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获评 2021 年度人物后,与《时代》主编就财富、电动汽车、SpaceX 及其前景展望展开对话。
Conversation with TIME's Editor-in-Chief after being named 2021 Person of the Year, on wealth, EVs, SpaceX and his outlook.
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火箭和汽车哪个更重要,实际上这是个很好的第一个问题,嗯,我想,呃,我想它们都很重要,嗯,我想我的事业是火星和汽车,汽车和汽车,嗯,所以,你知道,我认为我们需要向可持续能源转型,并成为一个太空之春文明,从太空开始,嗯,你为什么还没有,呃,去过,你知道,贝索斯上去了,布兰森上去了,你想上去吗,那在你 22 年的待办事项清单上吗,或者你自己是怎么看这件事的,我,我可能,我会在某个时候上去,嗯,但,我的意思是,有一种不同寻常的哲学,呃,我渴望以此指导自己的行动,而,呃,那就是采取一系列能将未来美好的概率最大化的行动,嗯,并且希望不要用善意铺满整条通往地狱的路
第 2 段
所以,呃,你知道,SpaceX 是太空的重点,SpaceX 的目标是帮助人类成为太空之春文明,并最终成为多行星物种,从而扩大意识的范围和规模,并最终更好地理解该对答案提出哪些问题,而答案就是宇宙,转到 Tesla 和自动驾驶系统、自动驾驶背景下的风险,我的意思是,嗯,我们的一家竞争对手本周末对此发表了一篇长文,说这件事并没有被完全想清楚,而且,你知道,回到风险,你怎么考虑,显然这也不是零风险,你正在那个领域开辟道路,自动驾驶就是,它在创新方面极其重要,因为人们花费,嗯,每周数小时、许多个小时,最终,你知道,呃,你知道,许多个月
第 3 段
的生命大概都在,在汽车里以及堵在路上,而且,嗯,然后有很多人死于按顺序事故,所以全世界每年大约有 100 万起汽车汽油,呃,其中绝大多数是由驾驶员失误造成的,所以,嗯,而且,呃,所以如果我们能实现自动驾驶,那就有可能解决,你知道,每年挽救大约 100 万条生命,而且每年大约有 1000 万起造成永久性伤害的严重事故,所以这属于那种,嗯,你知道,你未必会因为你挽救的生命而得到奖励,但你肯定会因为你没有挽救的生命而受到指责,嗯,所以,而且我的意思是,有一个,曾经有一个,你知道,某件事,抱歉,某个人一开始对我说
第 4 段
在我们追求自动驾驶的时候,呃,他说,他说,你知道,即使你,嗯,挽救了他们 90% 的生命,但温度你不说我们会起诉你,很多人担心,呃,民主、民主的未来、民主的状况,其中一部分与硅谷有关,我们有民主吗,嗯,我不知道,是的,我的问题是,你担心这里的民主吗,好吧,从这里开始,这些事情进展得还可以,从大局来看,你知道,嗯,抱怨很容易,但我的意思是,事实是,呃,这是人类历史上最繁荣的时期,所以,嗯,但人们的期望总是会根据,你知道,就像不管情况变得多好,人们的期望总会,嗯,以某种方式重新校准以适应现状
第 5 段
但你知道,如果我们退一步说,好吧,历史上真的有某个时期是你更愿意身处其中的吗,嗯,而且,顺便问一下,你真的读过历史吗,并不美好,所以,所以我认为,你知道,我们应该,我想或许,嗯,对现状感到比人们有时表现出来的更满意
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what's more important rockets or cars actually that's a good first question well i guess uh i guess they're both important um i guess my career is mars and cars cars and cars um so you know i think we need to transition to sustainable energy and become a space spring civilization starting with space um why haven't you uh gone you know bezos went up branson went up do you want to go off is that on your to-do list in 22 or how do you think about that yourself i i'm i might i will go up at some point um but the i mean there is an unlike philosophy uh that uh by which i aspire to guide my actions and uh that is to take the set of actions that maximize the probability that the future is good um and hopefully not pave the whole the road to hell with good intentions
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so uh the you know spacex is the point of space spacex is to help make humanity a space spring civilization and ultimately a multi-planet species so as to expand the scope and scale of consciousness and ultimately better understand what questions to ask about the answer which is the universe switching to risk in the context of tesla and autopilot auto driving i mean um and one of our competitors had a big piece on that this weekend that it's not all the way thought through and it's you know back to risk how do you think about obviously that's not zero risk either you're you're paving the way in that area autonomy is just it's incredibly important in innovation because people spend um hours of many hours a week ultimately you know uh you know many months
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of their lives probably in in cars and stuck in traffic and um and then there's a lot of people that die in order accidents so worldwide there's um about a million automotive gas per year uh so uh the vast majority of which are due to driver error so um and uh so if we can have autonomy that that would potentially solve you know save on the order of a million lives per year and there's about 10 million serious accidents where there's a permanent injury per year so it's one of those things where um you know you're not going to get uh rewarded for necessarily for the for the lives that you save but you will definitely be blamed for lives that you don't save um so and i mean there's a there was a you know something sorry something somebody said to me beginning
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of when we're pursuing autonomy uh said that he said that you know even if you um save ninety percent of their lives but temperature you don't say we're gonna sue you a lot of people are worried about uh democracy the future of democracy the state of democracy part of that's tied to silicon valley we have democracy well i don't know yeah are you my question is are you worried about democracy here okay start here these things are going okay in the grand scheme of things you know um it's easy to complain but i mean the fact of the matter is uh this is the most prosperous time in human history so um but people's expectations always adjust to the you know like however good things get people's expectations will always um kind of recalibrate to how things are
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but you know if we stand back and say like okay is there really some point in history would you where you'd rather be um and and by the way have you actually read history it wasn't great so so i think you know we should be i think probably um happier with the way things are than maybe sometimes people are