机器翻译,已尽力保留原意与数字
内容摘要
马斯克和马云在世界人工智能大会开幕式上辩论人工智能的风险与未来。
Musk and Jack Ma debate the risks and future of artificial intelligence at the World AI Conference opening.
中文实录Transcript
52 个段落
第 1 段
在Tesla,以及联合国数字合作高级别小组联合主席马云,让我们以非常热烈的掌声欢迎他们,很高兴今天两位都来到这里与我们相聚。这个环节其实备受期待,我们已经把问题的一些关键词放到了大屏幕上,稍后你们只要点击自己感兴趣的词来谈就可以了。现在舞台交给你们。你应该说些什么?也许就谈谈AI。好吧,让我们看看。对,好,太好了,对,对。其实有人告诉我,这个AI意味着爱,听起来像个名字。对,我,我讨厌AI这个词,它叫人工智能,我把它叫作阿里巴巴智能。对,最后可能真会是这样。你知道,我认为总体而言,人们低估了AI的能力,他们有点认为
第 2 段
它就像一个聪明的人,但它其实远不止如此,它会比最聪明的人聪明得多。也许就像,你知道,比如黑猩猩真的能理解人类吗?其实不能。你知道,它们只是,我们在它们看来就像奇怪的外星人。嗯,它们大多只关心其他黑猩猩,而相对影响来说,情况差不多就会是这样。如果差距只有这么小,那就太惊人了。它很可能要大得多,大得多。所以,我看到人工智能研究人员犯的最大错误,就是假定他们是聪明的。对,和AI相比,他们并不聪明,因此他们中没有人能够想象出比自己更聪明的东西,但AI会聪明得多,聪明得多。那么你会
第 3 段
如何应对那样的局面?那样的局面你怎么办?我不确定,你知道,希望,我希望它们很友善。我的意思是,我显然有一些,你知道,我认为在一种情况下,如果你,如果你,你知道那句老话,如果你不能,如果你打不过他们,就加入他们。你知道,这就是Neuralink所做的事,就像是我们能不能一起搭上这趟车,和AI同行。我的意思是,我确实认为本质上应该有其他像Neuralink这样的公司,来创建一个与大脑连接的高带宽接口,因为现在,现在我们已经是赛博格了。人们没有意识到我们已经是一条人行道,因为我们与手机和电脑融合得如此之好。手机几乎就像你自身的延伸,如果你忘了带手机,就像少了一只
第 4 段
肢体。但带宽,与手机通信的带宽非常低,尤其是输入带宽。所以实际上,计算机的输入带宽其实已经下降了,因为用2根拇指打字,而不是用10根手指打字,会大幅降低带宽。输入带宽因为视频和影像而提高了。所以输入带宽比输出带宽高出许多个数量级,以至于到了某个时候,如果我们只是设想,假设AI是友善的情景,我们就会太慢了。你知道,这就像,对某个东西来说,比如一台拥有百亿亿次浮点运算,或者,你知道,拥有许多额外浮点运算能力的计算机,1毫秒就是永恒,而对我们来说什么都不是。所以,你知道,我想我会说,人类语言对计算机来说会
第 5 段
听起来像非常缓慢、带音调的喘息声,有点像鲸鱼的声音。对,你知道,因为我们的带宽是多少,基本上每秒几百比特?如果说得宽松一点,也许每秒几千比特。而计算机可以轻易地以太字节级别通信。所以即便没有别的原因,计算机也会变得不耐烦。这就像在和一棵树说话,那就是人类。对,而且我不是一个很好的音符,基本上通过语言几乎传递不出任何信息。对。我总是惊叹于你对技术的愿景。我不是技术人士,我认为我完全关注生活。我认为AI将为世界社会开启新的篇章,让人们尝试更好地了解我们自己,而不是外部世界,而且预测
第 6 段
未来是如此困难,99。
第 7 段
人类历史上对未来所作预测的99%全都是错的,包括刚才那个。哦,对,只有,你知道,预测中那0.00%是对的。它们是对的,因为偶然。对,但80%的统计数据是假的,这也是真的。对,所以我的意思是,劳伦,得了吧,各位,伙计,我对人工智能或阿里巴巴智能感到高兴,它将更好地理解人,理解人的内在。所以当人们非常担忧人工智能时,人们应该对自己更有信心,因为我认为,虽然很多解决方案我们今天还没有,但明天会有解决方案。我们没有给年轻人的解决方案,我们有解决方案。所以我相当乐观,而且我不认为
第 8 段
人工智能是一种威胁。我不认为鱼类智能是什么可怕的东西,但人类足够聪明,能够学会它。对我来说,人工智能就像是,今天对此忧心忡忡的人,是那些我称他们为,称,称作大学聪明的人。像我们这样的人是街头聪明,我们从来不怕它。我们觉得它非常有趣,而且我们想改变自己去拥抱它。我不知道,伙计,这听起来就像著名的临终遗言。这个,让我告诉你,AI是,我的意思是,你知道,总体上的发展速度,计算机的投资速度简直疯狂。一个很好的例子就是电子游戏。你知道,如果回到40,40年前,或者也许50年前,对,那时有Pong,画面只有2个长方形和1个正方形。
第 9 段
现在你有了照片般逼真的实时模拟,还有数百万人同时游玩。如果你假设存在任何程度的改进,那么,我的意思是,这些游戏将与现实完全无法区分,你将无法分辨差别。要么如此,要么文明终结,这是2种选择。但即使技术进步的速度放慢1000倍,那么好吧,往前推进1000年,你知道,10000年,这仍然非常短暂。我的意思是,文明,文明可能已经存在了,你知道,可以说,我认为是7000年左右,如果你从首次出现任何,任何文字、任何有记录的符号开始算,不包括洞穴壁画。考虑到
第 10 段
宇宙已有13。
第 11 段
80亿年历史,我的意思是,如果文明持续100万年,我们也只会让13之后的第3位小数增加。
第 12 段
80亿年,如果我们持续100万年的话。所以我知道,鉴于我们只存在了7000年,这似乎是一段很长的时间,而且文明这方面一直相当,一直有点像坐过山车。所以,我的意思是,我并不是想要,我天生是个乐观的人,这点要说清楚。我不是在说,嘿,大难临头。我只是说,这些,这就是表面呈现出的模式。技术变化的速度快得不可思议,它正在超越我们理解它的能力。嗯,我不确定这是好是坏,我不知道。好吧,我的意思是,一段时间以前,在我看来,你可以把人类看作数字超级智能的生物引导加载程序,如果你是那些知道引导加载程序的人,它是一小段非常微小的代码,没有它
第 13 段
计算机就无法启动,但它有点像计算机启动所必需的最少代码。就像你无法让硅电路进化,你知道,它们需要成为一种生物学才能到达那里。很好,对。嗯,让我们谈些有趣的事。我是亚当,我会,那个,你想去火星,所以我们去,去火星。对,是的。那么火星上的生活会是什么样子?你们2位都要搬过去吗?你怎么看?其实,我对火星没兴趣,我刚从那里回来。所以,哈哈,我对地球更感兴趣,想想这里正在发生什么。那么你为什么对火星如此好奇?嗯,我认为,关于火星,我想重要的是,我们应当采取最有可能让意识延续到
第 14 段
未来,什么能提高意识延续到未来的概率。我认为我们不应把意识会延续下去视为理所当然,因为我们还没有遇到任何外星人。外星人在哪里?这就是费米悖论。这是最重要的问题之一:为什么我们还没有发现任何外星人?外面那些人认为我们已经有外星人了,相信我,我会知道的。我们没有,好吧。人们问我,你去过51区。好吧,SpaceX其实有59区,它甚至更好,比51好8。所以我是我们可以采取的、可能扩大意识的范围和规模、从而让我们能更好地理解宇宙本质的一系列行动之一,其中一项行动就是成为一个多行星
第 15 段
物种,或者确保生命成为多行星生命,并不是因为我认为某件事,但这不是,这并不是从仅仅把它当作逃生舱的角度出发,也不是因为我认为地球注定毁灭,而是存在某种不可消除的概率:尽管我们怀有最好的意图,尽管我们尽力去做一切,地球仍可能发生某些事情。在某个时刻,存在这样的概率:某种外力或某种内部的非受迫性错误会导致文明毁灭,或资源匮乏、受到足够严重的损害,以至于它再也无法扩展到另一个行星。很难那样说,比如永远不会。换一种说法,这是地球45亿年历史上第一次,生命有可能扩展到地球之外
第 16 段
在此之前,这是不可能的。这扇窗口会开放多久?它可能会开放很长时间,也可能只开放很短时间。我认为我们应该,明智的做法是假定它只开放很短时间,然后,然后,然后让我们保障未来,保障意识的未来,使意识生命的光芒不会熄灭,而且我们应该尽快尝试做到这一点。这是我的看法。很好,保障地球的未来太困难了,但我们可以保障未来100年的未来。我不是那个,我钦佩你探索火星的勇气,但我非常钦佩许多人为改善地球付出的努力。把一名女性和人们送上火星很棒,但我们必须关心这7.4
第 17 段
地球上的10亿人,我们怎样才能让世界最可持续,而且我不是那么喜欢火星,因为我认为去火星很容易,当你走到山顶,走到楼外,只要1步你就到了火星,但你永远无法回来,是的,那是我在那里工作的团队,所以我讨厌去喜马拉雅山——我的意思是,当你攀登它们时,我想有一天电梯准备好后我会去那里,我会去看一看,但我认为人们应该把更多时间花在地球上,想想1/2,因为无论人类文明会延续多久,比如1分钟、200万年或多少年,但我们只有100年,所以我们无法解决未来的所有问题,但我们必须负起责任
第 18 段
对未来负责,但我们应该更多地关心怎样才能更好地享受,我的观点是,通过人工智能或AI,当人类更好地了解自己时,我们就能更好地改善水,过去200年里,人类试图更好地理解另一边的战争,更好地理解其他人,但我认为,AI让我感到兴奋的是,AI是为了理解人,理解人类的内部,地球,我听说你,你要在地球深处挖永恒,这很惊人,我想无论如何,每当我读到关于你的新闻,说你对外太空感兴趣,我看着你,怀着极大的敬意,我们需要像你这样的英雄,但我们需要更多像我们这样的英雄,在地球上努力工作,每天改善事物,这就是我想要的,当然
