你好，早上好，早上好，很高兴独自见到你。差不多6年了，当时我和你一起坐在这里这个平台上，面对众多观众。呃，那是你第一次和家人来迪拜，希望你喜欢那次旅行。是的，非常棒，我非常投入其中。嗯，而且我，我，我看到今天我的头显得无比巨大。自从我们上次见面后，我的头变得更大了。是，是，是因为 Twitter 吗？是啊，我不知道，也许吧。嗯，Twitter 确实，嗯，颇像坐过山车。呃，埃隆，你知道，已经，已经6年了，在6英尺之内。自从我们上次交谈以来，我们见证了巨大的事情。我们见证了疫情、俄乌战争，呃，chat gbt 的发展，呃，你发射了星舰，最近还收购了 Twitter。我可以问

你这个问题吗？为什么，为什么，为什么你买下 Twitter？为什么不创建自己的平台？也许那样对你来说更便宜。我的意思是，我考虑过从零开始创建某种东西，嗯，但我，我认为，与从零开始创建相比，Twitter 或许能将进展加快3到5年。嗯，而且，嗯，我认为我们正看到极其迅猛的技术加速，呃，你知道，3到5年实际上价值巨大。呃，所以，我的意思是，如果你想想，我有点担心那个方向，以及社交媒体对世界的影响，尤其是 Twitter，而且，嗯，我认为，拥有一个最大限度值得信赖的某种数字公共广场非常重要，嗯，人们，你知道，可以在各国内部和国际上交流

呃，以，嗯，你知道，法律允许的最低程度审查。显然，这因司法管辖区而有很大差异，但我总体认为，嗯，你知道，社交媒体公司应该遵守各国法律，不应试图在各国法律之外暗中左右天平。嗯，所以，我认为，这大概是，嗯，你知道，大多数国家的立法者和人民都能认同的事情。所以，所以我认为，总体想法就是，嗯，反映人民的价值观，嗯，而不是强加本质上属于旧金山和伯克利的价值观，嗯，与世界其他地方相比，那是一种相当小众的意识形态。而且，但是，但是，你知道，我认为 Twitter 在强加，嗯，一种小众的作为一个

它接近旧金山伯克利意识形态于全世界这方面做得有点过头了。嗯，所以，你知道，我，我认为，为了文明的未来，努力纠正那种暗中左右天平的做法很重要，如果你愿意这么说的话。嗯，而且，而且，呃，就是让 Twitter 更准确地反映，呃，正如我所说，地球人民的价值观。嗯，那就是，那就是，那就是意图。嗯，而且，呃，希望我们能成功做到这一点。嗯，是的。呃，但是，如果我们说5年后，你怎么看 Twitter？你对这个平台的愿景是什么？它应该做什么？嗯，我认为它会是，我想要，你知道，实现某种长期愿景，打造一个名为，呃，x.

com 的东西，这是很久很久以前的事了。呃，它有点像一个，嗯，某种万物应用，嗯，就是极其有用。它能做，你知道，支付，呃，做，嗯，呃，所以它提供金融服务，提供信息流，嗯，实际上任何数字化的东西，嗯，而且，嗯，它还提供安全通信。嗯，所以这关系到，你知道，我认为它应该尽可能有用、尽可能有趣。嗯，谢谢。我去，呃，弄清楚正在发生什么以及真正正在发生什么。嗯，那么你就可以，应该能够上，你知道，X，也就是 X 应用，然后，呃，弄清楚。所以它算是一种来源，一种真相来源，以及一个最大限度有用的，我猜“应用”这个词不太对，但它是一个系统。嗯，而且 Twitter 实质上是这种

最大限度有用的万物应用的加速器。嗯，是的。你要怎么，我的意思是，如果看看今天的 Twitter，我的意思是，它，它是一个平台，有时 Twitter 上有很多错误信息。有时我甚至会感到不舒服，因为在某种程度上，国家之间、人与人之间、不同族群之间存在这种负面，这也是同一件事。我们要怎样，我们要怎样解决这个问题？你正肩负着一项为了人类、让他们团结起来的使命。是的，嗯，我认为有一个，嗯，我们正在投入大量精力的东西，叫作“社区注释”。嗯，目前只有英语版，但我们会把它扩展到所有语言。我认为，这是评估事情真相的一种相当好的方式，因为它基本上是由社区本身

也就是，你知道，地球上的人们，他们基本上是在，你知道，嗯，不完全是投票，而是竞争提供最准确的信息。所以这算是一场真相竞赛。嗯，我认为，开展真相竞赛是一个非常强大的概念。嗯，因为你也说过，比如，什么，什么是真的？这是因为，对一些人而言可能为真的东西，在另一些人看来可能并不是真的，但你希望得到最接近的近似结果。所以我认为“社区注释”这个东西非常强大。嗯，我认为，我们正努力让尽可能多的组织，呃，还有个人和机构，呃，得到验证，确认他们确实是那些个人和组织，这很重要。嗯，并且清楚标明组织隶属关系，这样，如果你想弄清楚某个人的

实际上，如果一个账号实际上被保存自某位议员或记者，或者，呃，如果，呃，假设某个 Twitter 用户名实际上属于，比如迪士尼公司或类似机构，你，你可以，你可以上 Twitter，而它，它算是互联网的一个身份层，你，你可以确认事实确实如此。而且，而且我认为，一旦你获得了这些某种相互嵌合的，嗯，某种身份，呃，在这种情况下其实就很难进行欺骗，呃，因为，而且到那时你也有声誉需要维护。所以我认为，人们随后在回应时更有可能保持克制，嗯，而且，嗯，我们会更加理性，因为到那时他们拥有声誉价值。嗯，所以这些是我的一些想法，嗯，而且

