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是的，好吧，让我们看看。那么。是的，州长，过去几个月里，外界对您的计划有很多猜测。据我了解，您可能有一项声明要发表。我想，我们这里聚集了创纪录的听众。你知道，这可能是网上有史以来聚集人数最多的房间。您想对他们说些什么？

好吧，我正在竞选美国总统，以领导我们伟大的美国复兴。听着，我们知道我们的国家正朝着错误的方向前进。我们亲眼看到这一点，也从骨子里感受到这一点。我们的南部边境崩溃了。毒品正大量涌入这个国家。犯罪率飙升，正在掏空我们的城市。联邦政府正让普通家庭更难维持生计，也更难获得并维持中产阶级的生活方式。

而我们的总统，嗯，他缺乏活力，面对我们国家的挑战时手足无措，而且他听命于觉醒暴民。我不认为事情非得如此。美国的衰落并非不可避免。它是一种选择。而我们应该选择一个新方向，一条将通往美国复兴的道路。我们必须让理智重回我们的国家。这意味着拥抱财政和经济理性。停止通过通胀性的借款、印钞和支出政策，让辛勤工作的美国人无法维持良好的生活水平。

并且请拥抱美国能源独立。这也意味着用现实、事实和持久的原则取代觉醒思想病毒。能力必须胜过身份政治。我们必须让常态回归我们的社区。美国是一个主权国家。我们的边境必须得到尊重。我们不能让数以百万计的外国人非法涌入我们的国家。我们不能允许贩毒集团用芬太尼毒害我们的民众。

公众理应拥有安全的社区。美国城市必须维持法律与秩序。我们不能让精神病人管理精神病院。我们还必须拒绝对执法部门男女工作人员的攻击。我们也必须在我们的机构中重建诚信。这包括军队。我为自己是一名海军退伍军人、一名伊拉克战争退伍军人而自豪，我敬重我们的军种。但当像我们军队中那些备受敬重的机构更关心与任务核心无关的事务时，无论是全球变暖，还是性别、意识形态和代词，士气就会下降，征兵也会受到影响。

而你需要消除这些干扰。我们需要专注于核心任务。如果最重大的问题由未经选举的官僚一时兴起决定，而不是由人民选出的代表决定，我们也不可能拥有真正的宪政政府。在我们的机构中重建诚信，意味着我们必须通过把政府归还给其合法所有者，来重振我们的宪政体制。

我们人民，没有代表权，就不能进行社会或经济转型。真相需要成为我们的根基。常识不能再是一种罕见的美德。而在佛罗里达州，我们证明了这是可以做到的。我们选择事实而不是恐惧，教育而不是灌输，法律与秩序而不是骚乱和混乱。当自由命悬一线时，我们守住了防线，因此我们正蓬勃发展。佛罗里达州是全国人口增长最快的州。

我们的净迁入人数排名第1，新企业成立数量排名第1，最近教育也被评为第1。我们的犯罪率处于50年来的最低水平，人均税收和债务也是美国最低之列。但我们也明白，治理不是娱乐。它不是为了打造品牌或进行美德表演。它是为了取得成果。而我们在佛罗里达州取得的成果首屈一指。我们能够、也必须为美国取得重大成果。

我承诺成为一名精力充沛、会处理重要问题的行政长官。拜登对正在伤害劳动者的通胀政策的追求。我们将扭转这些政策，并将建设一个让美国劳动者能够达到良好生活水平的经济。拜登开放了南部边境，允许大量毒品涌入这个国家。我们将封锁边境，修建边境墙，并追究贩毒集团的责任。

拜登对医疗威权主义的拥抱，例如违宪的 COVID 疫苗强制令。我们将确保这些侵犯自由的行为永远不会再次发生。拜登允许觉醒意识形态主导他的议程。我们绝不会向觉醒暴民投降，我们会把觉醒意识形态丢进历史的垃圾堆。拜登还把军队政治化，导致征兵人数暴跌。我们将从军队中清除意识形态议程。

让军队专注于核心任务，我们将扭转糟糕的征兵趋势。最后，拜登把行政国家的权力武器化，以推进他的左翼议程。我们将使行政部门重新符合宪法，并将使行政国家就范。现在，如果你不能获胜，就做不到其中任何一件事。胜利无可替代。我们必须终结近年来侵蚀共和党的失败文化。

过去陈旧的教条不足以造就充满活力的未来。我们必须向前看，而不是向后看。我们需要领导的勇气，也必须拥有获胜的力量。对于正在参与这场初选的选民，我对你们的承诺是这样的。如果你们提名我，你们可以把时钟设到2025年1月20日正午。因为在美国国会大厦西侧，我将宣誓就任美国第47任总统。

不找借口。我现在会把工作做好。过去这几年让我对我们的自由有多么脆弱有了新的认识。我从未想过，我会在美国看到我们在 COVID 19大流行期间看到的那些事情。但我们的开国元勋在制定宪法时，敏锐地意识到了自由的脆弱性。他们带着研究过人类历史上每一个共和国历史的经历来到武装。而且他们注意到，所有这些实验只有一个共同点，那就是这个。

它们无一例外都失败了。因此，他们知道，决定人民是否真的能够自治这一重任落到了我们的国家——美利坚合众国——肩上。我们能否建立一个这样的社会：它基于这样一种理念，即我们的权利由上帝赋予，而非政府授予；社会依据法治而非个别人之治来运转？当本杰明·富兰克林博士走出那场制宪会议时，有人问他：你们带来的是共和国还是君主制？

他说，一个共和国，如果你们能守住它的话。他们知道，自由不会靠自动驾驶运行。他们知道，每一代人都有责任捍卫自由。在我国历史的这一重要关头，这样做是我们的责任。为了确保国家重回正轨，我们还有大量工作要做。我请求每一位正在收听的人加入我的这项使命。请访问rondisantis.com并捐款，为我们的竞选活动投入资金。

谢谢。愿上帝保佑，我期待接下来的讨论。

好的，谢谢您，州长。非常感谢。我想，首先在这里追问一下，感谢您容忍这些技术问题。我认为我们确实正在开辟新天地。据我所知，此前从未有主要总统候选人以这种方式在社交媒体上宣布他们的、他们的、他们的参选，当然更没有在一个。在一个Twitter Space里。因此，谢谢您这么做。是什么让您愿意冒险采用这种方式，而不是直接在有线电视新闻上，或用通常的方式宣布？

好吧，新冠疫情暴发时，我必须作出决定：你是随大流，还是亲自查看数据并反其道而行？我选择了后者。由于这样做，我遭到了来自官僚机构、精英阶层和媒体的强烈反对。但我的看法是，我必须照顾我所代表的人民，宁愿保护他们的工作，也不去设法保住自己的政治饭碗。但在作出其中许多决定时，我非常、非常孤独。

之所以如此孤独，部分原因是有人齐心协力试图压制异议。关于封锁、关闭学校、强制戴口罩，以及我们在新冠疫情期间不得不应对的所有这些不同事情，都有一套官方叙事。这是一套由主要科技平台与联邦政府共同强制推行的正统观念。如果在一个自由国家里，我们不能就封锁这类影响数亿人的问题展开坦诚辩论，那么到那个时候，第一修正案还有什么用？

那些恰恰是我们需要展开辩论、需要让辩论有力进行的时候。你们不应下架批评那些严苛政策的文章。然而，事实恰恰就是如此。因此我想到，如果这种情况继续下去，我认为这个国家的言论自由就要被扫地出门了。所以，当埃隆·马斯克挺身而出收购Twitter时，他为此花了很多钱。而且我相信，因为他是一位优秀的商人，埃隆，我相信你最终会从中赚到钱，但归根结底，你必须言行一致，真正投入自己的资金，因为我认为你认识到，除非我们拥有就影响我们文明的最重要问题展开辩论的自由，否则我们就不可能拥有一个自由社会。

这在新冠疫情期间并没有发生。真相一再遭到审查。而现在Twitter掌握在一位言论自由倡导者手中，这种事情将无法再在这个Twitter平台上发生。因此，我认为Twitter所经历的事情对我们国家的未来确实意义重大，我们不能拥有一个政府与主要科技平台相互勾结、强制推行一套正统观念的社会。

好的，谢谢。是的，我们绝对致力于言论自由、公平的竞争环境以及充满活力的辩论。希望这能成为一个平台，让持不同政治观点的人交流这些观点，或许一些人的想法会以这样或那样的方式发生改变。

但正如你所强调的，如果所有媒体和政府都在步调一致地行事，那么第一修正案就毫无意义，这一点极其重要。

如果无法进行自由、公开的辩论，那么最重要的那条修正案，也就是当时最迫切需要加入宪法的那条修正案，就会变得毫无意义。所以 Twitter 的确很昂贵，但言论自由是无价的。

太棒了。谢谢。那么，州长，在我们安排其他一些发言者进入队列提问时，我要先问几个问题。我想，也许有些人知道这个声明即将发布，因为过去1周或2周里，媒体上关于你的时髦文章并不少。我想问问你对一些针对你的指控有何看法。上周，美国全国有色人种协进会针对你的州发布了一则旅行警告，声称佛罗里达州对少数族裔而言不是一个可以安全到访的地方。

对于那些被告知不知怎么地他们在你的州不受欢迎的人，你有什么话要说？

声称佛罗里达州不安全完全是一场闹剧。我的意思是，你在开玩笑吗？看看这个国家各地的城市，它们犯罪泛滥。在佛罗里达州，我们的犯罪率处于50年来的最低水平。如果你看看美国犯罪问题最严重的前25座城市，佛罗里达州没有一座城市位列前25。如果你看看巴尔的摩和芝加哥这样的城市，那里的孩子中枪的可能性比接受一流教育的可能性还高。

但对于那些地区正在发生的所有暴行和杀戮，我却没看到美国全国有色人种协进会眨一下眼。所以这是一场政治作秀。这些左翼团体已经这样做了很多、很多年。归根结底，他们所做的就是与传统媒体串通，试图炮制一种叙事。好消息是，不加怀疑地相信这种滴流的美国人越来越少，而像 Twitter 这样的平台就在那里，让人们能够实时驳斥这些谎言。

而且，作为一名美国公民，我只想说，如果你不加批判地接受传统媒体和左翼团体编造的叙事，那你就没有尽到做一名有良知公民的职责。我认为人们完全看穿了这一点。还有，顺便问一句，这些旅行警告中有任何一条奏效了吗？因为他们这样做已经有一段时间了。这些左翼团体，它们有任何一条奏效了吗？好吧，我们是净迁入人口排名第1的州，而且自从我担任州长以来，每年都是如此。

我们刚刚创下了佛罗里达州历史上旅游业表现最好的季度。我们的观点是，我们希望每个人都能成功，无论其肤色如何。我们不会按种族把人们划分开来。与此同时，值得指出的是，佛罗里达州由黑人拥有的企业比全国任何其他州都多。而且在我的政府任内，领导州政府机构的非裔美国人也比佛罗里达州历史上任何时期都多。

但在我们这里，你知道，他们身居其位是因为能力，而不是因为我们试图玩身份政治。如果你想看看教育，佛罗里达州黑人学生的表现远高于大多数其他州的黑人学生。在黑人学生群体中，我们的4年级阅读排名第3，4年级数学排名第2。还有，顺便说一句，美国全国有色人种协进会的负责人就住在佛罗里达州，而且在我担任州长期间，他们的很多董事会成员都在社交媒体上发布过佛罗里达度假的内容，看起来他们玩得好极了。

那很好。嗯，我的意思是，佛罗里达州是一个很棒的州，而且我认为人们意识到，有些说法确实荒谬至极。我的意思是，我看到《大西洋月刊》的某个标题，大意是声称任何收听、收听这个 Twitter Spaces 的人基本上都是纳粹。

所以，是的，是的，那是《大西洋月刊》。然后《名利场》说，你之所以主持或采访，是因为戴维·杜克没空。

哦，是的。

不过我不完全确定他们说谁是戴维·杜克。我不知道说的是你还是德桑蒂斯州长。有点不清楚，不过。

但我认为这是这些事物的一种作用。传统媒体、这些企业报刊，他们都待在自己的小泡泡里。还拿那种事情来制造幻觉，我是说，得多疯狂才会这样？但在他们的小泡泡里，听起来他们好像是在提出某种深刻的观点。所以其中一部分。我认为 Twitter 所代表的是，人们应该接触不同的观点。我认为我们社会中的精英一直试图把自己聚拢起来，让他们的假设永远不会受到挑战。

而我认为，这不是一种好的生活方式。这也不是。不是一种成为批判性思考者的好方式，因为没人会质疑那些明显错误的假设，因为你周围的每个人都认同它们。

当然。

我认为他们变得彻底歇斯底里，因为他们不喜欢自己对媒体的控制正在被去中介化这个想法。因为现在总统候选人可以直接通过 Twitter 这样的平台对民众讲话。

是的。

我是说，Twitter 和 Spaces 这类东西令人惊叹的一点是，虽然碰巧是我在主持，但我不得不改由戴维主持，因为我的账户实际上。

关注的人太多了。

我的账户让系统崩溃了。但以前真的从未有过这样一种机制，让某个人可以向全国讲话，或者让任何想听他们讲话的人都可以从世界任何地方收听，无论是美国还是任何地方。所以这是一个。我认为这是一个非常深刻的变化。而且它也像是。问题不只是媒体报道的某件事、一篇文章是真是假。更有影响力的是决定叙事是什么。

所以，你知道，就像，一份报纸或杂志实际能容纳的内容只有那么多，而你真正放在杂志的 COVID 上的东西也只有一个。所以，无论是谁在决定这件事，也就是在决定不谈其他事情。而像我们这里这样的公共数字城镇广场，则让公众有可能选择叙事。它赋权于人民，而不是一个规模极小的精英小集团，我并没有意识到使用这个说法有多么讽刺，但尽管如此，这是真的，而且从结果来看，这是让人民决定叙事、让人民决定，你知道，辩论将走向何方的一种手段。

基本上，而不是由大概 5 名报纸主编来决定。

是的。我认为 COVID 期间发生的一件非常疯狂的事情是，社交网络真的开始与主流媒体步调一致，审查有关 Covid 的异议观点，包括后来被证明完全正确的医学观点。所以。所以从根本上说，大型科技平台正在破坏它们存在的主要理由，也就是给人们提供选择。实际上，有一个人，我认为他对此的了解比我们任何人都多，那就是博士。

杰克·巴塔查里亚，他是斯坦福大学的医学教授。我想把他请进来。杰克，如果可以的话，你来把自己取消静音。很期待听你发言。我知道在 COVID 期间你曾与德桑蒂斯州长合作。很期待听你简单谈谈你们之间的互动，以及你是否有问题要问州长。

谢谢你，戴维。

是的，我是说，能与德桑蒂斯州长合作是绝对的荣幸，而面对铺天盖地的批评时，他所作的决策确实给我留下了深刻印象。

但他，你知道，州长，你确实

在你让学校重新开放时做了正确的事。而我的孩子们在加利福尼亚州有 1 年半没踏进过教室，而佛罗里达州的孩子们却在上学。你可以从结果中看出来，佛罗里达州的学习损失数据要好得多。州长，我真的很好奇，在你竞选总统之际，你对改革美国公共卫生权力以及联邦政府的 CDC、FDA、NIH，有什么想法？

你认为我们需要进行怎样的改革，才能让疫情期间封控所犯的错误在下一场疫情出现时不再发生？

嗯，首先，我们需要诚实审视 COVID 期间发生的事情，而唯一诚实的结论就是：所有那些机构、所有精英、公共卫生建制派，他们都失败了。他们推行了糟糕的政策。显然，这是一种新型病毒。但我认为实际发生的是，当数据越来越清楚地表明他们所走的道路是错误的时候，他们却变本加厉，还想做得更多。

而我真的相信，如果佛罗里达州没有就那样挡在路上，我认为这个国家可能会在大约 2 年期间反复实施封控。所以他们的冲动是威权主义式的，他们没有遵循数据。我认为美国政府需要承认这些失败。我认为所有那些机构都需要被彻底整顿。我仅仅在与他们打交道时看到的，是他们重视叙事和政治，胜过循证推理和循证医学。

所以我不相信那些机构能够胜任这项任务。我认为，就这个国家的公共卫生而言，你需要对整个体系进行重大、重大的彻底改革。

我可以就此追问吗？我是说，我认为我在疫情期间看到的另一件事是，州长，你和我一样深受其害。当我们谈论 COVID 时，YouTube 审查了一段我们在你主持的 COVID 政策圆桌会议上发言的视频。联邦政府有如此多的基础设施在疫情期间被用于压制坦诚的科学讨论。所以不只是公共卫生机构，联邦政府内部的其他机构也参与了压制美国人的言论。

而且我很想听听你的问题。没问题，没问题。所以我实际上在佛罗里达州。我们认识到了那里的危险。所以我实际上很快就会为佛罗里达州签署一项数字权利法案，该法案将禁止所有州和地方政府官员为了审查言论而与科技公司串通或合作。因为你说得完全正确，白宫里有人，所有这些其他机构里也有人，他们与这些平台合作，试图把它撤下来。

还有，顺便问一句，他们为什么审查巴塔查里亚博士？那是由我主持并召集的一场圆桌讨论。我们请来了斯坦福大学的医学博士、哲学博士巴塔查里亚，还请来了哈佛医学院的马丁·卡尔多夫，以及牛津大学的苏内特拉·古普塔。在她转而反对封锁之前，她普遍被认为是大西洋彼岸最优秀的流行病学家之一。所以，所以这些人全都是杰出人士。我们讨论的是什么呢？

我们讨论的是，强迫一名在校儿童每天戴8个小时口罩是否有任何科学依据。他们全都认为这样做毫无依据，而且学校不应该强制要求戴口罩。YouTube认为，这属于所谓的“反科学”，应该被下架。但即使在那个时候，我们在佛罗里达州也已经积累了足够的经验；在州政府禁止强制要求之前，有些学校这样做过。

有些学校这样做了，有些学校没有，而结果并无不同。然而，他的视频还是被Google、YouTube下架了。所以这是一个非常、非常严重的问题。而且，是的，我认为联邦政府、FBI、国土安全部以及任何卫生机构，把限制言论的工作交给一家私营公司，都是违宪的。宪法明确禁止你直接做的事，你不能通过间接方式来做。