第 19 段
我的意思是,要说清楚,我非常支持,它听起来很棒,每周都非常支持地球,当我说,你知道,让我们成为多行星物种,或者让生命多元,扩大意识的范围和规模时,从资源角度来说,我说的是应该拿出不到地球资源的1%,用于让生命成为多行星生命,哦,让意识成为多行星意识。所以,你知道,我认为它应该介于我们花在口红上的钱和花在医疗保健上的钱之间,比如,你知道,对于意识的保存,我们也许应该比花在化妆品上的钱稍微多花一点,那是我的,你知道,而且我支持化妆品,我喜欢,很好,但但是,你知道,这可能值得花,我不知道,一些,比如至少
第 20 段
地球GDP的0.5%,用于将生命延伸为多行星生命,也许1%,我会说这似乎是对资源的一种良好、良好的利用,而且但在98,你知道,我们有像朝着数量级更多的资源花在地球上,所以这并不像是,你知道,如果大约只把两者资源的1%用于那件事,就会以某种方式从根本上损害地球,这应该足以让生命成为多行星生命,似乎是对未来的一项明智投资,而且显然我把大量时间花在Tesla的可持续能源上,用在,你知道,电动汽车、太阳能和电池以及诸如此类的东西上,而且我非常兴奋能来到上海,参加上海超级工厂,这个,我认为Tesla中国团队做得非常出色,真的令人震撼,比如我简直惊叹于
第 21 段
这项工作做得多么好,取得了多大的进展,而且我认为这对世界来说是一个好故事,就是说,比如看看,看看你能在中国取得多大的进展,这令人极为印象深刻,比如我向你们脱帽致敬,你知道,你们太棒了,所以完全坦率地说,我这辈子从未见过任何事情这么快,我见过一些疯狂的事情,所以,你知道,我觉得,我真的认为中国就是未来,嗯,那非常令人印象深刻,而且中国的创业火箭公司也取得了一些重大进展,我相信已经进入了轨道,那非常困难,进入轨道非常难,实现入轨,我非常敬佩,非常难,是的,再选一个话题,当然,是的,工作,工作,工作,或者生活,工作,当然,任何事,当然,那么会创造出什么新工作
第 22 段
因为AI,还是这种变化已经说出来了,你怎么看,我想我们为什么需要那么多工作,哈哈哈,对吧,我的观点是,实际上每次技术革命,人们都会开始担忧,对吧,过去200年里,我们担心新技术会夺走所有工作,实际上我们创造了很多工作,第2,因为工业革命,工作创造了很多工作,我认为,未来20 30年里,人类会活得久得多,生命科学技术会让人们可能活到100岁、120岁,那也许不是件好事,因为你会有祖父的祖父仍在努力工作,但挑战是,我的问题是,为什么我们应该有很多工作,我认为人们应该每周工作3天,每天4小时
第 23 段
一天。当我们有了电,电力的力量在于我们让人们拥有更多时间,所以你可以去领子,好吧,晚上你可以去参加舞会,所以人们因为电而拥有更多时间,我认为因为人工智能,人们会有更多时间享受作为人类,在你的一生中,在我的一生中,我想我访问了这些问题,300个城市,在我的一生中,我的图表,我父亲访问过30个城市,我祖父只会访问3个城市,所以我的孙辈获利可能会访问3000个城市,始终活着,他总是在Tesla上,总是在机器人上,总是四处旅行,所以我认为那时我们不需要很多工作,我们需要的工作是让人们更快乐,让人们是生活享受
第 24 段
人类,所以我并不太担心工作岗位。首先,我们会热爱工作;其次,我们不需要很多工作;第三,有一件非常有趣的事,因为我们可能会谈到寿命,在农业时期,平均年龄大约是3035岁;在工业时期、技术革命时期,人们可以活到70岁;所以在人工智能时期,我认为人们可以活100到……年。现在问题来了,当人们的生活变得更好时,人们就不想要孩子。当曾祖父还在那里时,你不想要孩子。到那时,我们将有很多工作,却没有人想做。所以我们需要人工智能、机器人来照顾老人。你肯定会
第 25 段
不开心,或者你会开心,因为当你的曾祖父说,我明天还得工作,那就是一场灾难。所以我认为我们无法预测未来,但我们应该做好准备,我们将进入一个人人都能活到120岁的领域,而我们会有更多新的问题出现。所以这就是我对工作的看法,不必担心。嗯,你会有工作的。是的,我,我认为,是的,随着时间推移,AI会让工作变得有点毫无意义。可能最后剩下的工作会是编写AI软件,然后最终AI会自己编写软件。所以我不知道,我想我会建议学习工程学、物理学之类的东西,或者从事一些人们就是想与其他人互动的工作
第 26 段
而且人们从根本上享受与其他人互动。所以,如果你从事涉及人或工程的工作,这可能是一种不错的做法。当然还有艺术。是的,就像我说的,我认为我们必须弄清楚这个Neuralink的问题,否则我们就会被落在后面。我们迅速做这件事非常重要。我认为时间……我们没有太多时间。我们在什么之前没有太多时间?我们没有太多时间来解决Neuralink。对,对,对。任何像技术、像技术和技术认知这样的东西,就像是……如果它像一张技术认知的拓扑地图,那么它大部分是平坦的,有几栋矮小的建筑,然后有一些非常高的尖塔,非常高的尖塔,而除非你就在那座非常高的尖塔上,否则
第 27 段
拓扑结构是什么并不明显。是的,我从不担心那些我解决不了的事情。我留给其他人去解决。如果没人能解决,就随它去吧。这就是我的生活。哦,我们来谈谈教育。我对教育相当感兴趣。可以吗?那么,为掌握未来,哪些知识或技能会有用?对于想从事AI职业的年轻专业人士,你有什么恶习吗?年轻专业人士?我认为未来不会有AI专业人士。嗯,我非常担心人们担心工作,但我担心的是教育。所有的教育体系、我们教给孩子的东西、我们教育孩子的方式,主要都是为工业时期设计的,而且我确信未来机器会比人类聪明得多
第 28 段
人类怎样才能做得更好?人类应该更聪明,人类应该更有智慧。那么我们人类怎样才能更有智慧、更聪明?我认为我们应该改变教育方式,改变所教的东西,因为在过去,我们非常注重,你知道,记住东西。计算机比你记得更好。我们想计算得更快,计算机可以重复……可以演算得更快。我们想跑得更快,计算机可以比你跑得快得多。所以人类应该通过变得更有创造力、更有建设性来获得信心。那么我们怎样才能教孩子变得更有创造力和建设性?我认为这是教育的关键。我想花更多时间训练孩子,或者艺术、绘画、观看、舞蹈,你知道,所有这些都是创造性的
第 29 段
事物,让人们活得像人类一样。不要担心机器。我们当然应该明白一件事:人永远无法制造另一个人。计算机就是计算机,计算机只是一个玩具。人连一只蚊子都造不出来。所以我们应该有信心。计算机只有芯片,人有心。智慧来自心灵。所以我认为,在未来10或20年里,人类,或者每个国家、每个政府,都应该专注于改革教育体系,确保我们的孩子未来能够找到工作,能够过上一种每周只工作3天、每天4小时的生活,这非常重要。如果我们不改变我们身处其中的教育体系,我们所有人都会陷入麻烦。这就是我的看法,而且不要担心
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它,我们会改变它。对,对。努力尽可能多地学习那些能让你预测未来或创造未来的东西。可以说,预测未来的最佳方式就是创造未来。然后评估你所学的东西是否让你能以更小的误差预测未来。你是不是错得更少了?我们所有人在某种程度上总是错的,但你能否减少对未来预测的误差?我认为这就是看待教育的方式,当然,但我们都在创造,创造未来并预测未来。所以这包括艺术和所有其他那些东西,但要闭合这个环路,让自己在未来方面错得更少。所以这才是思考教育的正确方式。我的意思是,未来有了Neuralink,你,你可以直接上传任何科目
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立刻,所以我们就像《黑客帝国》,你想驾驶直升机,没问题。哦,直升机会自动飞行,但你知道,如果你想做任何事情、掌握任何一项特定技能,你只要立刻上传它。我的意思是,现在的教育运作方式带宽极低,速度极慢,讲座真的是最糟糕的,就像非常慢。是的,只要试着以更小的误差预测未来,这就是核心。这非常难,正如你所说,我不确定是99.
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9%,但总体而言,对未来的预测并不是很好,不过我认为人们往往根本不去尝试。第一件事是尝试,如果你不尝试,好吧,你知道,明白了,你必须尝试,然后再根据你之前预测的误差进行调整。是的,我认为只是去尝试就非常好。我们应该始终有信心去尝试未来,而我从不担心错误和失误。错误和失误是人类生活以及人类最好的资产。我认为,当人们担心人工智能将会带来的灾难时,我认为那不是灾难,而是人类要犯的错误,并且相信人类将能够纠正错误、改善自己,而我们需要教育,这就是我们现在的想法。
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今天的中国,我们每年有1800个新生婴儿出生,这、这还不够,我们需要、我们需要比这多得多。但我认为,人类最好的资源,或者地球上最好的资源,不是海岸,不是石油,不是电力,它、它是人脑。我们怎样才能让人类伟大的大脑更有创造力、更具建设性?我们怎样才能确保机器始终是人类的玩具和工具,而不是控制者?所以我这一生从来没有,特别是在过去2年里,人们谈到AI,说人类、人类将被机器控制,我从来不这么认为。我认为这、这、这、这是不可能的,对吧,这是不可能的,因为、因为人类是不一样的,机器是人类发明的。