你知道，我不是说它肯定会成功，或者会变得完美，但我，我，我，我相信，随着时间推移，它会，你知道，朝着好的方向发展。嗯，而且我认为，这方面的证据将是人们是否觉得它有用。嗯，你知道，因为我们正在衡量某种，你知道，总用户分钟数，但不只是用户分钟数，嗯，还有无悔使用分钟数，我认为这是婚姻的关键数字。嗯，你知道，因为，嗯，比如 Tick Tock 的使用量非常高。我经常听人说，嗯，我在 Tick Tock 上花了2个小时，但我后悔那2个小时。嗯，我并不只是想抨击 Tick Tock，但只是我们不希望 Twitter 也出现这种情况。我们希望说，比如，好吧，你在 Twitter 上花了半个小时，并且你觉得它

有用、有趣，而且，嗯，是你生活中的一件好事，最终成为推动文明向善的力量。那，那就是愿望。谢谢。呃，埃隆，世界政府峰会有超过150个政府，有全球领导人，他们有80亿客户，也就是他们的公民。政府如何利用 Twitter bitter 为公民提供服务？是的，嗯，好的，我，我总体上会建议，嗯，你知道，真正在 Twitter 上多多交流，而且，呃，我，我认为，人们用自己的声音说话是件好事，而不是按照他们认为自己应该采用的方式说话。你知道，比如，嗯，你知道，有时候，比如人们会想，嗯，我，我应该像这样说话，但结果听起来，我认为有时会有些生硬，而且不，不真实。嗯，你知道，比如，如果你读一份企业的新闻

稿，听起来就像宣传。所以我会鼓励，呃，公司的 CEO，以及，呃，你知道，立法者，还有，嗯，你知道，部长等等，真诚地说话。呃，并且，你知道，如果有，比如，一项具体政策，就解释它。嗯，而且，嗯，我，我认为，有时，你知道，人们会担心受到批评，但我，我认为归根结底，你知道，受到一些，一些批评没关系。你知道，真的没那么糟。嗯，嗯，我的意思是，坦率地说，我，我在 Twitter 上经常遭到攻击。嗯，而我，我不介意。呃，这，这，嗯，你知道，我想有时候你必须有点厚脸皮。你知道，只是因为他们会，他们真的会设法把刀拧得更深。嗯，但是，但是我，但是我认为，我认为就像

我说，只是，呃，作为一种沟通形式，嗯，它很棒，而且，嗯，我只会鼓励更多沟通，嗯，而且，而且就像我说的，要算是用真实的声音说话，就像，就像有时人们会让别人当他们的某种 Twitter 管理员之类的，而我认为，我，这只是人们应该自己发推，你知道，这听起来，呃，而且，而且就像有时你犯了个错什么的，也没关系，嗯，但我认为就是自己发推，就像你会自己，你知道，在这里发表演讲，或者你会，你知道，在峰会上开会之类的，呃，我认为那，那才是做这件事的方式，就是实际上亲自发、发推，嗯，而且，嗯，直接传达你想传达的信息，嗯，是的，所以但是你

知道，我的意思是，有一件事我应该说，我知道这叫世界政府峰会，嗯，但是，呃，我认为我们或许应该对，呃，实际上变得过于像一个单一的世界政府，嗯，感到稍微有些担忧，如果我可以这么说的话，我们希望避免因为，嗯，坦率地说，这听起来可能有点奇怪，各国政府之间合作过多，嗯，而造成文明风险。你知道，如果你，如果你看看，比如历史以及文明的兴衰，嗯，实际上纵观整个历史，文明不断兴起和衰落，但这并不意味着整个人类的末日，因为一直存在，存在所有这些相互独立、被遥远距离分隔开的文明，所以，嗯，你知道，比如说，当罗马正在衰落时，你知道，伊斯兰正在

崛起，而且，呃，所以当罗马处境极其糟糕时，你有一个，呃，你知道，某种哈里发国发展得极其好，嗯，而这实际上最终成为保存知识的一个来源，呃，而且，呃，以及许多科学进步，所以，嗯，所以我认为我们需要对，呃，过度成为单一，呃，文明的一种意志保持一点谨慎，因为如果我们过度成为一个单一文明，那么如果我们，如果整个，整个体系可能会崩溃，嗯，我不知道，显然不是在提议战争或任何类似的事情，但我认为我们需要对实际上合作过多保持一点警惕，这听起来有点奇怪，但是，嗯，但是我们只是，我们希望保持一定程度的文明多样性，这样，如果，呃，如果某些方面确实出了问题

文明的一部分，让整个文明不至于崩溃，呃，而且，而且你知道，人类继续向前发展，谢谢，呃，我，你看，我听到了你的话，我在某一点上既同意也不同意你的看法，而且我认为，你知道，如今人们不再用剑战斗了，我是说，他们有核武器，所以一旦发生这种冲突，整个文明都会消失，整个人类文明都会消失，而我们实际上正在阿联酋努力做的，恰恰就是你所说的事，我们有180个国籍，这里有每一个种族、每一种宗教，而我们正努力创造一个模型，向世界表明，你是谁、你的肤色是什么、你的宗教是什么、你来自哪里，都不重要，你，人类可以和平、和谐地生活