让我。让我请进来。我们这里有联邦众议员托马斯·马西。如果你在，请直接取消静音。我是说，我们这里谈论的，我认为，实际上是联邦机构的违宪行为。马西众议员，我知道你一直参与处理这个问题，也就是，你知道，政府机构被武器化，并以不当方式用来对付美国人民。你对此有何评论，又有什么问题想问德桑蒂斯州长？

首先，我要特别感谢埃隆·马斯克收购Twitter，并在我们的政府武器化问题委员会上揭露了这一切。如果他没有这样做，几乎像是为第一修正案提供了一项公共服务，我们就不会了解到这么多情况。这是一种令人不安的趋势。政府。正如州长所说，政府正在与大公司勾结。我们本周从一名FBI举报人那里得知，美国银行自愿提供了任何一个在华盛顿特区买过热狗的人的姓名和信息。

时间是从1月5日到1月7日，然后又将这些信息与他们存档的、在全国任何地方、任何时间段内的枪支购买记录叠加比对。而且他们说，他们只是自愿提供了

把那交给 FBI。

所以这让我感到不安。顺便说一句，我从未见过埃隆·马斯克，但我是你最忠实的粉丝之一。我是第 1 个拥有 Tesla 的国会议员。

我用的是星链，而且我本来会买一台Powerwall，但我没有接入电网，而你们不肯卖给我，所以我只好用一辆撞毁的Model S做了一台。它已经为我们家供电5年了。但是

郑重说明一下，我和托马斯在国会的第1年、年里共事。他有那辆Tesla，但他的车牌写的是“Kentucky Coal”。所以这是。他大概是拥有那个国家的极少数人之一。

谢谢你揭我的底，德桑蒂斯州长，不过不是。所以，德桑蒂斯州长，我想问你的是，你知道，你和我一起在国会任职了6年，为什么国会在约束这些政府机构方面如此软弱无能？你认为我们需要做什么？如果你担任总统，你会敦促国会做什么，或者你希望看到并签署哪些法案，来遏制这种，你知道，可以说是政府官僚机构的越权行为？

嗯，首先，我认为行政部门能做很多事情。而我，我只想说，谈到这些机构，随着竞选活动的推进，我们会，我们会，我们会更深入地谈谈这件事；但等我上任时，你们要系好安全带，因为现状是不可接受的。我们将确保这个政府重新回归宪法秩序。这些机构完全失控了。没有任何问责。

而我们将以非常大的力度把它纳入控制。现在，情况之所以变得如此糟糕，部分原因是权力实际上被集中到了政府的第4个分支，因为国会没有使用宪法赋予它的2项主要权力。第一是财政拨款权。如果一个机构正在衡量超出合法范围的行为，或者你认为这种行为不符合公共利益，那么你可以撤掉这些行动的经费。

没有任何规定说，它们有权每年获得相同水平的经费。然而，国会却让政府处于自动运行状态，要么通过持续决议，要么通过规模庞大的综合拨款法案。所以这些机构全都刀枪不入。它们知道，自己最终每年都会获得数额相近或更多的经费。这就激励它们滥用权力。你能做的另一件事是真正进行立法。

这样，你就不会把有关如何执行联邦法律的关键问题交给官僚机构。你应该明确界定你想要什么。它们应该做的只有执行。相反，国会基本上会邀请官僚机构作出真正重要的实质性决定。因此，国会可能从未就某件事投过票，官僚机构却会援引20年前的一项法律，去做一些将改变我们社会或国家的事情。

这不是开国元勋制定宪法时所设计的方式。

那么你会签署《REINS法案》吗？我们已经让它通过了。

今天的一个司法机构。哦，会，不，当然会。对，这根本不用考虑。我认为，那会形成很好的制约。我还认为，根据美国最高法院即将形成的判例法，我们很有机会看到这种“雪佛龙尊重原则”受到实质性限制，甚至可能被废除。而我认为，这也是官僚机构变得如此强大的另一个原因，因为法院基本上被告知，它们几乎可以为所欲为。

而法院理应只是听从。我不认为这实际上是正确的。我认为法院必须就法律究竟说了什么作出判断。你不能只是听从官僚机构中所谓的“专家”。

谢谢。

好，换个话题。州长，我想问你的另一个经常出现在新闻中的话题是Disney。他们把取消在佛罗里达州投资10亿美元的计划归咎于你。还说他们将取消2,000个工作岗位。我看到其他报道指出，Disney无论如何都打算裁减这些岗位，这是更大规模预算削减计划的一部分。无论他们为什么这么做，考虑到你已经在他们所反对的父母权利法案上击败了他们，你为什么认为与Disney的斗争仍然很重要？

对于这场竞选中一些声称这场斗争拖得太久的对手，你会怎么说？

首先，佛罗里达州主张保护儿童。我们认为，把性别意识形态强行灌输到小学里是错误的。Disney显然支持把性别意识形态注入小学。他们确实反对我们的父母权利立法。事实是，当他们反对这项立法时，那是一件大事，因为50年来，只要Disney在佛罗里达州政治中想要什么，他们几乎都能如愿。但这一次没有。

我签署了这项法案。正如你所说，我们确实在这个问题上采取了行动。但后来发生的是迪士尼摆出姿态，以及他们的高管发表了其他一些言论。可以说，这种企业文化其实已经暴露无遗，他们试图把性方面的内容注入面向青少年的节目中。我认为，包括我在内的许多家长看到这一点都会说，那是不恰当的。我的意思是，我们希望自己的孩子能够，就只是做孩子。

这也算是我们的口号。所以，迪士尼在几十年前设计出了这样一种安排：他们实际上拥有一个由自己控制、不受任何问责的政府机构。他们不必遵守所有竞争对手都必须遵守的法律。他们获得巨额税收减免，甚至还积累了市政债务。而佛罗里达州基本上在几十年前就把他们捧上了神坛，让整个州与这一家公司紧密捆绑在一起。

我们只是觉得，我们对维持那种关系感到不自在。因此，我们终止了他们的自治地位。所以迪士尼必须和所有人一样遵守同样的法律。他们必须和所有人一样缴纳同样的税。而且显然，他们将对那些债务负责。所以之所以会有一场所谓的“争斗”，只是因为他们对佛罗里达州提起了诉讼，试图让他们的特殊特权得到恢复。

但我不认为那是好的政策。我认为，一些站在迪士尼一边的共和党人基本上是在表明自己是企业至上主义者，因为这些全都是给企业的好处。这不是运行竞争性经济的方式。这项安排实际上早已失去其作用，但因为迪士尼在政治上如此强大，它还是延续了下来。我认为，这家公司的精神理念发生了变化，疏远了我们州议会中的许多人以及佛罗里达州的许多人。

所以，确实没有理由保留它。但别搞错了，他们提起诉讼是为了争取特殊待遇。人们在佛罗里达赚得盆满钵满，因为我们拥有很好的营商环境。但这对他们来说还不够。他们希望得到不同于环球影城和海洋世界的待遇，而我们不知道那是否合适。所以，我认为他们应该撤回诉讼。我们将为自己的行动辩护。

我没看到 NW 对这一切有丝毫反应。

有意思的是，媒体过去常常

批评公众受运营方摆布，而现在他们是左翼团体，多年来一直这么做，嗯，不仅如此，归根结底，他们所做的就是掠夺，试图制造迪士尼，而他们会，他们会指出美国人越来越少。

而当平台，比如州控制委员会接管并揭穿这些地区时，消防员来到委员会，说，嘿，我们没有拿到其中一些寡妇说法里的遗属福利。州控制法院实际上支付了他们正在获得的一些福利。佛罗里达州中部有很多人真的非常感激，而且我认为某种问责机制开始发挥作用，因为，你知道，这是人性。

如果对任何个人都没有问责，让其中任何人的情况更糟，他们的行为就会不同于存在正常问责时；这一直都非常公正，但仅仅因为我必须参与臀部，把它带回现实，像巴尔的摩、芝加哥这样的城市，法律，你得到了，然后全都办着一流教育。很多年前，我没看到全国有色人种协进会眨一下眼。他们全都为此做过任何事，但那实际上正在那些地区发生。

所以，这是奥兰多的一个政治部分。这些人很多很多年来什么也没留下。

现在。对他们股东最有利的项目是清晰的，如果他们当初推进的话，但我认为很明显，他们在价格和许多其他问题上遇到了一些麻烦，而且我还想说，作为一名美国公民，如果你是，没有人比我更批判性地让迪士尼更已婚，因为他们在新冠疫情期间营业。他们当时正在失败。那持续了很多很多个月，确实如此。我认为人们完全看穿了这一点。

还有，顺便说一句，在20开放。人们将要做上一阵子，这些编号团体。而那些乐园关闭了。我认为它们关闭了1年多，每年。我们，我认为，是一个好得多的经商之地，当然自从我在Hi25受到欢迎以来。很好。

让我在这里换个话题，谈谈教育。我想请克里斯·鲁福加入对话。我希望能与你合作推进一些举措。我认为，你知道，主流媒体做的另一件事，我认为很羞怯，就是他们已经开始推动这种说法，说你想禁止学校图书馆里的书。你拒绝向孩子们讲授奴隶制或美国历史上其他令人不快的现实，或者假装同性恋者不存在。

很多人。我想在这个房间里，我们现在已经达到，哇，超过271,000人。所以，就参与人数而言，我认为这完全是前所未有的。顺便说一句，我认为Twitter现在运行得好多了。我认为它之所以崩溃，是因为当你把一个房间里的50万人乘以一个拥有超过1亿关注者的账号，也就是埃隆的账号时，我认为这就产生了一个前所未有的扩展规模。

但以我微不足道的关注者数量来看，它似乎运行得好多了。

对，不，是这样。我们遇到了一些专门与我的账号有关的扩展问题。1月时曾有一次，如果我发的推文超过某个大小，就会导致服务器崩溃。

对。

然后，其他任何同时发推文的人也会丢失他们的推文。

所以无论如何。对，好吧，我们正在这里开辟新天地。

是的。你知道，当出现错误和扩展问题时，就说明你正在开辟新天地。但无论如何，回到我刚才问你的问题，德桑蒂斯州长，关于教育。媒体一直在，你知道，说你试图禁书。你冻结向孩子们讲授奴隶制。你想说同性恋者不存在。什……事情的真相究竟是什么，尤其是对那些以前可能从未听你亲自谈过的人来说？然后我也想请克里斯·鲁福参与讨论。

对。所以整件禁书的事就是一场骗局。佛罗里达州没有禁过哪怕1本书。你想买或使用什么书都可以。我们所做的是赋予家长审查课程、了解学校正在使用哪些书籍的能力，然后确保这些书籍符合州标准，并且适合相应的年龄和发展阶段。所以，举例来说，家长们举报了学校里的一些书，这些书例如教初中生如何使用性爱应用程序，还为小至五年级的孩子提供对性行为和性玩具的露骨描绘。

所以很明显，那些内容不适合出现在初中课堂里。因此家长提出异议，学校就把它们撤掉了。我举行了一场新闻发布会，我们称之为揭露禁书骗局。在请家长上台之前、在我发言之前，我只是播放了那段视频，其中有家长反对出现在自己孩子课堂里的那些书籍的图像。而当地新闻不得不中断信号，因为他们说内容太露骨了。

好吧，如果它对于6点新闻来说都太露骨了，那怎么会适合六年级或五年级学生呢？所以没有任何东西被禁止。他们基本上是在确保我们作出的筛选选择符合州标准。至于种族历史，我们从K至12年级学校中清除了批判性种族理论。这样做是正确的。换句话说，我们不会把一个6岁入学的孩子叫过来，根据他们的种族说他们是压迫者或受压迫者。

那会制造分裂。那是错误的。我们也不会教人们仇恨自己的国家。但我们会做的是教授准确的历史。所以，在禁止批判性种族理论的同一项法案中，我们要求全面教授美国历史上发生过的种族歧视。佛罗里达州的历史标准要求教授所有这些主题，从奴隶制、重建时期、种族隔离，所有这些内容，我们也将继续这样做。

所以我认为，你所看到的是左翼和媒体在这件事上相互勾结。他们不想真正为我们实际上正在立法或监管的内容辩护。所以他们制造这些骗局，说什么你不希望孩子们了解美国曾存在奴隶制，这简直荒谬。实际上没有人为那些冒犯性材料辩护。而问题是，为什么有人一心想把这些东西弄进课堂？

而且我认为这是政治议程的一部分。所以我们在佛罗里达州的口号是：学校的宗旨是教育，而不是灌输。是的，我认为在五年级的图书馆里放置露骨的色情材料非常不合适，100%。但同样，如果你专注于那类教学，就会涉及机会成本。为什么我们不会。为什么我们不应该在科学、阅读或数学方面做得更多？

所以我认为我们做对了。而且我认为几乎无一例外，克里斯·鲁福也不得不应对这个问题。当他们试图编造这些说法时，你只要一层层剥开洋葱，就会意识到这是他们制造出来的东西。

这很有道理。我的意思是，我其实原以为确实有一些书被禁了。所以这对我来说是个新消息。

而且他们实际上，曾经有。本周那件事是，迈阿密-戴德县把一本关于，比如，我想是拜登就职典礼上的诗歌之类的书，从小学图书馆移到了初中图书馆。媒体试图表现得好像这本书不知怎么就被禁了。实际上，迈阿密-戴德县公立学校的发言人不得不出面说，没有任何东西被禁或被移除。

基本上只是判定这本特定的书更适合初中。因此他们把它放进了初中的媒体中心。而媒体试图表现得好像这不知怎么就以禁书的方式冒犯了某些东西。所以。但我认为，他们之所以这样做，部分原因是，你知道，实际上确实存在一场要让亚马逊之类的平台禁书的运动。加利福尼亚州的一些市镇已经禁了《杀死一只知更鸟》之类的作品。

他们试图做的是，看其中一些书能否通过“觉醒”测试，如果不能，他们就会反对其中一些书。而在佛罗里达，你想买什么书都可以买。但这和什么内容适合3年级学生、什么内容适合6年级学生是不同的问题。按照定义，政府必须就我们希望向学生提供何种课程作出这些选择。

而家长显然在这方面拥有重要的发言权。

绝对如此。嗯，事实上，我的一位朋友蒂姆·厄本有一个名为《等等，等等，但为什么？》的博客。他确实是世界上最讲道理的人之一，也是我见过的最新近的人之一。他在出版自己的书时遇到了很多困难，仅仅因为书中辩论了“觉醒”意识形态中某些类似神圣不可侵犯之物的观念，但那可能是一本讲道理的书。所以，我经常看到的正是这种事实上的禁书和事实上的书籍压制，因为出版商不愿承担风险。

让我在这里暂时换个话题，因为我知道我们的时间快用完了。我想我们原定大约4点结束，不过是太平洋时间。但州长，感谢您在这里多给了我们一点时间。换到一个重大的联邦议题：移民。我看到了一些，我在社交媒体和电视上看到了这些视频，边境的情况看起来简直疯狂。您如何看待那里正在发生的事情？如果当选总统，您会如何处理？

我会推翻拜登正在做的事情。你需要关闭边境。你不应该受理这些非法越境者的庇护申请。庇护本身当然是正当的事情，但这些人来到这里时，我的意思是，他们正受到迫害。这些来到这里的人绝大多数是经济移民，他们穿越了许多其他不同的国家。如果他们确实符合庇护资格，就应该在那里申请庇护，但他们并不符合。

他们知道，只要出现在南部边境，而这些人是从世界各地非法来到这里的，他们就知道自己会拿到一张纸，上面写着，好吧，3年后回来出庭，然后他们就会获释，进入我国腹地。这是一个绝对疯狂的制度。所以我们会制止这种情况。我们将在上任第1天宣布全国进入紧急状态，从而采取行动。我们将修建边境墙。

我们会确保实施“留在墨西哥”政策，不以那种方式受理这些申请。我们确实需要追究墨西哥贩毒集团的责任，因为他们为大量此类移民活动提供了便利。他们显然从中牟利。他们在将这些人贩运穿过墨西哥并送入美国的过程中，对其中许多人非常残暴。当然，这些贩毒集团还一直负责将大量芬太尼运入这个国家，而这现在每年都会导致数万名美国人死亡。

而他们所做的，是在其他类型的毒品中掺入芬太尼。所以，可能会有一个青少年做了某件他们也许不该做的事，但在过去几代人中，那不会致命。而现在，如果其中掺有芬太尼，你知道，这些孩子可能会用药过量并死亡。因此，由于这场芬太尼流行危机，母亲们正在失去孩子。我就是认为，不能允许这些犯罪组织继续毒害我国民众。

所以这会是上任第1天就要处理的问题。我们将投入压倒性的大量资源来应对它，而且我们要一劳永逸地制止这种疯狂局面。

我想，史蒂夫·戴斯有一个关于移民问题的后续提问。他是一位全国性电台人物，我认为也是伟大的艾奥瓦州一位重要的评论员。史蒂夫，你有，你有什么评论或问题吗？我想你只需要解除静音。

如果史蒂夫能解除静音，那我们就请他提问。如果不能，我们就。我们继续进行。

好了，3。要走了，要走了。

我在呢，各位。哦，你来了。

好吧，是我的错。

首先，我想附和马西众议员对埃隆所说的话。埃隆，如果我在2022年1月1日下注，赌 Twitter 会成为地球上言论自由的最后堡垒，兄弟，凭这笔赌注，我现在大概会和你一样富有。我的意思是，你在这里所做的事情令人难以置信，还有恢复了许多人的账号，这些人说出了真相，却因为说真话而被赶出了这里。我前几天看到一个模因，上面写着：当你审查掉所有持不同意见的科学家时，你当然就有了科学共识。

所以我首先想代表全国乃至全世界许多心怀感激的人说，非常感谢你所做的这一切，也感谢你为这项事业作出的投入。谢谢。州长，作为关于移民这个问题的后续，我有一个问题。这些年来，我们听过很多话：把她关起来、抽干沼泽。要建一堵漂亮的墙。墨西哥会为此买单。人群欢呼，每个人都很喜欢。

品牌树立起来了，却什么都没有完成。此刻，世界各地和全国各地的人都在收听，您能向他们作出的最根本保证是什么，让他们相信您确实能够落实刚才阐述的议程，而其他人只是在推文中谈论它、口头上谈论它，最终却无法真正贯彻执行？