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而且根据体型,人类永远无法创造另一种聪明的动物,而人类,尤其是在你拥有这么多聪明人的地方,不可能制造另一个聪明人。我非常不同意这一点。好吧。是的,那很好。是的,我的意思是,你首先应该假定我们非常愚蠢,而我们可以、我们绝对可以制造出比自己更聪明的东西。我的意思是,那、以前并没有人类,对吧?所以,那个、我们最早的文明非常原始,我们其实没有任何技术。我们就像四处奔跑,你知道,努力不被吃掉,或者只想熬过一个冬天。现在我们有了供暖,还种植食物。这些都是新事物。所以,你知道,事物显然已经比过去聪明得多、聪明得多。
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更聪明,所以这种情况将继续下去。我们不是进化的最后一步。所以最重要的事情,就像我说的,最重要的是,我看到聪明人犯的错误,就是假定他们很聪明。他们并不聪明。那么给我举个例子,人类制造的什么动物或东西是聪明的?人类。嗯,计算机其实已经在很多维度上比人聪明得多。我们只是在不断移动门柱。所以我们过去认为,例如,擅长下国际象棋是聪明人的一个例子,然后卡斯帕罗夫在97年被深蓝彻底击败。那是很久以前了,22年。我的意思是,现在你的手机都能彻底击败国际象棋世界冠军,确实如此。围棋过去被认为是人类比……更擅长的东西。
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计算机,然后丽莎·达尔被 Alpha Zero 击败,为了,在1之前,随后是新版的 Alpha Zero。哦,我应该说 AlphaGo,AlphaGo 击败了至少全部,为1。然后有 Alpha 0,Alpha Zero 以100比0彻底击败了 AlphaGo。现在这已经毫无意义,因为它只是在不断和自己对弈。人类试图和计算机下围棋,就像试图和宙斯战斗一样,这是行不通的。你毫无希望。我们毫无希望,在渲染方面完全能力不足。我认为,基本上,在智力追求中人类胜过计算机的领域只剩下越来越小的一个角落,而且每年都变得越来越小,很快我们将在每一个方面都被远远超越,这是必然的,或者是文明性的,而那些是2种可能。好吧。
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是的,我的看法是,计算机可能比人类机灵得多、更聪明。是的,每个,不是机灵,这非常学术化。机灵由知识驱动,聪明由经验驱动。计算机很聪明、很机灵,但它是人类,我们发明了计算机。我从未见过计算机发明人类。这是我的第1点。第2点是,关于围棋、下国际象棋,同计算机比赛下围棋是愚蠢的,就像100年前人类创造了汽车,于是人类说我可以跑得比汽车快,这是不可能的。只有愚蠢的人才会和汽车比谁跑得更快。围棋是为人与人对弈而设计的,对吧,国际象棋是为人与人而设计的。为什么人类要与计算机对抗?所以我从来、绝不会李下国际象棋或围棋。
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和电脑下棋,我会很高兴看到2台电脑互相较量。我对和国际象棋下高尔夫不感兴趣,所以我告诉那些人,他们非常伤心,电脑会很聪明,他们是人类,因为电脑不能把国际象棋下得更好。我认为你去和它竞争是愚蠢的,别那么做。所以这就是我们一直在做的事,我们做自己擅长的事情。当然。好吧,那么有什么事情是人类比电脑做得更好的例子吗?然后让我们看看这是否会发生。嗯,人类……电脑只是人类创造的1种聪明工具,而电脑对我们来说是聪明的,但人类还会创造更多比电脑聪明得多的工具。这是我的看法。好吧,让我告诉你,我对AI的看法本质上是,你可以把它的进步看作
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AI的发展是在用越来越多的自由度、随着自由度的增加来解决问题。所以,那个、自由度最多、最多的东西是什么,那个东西就是现实,但AI在不断进步,解决拥有越来越多自由度的问题。所以显然,像西洋跳棋这样的东西非常容易解决,那个、那个我们可以用、用传统软件、传统计算来解决,实际上并没有那么大的挑战性。事实上,西洋跳棋存在一个完整解,这意味着它确实、确实不可能……西洋跳棋的每一种、每一种变化都是已知的。然后、然后是国际象棋,它也、也比西洋跳棋拥有多得多、多得多的自由度,比西洋跳棋高出许多个数量级,90或更多,但我仍然确实会说
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这是一种自由度数量级较低的游戏。然后是围棋,它的自由度比、比国际象棋高出许多个数量级。所以这其实只是在逐级跨越自由度的数量级。我认为,这就是看待智能进步的方式。是的,而且、而且它真的会发展到能够以一切可能的方式完整模拟一个人的程度,事实上还能同时模拟许多人。我的意思是,显然有一种、有一种很有力的论点认为,我们现在就身处模拟之中。你知道,这让我想起那个笑话,你知道,如果、如果人生是一款电子游戏,它会得到怎样的评价?大概是,嗯,画面令人难以置信,那个情节让人困惑,重生要等很久。那是一款电子游戏,那就是
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人生。如果人生是一款电子游戏,重生需要、需要20年,令人失望……人类,并让他们拥有完整的意识。我担心出生率问题,你之前也提到过。与大多数人的想法相反,我们好像认为地球上的人口太多了,但实际上这、这是一种过时的观点。这是在假设AI没有问题,或者假设AI会带来一个仁慈的未来。我认为,20年后世界将面临的最大问题是人口崩溃,崩溃。我想强调这一点:20年后最大的问题将是人口崩溃,不是爆炸,而是崩溃。要看出20年后的世界会是什么样子非常容易,因为人类有一个20年的启动过程。所以就像你说的,好吧
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那么去年出生的是谁?好,现在你就知道20年后的世界是什么样子了。就是这么简单。我完全同意。人口问题将面临巨大挑战。1.
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中国有40亿人口,听起来很多,但我认为未来20年,我们会看到这件事给中国带来大麻烦,而且整个人口减少……人口减少的速度将会加快。现在你称它为崩溃,我其实……加速接近。那是RIC级容忍崩溃。然后常见的反驳是,那移民呢?从哪里移民,你知道。你想去斯佩,你知道,去火星,火星会移民。是的,玛瑟琳在这里,公共火星。这些人、这些人……你知道,现在那里有0个人。所以现在它是机器星球,那里只有一些机器人。这是我们应该特别关注的事情。这就是为什么中国出生的1800万新生儿,其中
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比我去的少,只有大约1%的某种东西。我们应该花更多时间创造这些人,并更好地对待生命。但关于AI,我还想到另一件事,在我的公司里,在我们公司里,我会把AI称为阿里巴巴智能,因为我们认为,对于有秩序、有逻辑的事情,机器总能做得更好,AI能做得更好。但对于没有秩序、没有逻辑的事情,人类能做得更好。例如,当你爱一个人时,通常没有理由。我就是爱他,或者就是爱她,我没有理由。但当我恨某个东西、某个人,当我想对某个东西、某个人做坏事时,其中就有逻辑,而只要有逻辑,AI就能做得更好。我们在终端融资方面所做的是,你会把坏人想做的所有坏事教给机器
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机器可以迅速学会,并立即逮捕所有坏人。但当你想做好事时,未必如此。AI意味着爱。完全正确。所以这就是为什么世界……AI,如果AI能够带来爱,也就是我过去所说的,如果你是一个成功的人,你必须具备L、EQ和IQ,对吧?未来,如果你想在这个世界上生存,就必须具备LQ,也就是爱的商数。这一点也很重要,否则你无法在人工智能时代生存。我最伟大的爱就是答案。是的,有很多关于这个的歌。你想选最后一个,请用我。先生们,时间非常有限,所以我们只剩5分钟了。请问最后一个问题。是的,我以为你想选最后的生命或人类
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成为机器,所以你想谈谈你的汽车,最终是自动驾驶,你想谈什么,这感觉就像电子游戏里的那些步骤之一,我们会像是选择一条路径作出选择,我选择生命,好吧,生命,那么你认为在人工智能助手的帮助下,人们还能活多久,人工智能能帮助实现环境可持续性吗,你能吗,嗯,我认为首先,我认为人类会解决环境可持续性问题,我并不是说可以自满,或者我们可以放松下来,事实上,这是一个自我实现的,一个实现的预言,我们必须,我们必须立即采取剧烈的行动,而且我们,你知道,我们要继续推动环境可持续性的势头,而中国实际上是这方面的世界领导者,事实上,我不确定在外界有多少人知道
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中国在环境可持续性方面是多么领先世界,这令人极其印象深刻,我的意思是,我想去年全世界一半的电动汽车都是在中国制造的,或者类似这样,所以你知道,我,所以我不是说,说可以自满,但我确实认为人类能够并且将会解决可持续性问题,如果,如果我们能做出神经蕾丝,那么我想,或者本质上的Neuralink,年龄就不会那么重要了,你可以直接保存你的状态并恢复你的状态,就像,就像保存的游戏一样,本质上是非常接近那样的东西,我确实认为,如果我们真的想,我们可以,我们可以解决生物衰老问题,你将不得不改变DNA,但显然它只是按照一个,按照一个时钟,所有,所有生物都是,我的意思是,你可以