是的，我是说，那会很好，是的，我的，我的最后一个问题，我要再次谈到Twitter，然后如果你允许我们的话，我们会离开Twitter这个话题，呃，我是说，你一直作为董事长、所有者、CEO经营Twitter，而那占用了很多时间，你确定CEO人选了吗，你打算什么时候聘用他？嗯，嗯，我认为我需要，嗯，稳定这个组织，嗯，并且确保它处于财务健康的状态，嗯，而且产品路线图得到清晰规划，嗯，所以我不知道，我猜大概会在今年年底前后，嗯，那会是一个很好的时机，去，嗯，找其他人来经营公司，因为我认为公司应该会在，呃，你知道，今年年底前后处于稳定状态，呃，埃隆，呃，如果我们转向其他话题，我是说，在

这里的峰会上，我们有演讲者谈论词语的状态、未来10个十年世界的地缘政治状态、世界经济的状态，你知道，现在以及未来10年的情况，如果我问你技术的状态，如果你能稍微详细说明一下，然后向我们简要介绍，你如何看待从现在起未来10年的技术发展？让我们看看，10年，要精确预测技术总是很困难，尤其是在10年的时间跨度内，因为它变化如此之大，嗯，我是说，显然存在向可持续能源的转型，呃，包括太阳能、风能、电池和电动汽车，嗯，而且，而且那就是，如果你看它的百分比增长，那是非常高的百分比增长，尽管由于庞大的工业基础

属于，嗯，属于当前这种，嗯，化石燃料经济，它，它甚至，比如，即使所有，例如，如果电动汽车立即达到生产量的100，也需要20年才能替换整个车队，所以这仍然是一个相当渐进的过程，你知道，它是以仅仅几个，你知道，30、30、40年这种时间跨度来衡量的，嗯，从更为近期的时间跨度来看，我认为人工智能是我们需要，嗯，相当担忧的事，而且确实要，呃，关注AI的安全性，嗯，你刚才提到了chat gbt，嗯，你知道，我，我在openai的创建过程中发挥了重要作用，嗯，基本上，当时我担心Google没有对AI安全给予足够关注，所以我，我与另外一些人，嗯，创建了opening，而且

尽管它最初是作为一个开源非营利组织创建的，而现在它是闭源且营利性的，我在open AI中已不再持有任何股份，也不在董事会中，也不以任何方式控制它，嗯，但这里的chat GPS，我认为已经向人们展示了AI已经变得多么先进，嗯，因为AI先进已经有一段时间了，只是它没有一个，嗯，大多数人都能使用的用户界面，嗯，所以chat gbt真正做的，只是为AI技术配上一个易于使用的用户界面，而这项技术已经存在几年了，嗯，而且还有先进得多的版本即将推出，嗯，所以我认为我们，你知道，我认为我们确实需要，我认为坦率地说，我们需要监管AIC，嗯，因为如果你想到任何

嗯，可能对，呃，公民，对，对人们构成风险的技术，比如飞机，或者，呃，你的汽车或药物，我们都有监管机构来监督汽车、飞机和药物的公共安全，而我认为我们或许，我们应该对人工智能实施一种类似的监管监督，因为，嗯，我认为它实际上对社会构成的风险比，呃，汽车、飞机或药物更大，嗯，所以，嗯，而这基本上必然会稍微减缓AI的发展，但我认为那也可能是一件好事，嗯，这里的挑战是，政府监管，呃，机构往往是在某件坏事发生后才作为回应设立的，所以如果你看看，比如飞机或，或汽车，嗯，你知道，汽车起初不受监管，飞机

也不受监管，呃，但它们发生过许多，嗯，你知道，飞机坠毁事故，而且在某些情况下，制造商会偷工减料，嗯，而且，而且很多人因此死亡，所以他们，公众对此并不满意，于是他们设立了一个监管机构来提高安全性，而现在商业客机极其安全，嗯，如果你开车去某个地方，商业客机每英里的安全性要优于汽车，而与过去相比，汽车也极其安全，所以，嗯，但如果你说，如果你看看，比如安全带的引入，汽车行业曾抵制把安全带作为一项安全措施引入，我想长达10或15年，直到监管机构最终要求他们安装安全带和汽车，而那极大地提高了

汽车的安全性，而安全气囊是安全性的另一项重大改进，所以我担心的是，对于AI，如果，如果有什么颇为，如果出了问题，嗯，从监管角度来说，反应可能会太慢，嗯，所以我，我会说，比如它，你知道，如果它是文明未来面临的最大风险之一，嗯，无论正面还是负面，它都有巨大的、巨大的前景和巨大能力，但随之而来的也有巨大危险，我是说，比如我说核，你知道，仅仅是某种核物理学的发现，呃，你有了核能发电，但也有了核弹，嗯，所以无论如何，我认为我们应该对此相当担忧，而且我们应该，呃，对其实施某种监管，如果我从根本上说，它是什么，嗯，对公众的一项风险，呃，是的，非常好，让我转向另一个