这是一个很好的问题，因为我也有同样的挫败感。我认为，即使是我在佛罗里达最严厉的批评者也会承认，当我告诉人们我要做某件事时，我不会轻率地作出承诺，也不会轻率地说我要做某件事。我已经深思熟虑，而且我知道，凡是我告诉人们我要做的事，我都会贯彻到底。所以这是第1点，会贯彻到底。第2点，我理解根据宪法第2条所拥有的不同杠杆着力点。

我对此研究了很多，在就任州长时研究佛罗里达州宪法，也对联邦宪法做了同样的事。你必须知道如何运用自己的杠杆，来推进你想实现的目标。所以，比如，你知道，我们可以对墨西哥运用一些杠杆，我认为历任总统一直没有。一直不愿意这么做。我认为有时是出于政治目的。但我会审视，好吧，我们可以采取的所有不同选择是什么？

我能按下哪些按钮？我会这么做，以便一劳永逸地解决这个问题。2022年9月，4级以上风暴飓风伊恩袭击了佛罗里达州西南部，造成了大量破坏。但它造成的后果之一是摧毁了一座从大陆通往派恩岛的桥梁，并在3个、3个不同位置切断了萨尼贝尔堤道。当地人被告知，修复那些设施需要6个月。

所以他们来找我，尽管这些桥梁并不归州政府所有，他们说，你能帮帮我们吗？我说，好吧，我来做。所以我把手下的人召集起来，我说，听着，不要官僚主义，不要繁文缛节，也不要借口。把事情办妥。我们需要让这些桥梁重新开放。派恩岛大桥在3天后重新开放。萨尼贝尔堤道在那之后2周开放，比计划大大提前，因为我们不接受“不行”这个答案。

而且我们想确保把事情办妥。所以对我来说，这不是一句你上台之后就抛诸脑后的竞选口号。作为一名美国公民，即使我没有参选，这也会是一个让我困扰的问题。作为佛罗里达州州长，我投入了大量政治资本来打击非法移民。上任第一年，我们就禁止了庇护城市。我们刚刚在佛罗里达州通过了一项强有力的反非法移民法案。那是一项正在发挥作用的措施。

我在佛罗里达礁岛群部署了海上力量，帮助海岸警卫队阻止来自海地等地的船只。我现在派了人员前往南部边境帮助得克萨斯州，我们甚至还成功把非法移民转移到了玛莎葡萄园岛这样的地方。所以我认为，可能没有任何一位州长会如此不遗余力地采取更多行动，试图对这个问题产生影响。而我不会接受“不行”这个答案。我认为我们的选民已经受够了那些空洞的承诺。

他们希望看到行动。

谢谢您，州长。

嗯，州长，我看到了，是的，我看到了本周《时代》杂志的封面，我觉得他们是想做一篇负面报道，因为他们弄了。你在他们为你画的这幅肖像里似乎正皱着眉头。文章里他们称你为，他们把你比作终结者，我觉得他们本意是侮辱。但我觉得这还挺酷的。我觉得这是件好事，因为我认为我们需要一个头脑冷静、冷酷无情的杀手进去，而他们去对付觉醒派暴民、对付我们失控的政府，并对付边境之类的问题。

所以再说一次，我觉得这让你听起来很棒，尽管那可能并不是他们的本意。

嗯，归根结底，我们所从事的这一整件事就是要拿出成果。我不在乎那些大张旗鼓的宣传。你知道，我是州长，就像，那就是别人对我的认识，对吧？而且我在州内到处走，所有人都非常友善。所以，我的意思是，我感谢大家的祝福，但是。但是我不需要任何那种大张旗鼓的宣传。我不需要任何吹捧。我只知道自己身处一个有机会带来改变的位置，而我要么正在做到这一点，要么没有。

我还记得，4年半前担任州长的第一天，我坐在州议会大厦的办公桌前。我环顾房间，心想，我不知道会是哪个狗娘养的接替我坐上这把椅子。我但是他们不会有任何事情可做，因为我要把骨头上的肉全剔干净。我会确保自己积极投入各项议题并产生影响。而我们已经在佛罗里达州做到了这一点。

而我会把这种一模一样的态度带到宾夕法尼亚大道1600号。

州长，我很想插句话并

就此追问一下。

我是克里斯·鲁福，过去几年，我有幸与您就批判性种族理论、性别意识形态和 DEI 官僚体系开展合作。我近距离亲眼看到的是，尽管几十年来许多保守派政客靠着打文化战争登上头条、出现在电视上，但他们实际上从未做成任何事。

而您在过去

几年里所做的事情确实令人惊叹。您已经从佛罗里达州所有公共机构中清除了 CRT。您让性别意识形态在 K-12 教育中戛然而止。就在上周，您还清除了佛罗里达州所有公立大学中的 DEI 官僚体系。它们将被彻底关闭。我认为，您所做的是确立了一套蓝图，用以反击左翼对各机构的长期进军，并确保这些机构体现佛罗里达州选民的价值观，而不是左翼活动人士和党派媒体的价值观。

所以我想问您的是，您知道，华盛顿特区是另一种动物。联邦政府的规模截然不同，您要如何取得成果？面对华盛顿特区的沼泽，您的文化文化战争策略是什么？

嗯，其中一些方面在这一点上是相似的。当我们处理 DEI 之类的问题时，会遭到传统媒体和极左派的反击。但这个议题就是一个例子，说明他们与绝大多数美国人的立场脱节。不只是共和党人，还包括独立人士和许多民主党人。因为你想想，如果你是一个，如果你是一位家长，而且你有孩子，你会希望知道，当他们申请大学时，他们会依据自身的能力接受评判，而不会在某种觉醒奥运会中因为不符合某个类别而成为牺牲品。

于是他们就被剥夺了机会。他们希望确保成就很重要。因此，我们在许多这类事情上得到了大量不公开的支持。所以我认为，我之所以会这么做，只是因为，听着，我是蓝领家庭的孩子，在坦帕湾地区长大，靠打最低工资的工来完成学业。我的祖父曾在宾夕法尼亚州西部的钢铁厂工作。我只是凭直觉知道普通人对所有这些事情大概是怎么想的。

而且我很清楚什么时候传统媒体和左翼偏离了普通美国人的立场，因为人们希望你运用常识，DEI 之类的事情就是如此。我的意思是，在我成长的年代，我认为情况更好，因为人们实际上被告知应该努力和睦相处。现在他们被告知需要实行隔离。他们试图做所有这些事情，简直疯狂。因此，通过清除这些东西，很多人对此真的非常高兴，其中包括那些肯定不是传统共和党人的人。

我认为，当你在联邦层面这么做时，也存在类似的问题。还有一个事实是，联邦层面拥有一些我们在州层面未必具备的工具。例如，大学存在的一些问题以及这种并非偶然发生的意识形态俘获，一直可以追溯到认证垄断集团。那么，你猜怎么着？要成为认证机构，你要怎么做？你必须获得美国

教育部的批准。所以我们将推行替代性的认证制度，不再说只有实行 DEI 才能获得认证，而是会有认证机构说，如果你实行 DEI，我们就不会认证你。我们想要一种不考虑肤色、以能力为本的认证机制。因此，作为总统，作为控制该机构的总统，你随后就可以批准其他类型的认证。所以我认为，其中一部分就是要知道所有的压力点在哪里？

事情是如何发展到我们后来看到的那一步，并让像你这样的人就此做一份报道的？比如，当你看到某所大学的某个社会学系炮制出的一些骇人听闻的东西时，那并不是凭空发生的，我们走到那一步是有原因的。我认为，联邦政府拥有一些工具，你可以借此进行反击，并努力让这些机构锚定在一个更具根本性的方向上，即，嘿，我们在这里追求真理，我们不是来试图把一种小众意识形态强加给全体学生的。

很好。

换个话题。

达娜·拉什，你有一个，一个问题或意见要对州长说吗？

有。非常感谢你们两位抽出时间，以一种非常新颖的方式加入我们。我真的很感激。我觉得这真的很酷。也感谢你们对言论自由的支持。还有埃隆，我必须说，谢谢你承受那些攻击，也谢谢你解除对我们所有人的账号限流；我们曾因为分享《纽约邮报》一篇有关一台笔记本电脑的报道而惹上麻烦。州长，我想感谢，我想感谢您的领导力，以及您对第二修正案权利坚定不移的支持。

而且您明天会上我的节目，我只想说，我会在初选中投票给您，所以我非常感激。我。您刚才谈到了 DEI，我想问你们两位，这种针对自然权利和自由企业、日益加剧的威胁。这就是取消银行服务的威胁。现在我知道，您知道，埃隆，我读过很多有关您以及您所经历之事的内容。您曾把 ESG 标准称为邪恶的化身。

德桑蒂斯州长，今年早些时候，富国银行抛弃了佛罗里达州一家非常知名、备受尊敬的枪支经销商的企业和企业及个人账户，佛罗里达州由此见识到了被金融武器化的觉醒主义。他们与富国银行已经合作了25年，而富国银行援引了新的 ESG 指导方针，这类似于司法部此前的“咽喉点行动”。这些推动各种事业的活动人士正利用这种监管指导，以风险管理为由，取消他们认为政治不正确的企业所享有的银行服务。

我们说，我们的权利不应受到政府侵犯。但对于由活动人士引导的金融机构，以及这些实质上正在切断守法公民和企业服务的支付处理商，能够并且应该采取什么措施？

嗯，我认为这只是，这是一个根本性问题，我认为还没有足够多的保守派明智地意识到这一点。我认为越来越多的人正在意识到。但归根结底，我们拥有某些基本权利。所以，也许你是一个，你知道，对自己的第二修正案权利感到非常振奋的人，而且显然，如果政府介入并侵犯这项权利，我们知道你会对此揭发示警，那是个问题。但如果华尔街银行相互勾结，让某个人无法在这个领域开展活动，无论是经营一家商店，还是从事任何与之相关的事情，那该怎么办？在这种情况下，你的权利仍然受到了侵犯。

所以我认为，整个 ESG 运动实际上是在试图通过金融部门实现他们永远无法通过投票箱实现的目标。因此，他们正试图绕过宪政体系，而且他们确实在试图改变政策，他们在试图改变社会，也在试图改变人们权利的范围。所以在佛罗里达州，我刚刚签署了反 ESG 法案，其中规定了诸如我们的养老基金不得采用 ESG 标准之类的内容。

我们有规模达 1800 亿美元的州养老基金，消费者去银行时不得使用社会信用评分。换句话说，如果你申请贷款，这笔贷款应根据你的信用状况来评判，而不是根据你是否向适当的左翼事业卑躬屈膝。但我们确实做了一件事，就是针对这种觉醒派银行的取消银行服务行为提供了保护。不得基于你的宗教信仰和其他方面进行歧视，而我们，我们知道这种事情正在发生。

所以我认为，这是一个，一个，一个根本性问题，但如果大型金融机构能够通过经济来实现人们无法通过投票箱实现的事情，我们就不会是一个自由社会。最终结果将是我们的权利受到限制。而这对一个自由国家来说并不健康。

你知道，接着这个话题，州长，达娜提到了“咽喉点行动”。这是硅谷的加密货币公司和金融科技公司非常熟悉的一个术语。基本上，它指的是联邦政府，包括 SEC，试图通过监管从根本上让区块链和加密货币公司无法生存。生存。他们确实觉得自己正在被赶出这个国家。我说的不是那些骗人的公司，也不是像 FTX 那种完全虚假的公司，而是真正高质量的好公司，包括 Coinbase 这样的上市公司。

而这些人基本上是在恳求政府给出一个框架。他们只是说，告诉我们怎样合法运营，我们就会照做。你知道，我想问，你，你在这个问题上持什么立场？你的看法是什么？看法，我想更广泛地说，你对比特币以及人们持有比特币并……的权利怎么看

交易比特币和那些币种。你完全有权使用比特币。这些华盛顿的人不喜欢它，唯一的原因就是他们无法控制它，而且他们是中央规划者，他们想要控制社会。因此，比特币对他们构成了威胁。所以，正如你所说，他们正试图通过监管让它不复存在。听着，国会能否根据宪法制定一项法令，禁止比特币之类的东西？

他们或许能做到。我会反对那样做。我认为人们应该能够使用比特币，但国会从未以这种方式处理过这个问题。而官僚机构就这样自行其是，并使人们能够在这一领域开展活动，这就是我们说必须把政府交还给人民选出的代表时所指的意思，他们是我们的声音，能够作出这些决定。因此，作为总统，我们将保护人们做诸如此类事情的能力。

比如比特币。我认为这些人是。是有经验的。他们可以作出决定。这其中存在风险。但是。但是就让他们那么做吧。我就是没有那种非得控制人们可能在这个领域做的一切事情的冲动。而且我认为，现政权显然执意要打击比特币，如果再持续4年，他们最后很可能会扼杀它。

对，我认为你说得对。而且我认为，这也是硅谷从事这个领域的人们的强烈感受。我想，听到你对此的回答，他们会受到鼓舞。我的意思是，奇怪的是。而且加密货币推特上有一个庞大的群体。所以，对于那些可能属于政治推特、想知道我们为什么在谈这件事的人来说，这个话题确实拥有庞大的受众。

狗狗币也是。我就是这么说的。

对，比特币和狗狗币。

所以，向外面所有狗狗币粉丝致意。但奇怪的是，本届政府似乎想禁止比特币，却又想创建一种CBDC，也就是中央银行数字货币。

你对此有什么看法？

所以，我们是第1个州。就在上个月，我们实际上推动佛罗里达州议会通过了一项法律，规定佛罗里达州不承认中央银行数字货币，因为有些州实际上正把它加入本州的《统一商法典》。你知道，联邦政府正在研究这件事。我们采取了相反的做法，并说我们做了。现在，我们之所以这么做，是因为美联储说的是，嗯，你知道，我们会与国会协商，也会与行政部门协商。

我们目前没有CBDC。

而且。

理想情况下，我们会为国会获得授权。好吧，等一下。这不是“理想情况下”，你必须获得国会授权。我认为国会不会授权。所以他们试图单方面这么做。我们正努力为佛罗里达州这里的人们提供保护。我知道拜登签署了行政命令。他们正在研究。我可以告诉你，如果我是总统，我们不会推行中央银行数字货币。我认为那会是对人们金融自由和金融隐私的巨大、巨大侵犯。

还有，哦，顺便说一句，这么做的必然结果会是什么？如果中央机构拥有对此的监督权，他们当然会开始强制实施ESG标准。哦，等一下。你这周给油箱加了3次油。你不能再加了。他们会如何操纵这一切，天……所以我认为这是一次大规模的权力转移，权力从个体消费者转移到中央机构，而我认为这对自由社会并不是好事。

所以，我反对中央银行数字货币。

听起来不错。

对。

很好。

好吧，州长，我想感谢您抽出时间。我们可以在这里谈上几个小时，但我知道您只有1个小时，而我们已经超时了。所以我想尊重您的时间。我知道有很多人想提问，我们应该再做一次。

我是说，我认为是这样。而且我认为这很棒，我们会确保再回来做一次。这是一个。这是一个很棒的平台。我希望看到其他平台也朝同样的方向发展，但是，你知道，一个健康的民主社会需要充分而有力的辩论。所以我只想感谢大家收听，我再呼吁一次。你知道，我们希望你加入这个团队。我们非常希望你前往RonDeSantis.com捐款，这样我们就能拿下这次提名，并赢得2024年11月的选举。

愿上帝保佑大家，谢谢你们。

谢谢您，州长。还有，对，我们的房间里有超过300,000人。这确实相当不可思议。而且，你知道，我们一开始遇到了一些技术问题，因为我们所做的事情规模极大，而且前所未有。但重要的不是你如何开始，而是你如何结束。我认为这次收尾非常强劲。

所以，对，我认为这就是。这对人们来说真的很棒，可以直接听到总统候选人讲话，并且进行。以对话的语气来进行，这显然意味着，你知道，它不会完美，因为这不是照稿念的，所以。但是它是真实的。我认为这确实让人们有机会以一种真实的方式了解谁可能会成为他们的总统。所以非常感谢您来参加并做这件事。

而且，任何其他可能想这么做的候选人都可以接受我们的邀请。

当然。让人们直接听到候选人的声音非常重要。所以感谢你们与我们合作举办这场历史性活动，期待未来的对话，也期待展开一场精彩的全国性讨论。

好了，各位。谢谢大家只是。

再见。

再见。

再见。

好。

我想我们正在播出，伙计。我想我们刚才把互联网搞崩了。

对，那太疯狂了。抱歉。我们实际上是在用大卫·萨克斯的Twitter账户做这件事，因为看起来从我的账户做，基本上把Twitter系统搞崩了。总之，感谢大家加入。我们无比激动地宣布这个。你们必须让德桑蒂斯州长与我们一起发布这项历史性声明，然后期待观众的现场问答。所以，对，就这样。

对。我的意思是，那么桑托斯州长，能。您在吗？能听见我们吗？我想您弄崩了。

我在。

我知道。我想。我想您刚才把互联网搞崩了。我们在一个Twitter Space里有超过500,000人，而且每分钟增加大约50,000人。所以恭喜您把互联网搞崩了。

嗯，对，对。

我的意思是，尝试一些新事物。

你会。

这很有冒险精神。所以，是的，我认为这里的价值其实非常高，人们可以直接听到总统候选人的声音，并现场回答问答。你可以了解到一位候选人真实的样子，你知道，而且这里不只是套话演讲和提词器。事实上，你可以从，你知道，其中一些错误看出。看出这是真实的。

对。

所以总之，说到这里，我想我应该把话交给。

对。好吧，让我们看看。所以，对。州长，过去几个月里，外界对您的计划有很多猜测。我了解到您可能有一项声明要发布。我想，我们这里聚集了创纪录的听众。你知道，这可能是网上有史以来聚集起来的最大房间。您想对他们说些什么？

好吧，我正在竞选美国总统，以领导我们伟大的美国复兴。听着，我们知道我们的国家正走在错误的方向上。我们亲眼看得到，也能切身感受到。我们的南部边境已经崩溃。毒品正大量涌入这个国家。激增的犯罪正在掏空我们的城市。联邦政府正让普通家庭更难维持收支平衡，也更难获得并维持中产阶级的生活方式。