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以一只果蝇为例,你可以让它,哟,算是让它每天做瑜伽,而且我有非常健康的饮食,而它仍然只会活3周,也许4周,所以环境因素对延长寿命而言相对次要,要延长寿命你必须改变DNA,而其他那些,比如人们会接受改变DNA吗,这就是延长寿命的,那个问题,你知道,可能人们对此有点犹豫,但这基本上就是延长寿命所需要发生的事情,你得,你得以某种方式塞住DNA时钟,我不知道我们是否应该研究这个,坦率地说,我认为,你知道,我们最终确实会死可能是一件好事,你知道,物理学里有一种说法,比如即使是物理学家,他们
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通常相当客观,也有这样的说法,就像,你知道,所有物理学家都不会改变自己的想法,他们只会死去,所以也许,你知道,存在一个,有这样的生命周期是好事。是的,嗯,我认为人工智能肯定能帮助环境暂停可持续性,而当人类更了解自己时,人类会更聪明,也会更有智慧,机灵的人与聪明的人或者有智慧的人的区别是,聪明的人知道他想要什么以及怎样得到它,有智慧的人知道他不想要什么,所以当人类使用人工智能时,他们会更了解自己,我认为会有几分钟的方式,让人们生活在健康的地球上,并保护健康的地球,我之所以想,我想留在这个地球上,我
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想在这个地球上工作,我想尽我所能帮助这个地球变得更好,因为即使去这个太空很棒,但如果我们能花费资源,只专注于帮助清理海洋中的垃圾,那件事比去火星更困难,但人工智能可以帮助我们实现这一点并解决这些问题,而第2,人类可以生活得更好,可以活得更久,但我们需要的不只是活得更久,我们想活得更健康,我们怎样才能活得更健康,就是更好地了解我们自己,大多数疾病都是由我们的行为造成的,所以我100%确定人们会活得更久,人们会活得更健康,但不一定会活得更快乐,如果你想变得更快乐,人类,你的焦点山谷,那
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愿景和使命,并且始终拥有梦想,而我不希望人们热爱技术,并把他们的梦想放在技术上,我认为技术应该与梦想同在,不是技术改变了世界,而是技术背后的梦想改变了世界,所以我的,我的希望是,我们能做任何事情来改善这条道路,帮助74亿人生活得更好、更健康,而这关乎我们的整个世界,我认为我们会非常愉快地合作,因为我喜欢你的产品Tesla,你知道,让工作更清洁,而且你在中国有一家德工厂,我认为我们需要做更多事情来改善这个地球,改善这个世界,并确保人们更快乐,人们关心家庭,人们关心
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房子,这就是我们应该做的一切,相信我们,相信人类,也相信年轻人,让我们为今天承担责任,但不要把明天的所有解决方案都夺走,人类犯错很好,人类从错误中学习很好,死去很好,谢谢,长寿,冰就像,是的,谢谢,为意识之光而战,谢谢你,你
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at Tesla and Jack Ma the co-chair of the UN high-level panel on digital cooperation this gave them a very big applaud welcome great to have both of you here with us today the session is actually much awaited we've already posted some of the key words of the questions on the big screen and later on you can just click the words you're interested in to talk about now the stage is yours what are you supposed to say just things about AI perhaps okay let's see yeah okay great yeah yeah actually I'm told that this AI mean love it looks like a name yeah I I hate the word AI called artificial intelligence I call it Alibaba intelligence yeah might might end up being true you know I think generally people underestimate the the capability of AI they sort of think
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like it's a smart human but it's it's really much it's gonna be much more than that it'll be much smarter than the smartest human maybe like you know if like can a chimpanzee really understand humans not really you know they're just we just seem like strange aliens well they mostly just care about other chimpanzees and this will be how it is more or less in a relative into impact if it's if the difference is only that small that would be amazing it probably it's much much greater so like the biggest mistake that I see artificial intelligence researchers making is assuming that they're intelligent yeah they're not compared to AI and so they cannot of them cannot imagine something smarter than themselves but AI will be vastly smarter vastly so what do you
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do with the situation like that what do you do with situation like that I'm not sure you know hope I hope they're nice I mean I have obviously some you know I think in a situation where you if you you know that old saying if you can't if you can't beat them join them you know that's what neuro-link is about is like can we go be able to go along for the ride with a I I mean I really think that there should be other companies like neuro-link essentially to create a high bandwidth interface to the brain because the right right now we are already a cyborg people don't realize we're already a sidewalk because we are so well integrated with our phones and our computers the phone is almost like an extension of yourself if you forget your phone it's like a missing