关于埃隆教育这个话题，我是说，你对教育有自己的理念。随着AI的出现，教育可能会发生巨大变化。你能否简要谈谈你的教育理念？第二，接受任何12年的学校教育和4年的大学教育吗？嗯，就教育而言，我认为总体上，我们可以做的一些让它更有吸引力的事情，是向孩子们解释为什么要教某个特定科目。嗯，所以，人类思维已经被唤起，去真正忘掉任何它认为不重要的东西。所以，嗯，如果说人类记忆相对于你手机的记忆真的相当、相当糟糕，你的手机，你的手机是可以记住一整部百科全书的全部内容，一直到像素中的最后一个字母。嗯，但相比之下，人类的记忆很糟糕。

所以，大脑其实一直在试图遗忘事物。嗯，所以如果你……但如果你解释为什么，为什么要教授某个科目，嗯，那就会建立关联性，而且更有可能激发孩子们的动力。嗯，而且还有，如果你把知识，尤其是科学知识，作为某个问题的解决方案来教，嗯，效果会好得多。所以，呃，比如说你正在尝试理解一台内燃机，那么实际上最好是把它拆开，然后说，好吧，我们需要使用什么工具来拆开它？我们需要扳手、螺丝刀和其他各种东西，呃，来拆开它。好，那么你就理解了这些工具存在的原因。所以，比如对于数学，而且……它就像工具一样。

以及在物理学和工程学中。嗯，但如果你，如果你……但如果你针对问题来教，并且说，然后你就理解了，然后你确立了这些工具的关联性，那么你实际上会更容易记住，嗯，数学和物理学，呃，因为它们将帮助解释世界如何运作。嗯，而不是不解释原因、只是直接教授它们。这就像，不是针对问题进行教学，目前人们教的是工具；这就像开设一门关于螺丝刀的课程，或者一门关于扳手的课程，嗯，却不明白为什么要开这门课，你只是在学习螺丝刀和扳手。嗯，我认为这确实是一条非常根本的原则，应该应用于教育。嗯，而且，而且我认为有时我们的确，我们的确……

教授一些孩子们认为没有用的课程，而且对于“为什么”的回答实际上不会是一个很好的答案。嗯，你知道，我认为大多数人不会觉得高等数学有用，而且他们一生中也不太可能觉得它有用。嗯，或者其中他们确实觉得有用的部分，可以作为一般原则非常迅速地教会。嗯，我还认为，批判性思维是应该从相对年幼的时候就教给孩子们的东西。嗯，它实际上就像一道思维防火墙。嗯，要真正思考，当有人告诉你某件事时，它是否合乎逻辑，是否真实，或者它为真的概率是多少。嗯，这样你就能被教会拒绝那些不真实或更有可能不真实的东西，嗯，并偏向那些……

更有可能是真的，嗯，批判性思维，我认为对人们学习很有帮助。那么，是12年的学校教育，你是有还是没有12种恐惧，嗯，好吧，你的时间很长，我想。我的意思是，人类确实需要很长时间才能成熟，所以情感成熟、身体成熟和心智成熟是与教育同时发生的，嗯，我想也许可以在10年内完成，或许不需要12年。

嗯，但，但是，一个人在16岁时成熟吗，他们更有可能在18岁时成熟。

所以我想，12 年可能不算糟糕。嗯，我们在学院和大学里可能不需要额外的 4 年、5 年或 6 年，那似乎可能过多了。我认为我们大概可以削减几年，也不会有问题。好的，顺便说一句，孩子们会喜欢的。是的，呃，但是你知道，社交媒体……但我们在社交媒体上花了这么多小时。我是说，在某些国家，平均有时是 3、4 个小时花在社交媒体上。有时当我们去看自己的孩子时，我们也看到他们花很长时间，这是他知识的一部分。你对自己的孩子有任何规定吗？我是说，他们可以在社交媒体上花多少时间？对，你知道，我当然没有，呃，试图限制我的孩子使用社交媒体，尽管那可能是个错误。嗯，这取决于是哪个孩子，我是说，他们已经……

实际上一直在被 Reddit 和 YouTube 编程，我会说，嗯，比其他任何东西都更甚，是 Reddit 和 YouTube，嗯，我想我可能会比过去更多地限制社交媒体的使用，呃，而且就是，你知道，留意一下他们在看什么，因为我认为，你知道，此时他们就像是在被某种社交媒体算法编程，而你可能认同，也可能不认同这种算法，嗯，所以我，我认为或许一个办法就是监督，呃，儿童使用社交媒体，嗯，并警惕他们被某种在硅谷编写的算法所编程，你知道，而那，你知道，可能并不是你想要的。呃，埃隆，你一直工作得非常辛苦，我是说，自从 6 年前我们见过你，你看起来年轻多了，顺便说一句，大约 6 年前。谢谢，但我，我知道他一直

每天工作将近 20 小时。你睡在办公室的沙发上，也许是 Twitter 办公室、Tesla 办公室。你有一次告诉过我，我们，我，我当时和你一起在 Tesla 的办公室。你如何平衡生活？我是说，面对这种压力，还有这么多不同的，你知道，你身处这么多不同的公司，你如何取得平衡？嗯，我，我是说，我，我应该指出，20 小时的工作日，呃，是相对少见的，而且，而且相当痛苦，呃，不过，不过我，我每晚睡 6 小时，所以，嗯，如果我睡不到 6 小时，而我，我发现我，我可能醒着的时间更长，但完成的事情却更少。所以，嗯，不过我，我确实工作得多得荒谬，我认为相对于大多数人而言是这样，也就是说，基本上每周 7 天，而且大部分时间都是从我醒来到我睡觉，嗯，我不是在建议