而我们的总统，嗯，他缺乏活力，在我国面临的挑战面前不知所措，而且听命于觉醒派暴民。我认为事情不必如此。美国的衰落并非不可避免。这是一种选择。我们应该选择一个新方向，一条通往美国复兴的道路。我们必须让我们的国家恢复理智。这意味着接受财政和经济上的理智。停止通过造成通货膨胀的借贷、印钞和支出政策，让辛勤工作的美国人无力维持良好的生活水平。

而且请拥护美国的能源独立。这也意味着用现实、事实和历久弥新的原则取代觉醒思想病毒。能力必须战胜身份政治。我们必须让我们的社区恢复正常。美国是一个主权国家。我们的边境必须受到尊重。我们不能让外国人数以百万计地非法涌入我国。我们不能允许贩毒集团用芬太尼毒害我国民众。

公众理应拥有安全的社区。美国城市必须维持法律和秩序。我们不能让精神病人管理疯人院。我们必须反对针对执法人员的攻击。我们还必须重建我国机构的诚信。这包括军队。我为自己曾在海军服役并参加过伊拉克战争而自豪，我敬重我们的军种。但当那些备受尊崇的机构，比如我们的军队，更关心与任务核心无关的事务时，无论是全球变暖，还是性别、意识形态和代词，士气都会下降，征兵也会受到影响。

而且你需要消除这些干扰。我们需要专注于核心使命。如果最重大的问题是由未经选举的官僚随心所欲地决定，而不是由人民选出的代表决定，我们也不可能拥有真正的宪政政府。重建我们机构的公信力，意味着我们必须通过把政府归还给其合法的主人，来重振我们的宪政制度。

我们人民。没有代表权，就不能进行社会或经济变革。真相需要成为我们的根基。常识不能再是一种罕见的美德。在佛罗里达州，我们证明了这是可以做到的。我们选择事实而非恐惧，选择教育而非灌输，选择法律和秩序而非骚乱和混乱。当自由悬于一线时，我们守住了阵线。因此，我们正蓬勃发展。佛罗里达州是全美人口增长最快的州。

我们的净迁入人口位居第1，新成立企业数量位居第1，最近在教育方面被评为第1。我们的犯罪率降至50年来的最低水平，人均税负和债务也属于全美最低之列。但我们也明白，执政不是娱乐。它不是为了打造品牌或作道德姿态。它是为了取得成果。而我们在佛罗里达州取得的成果首屈一指。我们能够、也必须为美国取得重大成果。

我承诺成为一名精力充沛、会处理重大问题的行政长官。拜登推行的通胀政策正在伤害劳动人民。我们将扭转这些政策，并建设一个让美国劳动者能够达到良好生活水平的经济。拜登开放了南部边境，任由大量毒品涌入美国。我们将关闭边境、修建边境墙，并追究贩毒集团的责任。

拜登拥抱医疗威权主义，例如违宪的新冠疫苗强制令。我们将确保这些侵犯自由的行为永远不会再次发生。拜登任由觉醒意识形态主导他的议程。我们绝不会向觉醒暴民投降，我们会把觉醒意识形态扔进历史的垃圾堆。拜登还将军队政治化，导致征兵人数暴跌。我们将从军队中清除意识形态议程。

让军队专注于核心使命，我们将扭转糟糕的征兵趋势。最后，拜登把行政国家的权力武器化，以推进他的左翼议程。我们将使行政部门重新符合宪法，并让行政国家就范。现在，你做不到其中任何一件事。

我们。

如果你不能获胜，胜利是无可替代的。我们必须终结近年来侵蚀共和党的失败文化。过去那些陈旧的教条不足以造就一个充满活力的未来。我们必须向前看，而不是向后看。我们需要。

来自东方的现场问答。那么，是的，就这样。

是的，我是说，那么。桑托斯州长，你在吗？能听见我们吗？我想你断了。

我在。

我知道。我想，我想你刚才让互联网崩了。一个Twitter空间里有超过50万人，而且还以大约每分钟50,000人的速度增长。

所以。

25。如果你看看巴尔的摩和芝加哥这样的城市，那里的孩子中枪的可能性，比接受一流一流教育的可能性还要高。然而，对于那些地方正在发生的种种暴行和杀戮，我却没看到全国有色人种协进会有任何反应。

萨姆。

萨。

好了，我们开始吧。

好。

我想我们正在播出，伙计。我想我们刚才把互联网搞崩了。

是的，太疯狂了。抱歉。

我们。

实际上，我现在是通过戴维·萨克斯的Twitter账户来做这件事，因为看起来从我的账户操作，基本上把Twitter系统搞崩了。总之，感谢大家加入。我们无比激动地宣布，德桑蒂斯州长将与我们一道发布这项历史性声明，我也期待着来自东方的现场问答。那么，是的，就这样。

是的，我是说，那么，桑托斯州长，你在吗？能听见我们吗？我想你。我在。我知道。我想。我想你刚才让互联网崩了。一个Twitter空间里有超过50万人，而且还以大约每分钟50,000人的速度增长。所以恭喜你让互联网崩了。

嗯，是的，是的。

我是说，尝试一些，你知道，新东西。

你会。

这很有冒险精神。所以。是的，但我认为这里的价值其实非常高，人们可以直接听到总统候选人发言，并听他们现场回答问答，你可以了解一位候选人真实的样子，你知道，而且这不只是罐头、特写和提词器。事实上，你可以通过，你知道，其中一些错误看出来。那是真实的。

是的。

所以总之，说到这里，我想我应该把话交给。

是的，好吧，让我们看看。那么，是的。州长，过去几个月里，外界对你的计划有很多猜测。我了解到你可能有一项声明要发布。我想，我们这里聚集了创纪录的听众。你知道，这可能是有史以来在线聚集的最大房间。你想对他们说些什么？

嗯，我正在竞选美国总统，以领导我们伟大的美国复兴。听着，我们知道我们的国家正朝着错误的方向前进。我们亲眼看到了，也从骨子里感受到了。我们的南部边境崩溃了。毒品正大量涌入这个国家。犯罪激增正在掏空我们的城市。联邦政府正让普通家庭更难维持收支平衡，也更难获得并维持中产阶级的生活方式。

而我们的总统，嗯，他缺乏活力，面对我们国家的挑战时举步维艰。而且他听命于觉醒派暴民。我不认为事情非得如此。美国的衰落并非不可避免。它是一种选择。而我们应该选择一个新方向，一条将引领美国重焕生机的道路。我们必须让理智重回我们的国家。这意味着接受财政和经济上的理智。停止通过会引发通胀的借贷、印钞和支出政策，让勤劳的美国人无力维持良好的生活水平。

并且请拥抱美国的能源独立。这也意味着用现实、事实和持久不变的原则取代觉醒思想病毒。才干必须胜过身份政治。我们必须让社区恢复正常。美国是一个主权国家。我们的边境必须得到尊重。我们不能让数以百万计的外国人非法涌入我国。我们也不能允许贩毒集团用芬太尼毒害我们的民众。

公众理应享有安全的社区。美国城市必须维持法律和秩序。我们不能让囚犯管理疯人院。我们必须反对针对执法人员的攻击。我们还必须重建我们各机构的诚信。这包括军队。我为自己是一名海军退伍军人、一名伊拉克战争退伍军人而自豪，我也敬重我们的军种。但当像我们军队中的那些备受尊崇的机构更关心与使命核心无关的事务时，无论是全球变暖，还是性别、意识形态和代词，士气都会下降，征兵也会受到影响。

而你需要消除这些干扰。我们需要专注于核心使命。如果最重大的问题由未经选举的官僚随心所欲地决定，而不是由人民选出的代表决定，我们也不可能拥有真正的宪政政府。重建我们各机构的诚信，意味着我们必须把政府交还给其正当的主人，从而重新振兴我们的宪政体制。

我们人民。没有代表权，就不能进行社会或经济改造。真相需要成为我们的根基。常识不能再是一种罕见的美德。而在佛罗里达州，我们证明了这是可以做到的。我们选择事实而不是恐惧，选择教育而不是灌输，选择法律和秩序而不是骚乱和混乱。当自由命悬一线时，我们守住了阵线。因此，我们蓬勃发展。佛罗里达州是全国人口增长最快的州。

我们在净迁入方面排名第一，新企业成立数量排名第一，最近在教育方面排名第一。我们的犯罪率处于50年来的最低水平，而且是美国人均税负和债务最低的地区之一。但我们也明白，治理不是娱乐。它不是为了打造品牌或进行美德示范。它关乎取得成果。而我们在佛罗里达州取得的成果首屈一指。我们能够、也必须为美国取得重大成果。

我承诺成为一名精力充沛、会处理重大问题的行政领导人。拜登推行的通胀政策正在伤害劳动者。我们将扭转这些政策，并建设一个让辛勤工作的美国人能够达到良好生活水平的经济。拜登开放了南部边境，允许大量毒品涌入这个国家。我们将关闭边境、修建边境墙，并追究贩毒集团的责任。

拜登拥抱了医疗威权主义，比如违宪的新冠疫苗强制令。我们将确保这些侵犯自由的行为永远不会再次发生。拜登允许 WOKE 意识形态主导他的议程。我们绝不会向 WOKE 暴民投降，我们会把 WOKE 意识形态扔进历史的垃圾堆。拜登还把军队政治化，导致征兵人数暴跌。我们将从军队中清除意识形态议程。

让军队专注于核心使命，我们将扭转糟糕的征兵趋势。最后，拜登把行政国家的权力武器化，以推进他的左翼议程。我们将使行政部门重新符合宪法，并让行政国家俯首听命。现在，如果你赢不了，这些事一件也做不到。胜利无可替代。我们必须终结近年来侵蚀共和党的失败文化。

过去那些陈旧的教条不足以应对一个充满活力的未来。我们必须向前看，而不是向后看。我们需要领导的勇气，也必须具备获胜的力量。对于参加这次初选的选民，我向你们作出如下承诺。如果你们提名我，可以把时钟定到2025年1月20日正午。因为届时，我将在美国国会大厦西侧宣誓就任美国第47任总统。

没有借口。我会把事情办成。现在。过去这几年让我对我们的自由何其脆弱有了新的认识。我从没想过，自己会在美国看到我们在 COVID 19 大流行期间看到的那些事情。但我们的开国元勋在制定宪法时，敏锐地意识到了自由的脆弱。他们在研究了人类历史上每一个共和国的历史之后前来武装。他们注意到，所有这些尝试只有一个共同点。

那就是：它们无一例外都失败了。因此，他们知道，确定人民是否真的能够自治这一重任落在了我们的国家——美利坚合众国——身上。我们能否建立一个这样的社会：我们的权利由上帝赋予，而非政府授予；社会依照法治，而不是个别人的统治来运作？当本杰明·富兰克林博士走出那场制宪会议时，有人问他，你们带来的是一个共和国还是一个君主国？

他说，是共和国，如果你们守得住的话。他们知道，自由不会自动运行。他们知道，每一代人都有责任捍卫自由。在我国历史上的这一重要关头，这也是我们的责任。为了确保国家重回正轨，我们还有大量工作要做。我请求每一位正在收听的人加入我的这项使命。请访问 rondisantis.com 并捐款，为我们的竞选活动投入资金。

谢谢。愿上帝保佑，我期待接下来的讨论。

好的，谢谢您，州长。非常感谢。我想，先作第一个追问，感谢您容忍这些技术问题。我认为我们无疑正在这里开辟新天地。据我所知，此前从未有任何主要总统候选人以这种方式在社交媒体上宣布参选，当然更没有在 Twitter Space 上这么做。所以感谢您这样做。与仅仅在有线电视新闻上或按通常方式宣布相比，是什么让您愿意冒险采用这种方式？

嗯，新冠疫情来袭时，我必须作出决定：是随大流，还是亲自查看数据、反其道而行之？我选择了后者。这样做让我遭到了来自官僚机构、精英和媒体的强烈反弹。但我的看法是，我必须照顾我所代表的人民，比起设法保住自己的政治饭碗，更应优先保护他们的工作。但在作出其中许多决定时，我非常、非常孤独。

如此孤独的部分原因，是有人齐心协力试图压制异议。对于封锁、关闭学校、强制佩戴口罩，以及我们在新冠疫情期间不得不应对的所有这些不同事情，都有一种官方叙事。那是一套由主要科技平台与联邦政府联合强制推行的正统观念。如果在一个自由国家，我们都不能就封锁这类影响数亿人的问题展开坦诚辩论，那么第一修正案在那时又有什么用？

那些恰恰是我们需要展开辩论、需要激烈辩论的时刻。你们不应该下架批评那些严酷政策的文章。然而，发生的恰恰就是这种事。所以我意识到，如果这种情况持续下去，我认为这个国家的言论自由就要被扫地出门了。因此，当埃隆·马斯克站出来收购 Twitter 时，他为此支付了很多钱。而且因为他是一位优秀的商人，我相信，埃隆，我相信你最终会从中赚到钱；但归根结底，你必须用真金白银兑现自己的主张，因为我认为你认识到，除非我们拥有就影响我们文明的最重要问题展开辩论的自由，否则就不可能拥有一个自由社会。

这在新冠疫情期间并未发生。真相一再遭到审查。现在 Twitter 掌握在一位言论自由倡导者手中，这种事将无法在这个 Twitter 平台上再次发生。所以我认为，对 Twitter 所做的事情对我国的未来确实意义重大。我们不能拥有一个政府与主要科技平台相互勾结、强制推行一种正统观念的社会。

嗯，谢谢。是的，我们绝对致力于言论自由、公平竞争环境以及充满活力的辩论。希望这能成为一个平台，让持不同政治观点的人前来交流这些观点，也许一些人的想法会以这样或那样的方式发生改变。

萨。

好的。

我想我们正在播出，伙计。我觉得我们刚才把互联网都搞瘫了。

是的，刚才太疯狂了。抱歉。我们实际上是通过戴维·萨克斯的 Twitter 账号进行这次活动，因为看起来如果通过我的账号进行，基本上会把 Twitter 系统搞崩。总之，感谢大家加入。我们无比激动地宣布。

请德桑蒂斯州长与我们一起发布这项历史性公告，随后期待与听众进行现场问答。那么，是的，就这样。

是的，我是说，那么桑托斯州长，能。你在吗？能听见我们吗？我觉得你。我在。我知道。我觉得，我觉得你刚才让互联网崩溃了。一个 Twitter Space 里有超过 50万人，而且每分钟还在增加大约 50,000人。所以恭喜你让互联网崩溃了。

嗯，是的，是的。

我是说，尝试一些，你知道，新事物。

你会。

是的，这很有冒险性。所以。

是的。

所以我认为，这里的价值其实非常高，人们可以直接听到总统候选人讲话，并现场回答问答，你可以了解一位候选人真实是什么样的，你知道，而且这不只是照本宣科的演讲和提词器。事实上，你可以从，你知道，一些错误中看出来，它是真实的。

是的。

所以不管怎样，说到这里，我想我应该把话交给。

是的，好吧，让我们看看。所以，是的。州长，过去几个月里，外界对你的计划有很多猜测。我了解到你可能有一项声明要发表。我想，我们这里聚集了创纪录的听众，你知道，这可能是有史以来规模最大的线上聊天室。你想对他们说什么？

好吧，我正在竞选美国总统，以领导我们伟大的美国复兴。听着，我们知道我们的国家正朝着错误的方向前进。我们亲眼看到这一点，也切身感受到这一点。我们的南部边境崩溃了。毒品正大量涌入这个国家。激增的犯罪正在掏空我们的城市。联邦政府正让普通家庭更难维持生计，也更难获得并维持中产阶级的生活方式。

而我们的总统，嗯，他缺乏活力。面对我们国家的挑战时举步维艰，而且他听从觉醒派暴民的指示。我不认为事情非得如此。美国的衰落并非不可避免。这是一种选择。而我们应该选择一个新方向，一条将引领美国重焕生机的道路。我们必须让理智重回我们的国家。这意味着拥抱财政和经济理性。停止通过造成通胀的借贷、印钞和支出政策，让勤劳的美国人无力负担良好的生活水平。

并请拥抱美国的能源独立。这也意味着用现实、事实和和持久的原则取代觉醒思想病毒。能力必须胜过身份政治。我们必须让正常状态回归我们的社区。美国是一个主权国家。我们的边境必须得到尊重。我们不能让数以百万计的外国人非法涌入我们的国家。我们不能允许贩毒集团用芬太尼毒害我们的民众。

公众理应拥有安全的社区。美国城市必须维护法律和秩序。我们不能让精神病人管理精神病院。我们还必须拒绝对执法部门男女工作人员的攻击。我们也必须在我们的机构中重新建立诚信。这包括军队。我为自己是一名海军退伍军人、一名伊拉克战争退伍军人而自豪，而且我敬重我们的军种。但当像我们军队中的那些受人敬重的机构更加关心与任务核心无关的事项时，无论是全球变暖，还是性别、意识形态和代词，士气都会下降，征兵也会受到影响。

而且你需要消除这些干扰。我们需要专注于核心使命。如果最重大的问题是由未经选举的官僚随心所欲地决定，而不是由人民选出的代表决定，我们也不可能拥有真正的宪政政府。重建我们制度的诚信，意味着我们必须通过将政府归还给其正当的所有者，来重振我们的宪政体制。

我们人民。没有代表权，就不得进行社会或经济改造。真相需要成为我们的根基。常识不能再是一种罕见的美德。我们在佛罗里达州证明了这是可以做到的。我们选择事实而非恐惧，选择教育而非灌输，选择法律与秩序而非骚乱与混乱。当自由悬于一线时，我们守住了阵线。因此，我们正蓬勃发展。佛罗里达州是全美人口增长最快的州。

我们在净迁入方面排名第1，在新企业成立数量方面排名第1，最近在教育方面也被评为第1。我们的犯罪率处于50年来的最低水平，人均税负和债务也是全美最低之列。但我们也明白，治理不是娱乐。它不是为了打造品牌或进行道德表态。它关乎交付成果。而我们在佛罗里达州取得的成果首屈一指。我们能够、也必须为美国交付重大成果。