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limb but the bandwidth the communication bandwidth to the phone is very low especially input so in fact input bandwidth to computers has actually gone down because of typing with two thumbs as opposed to 10 fingers is a big reduction in bandwidth input bandwidth has gone up because of video and an imagery so input bandwidth as many orders of magnitude greater than output bandwidth that at a certain points if we'll just assume assuming a benign scenario with a I we will just be too slow you know it's like if a millisecond to something let's say a computer that has like an exaflop of or you know many extra flops of computer capability a millisecond is an eternity and to us it's nothing so you know I think I would say like human speech to a computer will
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sound like very slow tonal wheezing there's kind of like whale sounds yeah you know because what's our bandwidth like a few hundred bits per second basically maybe a few kilobits per second if you're gonna be generous so whereas a computer can easily communicate at a terabyte level so the computer will just get impatient if nothing else it would be like talking to a tree that's humans yeah and I'm not a great note barely getting any information out basically with speech yeah I'm always amazed by what your vision about the technology I'm not a tech guy I think I'm all about life I think AI is going to open a new chapter of the Society of the world that people try to understand ourselves better rather than the outside world and it's so difficult to predict
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99% of the predictions the human being had in history about the future all wrong including that one oh yeah only you know the the zero point zero zero percent of the prediction are right there right because by accident yeah but it's also true that 80% of statistics are false yeah so my meaning Lauren come on guys buddy I'm happy about the artificial intelligence or alibaba intelligence that's going to understand a human the inside of the human better so when people worry a lot about artificial intelligence people should have more confidence in themselves because I think if that lot of solutions we don't have today but there will be solutions tomorrow we don't have solutions for the young people we have solutions so I'm quite optimistic and I don't think
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artificial intelligence is a threat I don't think if fish intelligent is something terrible but human being a smart enough to learn that and to me artificial intelligence is just like people worry a lot about this today are those people I called them called called college smartness people like us street smart we never scared of that we think it's a great fun and we want to change our self to embrace it I don't know man that's like famous last words this is let me tell you AI is I mean you know it's sort of the rate of advancement just in general the rate of investment of computers is insane and like a good example would be video games you know if you go back 40 40 years ago or 50 years ago maybe yet you had pong that was just two rectangles and a square
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now you've got photorealistic real-time simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously if you assume any rate of improvement at all the I mean these games will be complete indistinguishable from reality you will not be able to tell the difference either that or civilization will end those are the two options but even if the rate of technology improvements slowed down by a thousand then okay advance a thousand years you know ten thousand years this is still very tiny I mean civilization civilization has been around for probably you know arguably I think 7000 years or something like that if you counted from the first time there was any any writing any recorded symbols besides cave paintings there's a very tiny amount of time considering the
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universe is 13.