这对每个人都有好处，而且坦率地说，我想在这方面少工作一点。所以，嗯，比如 Tesla，Tesla 经历过一些非常困难的时期，当时它处在勉强生存的边缘，而且，呃，实际上如果我，如果我不倾尽全力，公司很容易就会破产，它确实有相当长一段时间处于破产边缘，嗯，我并不是想暗示现在可以自满，但，呃，你知道，与，比如 2017 年至 2019 年这段时期相比，现在运营 Tesla 所需的工作量确实少得多，而且这不是生存上的致命风险，它已经实现了规模经济，使它，你知道，不再，呃，处于勉强生存的边缘，嗯，然后 SpaceX 也有一支强大的团队，能够取得大量进展，嗯，即使我花得更少

时间在那里，嗯，如果我在那里投入时间，确实会有帮助，但，呃，你知道，即使我不投入时间，它也会继续取得进展，嗯，Twitter 在某种程度上仍然是一家反向发展的初创公司，所以要让 Twitter 达到某种稳定状态，这里需要做很多工作，嗯，而且，呃，就像我说的，要真正建立 Twitter 的工程引擎、软件工程引擎，并让它，嗯，你知道，真正让它喜欢做出一份出色的产品路线图，并安排好人员来落实这份产品路线图。所以我并不打算，嗯，像疯了一样工作，你知道，我是说，我想我仍然，我，我要是能适应每周区区 80 小时的工作就没问题了。好吧，这是我向往的状态。谢谢，我们的时间快用完了，我还有最后一个必须问你的问题。当然。3

UFO B 在阿拉斯加、休伦湖和加拿大击落了一个，外星人，没有外星人，我不认为那是外星人，不是，好吧，嗯，我是说，我确实觉得整个外星人问题，嗯，是一个非常有趣的问题，呃，你知道，通常所谓的费米悖论，也就是说，如果宇宙真的像科学似乎认为的那样古老，而且，而且外星人在哪里，嗯，已经存在了13。

80亿年，如果是这样，难道不应该到处都有外星人吗，嗯，疯狂的是，我没有看到任何外星技术或任何外星生命的证据，完全没有，嗯，我想我，我想我知道，嗯，你知道，SpaceX，我们做了很多，我是说，我想我知道，我不认为有谁比我更了解太空，你知道，或者至少是太空技术，嗯，所以，但我认为，如果没有外星人，这其实也是一件令人不安的事，也就是说，所有，呃，那实际上可能意味着，呃，某种程度上，文明和意识就像广阔黑暗中的一支小蜡烛，而且是一支非常脆弱的小蜡烛，很容易被吹灭，嗯，因此我认为，我们应该非常小心地呵护这个很可能处于

广阔黑暗中的小把手，确保它不会熄灭，并且让意识之光延伸到地球之外，尽我们所能确保，呃，意识之光不会熄灭。埃隆，我们时间用完了，非常感谢，希望明年能在阿联酋这里见到你和你的家人。听起来不错，非常感谢，再次感谢你们邀请我。谢谢，谢谢，我们会再见的，拜拜。

hello good morning good morning good to see you alone it's been almost six years where we I sat with you here in this platform with a great audience uh it was your first trip to Dubai with your family I hope you enjoyed it yeah it was wonderful I'm very much into it um and I I'm I see my my head is Gigantic on this day my head has grown larger since we last met is it is it is it because of Twitter yeah I don't know perhaps it um Twitter is it's certainly um quite the roller coaster uh Elon just you know it's been it's been six years within six feet we've seen a tremendous thing since our our last conversation we've seen the pandemic Russian Ukrainian War uh development of uh chat gbt uh you launched Starship you recently also acquired Twitter can I ask

you this question why why why you bought Twitter why didn't you create your own platform maybe it was cheaper for you I mean I thought about creating something from scratch um but I I thought it would Twitter would perhaps accelerate progress versus creating something from scratch by three to five years um and um I think we are seeing just a tremendous technology acceleration uh that you know three to five years is actually worth a lot uh so I mean if you think I was a little worried about the direction that and the effect of social media on the world and especially Twitter and um I thought it was very important for there to be a maximally trusted sort of digital Public Square um where people you know within countries and internationally could communicate

uh with um you know the least amount of censorship uh Allowed by law obviously that varies a lot by jurisdiction but I think in general um you know social media companies should adhere to the laws of of countries and not try to put a thumb on the scale beyond the laws of countries um so and I think this is something that is probably agreeable to um the you know the legislators and and the people of most countries so so I think it's that's the general idea is just um to reflect the values of of the people um as opposed to imposing the values of essentially San Francisco and Berkeley um which are somewhat of a niche ideology um as compared to the rest of the world and but but you know Twitter was I think doing a little too much to impose um a niche as a

it's near San Francisco Berkeley ideology on the world um so you know I I thought the it was important for the future of civilization to try to correct that uh thumb on the scale if you will um and and uh and just have Twitter more accurately reflect uh like I said the the values of the the people of Earth um that's that's the that's the intention um and uh hopefully as we succeed in doing that um yeah uh but how do you see Twitter if we we say it five years down the road what's your vision for for this platform what what should it do well I think it'd be I'd like to you know have the sort of long-term vision for something called uh x.