我承诺成为一名精力充沛的行政长官，处理那些重要问题。拜登推行的通胀性政策正在伤害劳动人民。我们将扭转那些政策，并建立一个让美国劳动者能够达到良好生活水平的经济。拜登打开了南部边境，允许大量毒品涌入这个国家。我们将封锁边境，修建边境墙，并追究贩毒集团的责任。

拜登拥抱医疗威权主义，例如违宪的新冠疫苗强制令。我们将确保那些侵犯自由的行为永远不会再次发生。拜登允许觉醒意识形态主导他的议程。我们绝不会向觉醒暴民投降，我们会把觉醒意识形态扔进历史的垃圾堆。拜登还把军队政治化，导致征兵人数暴跌。我们将从军队中清除意识形态议程，让军队专注于核心使命，并扭转糟糕的征兵趋势。

最后，拜登把行政国家的权力武器化，以推进他的左翼议程。我们将使行政部门重新符合宪法，并让行政国家俯首听命。现在，你做不了其中任何一件事。我们，如果你赢不了，胜利就无可替代。我们必须终结近年来侵蚀共和党的失败文化。过去那些陈旧的教条不足以支撑一个充满活力的未来。

我们必须向前看，而不是向后看。我们需要领导的勇气，也必须拥有获胜的力量。对于正在参与这场初选的选民，我对你们的承诺是这样的。如果你们提名我，可以把时钟定在2025年1月20日正午。因为我将在美国国会大厦西侧宣誓就任美国第47任总统。没有借口。我现在就会把事情办成。

过去这几年让我对我们自由的脆弱有了新的认识。我从未想过自己会在美国看到我们在COVID-19疫情期间看到的那些事情。但我们的开国元勋在制定宪法时敏锐地意识到了自由的脆弱，他们在研究了每一个共和国的历史和人类历史之后前来武装。他们注意到，所有这些试验只有一个共同点。

那就是这一点。它们无一例外都失败了。因此，他们知道，确定人民是否真的能够自治，这项任务落到了我们的国家、美利坚合众国身上。我们能否拥有一个建立在这种理念之上的社会：我们的权利由上帝赋予，而非政府授予；社会依靠法治而非个别人之治来运转？当本杰明·富兰克林博士走出那场制宪会议时，有人问他：你们带来的是共和国还是君主国？

他说，一个共和国，如果你们守得住的话。他们知道，自由不会依靠自动驾驶运行。他们知道，每一代人都有责任捍卫自由。在我国历史的这个重要关头，这样做正是我们的责任。为了确保国家重回正轨，我们还有大量工作要做。我请求每一位正在收听的人加入我的这项使命。请访问RonDeSantis.com捐款，为我们的竞选投入资金。

谢谢。愿上帝保佑，我期待接下来的讨论。

好的，谢谢你，州长。非常感谢。我想先在这里追问一下，感谢你容忍这些技术问题。我认为我们无疑正在这里开辟新天地。据我所知，此前没有任何主要总统候选人曾以这种方式在社交媒体上宣布参选，当然也没有在Twitter Space上这么做。所以感谢你这样做。是什么让你愿意冒险采用这种方式，而不是仅仅在有线电视新闻上或以通常的方式宣布？

嗯，新冠疫情来袭时，我必须作出决定：你是随大流，还是亲自查看数据并逆势而行？我选择了后者。这样做让我遭到了官僚机构、精英和媒体的强烈反对。但我的看法是，我必须照顾好我所代表的人民，宁可保护他们的工作，也不去设法保全自己的政治前途。但在作出其中许多决定时，我都非常、非常孤独。

之所以如此孤独，部分原因是当时有人齐心协力试图压制异议。关于封锁、关闭学校、强制佩戴口罩，以及我们在新冠疫情期间不得不应对的所有这些不同事情，都存在一种官方叙事。那是一套由主要科技平台与联邦政府联合强制推行的正统观念。如果在一个自由国家里，我们不能就封锁这类影响数亿人的问题展开坦诚辩论，那么到那个时候，第一修正案还有什么用？

那些恰恰是我们需要进行辩论、让辩论充分展开的时刻。你们不应该撤下批评那些严酷政策的文章。然而，发生的恰恰就是这种事。所以我想到，如果这种情况继续下去，我认为这个国家的言论自由就要被扫地出门了。因此，当埃隆·马斯克站出来收购Twitter时，他为此付了很多钱。我相信，因为他是一位优秀的商人，埃隆，当然，你最终会从中赚到钱，但归根结底，你必须言行一致、拿出真金白银，因为我认为你认识到，除非我们拥有就影响我们文明的最重要问题展开辩论的自由，否则就不可能拥有一个自由社会。

这种情况在新冠疫情期间并不存在。真相一再遭到审查。如今Twitter掌握在一位言论自由倡导者手中，这种情况将无法在Twitter平台上再次发生。因此，我认为Twitter所经历的变化对我们国家的未来确实意义重大。我们不能拥有一个政府与主要科技平台相互勾结、强制推行一种正统观念的社会。

嗯，谢谢。是的，我们绝对致力于言论自由、公平的竞争环境以及充满活力的辩论。希望这能成为一个让政治观点不同的人交流各自观点的平台，也许一些人的想法会以这样或那样的方式发生改变。而且。但是，正如你所强调的，如果所有媒体和政府都步调一致地行动，那么第一修正案就毫无意义，这一点至关重要。

如果不能进行自由、公开的辩论，那么最重要的那条修正案，也就是当时最迫切需要加入宪法的那条修正案，就会变得毫无意义。所以 Twitter 的确很昂贵，但言论自由是无价的。

太棒了。谢谢。那么，州长，在我们让其他一些发言者进入提问队列的同时，我会问几个问题。我想也许有些人知道这项宣布即将到来，因为过去1周或2周里，媒体上一直不乏攻击你的文章。我想问问你对这些针对你的指控怎么看。

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Yeah, well, let's see. So. Yeah, Governor, there's been a lot of speculation over the last couple of months about your plans. I understand that you may have an announcement to make. We've got I think a record audience assembled here. You know, probably the biggest room that's probably ever been assembled online. What would you like to tell them?

Well, I am running for President of the United States to lead our great American comeback. Look, we know our country's going in the wrong direction. We see it with our eyes and we feel it in our bones. Our southern borders collapse. Drugs are pouring into the country. Our cities are being hollowed out by spiking crime. The federal government's making it harder for the average family to make ends meet and to attain and maintain a middle class lifestyle.

And our president, well, he lacks vigor, flounders in the face of our nation's challenges, and he takes his cues from the woke mob. I don't think it has to be this way. American decline is not inevitable. It is a choice. And we should choose a new direction, a path that will lead to American revitalization. We must restore sanity to our nation. This means embracing fiscal and economic sanity. Stop pricing hard working Americans out of a good standard of living through inflationary borrow print and spending policies.

And please embrace American energy independence. This also means replacing the woke mind virus with reality facts and enduring principles. Merit must trump identity politics. We must return normalcy to our communities. America is a sovereign country. Our borders must be respected. We cannot have foreigners pouring into our country illegally by the millions. We cannot allow drug cartels to poison our population with fentanyl.

Public deserve safe communities. And law and order must be maintained in American cities. We can't have inmates running the asylum. And we must reject attacks on the men and women of law enforcement. We also must reestablish integrity in our institutions. This includes the military. I'm proud to be a Navy veteran, an Iraq veteran, and I revere our services. But when revered institutions like those in our military are more concerned with matters not central to the mission, whether it's global warming or gender, ideology and pronouns, morale declines and recruiting suffers.

And you need to eliminate these distractions. And we need to get focused on the core mission. We also cannot have true constitutional government if the most significant issues are decided by the whims of unelected bureaucrats rather than the people's elected representatives. Reestablishing integrity in our institutions means we must reinvigorate our constitutional system by returning the government to its rightful owners.

We the people, no Social or economic transformation without representation. Truth needs to be our foundation. Common sense can no longer be an uncommon virtue. And in Florida we proved it could be done. We chose facts over fear, education over indoctrination, law and order over rioting and disorder. We held the line when freedom hung in the balance and we're thriving as a result. Florida is the nation's fastest growing state.

We're number one in net in migration, number one in new business formations, recently ranked number one in education. We have a 50 year low crime rate and one of the lowest tax and debt per capita in America. But we also understand governing is not entertainment. It's not about building a brand or virtue signaling. It is about delivering results. And our results in Florida have been second to none. We can and we must deliver big results for America.

I pledge to be an energetic executive that will take on the important issues. Biden's pursuit inflationary policies that are hurting working people. We will reverse those policies and we'll build an economy where working Americans can achieve a good standard of living. Biden's opened the southern border and allowed massive amounts of drugs to pour into the country. We'll shut down the border, construct a border wall and hold the drug cartels accountable.

Biden's embrace medical authoritarianism such as unconstitutional COVID vaccine mandates. We will ensure that those violations of liberty can never happen again. Biden's allowed WOKE ideology to drive his agenda. We will never surrender to the WOKE mob and we will leave WOKE ideology in the dustbin of history. Biden's also politicized the military and caused recruiting to plummet. We will eliminate ideological agendas from our military.

Focus the military on the core mission and we will reverse the poor recruiting trends. Finally, Biden's weaponized the power of the administrative state to advance his left wing agenda. We will reconstitutionalize the executive branch and we'll bring the administrative state to heel. Now, you can't do any of that if you don't win. There is no substitute for victory. We must end the culture of losing that has infected the Republican party in recent years.

The tired dogmas of the past are inadequate for a vibrant future. We must look forward, not backwards. We need the courage to lead and we must have the strength to win. And to voters who are participating in this primary process, my pledge to you is this. If you nominate me, you can set your clock to January 20, 2025 at high noon. Because on the west side of the US Capitol, I will be taking the oath of Office as the 47th President of the United States.

No excuses. I will get the job done now. These past few years have given me a new appreciation for the fragility of our freedoms. I never thought I would see things in America that we saw during the COVID 19 pandemic. But our founding fathers were keenly aware of the fragility of freedom when they framed our Constitution. They came to arm with having studied the history of every republic in the history of mankind. And they noticed that all of those experiments only had one thing in common, and it was this.

Every single one of them had failed. And so they knew it fell to our country, the United States of America, to determine whether people could really govern themselves. Could we have a society based on the idea that our rights are God given, not government granted, and that society functions based on the rule of law, not the rule of individual men? And when Dr. Benjamin Franklin walked out of that convention, he was asked, did you deliver a republic or a monarchy?

He said, a republic, if you can keep it. They knew freedom didn't run on autopilot. They knew each generation would have a responsibility to safeguard freedom. And it's our responsibility to do so at this important juncture in our nation's history. We have a lot of work to do to ensure the country gets back on track. I ask everybody listening to please join me on this mission. Please invest in our campaign by going to rondisantis.com and making a donation.

Thank you. God bless, and I look forward to the discussion.

All right, thank you, Governor. Appreciate that. I guess just as a first follow up here, thank you for putting up with these technical issues. I think we're definitely breaking new ground here. As far as I know, no major presidential candidate has ever announced their, their, their candidacy on social media this way, certainly in a. In a Twitter space. So thank you for doing that. What made you want to kind of take the chance of doing it this way as opposed to just doing it on cable news or the usual way?

Well, when Covid hit, I had to make decisions about do you go with the crowd, or do you look at the data yourself and cut against the grain? And I chose to do the latter. I faced huge blowback for doing that from the bureaucracy, from elites, from the media. But my view was I had to look out for the people I represented, prefer protecting their jobs over trying to safeguard my own political hide. But it was very, very lonely in a lot of those decisions.

And part of the reason it was so lonely is because there was a concerted effort to try to stifle Dissent. There was an official narrative about lockdowns, about closing schools, about forced masking, about all these different things that we had to navigate to during COVID And it was an orthodoxy being enforced by the major tech platforms in conjunction with the federal government. And if we can't have an honest debate in a free country about issues that affect hundreds of millions of people, like lockdowns, then what good is the First Amendment at that point?

Those are precisely the times when we needed to have debate, be robust. You should not be taking down articles that criticize those draconian policies. And yet that's exactly what happened. So it occurred to me that if that had continued, I think free speech in this country was on its way out the door. And so when Elon Musk stepped up to purchase Twitter, he paid a lot of money for it. And I'm sure, because he's a good businessman, Elon, I'm sure you'll end up making money off it, but bottom line is you had to put your money where your mouth is because I think you recognize that you can't have a free society unless we have the freedom to debate the most important issues that are affecting our civilization.

That did not happen during COVID The truth was censored repeatedly. And now that Twitter is in the hands of a free speech advocate, that would not be able to happen again on this Twitter platform. So I think what was done with Twitter and is really significant for the future of our country, we cannot have a society in which government is colluding with major tech platforms to enforce an orthodoxy.

Well, thank you. Yeah, we're absolutely committed to freedom of speech and level playing field and just a vigorous debate. And hopefully this can be a platform that brings people of divergent political views to exchange those views, and perhaps some minds will be changed one way or the other.

But it's just incredibly important as you highlight that the First Amendment is irrelevant if all the media and the government are operating in lockstep.

It makes the most important amendment, the one that was most urgently added to the Constitution, moot if you cannot have free and open debate. So Twitter was indeed expensive, but free speech is priceless.

Awesome. Thank you. So, Governor, I'm going to ask some questions while we get some other kind of speakers in the queue to ask questions. I think maybe some people knew this announcement was coming because there's been no shortage of hip pieces on you in the press over the last week or two. I want to ask you about some of these accusations that are being leveled at you. Last week, the NAACP issued a travel advisory against your state, claiming that Florida is not a safe place for minorities to visit.

What do you say to those who've been advised that somehow they aren't welcome in your state?

Claiming that Florida is unsafe is a total farce. I mean, are you kidding me? You look at cities around this country, they are awash in crime. In Florida, our crime rate is at a 50 year low. If you look at the top 25 cities for crime in America, Florida does not have a single one amongst the top 25. And if you look at cities like Baltimore and Chicago, you got kids more likely to get shot than to receive a first class education.

Yet I don't see the NAACP batting an eye about all the outrage and the carnage that's happening in those areas. So this is a political stunt. These left wing groups have been doing it for many, many years. And at the end of the day, what they're doing is colluding with legacy media to try to manufacture a narrative. Now the good news is fewer and fewer Americans are gullible enough to believe this dribble and platforms like Twitter are there where people can debunk these lies in real time.

And I would just say as an American citizen, if you are uncritically accepting narratives spun by legacy media and left wing groups, you're failing at your job of being a conscientious citizen. And I think people just see right through it. And oh, by the way, have any of these travel advisories because they've been doing this for a while. These left wing groups, have any of them worked? Well, we're the number one state for net in migration and have been every year since I've been governor.

We just capped the highest quarter for tourism in the history of the state of Florida. And our view is we want everybody to succeed regardless of their skin color. We don't divvy up people by race. At the same time, it is worth pointing out that we have in Florida more black owned businesses than any state in the nation. And we've also had more African Americans lead state agencies under my administration than at any time in Florida history.

But with us, you know, they're there because of merit, not because we're trying to play identity politics. And if you want to look at education, the black students in Florida perform much higher than black students in most other states. We rank number three in fourth grade reading and number two in fourth grade math amongst our black student population. And oh, by the way, the head of the NAACP lives in Florida and a lot of their Board members have put out on social media during my governorship Florida vacations, where they seem to be having an awful good time.

That's great. Well, I mean, Florida is a great state, and I think people realize that some of the things that are being said are just truly absurd. I mean, I saw some headline from the Atlantic basically claiming that anyone who listens, listens to this Spaces on Twitter is basically a Nazi.

So, yeah, yeah, that was the Atlantic. And then Vanity Fair said that you were hosting or interviewing because David Duke wasn't available.

Oh, yes.

Although I'm not totally sure who they were saying was David Duke. I don't know if it was you or Governor DeSantis. A little bit unclear, but.

But I think this is a function of these. The legacy media, these corporate journals, they're in their little bubble. And to draw illusions to stuff like that, I mean, how crazy do you have to be? But in their little bubble, it sounds like they're making some type of profound point. And so part of. I think what Twitter is standing for is people should be exposed to different viewpoints. And I think the elites in our society have tried to cluster themselves to where their assumptions are never challenged.

And that's not a good way, I think, to live. It's also not. Not a good way to be a critical thinker, because no one's ever going to question obviously wrong assumptions because everybody around you shares them.

Absolutely.

And I think they become totally hysterical because they don't like the idea that their control over the media is being disormediated. Because now candidates for president can just speak directly to people through platforms like Twitter.

Yeah.

I mean, the amazing thing about Twitter and things like Spaces are that although I happen to be hosting it, I had to switch over to David hosting it because my account was actually.

There's too much interest.

My account was breaking the system. But there's really never been a mechanism before where someone could address the nation or anyone who wanted to listen to them could from anywhere in the world, United States or anywhere. So this is a. I think this is a really profound change. And it's also like the. It's not just whether the media reports something, an article is true or not. Even more powerful is deciding what the narrative is.

And so, you know, just like, if there's only so much you can actually fit in a newspaper or a magazine, and there's only one thing you really put on the COVID of magazines. So whoever's deciding that is deciding to not talk about other things. Whereas with a public digital town square like we have here, it's possible for the public to choose the narrative. It empowers the people instead of a very tiny elite cabal, which I don't recognize the irony of using that phrase, but nonetheless, it's true and judged by the results, that this is a means for the people to decide the narrative and for the people to decide what, you know, which way of debate will go.

Not sort of five editors in chiefs of newspapers, basically.

Yeah. And I think one of the really crazy things that happened during COVID is that social networks really started censoring dissenting viewpoints on Covid, medical viewpoints that ended up being totally correct in lockstep with what the mainstream media was doing. So. So basically, big tech platforms were undermining their main reason for existing, which is giving people a choice. And actually there's somebody who I think knows more about that than any of us, which is Dr.

Jake Bhattacharya, who's a professor of medicine at Stanford. I want to pull him in here. Jake, you go ahead and unmute yourself if you can. It'd be great to hear from you. I know that during COVID you worked with Governor DeSantis. It'd be great just to hear a little bit about your interactions and if you have a question for the governor.

Thank you, David.

Yeah, I mean, it was an absolute honor to work with Governor DeSantis, and I was really impressed by his decision making in the face of an absolute firestorm of criticism.