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8 billion years old I mean if civilization lasted for a million years we would would only increment the third decimal point after 13.
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8 billion years if we lasted for a million years so I know that seems like a long time given that we've only been around for seven thousand years and it's been pretty it's been kind of a roller coaster on the civilization front so I mean I'm not trying to be I'm a naturally optimistic person to be clear I'm not saying hey doom and gloom I'm just saying the these this is the apparent pattern the the rate of change of Technology is incredibly fast it is outpacing our ability to understand it well I'm not sure is that good or bad I don't know okay I mean it seems to me some time ago that you could sort of think of humanity as a biological bootloader for digital super intelligence if you're those in order bootloader is a very tiny piece of code without which
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the the computer cannot start but it's sort of like the minimal bit of code necessary for a computer to start like you couldn't evolve silicon circuits you knew they needed to be a biology to get there good yeah well let's talk about something fun I am Adam I'd that you want to go on the Mars so we go to the the Mars yeah yes so what will the life look like on Mars are you both moving what do you think about that I actually I'm not interesting on Mars I just came back from there so haha I'm more interesting on the earth that thinks what's going on happening here so what why you're so curious about the Mars well I think the thing about Mars is that I think it's important for us to take the set of actions that are most likely to continue consciousness into
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the future what increases the probability of consciousness of continuing into the future I think we should not take it for granted that consciousness will continue because we have not encountered any aliens where are the aliens this is the Fermi paradox this is one of the most important questions how come we've not found any aliens those people out there think we've got a lian's trust me I would know we have not okay people ask me you've been to area 51 okay please SpaceX actually has area 59 it's even better eight better than 51 so I'm among the set of actions we can take that are likely to increase the scope and scale of consciousness such that we are better able to understand the nature of the universe one of those actions is to become a multi-planet
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species or ensure that life is multiplanetary not because I think something but it's not it not from from the standpoint of it just being an escape hatch or because I think that earth is doomed but there's a certain probability that is irreducible that something may happen to earth despite our best intentions despite everything we try to do the there's a probability at a certain point that some either external force or some internal unforced error causes civilization to be destroyed or source poor sufficiently impaired such that it can no longer extend to another planet it's hard to say it like that like never put another way this is the first time in the four-and-a-half billion year history of Earth that it's been possible to extend life beyond Earth
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before this it was not possible how long will this window be open it may be open for a long time or it may be open for a short time I think we should it would be wise to assume that it is open for a short time and and and then let us secure the future secure the future of consciousness such that life of the lights of consciousness is not extinguished and we should you try to do this as quickly as possible that's my view good it's so difficult to secure the future of the earth but we can secure the future of next 100 years I am not the person that I admire your courage for explore the Mars but I admire a lot of people spend efforts on improving the earth it's it's great to send a woman and people to the Mars but we have to care about the seven point four
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billion people on the earth how can we make the world's most sustainable and I'm not that fan of the Mars because I think it's easy to go to the Mars when you go on the top of the hills all the out of the building just a one step you go to Mars but you will never be able to come back yeah that's my team that works there and so I hate to go to the Himalayas - I mean when you climb on them I think someday I will go there when the elevator is ready I would go to have a look but I think people spending more time on the earth think about 1/2 because no matter how long the civilization of the human beings would be like one minute or two million or have many years but we only have 100 years so we cannot solve all the problems for future but we have to be responsible
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for the future but we should care more about how we can enjoy better my view is that by the artificial intelligence or AI when human being understand ourselves better then we can improve the water better last 200 years human being tried to understand the other side war better understand the other people better but I think what I feel excited about a ai is AI is to understand people the inside of the human beings the earth I heard you you're gonna dig eternal in deep in the earth which is amazing I think anyhow every time when I read the news about you are interesting the outside space I look at you it's a great respect we need a heroes like a you but we need more heroes like us working hard on the earth improving things every day that's what I want sure
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I mean to be clear I'm very Provos it sounds great weekly are very Pro Earth when I say you know us becoming a multi-planet species or making life multi expanding the scope and scale of consciousness from a resource standpoint I'm talking about less than 1% of Earth's resources should be dedicated to making life multiplanetary Oh making consciousness multiplanetary so you know I think it should be like somewhere in between how much we spend on lipstick and how much we spend on health care like you know things like for the preservation of consciousness we should spend maybe slightly more than we spend on on cosmetics that's my you know and I'm Pro cosmetics I like that great but but you know this probably worth spending I don't know some like at least
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half a percent of Earth GDP on extending life to be multiplanetary maybe 1% I'd say seems like a good a good use of resources and but in 98 you know we have like towards magnitude more resources spent on earth so it's not like it's you know somehow gonna fundamentally impair earth if likes are just 1% of both resources on that order should be enough to make life multiplanetary seems like a wise investment for the future and obviously I spend a lot of my time on sustainable energy with Tesla with you know electric cars and solar and batteries and that kind of thing and I'm really excited to be here in Shanghai for the the Shanghai Giga factory which is I think that Tesla China team has done an amazing job really mind-blowing like I've just astounded by
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how good the job is and how much progress has been made and I think it's a good story for the world and to say like look look how much progress you can make in China this is extremely impressive like my hat is off you know you guys Rock so I've never seen anything but so fast in my life before to be totally Frank I've seen some crazy things so you know I think it's like I really think China is the future well that's very impressive and there's also some great progress on entrepreneurial rocket companies in China as well I believe to have made orbit it was very difficult very hard to make orbit achieving orbit I have great respect very hard yeah pick up another topic sure yeah job jobs jobs or life jobs sure anything sure so what new jobs will be created
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because of AI or has the change already stated what do you think I think why we needed that many jobs hahaha right my view is that the jobs actually every technology revolution people start to worry right last 200 years we worry about the new technology gonna take away all the jobs actually we made a lot of jobs second because of the Industrial Revolution job create a lot of jobs what I think is the next 20 30 years human being will live much longer the live science technology is gonna make people live probably a hundred a hundred twenty years that may not be a good thing because you get a grandfather's grandfather still working hard but the challenge is my question why should we have a lot of jobs I think people should work three days a week four hours
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a day when we have electricity the power of electricity is that we make people more time so you can go to the collar ok in the evening you can go to dancing party in the evening so people because of electricity people have more time I think because of artificial intelligence people will have more time enjoy being human beings in your life in my life I think I visit the problems 300 cities in my life my graph my father visited 30 cities my grandfather will visit only three cities so my grandchildren profit probably will visit the three thousand cities always alive he's always on the Tesla is always on the robots always traveling around so I don't think we need a lot of jobs at that time the jobs we need is make people happier make people is the life enjoy
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the human beings so I don't worry about the job jobs a lot first we're gonna have love jobs second we don't need a lot of jobs third there's a very interesting thing which because we will probably talk about life in the agriculture period average age is like a 3035 years old in the industry period technology revolution people can live 70 years so in the artificial intelligent period people can live a hundred to the years as I think now the problem comes when people's life is getting better people don't want to have children where a grand grandfather is there you don't want have a children at that time we are going to have a lot of jobs with nobody want to do it so we need artificial intelligence the robots to take care of the old guys for sure you will
