreciate this has been.

To me, it's been a lot of fun being with you. You're an amazing guy. You've done an incredible job and a great inspiration to people, a great inspiration. And I hope you keep going and just continue to do well. And we're going to have a big election coming up, And I think November 5th will be the most important day in the history of our country. I think that election will be the most important election, and I think it'll end up being maybe the most important day in the history of our country.

Because if we don't win, I just feel so sorry for everybody.

No, I think we're at a fork in the road of destiny, of civilization, and I think we need to take the right path. And I think you're the right path. So I think that's what it comes down to.

Thank you very much, Elon. It's a great honor, and we'll do it again sometime. And it's been really fun. And I hope you got a lot of viewers. I hear you got a lot, but I hope you got a lot. I know you got a lot of them. So I appreciate it. I'll see you soon.

All right, Sounds good. Thank you.

Thank you, Elon. Thank you very much. Bye.