com from back way back in the day uh which is kind of like a um sort of like an everything app um where it's just massively useful it does you know payments uh does um uh so it provides Financial Services provides information flow um really anything digital um and um it also provides secure Communications um so it relates to you know I think it would be as useful as possible as entertaining as possible um and thank you I went to uh find out what's going on and what's really going on um then you could should be able to go on on you know X the X app and uh and find out so it's a sort of source a sort of a source of Truth and a maximally useful I guess app is about the wrong word but system um and and Twitter is essentially an accelerant to that sort of

maximally useful everything app um yeah how how you are gonna I mean if you look at Twitter today I mean it's it's a platform sometimes there is a lot of misinformation in Twitter sometimes I don't feel comfortable even because there is some way there is this negative between Nation between people between different ethnic group that is the same thing how we are how we are going to fix this issue where you are you are in a mission with for Humanity to get them together yeah um I think there's um there's something that we're putting a lot of efforts into called Community notes um it's currently just in English but we will be expanding it to all languages that is I think quite a good way to assess the truth of things where it's the community itself basically

the you know the people of Earth who are basically what you know um not exactly voting but but competing to provide the most accurate information so it's sort of a competition for truth um and I think it's a very powerful concept to have a competition for truth um because you also said like what what is true it's because what may be true to some may not be viewed as true to others but you want to have the closest approximation of that so I think the community notes thing is very powerful um I think we are trying to have as many organizations uh and people and institutions uh verified as being legitimately those people and organizations is is important um and to have the organizational affiliation clearly identified so that if you want to find out if somebody's

actually if an account is actually saved from A Member of Parliament or a journalist or uh if uh let's say if a Twitter handle is actually belongs to say Disney Corporation or something like that you you can you can go on Twitter and it's it's sort of an identity layer of the internet and you you can confirm that that is a fact the case and and I think once you've got these sort of interlocking um sort of identities uh it's actually very hard to be deceptive in that case uh because and it's also you have a reputation to protect at that point so I think then people are far more likely to be measured in their response um and um we will be more reasonable since they have reputational value at that point um so these are some of the ideas that I have um and

you know I'm not saying that for sure it will succeed or that it's going to be perfect but I I I I am confident that it will over time you know head into in a good direction um and I think that the evidence for that will be do people find it useful um you know as we're measuring sort of the you know total user minutes but not just user minutes um unregretted use minutes which I think that the key figure of marriage um you know because um well for example Tick Tock has a very high usage I often hear people say well I spent two hours on Tick Tock but I regret those two hours um I'm not just trying to knock Tick Tock but it's just we don't want that to be the case with Twitter we want to say like okay you spent half an hour on Twitter that you found it to

be useful and entertaining and um a good thing in your life and ultimately be a force for good for civilization that that's the aspiration thank you uh Elon we have over 150 government within the world government Summit global leaders they have 8 billion customer their citizen how government can use Twitter bitter to service citizens yeah um well I I think generally um I would recommend um you know really communicating a lot on Twitter and uh I I think it's good for people to speak in in their voice as opposed to how they think they should speak you know like um you know sometimes like people think well I I should speak in this like but it ends up sounding I think somewhat at times somewhat stiff but and not not real um you know like if you read a press

release from Corporation it just sounds like propaganda so I would encourage uh CEOs and um of companies and uh you know legislators and um you know ministers and so forth to to speak authentically uh and to you know if there's a say a particular policy to explain it um and um and I I think there's you know sometimes a concern about criticism but I I think at the end of the day you know it's having some some criticism is is fine you know it's not that it's really not that bad um um I mean I I I'm constantly attacked on on Twitter frankly um and I I don't mind uh it's it's um you know you have to be somewhat thick skinned I suppose at times you know just because you're gonna they're really trying to twist a knife um but but I but I think I think just like

I said just uh as a form for communication um it's great and um and I would just encourage more communication um and and like I said to to sort of speak in an authentic voice like like sometimes people will have someone else be their sort of Twitter manager or something like that and I think I it's just people should just do their own tweets you know it sounds uh it and and like sometimes you make a mistake or something it's fine um but I think just doing your own tweets just like you would do your own you know you give a talk here or you would you know have a meeting at a summit or something uh I think that's that's the way to do it is is to actually do do the tweets yourself um and um and convey the message that you want directly um yeah so but you

know I mean one thing I should say I know this is called the world government Summit um but uh I think we should be maybe a little bit concerned about uh actually becoming too much of a single World Government um if I may say that we want to avoid creating a civilizational risk by having um frankly this may sound a little odd too much cooperation between governments um you know if you know if you look at say the history and the rise and fall of civilizations um the really all throughout history civilizations have risen and Fallen but it hasn't meant the Doom of humanity as a whole because they've been they've been all these separate civilizations that were separated by great distances and so um you know say like while Rome was falling you know Islam was

rising and uh so you had like a uh you know the the sort of caliphate doing incredibly well while Rome was doing terribly um and that actually ended up being a source of preservation of knowledge uh and uh and many as scientific advancements and so um so I think we want to be a little bit cautious about uh being too much of a will of a single uh civilization because if we are too much of a single civilization then if we're if the whole the whole thing May collapse um I don't know obviously not suggesting war or anything like that but I think we want to be a little bit wary of actually cooperating too much it sounds a little odd but um but we just we want to have some amount of civilizational diversity such that if uh if something does go wrong with some