But he, you know, Governor, you did

the right thing when you opened the schools. And my kids in California for a year and a half didn't see the inside of a classroom, whereas Florida kids were in school. And you can see in the results, and the learning loss numbers are so much better in Florida. I'm really curious, Governor, as you're running for president, what are your thoughts about reforming the public health authority in the United States and the federal government, the cdc, the fda, the nih?

How do you see reforms we need so that the mistakes of the lockdowns that happened during the pandemic don't happen again when there's another pandemic?

Well, first we need an honest reckoning about what happened during COVID And the only honest reckoning is that all of those agencies, all of the elites, the public health establishment, they failed. They instituted bad policies. Obviously, it's a novel virus. But I think what happened was when the data was becoming more and more apparent that the path they were on was wrong, they doubled down and wanted to do it even more.

And I really believe had Florida not just kind of stood in the way, I think this country would have had rolling lockdowns for probably a two year period. And so their impulses were authoritarian, they were not following the data. And I think the US government needs to acknowledge the failures. And I think all of those agencies are need to be cleaned out. What I saw just dealing with them was I saw a interest in the narrative and in politics over evidence based reasoning and evidence based medicine.

And so I don't have confidence that those agencies are up to the task. And I think you need major, major overhaul of the whole enchilada with respect to public health in this country.

Can I follow up with that? I mean, I think the other thing that I saw during the pandemic, Governor, you were subject to it just as much as I was. When we were Talking about COVID YouTube censored a video of us speaking about in a roundtable that you hosted on COVID policy. There's so much of the federal government infrastructure went into suppressing honest scientific discussion during the pandemic. So it's not just public health agencies, but other agencies inside the federal government that worked to suppress the speech of Americans.

And I'd love to hear your question. No question, no question. So I'm actually in Florida. We recognize the danger there. So I'm actually going to be signing a digital bill of rights for Florida pretty soon which will bar all state and local government officials from colluding or working with a technology company for the purpose of censorship of speech. Because you're exactly right, you had people in the White House, you had people in all these other agencies working with these platforms to try to take it down.

And oh, by the way, what did they censor Dr. Bhattacharya for? It was a roundtable discussion that I led and convened. We had Dr. Bhattacharya, MD, PhD from Stanford, we had Martin Kaldorf from Harvard Medical School, and we had Sunetra Gupta from Oxford, who was generally viewed as one of the best epidemiologists across the pond until she became anti lockdown. So, so these are all eminent people. And what are we discussing?

We're discussing whether there's any scientific basis to force a school child to wear a mask for eight hours a day. They all agreed there was no basis to do it and that you should not have school mask mandates. YouTube thought that that was quote, anti science and that that should be taken down. But even at that point, we had already had enough experience in Florida, where you had some schools that had done it before the state banned the mandates.

You had some schools that had done it, some schools didn't, and the results were no different. And yet his video was taken down by Google, YouTube. So it was a huge, huge problem. And, yes, I think the federal government, FBI, dhs, any of the health agencies, it's unconstitutional for them to be delegating speech restriction to a private company. You can't do indirectly what the Constitution would clearly forbid you to do directly.

Let me. Let me pull in. We have Congressman Thomas Massie. If you're there, go ahead and unmute yourself. I mean, what we're talking about here is, I think, really unconstitutional actions by federal agencies. Congressman Massie, I know that you've been involved in this problem of, you know, government agencies being weaponized and used against the American people in an inappropriate way. Do you have a comment on this and do you have a question for Governor DeSantis?

Well, first of all, let me say a big thank you to Elon Musk for buying Twitter and exposing all of this on our weaponization committee. We wouldn't know so much of it if he hadn't done this almost as a public service to the First Amendment. It's a disturbing trend. Government. As the governor said, the government is colluding with big corporations. We found out this week from an FBI whistleblower that bank of America voluntarily gave names of and information on anybody who bought a hot dog in Washington, D.C.

from January 5 to January 7, and then overlaid that with gun purchases that they had on record anywhere in the country for any period of time. And just they say they voluntarily gave

that to the FBI.

So that's disturbing to me. By the way, I've never met Elon Musk, but I'm one of your biggest fans. I'm the first congressman to have a Tesla.

I'm on Starlink, and I would have bought a Powerwall, but I'm off the grid and you wouldn't sell me one, so I had to make one with a wrecked Model S. And it's been running our house for five years. But

just for the record, I was with Thomas our first year year in Congress. He's got the Tesla, but his license plate is Kentucky Coal. So it's. He's probably one of the only people that have that country.

Thanks for outing me, Governor DeSantis, but no. So, Governor DeSantis, my question to you is, you know, you served here in Congress for six years with me, and why is it that Congress is so feckless at reining in these Government agencies. And what do you think we need to do? And if you were president, what, what would you urge Congress or what bills would you like to see and sign to reign in this, you know, sort of overreach of government bureaucracy?

Well, first, I think there's a lot that the executive branch can do. And I all I will say when it comes to these agencies, we'll put, we'll, we'll go into this a little bit more as the campaign goes on, but buckle up when I get in there because the status quo is not acceptable. And we are going to make sure that we reconstitutionalize this government. And these agencies are totally out of control. There's no accountability.

And we are going to bring that in a very big way. Now, part of the reason it's gotten so bad, power's been consolidated in effectively a fourth branch of government because Congress hasn't used its two main powers that it has under the Constitution. First, the power of the purse. If an agency is gauging in conduct that is outside the realm of what is legal or you think it's not good for the public interest, then you can remove the funding for those operations.

There's nothing that they're not entitled to get the same level of funding every year. And yet Congress runs the government on autopilot, either continuing resolutions or massive omnibus spending bills. So these agencies are all bulletproof. They know that they're going to end up getting something similar or more every single year. And it creates an incentive for them to abuse their power. The other thing you can do is actually legislate.

So you're not delegating to the bureaucracy key issues regarding how to enforce federal law. You should define what you want. All they should be doing is implementing. Instead, Congress will basically give an invitation for the bureaucracy to make really important substantive decisions. And so Congress may never vote on something and the bureaucracy will cite a law from 20 years ago and do things that are going to transform our society or our country.

That is not the way the founding fathers drew up the Constitution.

So would you sign the REINS Act? We passed it out.

A judiciary today. Oh yeah, no, of course. Yeah, that's a no brainer. That would, I think, be a great check for that. I also think that we're going to have a good chance to see some of this Chevron deference really curtailed or maybe even eliminated based on the US Supreme Court's upcoming jurisprudence. And I think that's another reason why the bureaucracy has become so powerful, because courts have basically been told they can pretty much do what they want.

And courts are supposed to just defer. I don't think that that's actually correct. I think the courts, they have to make a judgment about what does the law actually say. And you can't just defer to quote, unquote, experts in the bureaucracy.

Thank you.

All right, shifting gears. Governor, I want to ask you another topic that's been in the news a lot is Disney. They blamed you for canceling plans for a billion dollar investment in Florida. Said it would, they were canceling 2,000 jobs. I saw other reports that suggested Disney was going to make the cuts anyway and due to a larger budget cutting initiative. Regardless of why they did it, why do you feel your fight with Disney remains important considering you already beat them on the parental rights bill that they opposed?

And what would you say to some of your opponents in this race who argue that the fight has dragged on too long?

So first of all, Florida stands for the protection of children. We believe jamming gender ideology in elementary school is wrong. Disney obviously supported injecting gender ideology in elementary school. They did oppose our parents rights legislation. And the fact is, when they opposed it, that was a big deal because for 50 years, anytime Disney wanted something in Florida politics, they pretty much got it. But not this time.

I signed the bill. We did, as you say, went on the issue. But what happened was Disney's posturing, some of the other statements that their executives were making. Kind of the corporate culture had really been outed as trying to inject matters of sex into the programming for the youth. And I think a lot of parents, including me, look at that and say that's not appropriate. I mean, we want our kids to be able to, to just be kids.

And that's kind of our mantra. So you had this setup that Disney engineered many decades ago where they actually had their own government that they controlled with no accountability. They were exempt from the laws that all their competitors had to follow. Massive tax breaks, and they even racked up municipal debt. And Florida basically put them on a pedestal many decades ago and joined the state with this one company at the hip.

We just didn't feel that, that we were comfortable maintaining that relationship. And so we ended their self governing status. So Disney has to live under the same laws as everybody. They got to pay the same taxes as everybody. And obviously they'll be responsible for those debts. So the reason why there's a, quote, fight is just because they filed a lawsuit against the state of Florida trying to get their special privileges reinstituted.

But I don't think that that's good policy. And I think some of these Republicans that are taking Disney side they're basically showing themselves to be corporatists because these are all corporate goodies. This is not the way you would run a competitive economy. And the arrangement had really outlived its usefulness but it persisted because Disney was so politically powerful. I think the company's ethos have changed in a way that's alienated a lot of people in our legislature and in Florida.

And so there was really no justification to keep it. But make no mistake, they're suing to try to get special privileges. People are making money in Florida hand over fist because we have a great business climate. That's not good enough for them. They want to be treated differently than Universal SeaWorld and we don't know that that's appropriate. So you know I think that they should withdraw the lawsuit. We're going to defend our act.

I don't see the NW batting an eye about all.

It's funny the the media used to

criticize the public being in the pocket of operations and now they're left wing groups have been doing it for well not only is it at the end of the day what they're doing is looting to try to manufacture Disney and they would, they would point out fewer and fewer Americans.

And when platforms like when the state control board took over debunk these district the firefighters came to the board and they said hey we weren't getting survivor benefit for some of these widows narratives. The state control court actually paid out some of the benefits that they were getting. There were a lot of people in central Florida who were really thankful and I think there was some accountability being brought to bear because you know it's human nature.

If there's no accountability over any individual have any of them worse they're going to behave differently than if you have normal accountability was always very just but just because I have to be involved in the hip bringing it back to reality cities like Baltimore, Chicago laws you got then all running first class education. I don't see the NAACP batting an eye many years ago. They've all done anything for it but that is actually happening in those areas.

So this is a political part of Orlando. These left none of it for many many years.

Now. Best for their shareholders project is lucid if they would have gone forward with it but I think clearly they've had some problems price and a lot of other issues and I'd also I would just say as an American citizen if you are nobody critically has Made Disney more married than me because they were open during COVID They were failing. That went on many, many months, literally. I think people just see right through it.

And oh, by the way, opened in 20. People are going to doing for a while, these numbering groups. And the parks were closed. I think they were closed for over a year, every year. We were, I think, a much better place to be doing business, certainly since I've been Welcome in the Hi25. Great.

Let me shift gears here to the topic of education. I want to pull Chris Rufo into conversation. I hope to work with you on some initiatives. I think, you know, one other thing that the mainstream media, as I think bashful, is they've kind of started promoting this narrative that you want to ban books from school libraries. You refuse to teach kids about slavery or other unpleasant realities of American history or pretend that gay people don't exist.

Many people. I think in this room, we're now up to, wow, over 271,000 people. So this is, I think, totally unprecedented in terms of the numbers of people we have participating. By the way, I think Twitter is working much better now. I think it crashed because when you multiply a half million people in a room by an account with over 100 million followers, which is Elon's account, I think that creates just a scalability level that was unprecedented.

But with my meager followership, it seems to be working much better.

Yeah, no, it's. We have some scaling issues specifically related to my account. At one point in January, if I tweeted above a certain size, it would crash the servers.

Yeah.

And then anyone else who was tweeting at the same time would lose their tweet as well.

So in any event. Yeah, well, we're breaking new ground here.

Yes. You know, you're breaking new ground when there are bugs and scaling issues. But any event, back to the question I was asking you, Governor DeSantis, about education. The media has been, you know, saying you're trying to ban books. You're freeze to teach kids about slavery. You want to say that gay people don't exist. What. What is the truth of the matter for people who maybe have never heard from you before? And then I want to pull Chris Rufo in on this as well.

Yeah. So the whole book ban thing is a hoax. There's not been a single book banned in the state of Florida. You can go buy or use whatever book you want. What we have done is empowered parents with the ability to review the curriculum, to know what books are being used in school, and Then to ensure that those books match state standards and are age and developmentally appropriate. So, for example, parents have flagged books in schools that, for example, teach middle school kids how to use sex apps that provide graphic depictions of sex acts and sex toys for people as young as fifth grade.

And so clearly that is not appropriate to be in a middle school classroom. And so parents object and the schools take them out. I did a press conference that we called exposing the book ban hoax. And before I had the parents come up, before I spoke, I just played the video that had the images of the books that the parents had objected being in their kid's classroom. And the local news had to cut the feed because they said it was too graphic.

Well, if it's too graphic for the 6 o' clock news, how is it okay for a sixth grader or a fifth grader? And so nothing's being banned. They're basically ensuring that we make curation choices that are consistent with state standards. And on the racial history, we eliminated critical race theory from our K through 12 schools. That was the right thing to do. In other words, we're not going to take a kid who comes in at six years old and say they're an oppressor or oppressed based on what their race is.

That's divisive. That's wrong. We're also not going to be teaching people to hate their country. But what we are going to do is teach the accurate history. So in the same bill that banned critical race theory, we required teaching thoroughly about racial discrimination that occurred in American history. And Florida's history standards require all of those subjects from slavery, reconstruction, segregation, all of that to be taught, and we'll continue to do that.

So I think what you see is the left and the media colluding on this. They don't want to actually defend what it is that we are actually legislating or regulating. So they create these hoaxes that somehow you don't want kids to learn that slavery existed in America, which is preposterous. No one actually defends the offending material. And the question is, is why are there people intent on trying to get this stuff into the classroom?

And I think it's part of a political agenda. So our mantra in Florida is this purpose of the schools is education, not indoctrination. Yes, I think it's very inappropriate to have sexually explicit material in a fifth grade library, 100%. But it's also the case that if you're focusing on that type of instruction, there's an opportunity cost involved. Why Won't we. Why shouldn't we be doing more on science or reading or math?

And so I think we're getting it right. And I think almost invariably and Chris Rufos had to deal with this too. When they're trying to craft these narratives, you just peel back the onion. You realize that this is something they're manufacturing.

That makes a lot of sense. I mean, I was actually under the impression that there were some books banned. So this is news to me.

And they actually, there was. The one this week was that Miami Dade county took a book that was about, like, poems from, I think, like Biden's inauguration, and they moved it from elementary school library to middle school library. The media tried to act like somehow this is being banned. And you actually had Miami Dade County Public Schools spokesperson have to come out and say, there's nothing that's been banned or removed.

It was basically just determined that this particular book was better suited for middle school. And so they put it in the middle school media center. And the media tries to act like somehow that is offending something with a book ban. So. But I think part of the reason that they're doing that is because, you know, there is actually a movement to ban books from like Amazon and some of these others. California, some municipalities have banned things like To Kill a Mockingbird.

What they're trying to do is see if some of these books pass a WOKE test, and if they don't, they are going against some of those books. Whereas in Florida, you can buy whatever book you want. But that's a different question than what would be appropriate for a third grader or what would be appropriate for a sixth grader. Government, by definition, has to make those choices about what type of curriculum we want to put in front of our students.

And the parents obviously have an important voice in that.

Absolutely. Well, in fact, a friend of mine, Tim Urban, who has a blog called Wait, Wait, but why? And is really one of the most reasonable people on earth and one of the most recent people I've ever met, had a lot of trouble actually publishing his book simply because it debated sort of sacred cows of WOKE ideology, but probably reasonable book. So that is the kind of de facto book banning and de facto book suppression that I see quite a lot of is that publishers are unwilling to take risks.

Let me shift gears here for a second because I know we're running out of time. We're supposed to end, I think around four, but for Pacific. But thank you for giving us a little bit extra time here, Governor. Shifting gears to a Major federal issue, immigration. We see kind of, I've seen these videos on social media and on TV of what looks like just insanity at the border. What is your take on what's going on there and how would you address that as president?

I'd reverse what Biden's doing. You need to shut the border down. You should not be entertaining these asylum claims for people crossing illegally. Now, asylum is a legitimate thing, but these are people that when they come, I mean, they're being persecuted. These people come in overwhelmingly are economic migrants that are coming across many other different countries. They should be applying for asylum there if they were truly qualifying for that, but they're not.

They know that if they just show up at the southern border and these are people all over the world that are coming illegally, they know that they will get a sheet of paper saying, okay, come back for a court date in three years and they get released to the interior of our country. It's an absolutely insane system. So we'll stop that. We will move on day one by declaring a national emergency. We will construct a border wall.

We will make sure we have remain in Mexico and that we're not entertaining those claims in that way. And we really need to hold the Mexican drug cartels accountable because they're facilitating a lot of this migration. They obviously make money off of it. They treat a lot of these people very horribly as they're trafficking them through Mexico and into the United States. And of course the cartels have been responsible for moving massive amounts of fentanyl into this country and that's killing tens of thousands of Americans every year now.

And what they're doing is they laced the other types of drugs with the fentanyl. So you may have like a teenage kid doing something they probably shouldn't do, but in prior generations would not have been fatal. And now if it's laced with fentanyl, you know, these kids can overdose and die. And so mothers are losing kids as a result of this fentanyl epidemic. And I just don't think you could allow these criminal organizations to continue poisoning our population.

So it'll be a day one issue. We will bring overwhelming amount of resources to deal with it and we are going to stop this insanity once and for all.

There's I think follow up question on immigration from Steve Dase, who is a national radio personality and I think important commentator in the great state of Iowa. Steve, do you have a, do you have a comment or question? I think you just need to unmute.

If Steve can unmute, then we'll go ahead and ask him for a question. If not, we'll. We'll keep rolling here.

All right, three. Going, going.

I'm there, guys. Oh, there you go.

All right, my bad.

First of all, I want to echo what Congressman Massie said to Elon. Elon, if I put down money on January 1, 2022, that Twitter was going to be the last bastion of free speech on Earth, brother, I'd be about as rich as you are on that bet right now. I mean, it's incredible what you have done here and the restoration of a lot of accounts of people that were truth tellers and were ran from here for telling the truth. I saw a meme the other day that said, of course, you have scientific consensus when you censor all the scientists who disagree.