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not be happy or you were happy because when your grand grandfather said all I need to work tomorrow then that's a disaster so I think we cannot predict the future but we should be ready that we are going to enter into the area that everybody can live 120 years and we have a new more new problems that come up so that's my view about jobs don't worry about it well you will have jobs yeah I I think the yeah over time a I will make jobs kind of work pointless probably the last job that will remain will be doing writing AI software and then eventually the AI will just write its own software so I don't know I suppose I would recommend studying engineering physics that kind of thing or working on something where people just want to interact with other people
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and people enjoy fundamentally interacting with other people so if you're working on something that involves people or engineering it's probably a good approach you know art of course yeah like I said I think we're gonna have to figure out this neural link situation otherwise we will be left behind it's very important we do this quickly I think time we don't have much time we don't have much time before what we don't have much time to solve the neural link yeah yeah yeah anything like technology like technology and technology awareness there's like it's like if it was like a topological map of technology awareness it's mostly flat with a few short buildings and then some very tall spires very tall spires and unless you're on that very tall spire it's
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not obvious what the topology is yeah I never worry about the things that I cannot solve I left other people to solve it if nobody can solve it just let it be that's my life oh let's talk about education I'm of quite an interesting about education can we yeah so what knowledge or skills will be useful to master the future do you have any vice for young professionals who want to pursue a career in AI young professionals I don't think we will have professionals on AI in the future well I worry a lot about people worried about jobs but I worry about education all the education systems the things we teach our kids the way we teach our kids are mainly designed for the industry period and I'm sure the Machine will be much cleverer than human beings in the future
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how can human being do better human beings shall be smarter human be shall be wiser so how can we be human beings to be wiser a smarter I think that we should change the way of Education change the things because in the in the past we focus a lot about you know remember things computer can remember better than you are we want to calculate the faster computer can rep can calculus faster we want to run faster computer can run much faster than you are so human beings should have confidence by being more creative more constructive so how can we teach our kids to be more creative and constructive and I think this is the key of the education and I want spend more time on training kids or arts on painting on seeing on dancing you know all these are the creative
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things that make people live like a humans don't worry about machines for sure we should understand one thing that men can never make another men computer is a computer computer is just a toy man cannot even make a mosquito so we should have a confidence computer only have chips men have the heart it's the heart where the wisdom comes from so I think in the next 10 or 20 years human beings or every country every government should focus on reform the education system making sure our kids be able to find jobs in the future being able to live in a life that only working three days a week four hours a day and that is very important if we do not change the education system that we are in we are all in going to being trouble that's my view and don't worry about
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it we will change it yeah yeah try learn as much as much as possible that allows you to predict the future or make the future say the thing is the best way to predict the future is to make it just and then assess whether what you are learning is enabling you to predict the future with less error are you less wrong we're all always wrong to some degree but can you reduce the error on your future predictions I think that's the way to look at education as of course but we're both creative create the future and predict the future so that includes art and all those other things but close the loop on being less wrong about future so that's the work right way to think about education I mean down the road with the neuro-link you you can just upload any subject
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instantly so we like the matrix you want to fly a helicopter no problem Oh helicopters will fly themselves but you know if you wanted to do whatever any any given skill you just upload it to instantly I mean the way education works right now it's extremely low bandwidth it's extremely slow lectures are the worst really it's like very slow yeah just try to predict the future with less error this is the heart this is very hard as you were saying I'm not sure it's 99.
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9 percent but it's it's not very good generally a prediction of the future but I think often people don't try it the first thing is try if you don't try okay you know got it you gotta try and then and then adjust based on the error of your prior predictions yeah I think just to try is very good we should always have the confidence to try the future and I never worry about the errors and mistakes errors and mistakes that are the best assets of human lives and humans I think that when people worry about the disasters that AI is gonna bringing I think it's not the disasters it's the mistakes that human beings to make and trust human beings will be able to correct the mistakes and improve themselves and that we need education and this is what we think now
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China today we have 1800 new babies born every year which which is not enough we need we need to have like much more than that but I think the best resources of the human beings on the or the best resources on the earth are not the coast not the oil not the electricity it's it's the human brains how can we make the human great brains more creative constructive how can we making sure that the machines are always the toys and tools of humans rather than the control so I'm never in my life and especially last two years where people talk about at AI say human human being will be controlled by machines I never think about it I think it's it's it's it's impossible right it's impossible because because human beings they are different machines invented by human
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beings and according to the size humans can never create another animal that is smart and humans especially where you have so many smart people it's impossible to make another smart people I very much disagree with that ok yeah that's good yeah I mean the first thing you should assume is that we are very dumb and we could we can definitely make things smarter than ourselves I mean the they didn't used to be humans right so the then the our earliest civilization was very primitive we didn't have any technology really we're just like running around you know trying to not get eaten or just want to survive a winter now we have like heating and we grow food this is all new stuff so you know things that have obviously gotten way more smarter than the past way
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smarter so that's going to continue we're not the last step in evolution so the most important thing like I said the most important was the mistake I see smart people making is assuming that they're smart they're not so give me example what the animals or things that a human being made that is smart a human beings well computers actually are already much smarter than people on so many dimensions we just keep moving the goal posts so we used to think like for example being good at chess was an example of a smart human and then Kasparov was crushed by deep blue in 97 that was a long time ago 22 years I mean right now your cell phone could crush the world champion of chess literally go used to be thought of as something that's humans were better at than
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computers then Lisa Dahl was beaten for before 1 by alpha zero then a new version of alpha zero o icer should say alphago alphago beat at least at all for one then there's alpha 0 alpha zero crushed alphago hundred to zero now it's just pointless because it just keeps playing itself humans are trying to play a computer go is like trying to fight Zeus it's a not going to work a you hopeless we're hopeless hopelessly inadequate in terms of rendering and I think that basically there's just a smaller and smaller corner of what intellectual pursuits that humans are better than computers and that every year it gets smaller and smaller and and soon we will be far far surpassed in every single way guaranteed or civilizational and those the two possibilities okay
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yeah my view is that computer may be clever by human being a much smarter yeah every not clever this very academic is knowledge driven smarter is experience driven computer is smart is clever but it's human being we invented a computer I never see a computer invented a human being this is my first point second point is that about a go play chess it's stupid to compete with a computer on play goal just like a hundred years ago where human being created cars so human being said I can run faster than a car it's impossible it's only stupid people to compete with a car who'll run faster go is designed for human to play with human right the chess is designed for human to human why should a human to fight against a computer so I never ever Li play chess or go
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with computer I'll be happy to see two computers fight each other I'm not interested in play golf with chess so I told those guys they are very sad computer will be smart they're human beings because computer can't play chess better I think you are stupid to compete with that don't do that so this is we always do things we are good at sure okay well what be an example of something that humans are better than a computer at and and then let's see if that happens well humans computer is only one of the clever tools that human created and computers us a clever but there will be more tools that human beings will created much cleverer than computers that's my view okay well let me tell you like my view on the on AI is essentially the you can view the advancement