part of civilization that the whole thing doesn't collapse uh and and you know Humanity keeps moving forward thank you uh I you see I I hear you I agree and disagree with you a certain point and I think you know it's today people they don't fight with sword anymore I mean they have nuclear weapons so there is there is this conflict the whole civilization will be gone the whole human civilization will be gone and what we are trying to do here at the Emirates actually is to do exactly what you are saying we have 180 nationality you have every single race every single religion and we are trying to create a model that show the world that doesn't matter who you are what your color what's your religion where you're from you Humanity can live in peace and harmony

yeah I mean that would be good yeah my my last question I'll go to Twitter uh again then we'll move out of Twitter if you allowed us uh I mean you've been running Twitter as at the chairman at the owner at the CEO and that's take a lot of time did you identify a CEO and when you are going to hire him well um I I think I need to um stabilize the organization um and just make sure it's in a financially healthy place um and that the the product roadmap is clearly laid out um so I don't know I'm guessing probably towards the end of this year um which would be good timing to um find uh someone else to run the company because I think it should be in a stable position around uh you know at the end of this year uh Elon uh if we move to other subjects I mean at

the summit here we have speaker who speak about state of the word state of geopolitical of the world for the next 10 decade state of the economy of the world you know now and in the next 10 years if I ask you about the state of Technology if you can elaborate a bit then brief us how do you see technology in the next 10 years from now let's see 10 years it's always difficult to predict technology with Precision especially over a 10-year time frame when it is changing so much um I mean there's there's obviously the transition to sustainable energy uh with the solar wind batteries and electric vehicles um and and that that's if you look at the percentage growth of that that is a very high percentage growth although because of the massive industrial base

of um of the current sort of um fossil fuel economy it it even like even if all for example if electric cars were 100 of production immediately it would take 20 years to replace the fleet so this is still something that is quite gradual you know it's measured in just a few you know 30 30 40 years type of time frame um on a more sort of near-term time frame I think artificial intelligence is something we need to be um quite concerned about and really be uh attentive to the safety of of AI um you mentioned a chat gbt earlier um you know I I played a significant role in the creation of openai um essentially at the time I was concerned that Google was not paying enough attention to AI safety and so I I with a number of other people um created opening and

although initially it was created as an open source non-profit and now it is closed source and for-profit I don't have any stake in open AI anymore nor am I on the board nor do I control it in any way um but the chat GPS here I think has Illustrated to people just how advanced AI has become um because the AI has been Advanced for a while it just didn't have a user interface that was um accessible to most people um so what really chat gbt has done is just put an accessible user interface on AI technology that is this has been present for a few years um and there are much more advanced versions for that that are coming out um so I think we you know I think we need to really be I think we need to regulate AIC quite frankly um because if you think of any

um technology which is potentially a risk to uh civil to to people like if it's an aircraft or uh your cars or medicine we have regulatory bodies that oversee the public safety of cars and planes and Medicine and I think we should probably we should have a a similar sort of regulatory oversight for artificial intelligence because um it is I think actually a bigger risk to society than uh cars or planes or medicine um so um and this basically have to slow down AI a little bit but I think that that might also be a good thing um the the challenge here is that a government regulatory uh authorities tend to be set up in reaction to something bad that happened so if you look at say aircraft or or cars um you know the cars were unregulated at the beginning aircraft

were unregulated uh but they had lots of um you know airplane crashes and in some cases manufacturers that were cutting Corners um and and a lot of people were dying so they the public was not happy about that and so they established a regulatory authority to improve safety and now commercial airliners are extremely safe um if you were to drive somewhere it's a safety for a mile of a commercial airliner is better than a car and cars are also extremely safe compared to where they used to be so um but if you say if you look at say the introduction of seat belts the Auto industry fought the introduction of seat belts as a safety measure for I think 10 or 15 years before finally The Regulators made them put seat belts and cars and that greatly improved the

safety of cars and that airbags were another big Improvement in safety so my concern is that with AI if if there's something rather if something goes wrong um the reaction might be too slow from a regulatory standpoint um so I I would say like it you know if it's like one of the biggest risks to the future of civilization um positive or negative it has great great promise great capability but it also with that comes great danger I mean like I say nuclear it you know just discovery of sort of nuclear physics uh you had nuclear power generation but also nuclear bombs um so anyway I think we should be quite concerned about it and we should uh have some regulation of what is it if I fundamentally um a risk to the public uh yeah very great let me move to another

subject Elon education I mean you have your own philosophy about education with AI education might change dramatically when you tell us briefly about your philosophy of education and number two do any 12 years of schooling and four years of University well um with respect to education I think in general uh some things that we could do to make it more compelling would be to explain to Children why we are teaching a particular subject um so uh the human mind has evoked to really forget anything that it deems um unimportant so um if that human memory is really quite quite bad relative to the memory of your phone your phone is can remember the entire contents of an encyclopedia down to last a letter in pixel um but human memories is terrible by comparison

so the mind is constantly trying to forget things actually um so if you but if you explain the the why why a subject is being taught um that will then establish relevance and it's much more likely to result in motivation for kids um and and then also if you if you teach uh knowledge especially in the Sciences as solutions to a problem um it's much more effective so uh like let's say you're trying to understand an internal combustion engine well it's actually better to sort of take that apart and and then say okay well what tools do we need to use to take it apart we need a wrench and screwdriver and various other things uh to take it apart well then then you understand that the reason for the tools and so like for for mathematics and and it's I like tools