So I wanted to just say, first and foremost, on behalf of a lot of grateful people around the country and the world, really, thank you very much for that and the investment you made in that cause. Thank you. A question as a follow up to you, Governor, on this very issue with immigration, we have heard a lot over the years, lock her up, drain the swamp. Going to build a beautiful wall. Mexico is going to pay for it. And crowds cheered and everybody loved it.

And brands got built and nothing got done. What is the bottom line assurance that you can make to the people that are listening right now all over the world and all over the country that you can actually do the agenda that you just articulated when others tweeted about it and talked about it, but then couldn't actually follow through?

It's a great question because I shared that frustration. I think even my worst critics in Florida will acknowledge when I tell people I'm going to do something, I don't make promises or say I'm going to do something lightly. I thought it through, and I know that I am going to follow through on what I tell people I'm going to do. So this is one, there will be follow through. Number two, I understand the different leverage points that you would have under Article 2 of the Constitution.

I study that a lot, becoming governor about Florida's constitution, doing the same thing for the federal constitution. And you've got to know how to use your leverage to advance what you're trying to accomplish. So, for example, you know, there's leverage that we can use vis a vis Mexico that I think presidents have not been. Not been willing to do. I think sometimes for political purposes. But I'll look at, okay, what are all the variety of options we can do?

Which buttons can I push? And I will do that to be able to bring this issue to a conclusion once and for all. We had Hurricane Ian come through southwest Florida, category four plus storm, September of 2022, and it did a lot of damage. But one of the things it did, it knocked out a bridge going from the mainland to Pine island and it severed the Sanibel Causeway and three, three different locations. And the locals were being told it's going to take six months to get that stuff repaired.

And so they came to me, even though these were not state owned bridges, and they said, can you help us? And I said, okay, I'll do it. So I got my guys together, I said, listen, no bureaucracy, no red tape and no excuses. Get it done. We need to open these bridges back. Pine Island Bridge reopened three days later. Sanibel Causeway opened two weeks after that, way, way ahead of schedule because we wouldn't take no for an answer.

And we wanted to make sure we got it done. So for me, it is not a campaign slogan that you get in and then forget about it. As an American citizen, if I wasn't running, this would be an issue that bothers me. I've put a lot of my capital as Florida governor involved in combating illegal immigration. We banned sanctuary cities my first year. We just did a strong anti illegal immigration bill in Florida. That's one working.

I've put marine assets in the Florida Keys to help the Coast Guard repel boats from places like Haiti. I had people at the southern border right now helping Texas and we've even been able to relocate illegal aliens to places like Martha's Vineyard. So I don't think any governor has probably gone out of his way to do more to try to make an impact on this issue. And I'm not going to take no for an answer. And I think our voters are sick the empty promises.

They want to see action.

Thank you, governor.

Well, Governor, I saw, yeah, I saw cover of Time magazine this week and I think they were trying to do a negative story because they had. You were sort of scowling in this portrait they made of you. And in the article they call you, they compared you to the Terminator and I think they meant insult. But I thought it was kind of cool. I thought it was a good thing because I think we need a cool headed, ruthless assassin to go in and they take on the woke mob, take on our out of control government and take on problems like the ones at the border.

So again, I thought it made you sound great, even though that may not have been their intention.

Well, look at the End of the day, this whole business that we're in is about producing results. I don't care about fanfare. You know, I'm the governor, like that is I'm known, right? And I go around the state and everything and people are very nice. And so, I mean, I appreciate the well wishes, but. But I don't need any of the fanfare. I don't need any adulation. I just know I'm in a position where I have a chance to make a difference and I'm either doing it or I'm not.

And I remember sitting at the desk in the state capitol my first day as governor four and a half years ago. I looked around the room and I thought to myself, I don't know what SOB is going to succeed me in this chair. I But they are not going to have anything to do because I'm getting all the meat off the bone. I am going to make sure that I'm leaning into issues and making an impact. And we have done that in the state of Florida.

And I bring that exact attitude up to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Governor, I'd love to jump in and

follow up on that.

This is Chris Ruffo and I've had the honor of working with you in the past few years on critical race theory, gender ideology and the DEI bureaucracy. And what I've seen up close and personal is that while many conservative politicians going back decades have made headlines and got on television playing culture war, they never actually get anything done.

And what you've done over the last

few years is really astonishing. You've eliminated CRT from all Florida's public institutions. You've stopped gender ideology dead in its tracks in K through 12. And just last week you eliminated the DEI bureaucracy in all of Florida's public universities. They'll be shut down completely. And I think what you've done is established a blueprint for fighting back against the left's long march of the institutions and making sure that those institutions reflect the value of Florida voters, not left wing activists and the partisan press.

So my question for you is, you know, DC is another animal. It's quite different the scale of the federal government and how are you going to deliver results and what is your cultural culture war strategy facing down the swamp in dc?

Well, some of it is similar in this respect. When we're taking on things like dei, you get blowback from legacy media and the far left. But that's an example of an issue where they are out of step with the vast majority of Americans. It's not just Republicans, it's independents and a lot of Democrats. Because you think about if you're a, if you're a parent and you've got kids, you want to know when they apply to college, they're going to be judged based on their merit and they're not going to be roadkill in some type of woke Olympics where they didn't fit some category.

And so they're denied opportunity. They want to make sure that achievement matters. And so we get a lot of quiet support for a lot of those things. And so I think what I do just because, look, I'm a blue collar kid, I grew up in the Tampa Bay area working minimum wage to get through school. My grandfather worked in the steel mill in western Pennsylvania. I just know instinctively kind of what like normal people think about all this stuff.

And I have a good sense of when the legacy media and the left are outside of where the average American is because people want you to be using common sense and things like dei. I mean, when I was growing up, I think things were better because people were actually told you should try to get along. Now they're told you need to segregate. And it's just crazy that they're trying to do all this stuff. So by eliminating that, there's a lot of people that were really happy about that, including people that certainly are not traditional Republicans.

And I think there's similar issues when you do in the federal level. It's also the case that there are some tools at the federal level that we don't necessarily have at the state level. For example, some of the problems with the university and the ideological capture that didn't happen by accident can trace back all the way to the accreditation cartels. Well, guess what? To become an accreditor, how do you do that? You've got to get approved by the U.S.

department of Education. So we're going to be doing alternative accreditation regimes where instead of saying you will only get accredited if you do dei, you'll have an accreditor that will say, we will not accredit you if you do dei. We want a colorblind merit based accreditation scheme. And so as president, president controlling that agency, you can then approve other types of accreditation. So I think part of it is just knowing where are all the pressure points?

How does it get to the point that we then see and that somebody like you will run a report on? Like when you see some of the outrageous stuff that's generated in some sociology department at a university that didn't just happen out of thin air, there's a reason why we got to that point. And I think that there are some tools with the federal government where you can push back and try to get these institutions moored in a more foundational direction about, hey, we're pursuing truth here and we're not here to try to impose one niche ideology on the entire student body.

Great.

Shifting gears.

Dana Lash, you have a, a question or comment for the governor?

I do. And thank you both so much for your time for joining us in a very new way. I really appreciate that. I think it's really cool. And for your support of free speech too. And Elon, I have to say thank you for taking the arrows and for unthrottling the accounts of all of us who got in trouble for sharing a New York Post story about a laptop. And Governor, I wanted to thank, I wanted to thank you for your leadership and your unwavering support of second Amendment rights.

And you're on my program tomorrow and I just got to say you got my vote in the primary, so I appreciate it very much. I. You were talking about DEI just a minute ago and I want to ask you both about this growing threat against natural rights and free enterprise. It's this threat of debanking. Now I know that you know, Elon, I've read so much about you and what you've gone through. You've called ESG criteria evil incarnate.

Governor DeSantis Florida saw financially weaponized wokery earlier this year when Wells Fargo bank dumped both the business and business and personal accounts of a very prominent and well respected gun dealer in Florida. They've been together for 25 years working with Wells Fargo and they cited new ESG guidelines now similar to the DOJ's previous operation choke Point. All these activists for various causes are using this regulatory guidance to debank what they consider to be politically incorrect businesses for the sake of risk management.

Now we say that our rights should not be infringed upon by the government. But what can and should be done about activist guided financial institutions and these payment processors who are essentially cutting off law abiding citizens and businesses?

Well, I think it's just, it's a fundamental issue that I think not enough to conservatives have been wise to. I think more and more are. But at the end of the day we have certain fundamental rights. And so maybe you're somebody that is, you know, really excited about your second Amendment rights and obviously if the government comes in and infringes that, we know you blow the whistle on that, that's a problem. But what if Wall street banks are colluding so that somebody can't function in that space, whether it's running a store or anything involving that your rights are still being infringed upon in that situation?

And so I think this whole ESG movement is really trying to do through the financial sector what they could never achieve through the ballot box. And so they're trying to do an end run around the constitutional system and they're really trying to change policy, they're trying to change society, and they're trying to change the scope of people's rights. And so in Florida, I just signed anti ESG legislation which said things like no ESG criteria in our pension fund.

We got $180 billion state pension fund, no social credit scores for consumers when they're going to bank. In other words, if you apply for a loan, that loan should be judged based on your creditworthiness, not whether you're genuflecting to the appropriate left wing causes. But one thing we did do is we did provide protection against this debanking with the woke banking. No discrimination based on your religion and other things, which we are, we know is happening.

So I think it's a, it's a, it's a fundamental question, but we will not be a free society if major financial institutions can do through the economy what people could not achieve through the ballot box. Our rights will be restricted, will be the end result. And that's not healthy for a free country.

You know, as a follow up to that, Governor Dana mentioned Operation Choke Point. And that is a term that's very familiar to crypto companies in Silicon Valley and fintech companies. Basically it refers to an effort by the federal government, including the sec, to basically regulate blockchain and crypto companies out of existence. Existence. They really feel like they're being driven out of the country. And I'm not talking about scammy ones or the totally fake ones like ftx, but really high quality good companies, including companies that are public like Coinbase.

And these guys are basically begging the government for just a framework. They're just like, tell us how to operate legally and we'll do it. You know, I guess, where, where do you come down on this? What is your view? View, I guess broadly of Bitcoin and people's right to hold Bitcoin and to

transact Bitcoin and those coins. You have every right to do bitcoin. The only reason these people in Washington don't like it is because they don't control it and they're central Planners, and they want to have control over society. And so bitcoin represents a threat to them. And so, as you're saying, they're trying to regulate it out of existence. Look, could Congress enact a statute to ban things like bitcoin under the Constitution?

They may be able to do. I would oppose that. I think people should be able to do bitcoin, but Congress has never addressed this in this fashion. And for the bureaucracy to just do it on their own and make it so people can operate in that space, that's what we mean when we say we've got to return the government to the people's elected representatives who are our voice to be able to make these decisions. And so as president, we'll protect the ability to do things like.

Like bitcoin. I think these are people that are. That are sophisticated. They can make decisions. There's risks involved with it. But. But let them do that. I just do not have an itch to have to control everything that people may be doing in this space. And I think that the current regime, clearly, they have it out for bitcoin, and if it continues for another four years, they'll probably end up killing it.

Yeah, I think you're right. And I think that is the strong feeling of people in Silicon Valley who are in this space. And I think will be heartened to hear your answer on that. I mean, the weird thing is that. And there is a huge constituency of crypto Twitter. So for people who are maybe part of political Twitter, who are wondering why we're talking about this, it really has a big audience for this topic.

Dogecoin, too. That's what I've said.

Yeah, Bitcoin and dogecoin.

So shout out to all the Doge fans out there. But the weird thing is that this administration, they seem to want to ban bitcoin, but they want to create a cbdc, which stands for a central bank digital currency.

What's your take on that?

So we were the first state. Just last month, we actually got the Florida legislature to pass a law that says Florida does not recognize central bank digital currency, because some states were actually adding that to their Uniform Commercial Code. You know, the federal government studying this. We did the opposite and say we did. Now, the reason why we did that is because what the Federal Reserve has said is, well, you know, we're going to consult with Congress, we'll consult with the executive branch.

We don't have a CBDC right now.

And.

And ideally we would get authorization for Congress. Well, wait a minute. It's not Ideally, you must get authorization from Congress. I don't think Congress would authorize it. So they unilaterally try to do this. We're trying to provide protection for people here in Florida. I know Biden did the executive order. They're studying it. I can tell you if I'm president, we are not doing a central bank digital currency. I think that that would be a huge, huge imposition on people's financial freedoms and financial privacy.

And, oh, by the way, what would the logical result of this be? If the central authority has oversight over this, of course they're going to start imposing ESG criteria. Oh, wait a minute. You filled up your gas tank three times this week. You can't do any more. The sky of how they would be able to manipulate this. So I see it as a massive transfer of power from individual consumers to a central authority, and I don't think that that's good for a free society.

So I'm a no on central bank digital currency.

Sounds good.

Yeah.

Great.

Well, Governor, I want to thank you for the time. We could go for hours here, but I know you only had an hour and we've gone over that. So I want to be respectful of your time. I know there's so many people want to ask questions and we should do it again.

I mean, I think it was. And I think this is great, and we'll make sure that we come back and do it again. This is a. This is a great platform. I would like to see other platforms going in the same direction, but, you know, a healthy democratic society needs the robust debate. So I just want to thank everybody for listening in and I'll just make that pitch again. You know, we want you on the team. We'd love for you to go to Ron DeSantis.com and make a donation so that we can get this done on this nomination and win the election in November of 2024.

God bless everybody and thank you.

Thank you, Governor. And, yeah, we have over 300,000 people in the room. It's really been pretty incredible. And, you know, we started with some technical issues because of the sheer scale and unprecedented nature of what we were doing. But it's not how you start, it's how you finish. And I think this finished really strong.

So, yeah, I think it's just. It's just really great for the people to hear directly from presidential candidates and to have. Have it in a conversational tone which obviously results in, you know, it's going to be imperfect because it's not scripted, so. But it's genuine. And I think that that really gives the people an opportunity to understand who might be their president in a way that's real. So thank you very much for coming on and doing this.

And the invitation's open to any other candidates who might want to do this.

Absolutely. It is important for people to hear directly from candidates. So thank you for working with us on this historic event and looking forward to future conversations and just having a great national dialogue.

Alrighty, everybody. Thank you for just.

Bye.

Bye.

Bye.

All right.

I think we're broadcasting, man. I think we melted the Internet there.

Yeah, that was insane. Sorry. We actually doing this from David Sachs Twitter account, because it looks like doing it from mine basically broke the Twitter system. Anyway, thanks, everyone, for joining. We're incredibly excited to announce the. What you had to have Governor DeSantis on with us with this historic announcement and then look forward to live Q A from the audience. So, yeah, with that.

Yeah. I mean, so Governor Santos, can. Are you there? Can you hear us? I think you broke.

I'm here.

I know. I think. I think you broke the Internet there. We had over half a million people in one Twitter space and it was growing by like 50,000aminute. So congrats on breaking the Internet there.

Well, yeah, yeah.

I mean, try some new things.

You're going to.

It's adventurous. So, yes, I think the value here is actually really high for people to hear directly from presidential candidates and to answer Q and A live. And you can get a sense for how a candidate really is, you know, and where it's not just canned speeches and teleprompters. It's, in fact, you can tell by the, you know, some of the mistakes that. That it's real.

Yeah.

So anyway, with that, I guess I should turn it over to.

Yeah. Well, let's see. So, yeah. Governor, there's been a lot of speculation over the last couple of months about your plans. I understand that you may have an announcement to make. We've got, I think, a record audience assembled here. You know, probably the biggest room that's probably ever been assembled online. What would you like to tell them?

Well, I am running for President of the United States to lead our great American comeback. Look, we know our country's going in the wrong direction. We see it with our eyes and we feel it in our bones. Our southern borders collapse. Drugs are pouring into the country. Our cities are being hollowed out by spiking crime. The federal government's making it harder for the average family to make ends meet and to attain and maintain a Middle class lifestyle.

And our president, well, he lacks vigor, flounders in the face of our nation's challenges, and he takes his cues from the woke mob. I don't think it has to be this way. American decline is not inevitable. It is a choice. And we should choose a new direction, a path that will lead to American revitalization. We must restore sanity to our nation. This means embracing fiscal and economic sanity. Stop pricing hardworking Americans out of a good standard of living through inflationary borrow print and spending policies.

And please embrace American energy independence. This also means replacing the woke mind virus with reality, facts and enduring principles. Merit must trump identity politics. We must return normalcy to our communities. America is a sovereign country. Our borders must be respected. We cannot have foreigners pouring into our country illegally by the millions. We cannot allow drug cartels to poison our population with fentanyl.

Public deserve safe communities. And law and order must be maintained in American cities. We can't have inmates running the asylum. And we must reject attacks on the men and women of law enforcement. We also must reestablish integrity in our institutions. This includes the military. I'm proud to be a Navy veteran and Iraq veteran, and I revere our services. But when revered institutions like those in our military are more concerned with matters not central to the mission, whether it's global warming or gender, ideology and pronouns, morale declines and recruiting suffers.

And you need to eliminate these distractions. And we need to get focused on the core mission. We also cannot have true constitutional government if the most significant issues are decided by the whims of unelected bureaucrats rather than the people's elected representatives. Reestablishing integrity in our institutions means we must reinvigorate our constitutional system by returning the government to its rightful owners.

We the people. No social or economic transformation without representation. Truth needs to be our foundation. Common sense can no longer be an uncommon virtue. And in Florida, we proved it could be done. We chose facts over fear, education over indoctrination, law and order over rioting and disorder. We held the line when freedom hung in the balance. And we're thriving as a result. Florida is the nation's fastest growing state.

We're number one in net in migration, number one in new business formations, recently ranked number one in education. We have a 50 year low crime rate and one of the lowest tax and debt per capita in America. But we also understand governing is not entertainment. It's not about building a brand or virtue signaling. It is about delivering results. And our results in Florida have been second to none. We can and we must deliver big results for America.

I pledge to be an energetic executive that will take on the important issues. Biden's pursuit inflationary policies that are hurting working people. We will reverse those policies and we'll build an economy where working Americans can achieve a good standard of living. Biden's opened the southern border and allowed massive amounts of drugs to pour into the country. We'll shut down the border, construct the border wall and hold the drug cartels accountable.