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of AI as solving things with increasing numbers of degrees of with the increasing degrees of freedom so the the thing that what the thing with the most most degrees of freedom is reality but AI is steadily advanced solving things that have more and more degrees of freedom so obviously it's something like like checkers was very easy to solve that that we could solve with with classical software classical computing not really all that challenging and in fact there is a complete solution for checkers meaning it is literally literally impossible every every version of checkers is known and then then there's chess which was also was also it had many many more degrees of freedom than checkers many orders 90 or more than checkers but still really I would say
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a low order of magnitude lower degree of freedom game then there's go which had many orders of magnitude more degrees of freedom than than chess so it's really just stepping through orders of magnitude of degrees of freedom this is the way to I think view the advancement of intelligence yeah it and and it's really gonna get to the point where it just can completely simulate a person in every way possible like many people simultaneously in fact I mean obviously there's a there's a strong argument we're in a simulation right now you know so reminds you that joke of like you know if if life was a video game what would be the review it's like well the graphics are incredible that the plot is confusing the respawn takes a long time that's a video game that's
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life and if life is a video game respawned take takes 20 years disappointing human being and have them be fully conscious I'm worried about the birth rate which which you alluded to earlier the the contrary to like most people think we we have like too many people on the planet but actually this is this is an outdated view this is the assuming that AI is fine or assuming that AI is a there's a benevolent future with AI I think that the biggest problem the world will face in 20 years is population collapse collapse I want to emphasize this the biggest issue in 20 years we'll be population collapse not explosion collapse the it's very easy to see what the world will look like in 20 years because humans have a 20 year boot sequence so like you said okay
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well who is born last year okay now you know what the world look like in 20 years it's that easy I absolutely agree with that the the population problem is going to be facing huge challenge 1.
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4 billion people in China it sounds a lot but I think next 20 years we'll see this thing will bring big trouble to China and the population decreasing of the whole the speed of population decreasing is gonna speed up now you call it collapse I actually accelerating close that's the RIC class tolerating collapse and then the commoner rebuttal is like well what about immigration like from where you know you want to go to spay you know the Mars and Mars will emigrate yeah Marceline's here public mars these people these people you know there's no zero people there right now so right now it's the Machine planet there's only some robots there this is something that we should pay special attention that's why the the 18 million new babies born in China which
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was less than I go only like 1% of something we should spend more time to create these people and treat life better but also I think about AI there's another thing which alone I in my company in our company a I would call Alibaba intelligent because we think when things with order with things with logic machine can't always do better hey I can do better but if things with an order without logic human being can do better for example when you love somebody there's no reason normally I just love him or just love her I have no reason but when I hate something body when I want to do bad things on something somebody there's a logic and with when there's a logic hey I can do better what we do on our end financing we you would teach machine all the bad things
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that bad guys want to do machine can learn quickly and arrest all the bad guys immediately but when you want to do good things not necessarily AI means love that's absolutely right so that is why the world the AI if the way I can bring love which I caught in the past if you have the successful person you have to be L and EQ and IQ right in the future if you want to survive in this world you have to be the L Q the Q of love that's important too otherwise you cannot survive in artificial intelligence time my greatest love is the answer yeah many songs about that you want to pick up the final one use me gentlemen teach the time is very limited so we only have five minutes left so last question please yeah I thought you want to pick up the last life or human
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being machines so you want to talk about your cars ultimately autonomy what do you want to talk this feels like one of those steps in a video game we would like pick a path to choice I choose life okay life so how much longer do you think people can live for with the helper a I can a I help with environment sustainability can you well I think first of all I think humans will solve environmental sustainability I do not mean to suggest complacency or that we just take it easy in fact this is a self fulfilling one fulfilling prophecy we must we must take immediate and traumatic action and we you know we and continue the momentum towards environmental sustainability and China is actually the world leader in this in fact I'm not sure how well it is known outside
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of China just how much China is a world leader in environmental sustainability it's extremely impressive I mean I think half of all the electric cars in the world were made in China last year or something like that so you know I so I don't mean to suggest suggest complacency but I do think humans can and will solve sustainability if if we can if we can do the neural lace then I think or the neural link essentially the age will not matter that much you can simply save your state and restore your state like just like a saved game essentially something very close to that I do think we can we can solve biological aging if we really want it to you would have to make DNA changes but it's obviously just on a on a clock all all organisms are I mean you could
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take a fruit fly for example and you could give it yo to sort of have it to daily yoga and I have a very healthy diet and it's still gonna live for three weeks maybe four weeks so environmental factors are a relatively minor for extending life you have to change the DNA and those other like will people be okay with changing the DNA that's the the thing about extending life you know and probably people are a little reticent about that but that's essentially the thing that needs to occur to extend life you've got you've got to stuff the DNA clock somehow I don't know if we should work on this or not I think frankly you know it's it's probably a good thing that we do eventually die you know there's a saying like in physics like even physicists which are
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generally quite objective is like saying like you know all physicists don't change their mind they just die so then maybe you know there's a it's good to have this life cycle yeah well I think AI can definitely help the environment suspend sustainability and when human beings know themselves better human being will be smarter and will be wiser the difference between clever people and smart people or wise people smart people knows what he wants and how he can get it wise people know what he doesn't want so when human beings using artificial intelligence they will understand themselves better and I think there will be a minutes of ways people will live in a healthy earth and protect the healthy earth the reason why I want I want to stay in this earth I
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want to work on this earth I want to do anything I can to help this earth to better because even in a go to this space is great but if we can spend at resources just to focus on helping pick up the garbage from the oceans that thing is more difficult than to go to the Mars but artificial intelligence can help us achieving that and solve the problems and the second a human being can live better can live longer but what we need is not only lived longer we want to live healthier how can we live healthier it's to understand us better most of the disease are caused by our behavior so I think I'm 100 percent sure people will live longer people will live healthier but may not necessarily live happier if you want to be happier human beings your focus Valley the
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vision and the mission and always have the dreams and I don't want people love to technology and put them dreams on the technology I think the technology should be with dreams it's the not technology change of the world is the dreams behind the technology that changed the world so my my hope is that anything we can do to improve this road to helping seven point four billion people live better and live healthier and this is all about our world and I think we will be working very happily because I love your product Tesla you know making work cleaner and you have a de Factory in China and I think we need to do more things to improve this earth improve this world and make sure that people are happier and people care about the family people care about the
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house that's all we should do and trust us trust a human beings and trust young people let's take responsibility for today but let's not take away all the solutions for tomorrow it's great human being make mistakes it's great human being learn from mistakes it's great to die thank you live long ice is like yeah thank you fight for the light of consciousness thank you you