and in physics and Engineering um but if you if you but if you teach to the problem and say and then you understand then you establish the relevance of the tools then you it's actually much easier to remember um mathematics and physics uh because they'll help explain how the world works um as opposed to teaching them without explaining why and simply teaching them it's like instead of having teaching to the problem teaching currently people teach the tool it would be like having a course on on screwdrivers or course on wrenches um but not understanding why you have a course you're learning about screwdrivers and wrenches um I think this is really quite a fundamental principle that should be applied in education um and and I think sometimes we do we do

teach classes that are that children do not find useful and and where the answer to the why is actually not going to be a very good answer um you know most people I think will do not find advanced mathematics useful and are unlikely to find it useful in their life um or the elements that they do find useful could be taught very quickly as general principles um I also think that critical thinking is something that should be taught to children out of a relatively young age um as effectively like a mental firewall um to really think about when somebody tells you something is it cogent is it true or what is the probability that it is true um and so that you can to be taught to reject things that are untrue or more likely to be untrue um and favor things that

are more likely to be true um critical thinking I think is very helpful for people to learn so is it 12 years of schooling you are with or without 12 fears um well yours is a long time I suppose I mean humans just do take a long time to mature so there's emotional maturity physical maturity and mental maturity that is happening simultaneously with the education um I suppose it could be done in 10 years perhaps it does not need 12.

um but but then is someone mature at age 16 they're more likely to be mature at age 18.

so I guess 12 years is probably not bad um we probably don't need an additional four or five or six years in in college and university that seems probably excessive I think we'll probably shave a few years off and be fine okay kids will love it by the way yeah uh but you know social media but we spend so many hours on social media I mean the average sometime in certain country three four hours in social media and sometimes when we go to our kids we we see them spending also long hours part of his knowledge do you have any rule for your kids I mean how much they can spend in social media right you know I'm certainly not uh try to restrict social media for my kids although that might have been a mistake um depending on which kid it is that I mean they've

really been programmed by Reddit and YouTube I'd say um more than anything else Reddit in YouTube um I think probably I would limit social media a bit more than I have in the past uh and just you know let's take note of what they're watching because I think you know at this point they're being like programmed by some social media algorithm which you may or may not agree with um so I I think probably one is to supervise uh children's use of social media um and be wary of them getting programmed by some algorithm written in the Silicon Valley you know which you know maybe not be what you want uh Elon you've been working very hard I mean since six years ago we met you you look much younger by the way about six years ago thanks but I I know that he's been

working for almost 20 hours a day you sleep and the sofa in the office maybe Twitter office Tesla office you told me once we I I was with you at Tesla's office how do you balance your life I mean with this stress with so many different you know you're on so many different companies how do you balance it well I I mean I I should point out that I a 20-hour workday is uh relatively unusual and and rather painful uh but but I I do sleep six hours a night so um and if I sleep less than six hours and I I find that I am I might be awake longer but I get less done so um but I I do have a worker ridiculous amount I think relative to most people and in that it's pretty much seven days a week and mostly from when I wake up to when I go to sleep um I'm not suggesting

this is good for everyone and I think frankly I would like to work a bit less on that so um say Tesla Tesla went through some very difficult times where it was on the Ragged edge of survival and and uh really if I if I didn't give it everything I got it the company could have easily gone bankrupt it was really on the verge of bankruptcy for quite a while um I don't mean to suggest complacency at this point but uh you know it does require much less work to operate Tesla Now versus say in the 2017 to 2019 time frame and it's not a mortal risk of survives it's achieved economies of scale that make it you know not uh on the Ragged edge of survival um and then the SpaceX also has the strong team and is able to make a lot of progress um even if I spent less

time there um it does help if I spend time there but uh you know it keeps making progress even if I don't um Twitter is still somewhat of a startup in reverse and so there's a lot of work required here to get Twitter to a sort of a stable position um and uh like I said to really build the engine of engineering of software engineering at a Twitter and have it um you know really have it likes to do a great product roadmap and and the people in place to implement that product roadmap and so it is not my intention to work um like crazy you know I mean I think I still I I got comfortable with a mere 80 hour work week would be fine all right is what I would aspire to thank you we are running out of time I have one last question I have to ask you sure three

UFO B shot one over Alaska Lake Huron and Canada alien no alien I don't think it's aliens no okay um I mean I do find the whole question of of aliens um a very interesting one uh you know what is typically called the Fermi Paradox which is that if the universe is really as old as it as a science seems to think it is and as and the the where are the aliens um have really been around for 13.

8 billion years if so where should there be aliens all over the place um why do the crazy thing is I've seen no evidence of of alien technology or any alien life whatsoever um and I think I I think I know um you know SpaceX we do a lot I mean I think I know I don't think anyone knows more about space you know than than me or at least the space technology um so but I think it's actually a troubling thing if there are no aliens as well which is that all uh that what what that actually could mean then is that uh sort of civilization and Consciousness is like a tiny candle in a vast darkness and and a very vulnerable tiny candle that could easily get blown out um and I think we should therefore take great care with what may very well be this tiny handle in

a vast darkness and make sure that it does not go out and that we extend the light of Consciousness beyond Earth and do everything we can to ensure that uh the light of Consciousness does not go out Elon we run out of time thank you very much and hopefully to see you next year with us here in the Emirates with your family sounds good and thanks so much thanks again for having me thank you thank you we'll see you bye-bye