Biden's embrace medical authoritarianism such as unconstitutional COVID vaccine mandates. We will ensure that those violations of liberty can never happen again. Biden's allowed WOKE ideology to drive his agenda. We will never surrender to the WOKE mob and we will leave WOKE ideology in the dustbin of history. Biden's also politicized the military and caused recruiting to plummet. We will eliminate ideological agendas from our military.

Focus the military on the core mission and we will reverse the poor recruiting trends. Finally, Biden's weaponized the power of the administrative state to advance his left wing agenda. We will reconstitutionalize the executive branch and we'll bring the administrative state to heel. Now you can't do any of that.

We.

If you don't win, there is no substitute for victory. We must end the culture of losing that has infected the Republican Party in recent years. The tired dogmas of the past are inadequate for a vibrant future. We must look forward, not backwards. We need to.

To live Q and A from the Orients. So yeah, with that.

Yeah, I mean, so. Governor Santos, are you there? Can you hear us? I think you broke.

I'm here.

I know. I think, I think you broke the Internet there. We had over half a million people in one Twitter space and it was growing by like 50,000aminute.

So.

25. And if you look at cities like Baltimore and Chicago, you got kids more likely to get shot than to receive a first first class education. Yet I don't see the NAACP batting an eye about all the outrage and the carnage that's happening in those.

Sam.

Sa.

All right, here we go.

All right.

I think we're broadcasting, man. I think we melted the Internet there.

Yeah, that was insane. Sorry.

We.

I'm actually doing this from David Sachs Twitter account because it looks like doing it from mine basically broke the Twitter system. Anyway, thanks everyone for joining. We're incredibly excited to announce to have Governor DeSantis on with us with this historic announcement and I look forward to live Q and A from the Orients. So, yeah, with that.

Yeah, I mean, so Governor Santos, are you there? Can you hear us? I think you. I'm here. I know. I think. I think you broke the Internet there. We had over half a million people in one Twitter space and it was growing by like 50,000aminute. So congrats on breaking the Internet there.

Well, yeah, yeah.

I mean, try some, you know, new things.

You're going to.

It's adventurous. So. Yes, but I think the. The value here is actually really high for people to hear directly from presidential candidates and to answer a Q and A live and you can get a sense for how a candidate really is, you know, and where it's not just cans, features and teleprompters. It's, in fact, you can tell by the, you know, some of the mistakes that. That it's real.

Yeah.

So anyway, with that, I guess I should turn it over to.

Yeah, well, let's see. So, yeah. Governor, there's been a lot of speculation over the last couple of months about your plans. I understand that you may have an announcement to make. We've got, I think, a record audience assembled here. You know, probably the biggest room that's probably ever been assembled online. What would you like to tell them?

Well, I am running for President of the United States to lead our great American comeback. Look, we know our country's going in the wrong direction. We see it with our eyes and we feel it in our bones. Our southern borders collapse. Drugs are pouring into the country. Our cities are being hollowed out by spiking crime. The federal government's making it harder for the average family to make ends meet and to attain and maintain a middle class lifestyle.

And our president, well, he lacks vigor, flounders in the face of our nation's challenges. And he takes his cues from the woke mob. I don't think it has to be this way. American decline is not inevitable. It is a choice. And we should choose a new direction, a path that will lead to American revitalization. We must restore sanity to our nation. This means embracing fiscal and economic sanity. Stop pricing hardworking Americans out of a good standard of living through inflationary borrow print and spending policies.

And please embrace American energy independence. This also means replacing the woke mind virus with reality, facts and enduring principles. Merit must trump identity politics. We must return normalcy to our communities. America is a sovereign country. Our borders must be respected. We cannot have foreigners pouring into our country illegally by the millions. And we cannot allow drug cartels to poison our population with fentanyl.

Public deserve safe communities. And law and order must be maintained in American cities. We can't have inmates running the asylum. And we must reject attacks on the men and women of law enforcement. We also must reestablish integrity in our institutions. This includes the military. I'm proud to be a Navy veteran, an Iraq veteran, and I revere our services. But when revered institutions like those in our military are more concerned with matters not central to the mission, whether it's global warming or gender, ideology and pronouns, morale declines and recruiting suffers.

And you need to eliminate these distractions. And we need to get focused on the core mission. We also cannot have true constitutional government if the most significant issues are decided by the whims of unelected bureaucrats rather than the people's elected representatives. Reestablishing integrity in our institutions means we must reinvigorate our constitutional system by returning the government to its rightful owners.

We the people. No social or economic transformation without representation. Truth needs to be our foundation. Common sense can no longer be an uncommon virtue. And in Florida we proved it could be done. We chose facts over fear, education over indoctrination, Law and order over rioting and disorder. We held the line when freedom hung in the balance. And we're thriving as a result. Florida is the nation's fastest growing state.

We're number one in net in migration, number one in new business formations, recently ranked number one in education. We have a 50 year low crime rate and one of the lowest tax and debt per capita America. But we also understand governing is not entertainment. It's not about building a brand or virtue signaling. It is about delivering results. And our results in Florida have been second to none. We can and we must deliver big results for America.

I pledge to be an energetic executive that will take on the important issues. Biden's pursuit inflationary policies that are hurting working people. We will reverse those policies and we'll build an economy where working Americans can achieve a good standard of living. Biden's opened the southern border and allowed massive amounts of drugs to pour into the country. We'll shut down the border, construct a border wall and hold the drug cartels accountable.

Biden's embrace medical authoritarianism such as unconstitutional COVID vaccine mandates. We will ensure that those violations of liberty can never happen again. Biden's allowed WOKE ideology to drive his agenda. We will never surrender to the WOKE mob and we will leave WOKE ideology in the dustbin of history. Biden's also politicized the military and caused recruiting to plummet. We will eliminate ideological agendas from our military.

Focus the military on the core mission and we will reverse the poor recruiting trends. Finally, Biden's weaponized the power of the administrative state to advance his left wing agenda. We will reconstitutionalize the executive branch and we'll bring the administrative state to heel. Now, you can't do any of that if you don't win. There is no substitute for victory. We must end the culture of losing that has infected the Republican Party in recent years.

The tired dogmas of the past are inadequate for a vibrant future. We must look forward, not backwards. We need the courage to lead and we must have the strength to win. And to voters who are participating in this primary process, my pledge to you is this. If you nominate me, you can set your clock to January 20, 2025 at high noon. Because on the west side of the US Capitol, I will be taking the oath of Office as the 47th President of the United States.

No excuses. I will get the job done. Now. These past few years have given me a new appreciation for the fragility of our freedoms. I never thought I would see things in America that we saw during the COVID 19 pandemic. But our founding fathers were keenly aware of the fragility of freedom when they framed our Constitution. They came to arm with having studied the history of every republic in the history of mankind. And they noticed that all of those experiments only had one thing in common.

And it was this. Every single one of them had failed. And so they knew it fell to our country, the United States of America, to determine whether people could really govern themselves. Could we have a society based on the idea that our rights are God given, not government granted, and that society functions based on the rule of law, not the rule of individual men? And when Dr. Benjamin Franklin walked out of that convention, he was asked, did you deliver a republic or a monarchy?

He said, a republic if you can keep it. They knew freedom didn't run on autopilot. They knew each generation would have a responsibility to safeguard freedom. And it's our responsibility to do so at this important juncture in our nation's history. We have a lot of work to do to ensure the country gets back on track. I ask everybody listening to please join me on this mission. Please invest in our campaign by going to rondisantis.com and making a donation.

Thank you. God bless, and I look forward to the discussion.

All right, thank you, Governor. Appreciate that. I guess just as a first follow up here, thank you for putting up with these technical issues. I think we're definitely breaking new ground here. As far as I know, no major Presidential candidate has ever announced their candidacy on social media this way, certainly in a Twitter space. So thank you for doing that. What made you want to kind of take the chance of doing it this way as opposed to just doing it on cable news or the usual way?

Well, when Covid hit, I had to make decisions about, do you go with the crowd, or do you look at the data yourself and cut against the grain? And I chose to do the latter. I faced huge blowback for doing that from the bureaucracy, from elites, from the media. But my view was I had to look out for the people I represented, prefer protecting their jobs over trying to safeguard my own political hide. But it was very, very lonely in a lot of those decisions.

And part of the reason it was so lonely is because there was a concerted effort to try to stifle dissent. There was an official narrative about lockdowns, about closing schools, about forced masking, about all these different things that we had to navigate during COVID And it was an orthodoxy being enforced by the major tech platforms in conjunction with the federal government. And if we can't have an honest debate in a free country about issues that affect hundreds of millions of people, like lockdowns, then what good is the First Amendment at that point?

Those are precisely the times when we needed to have debate, be robust. You should not be taking down articles that criticize those draconian policies. And yet that's exactly what happened. So it occurred to me that if that had continued, I think free speech in this country was on its way out the door. And so when Elon Musk stepped up to purchase Twitter, he paid a lot of money for it. And I'm sure because he's a good businessman, Elon, I'm sure you'll end up making money off it, but bottom line is you had to put your money where your mouth is, because I think you recognize that you can't have a free society unless we have the freedom to debate the most important issues that are affecting our civilization.

That did not happen during COVID The truth was censored repeatedly. And now that Twitter is in the hands of a free speech advocate, that would not be able to happen again on this Twitter platform. So I think what was done with Twitter is really significant for the future of our country. We cannot have a society in which government is colluding with major tech platforms to enforce an orthodoxy.

Well, thank you. Yeah, we're absolutely committed to freedom of speech and level playing field and just a vigorous debate. And hopefully this can be a platform that brings people of Divergent political views to exchange those views and perhaps some minds will be changed one way or the other.

Sa.

All right.

I think we're broadcasting, man. I think we melted the Internet there.

Yeah, that was insane. Sorry. We actually doing this from David Sachs Twitter account because it looks like doing it from mine basically broke the Twitter system. Anyway, thanks everyone for joining. We're incredibly excited to announce.

To have Governor DeSantis on with us with this historic announcement and then look forward to live Q and A from the audience. So, yeah, with that.

Yeah, I mean, so Governor Santos, can. Are you there? Can you hear us? I think you. I'm here. I know. I think, I think you broke the Internet there. We had over half a million people in one Twitter space and it was growing by like 50,000aminute. So congrats on breaking the Internet there.

Well, yeah, yeah.

I mean, try some, you know, new things.

You're going to.

Yes, it's adventurous. So.

Yes.

So I think the value here is actually really high for people to hear directly from presidential candidates and to answer a Q and A live and you can get a sense for how a candidate really is, you know, and where it's not just canned speeches and teleprompters. It's in fact, you can tell by the, you know, some of the mistakes that, that it's real.

Yeah.

So anyway, with that, I guess I should turn it over to.

Yeah, well, let's see. So, yeah. Governor, there's been a lot of speculation over the last couple of months about your plans. I understand that you may have an announcement to make. We've got, I think a record audience assembled here, you know, probably the biggest room that's probably ever been assembled online. What would you like to tell them?

Well, I am running for President of the United States to lead our great American comeback. Look, we know our country's going in the wrong direction. We see it with our eyes and we feel it in our bones. Our southern borders collapse. Drugs are pouring into the country. Our cities are being hollowed out by spiking crime. The federal government's making it harder for the average family to make ends meet and to attain and maintain a middle class lifestyle.

And our president, well, he lacks vigor. Flounders in the face of our nation's challenges and he takes his cues from the woke mob. I don't think it has to be this way. American decline is not inevitable. It is a choice. And we should choose a new direction, a path that will lead to American revitalization. We must restore sanity to our nation. This means Embracing fiscal and economic sanity. Stop pricing hardworking Americans out of a good standard of living through inflationary borrow print and spending policies.

And please embrace American energy independence. This also means replacing the woke mind virus with reality, facts and and enduring principles. Merit must trump identity politics. We must return normalcy to our communities. America is a sovereign country. Our borders must be respected. We cannot have foreigners pouring into our country illegally by the millions. We cannot allow drug cartels to poison our population with fentanyl.

Public deserve safe communities. And law and order must be maintained in American cities. We can't have inmates running the asylum. And we must reject attacks on the men and women of law enforcement. We also must reestablish integrity in our institutions. This includes the military. I'm proud to be a Navy veteran, an Iraq veteran, and I revere our services. But when revered institutions like those in our military are more concerned with matters not central to the mission, whether it's global warming or gender, ideology and pronouns, morale declines and recruiting suffers.

And you need to eliminate these distractions. And we need to get focused on the core mission. We also cannot have true constitutional government if the most significant issues are decided by the whims of unelected bureaucrats rather than the people's elected representatives. Reestablishing integrity in our institutions means we must reinvigorate our constitutional system by returning the government to its rightful ownership.

We the people. No social or economic transformation without representation. Truth needs to be our foundation. Common sense can no longer be an uncommon virtue. And in Florida we proved it could be done. We chose facts over fear, education over indoctrination, law and order over rioting and disorder. We held the line when freedom hung in the balance. And we're thriving as a result. Florida is the nation's fastest growing state.

We're number one in net in migration, number one in new business formations, recently ranked number one in education. We have a 50 year low crime rate and one of the lowest tax and debt per capita in America. But we also understand governing is not entertainment. It's not about building a brand or virtue signaling. It is about delivering results. And our results in Florida have been second to none. We can and we must deliver big results for America.

I pledge to be an energetic executive that will take on the important issues Biden's pursuit inflationary policies that are hurting working people. We will reverse those policies and we'll build an economy where working Americans can achieve a good standard of living. Biden's opened the southern border and allowed massive amounts of drugs to pour into the country. We'll shut down the border, construct a border wall and hold the drug cartels accountable.

Biden's Embrace medical authoritarianism such as unconstitutional COVID vaccine mandates. We will ensure that those violations of liberty can never happen again. Biden's allowed WOKE ideology to drive his agenda. We will never surrender to the WOKE mob and we will leave WOKE ideology in the dustbin of history. Biden's also politicized the military and caused recruiting to plummet. We will eliminate ideological agendas from our military, focus the military on the core mission, and we will reverse the poor recruiting trends.

Finally, Biden's weaponized the power of the administrative state to advance his left wing agenda. We will reconstitutionalize the executive branch and we'll bring the administrative state to heel. Now, you can't do any of that. We if you don't win, there is no substitute for victory. We must end the culture of losing that has infected the Republican Party in recent years. The tired dogmas of the past are inadequate for a vibrant future.

We must look forward, not backwards. We need the courage to lead and we must have the strength to win. And to voters who are participating in this primary process, my pledge to you is this. If you nominate me, you can set your clock to January 20, 2025 at high noon. Because on the west side of the US Capitol, I will be taking the oath of Office as the 47th President of the United States. No excuses. I will get the job done now.

These past few years have given me a new appreciation for the fragility of our freedoms. I never thought I would see things in America that we saw during the COVID 19 pandemic. But our Founding Fathers were keenly aware of the fragility of freedom when they framed our Constitution, they came to arm with having studied the history of every republic and the history of mankind. And they noticed that all of those experiments only had one thing in common.

And it was this. Every single one of them had failed. And so they knew it fell to our country, the United States of America, to determine whether people could really govern themselves. Could we have a society based on the idea that our rights are God given, not government granted, and that society functions based on the rule of law, not the rule of individual men? And when Dr. Benjamin Franklin walked out of that convention, he was asked, did you deliver a republic or a monarchy?

He said, a republic if you can keep it. They knew freedom didn't run on autopilot. They knew each generation would have a responsibility to safeguard freedom. And it's our responsibility to do so at this important juncture in our nation's history. We have a lot of work to do to ensure the country gets back on track. I ask everybody listening to please join me on this mission. Please invest in our campaign by going to Ron DeSantis.com and making a donation.

Thank you. God bless, and I look forward to the discussion.

All right, thank you, Governor. Appreciate that. I guess just as a first follow up here, thank you for putting up with these technical issues. I think we're definitely breaking new ground here. As far as I know, no major presidential candidate has ever announced their candidacy on social media this way, certainly in a Twitter space. So thank you for doing that. What made you want to kind of take the chance of doing it this way as opposed to just doing it on cable news or the usual way?

Well, when Covid hit, I had to make decisions about, do you go with the crowd, or do you look at the data yourself and cut against the grain? And I chose to do the latter. I faced huge blowback for doing that from the bureaucracy, from elites, from the media. But my view was I had to look out for the people I represented, prefer protecting their jobs over trying to safeguard my own political hide. But it was very, very lonely in a lot of those decisions.

And part of the reason it was so lonely is because there was a concerted effort to try to stifle dissent. There was an official narrative about lockdowns, about closing schools, about forced masking, about all these different things that we had to navigate during COVID And it was an orthodoxy being enforced by the major tech platforms in conjunction with the federal government. And if we can't have an honest debate in a free country about issues that affect hundreds of millions of people, like lockdowns, then what good is the First Amendment at that point?

Those are precisely the times when we needed to have debate, be robust. You should not be taking down articles that criticize those draconian policies. And yet that's exactly what happened. So it occurred to me that if that had continued, I think free speech in this country was on its way out the door. And so when Elon Musk stepped up to purchase Twitter, he paid a lot of money for it. And I'm sure because he's a good businessman, Elon, sure, you'll end up making money off it, but bottom line is you had to put your money where your mouth is, because I think you recognize that you can't have a free society unless we have the freedom to debate the most important issues that are affecting our civilization.

That did not happen during COVID The truth was censored repeatedly. And now that Twitter is in the hands of a free speech advocate, that would not be able to happen again on this Twitter platform. So I think what was done with Twitter is really significant for the future of our country. We cannot have a society in which government is colluding with major tech platforms to enforce an orthodoxy.

Well, thank you. Yeah, we're absolutely committed to freedom of speech and level playing field and just a vigorous debate. And hopefully this can be a platform that brings people of divergent political views to exchange those views and perhaps some minds will be changed one way or the other. And. But it's just incredibly important, as you highlight, that the First Amendment is irrelevant if all the media and the government are operating in lockstep.

It makes the most important amendment, the one that was most urgently added to the Constitution, moot if you cannot have free and open debate. So Twitter was indeed expensive, but free speech is priceless.

Awesome. Thank you. So, Governor, I'm going to ask some questions while we get some other kind of speakers in the queue to ask questions. I think maybe some people knew this announcement was coming because there's been no shortage of hit pieces on you in the press over the last week or two. I want to ask you about some of these accusations that are being leveled at you.