拿那个水，那是水，我是说那边，但你尝起来像水，不过你最喜欢的饮料是，嗯，我是说，健怡可乐不错，那东西里是不是放了什么东西，让你知道，不知道为什么你永远都不会厌倦它，你知道，我觉得那是某种邪门的成分。你一天喝多少罐，你的一瓶——嗯，我是说，我这些天正努力减少，所以也许呃远离，我是说，可能有些时候我一天喝大概8罐，或者类似这么荒唐的量，但我想这些天大概是1罐或2罐，所以不算太疯狂。好的，还有咖啡，我通常一天控制在2杯。喝那么多吗？我是说，也没有真的那么多，所以，不过是的，我以前会喝，但喝那么多咖啡，还有，你知道，健怡可乐，以至于我会变得非常亢奋，然后

就会摄入过量咖啡因，那不会有什么好处。好的，是的。所以，是的，我现在有点高兴，所以我想这些天的量更合理了。我觉得你喝这么多咖啡或健怡可乐，是因为你每天工作那么多个小时。是的。你工作多少个小时？埃拉姆·马斯特生活中正常的一天看起来是什么样？嗯，随着时间推移，差异确实相当大，所以，你知道，这些天可能是每周80、85个小时。有一阵子每周超过100个小时，而那只是，那只是——那是非常巨大的痛苦。所以，你知道，工作时长带来的困难和痛苦确实是呈指数增长的，不是线性的。所以，但是当，你知道，2008、2009年金融危机袭来时，你知道，就是每天，每周7天，你

知道，从早到晚，还会梦见工作。是的，他的主人当时很糟糕，有噩梦，我猜是第8天带来的噩梦。是的，是的。你早上通常几点起床？我，通常大约是2 7 7。好的，但我睡得晚，所以通常是，我大约凌晨1点睡。

嗯。

左右，嗯，是的。你一天开始时会吃一顿真正的早餐，还是只喝咖啡或水？你知道，那也变化很大。我想，如果你，吃一顿好的早餐是个好主意，这可能是真的，但通常我没有时间。所以有时候，有时候有人给我做好，但可能有一半时间我不吃任何早餐。我也只好喝点类似咖啡之类的东西，一个位置，当然。嗯，我正努力减少甜食，所以，但我想，我是说，我想我可能应该吃个煎蛋卷，再喝杯咖啡之类的，那似乎可能是正确的做法。有时你会吃那个。那么午餐，吃他们的午餐？是的，是的，很多时候，午餐通常在开会期间端给我，而我会在

5分钟。是的，那是个坏习惯，紧张不安，我没有。晚餐才是热量真正发挥作用的地方，因为，你知道，如果我有晚餐会议，像晚餐会议是最糟糕的，因为那样你，你知道，会吃下大概够2个人吃的东西，知道那些事，因为你会吃开胃菜、主菜和清淡的东西。所以商务晚餐就是那种真的，嗯，你知道，我很可能会吃得太多的场合。但你的体重没有问题，你的问题？我当然可以更苗条些，我想。那你会锻炼吗？嗯，我知道，我每周锻炼1次或2次。我是说，我说，嗯，是的，是的，什么或2次。你应该？我当然应该更经常去。你会做什么？你跑着穿过森林，还是——跑着穿过森林

不，通常只是，呃，在跑步机上稍微运动一下，或者最后举一些重量，我想。让我们进入我这里的问题，只有122个，我猜。Tesla里有多少马斯克，哈哈哈，而且我相信是100%的你，还是当然不是？绝对不是。我是说，我当然有很强的影响力，但我是说，公司里有很多人。所以SpaceX现在有4,000人，Tesla今天刚刚超过10,000人。所以，有很多人对欺凌公司产生了巨大影响，或者说多家公司，比其他任何人影响更大，但这是许多有才华的人共同付出的庞大团队努力。是的，你以前为Tesla寻找过CEO，也为原力袋子找过。我不知道SpaceX的情况，但，嗯，你知道，我当时的计划

是，我们创办Tesla时，我希望，我以为自己会把大概20%或30%的时间分配给Tesla，然后对于SolarCity，我估计会用5%、10%的时间，诸如此类。所以路易斯城结果确实如此，事实上甚至比那更好，Silver City大概占用我不到5%的时间。Tesla最终占用的时间多得多，而不幸的是，像，第一任CEO并没有，没有成功，然后我有点成了临时的。我是说，我确实非常努力地不去当CEO，我本可以从第1天起就当CEO，因为人们可能有时候没有意识到这一点，而但我，你知道，如果我做了，我只是没能找到合适的人。就Solar City而言，有一个出色的团队在运营它，但真的很难找到一个能够

发展公司的人，你知道，像是在稳定状态下经营一家公司，要比发展一家公司容易得多。然后在Tesla，随着人们加入团队，而投资者有点死了，有几个人加入了团队，投资者在问，好吧，我要当多久CEO？所以我说，哦，好吧，我承诺会担任CEO直到高产量车型，所以至少再做2年，可能是3年或4年，3年或4年。是的，但到那个时候，我就必须考虑怎样才合理。而我，我会，我是说，我永远不会离开Tesla，永远不会，但我，我，你知道，可能不会永远担任CEO。我只是一个没有人应该当CEO的朋友，如果心里已经有人能胜任这份工作，全世界都知道那里没有，不，没有计划或

诸如此类的事情。呃，现在我的计划只是，你知道，肯定要当PCO，直到Model 3实现量产、Model 3和超级工厂，然后再评估。是的。还有什么，我们仍然是价格，你想研究找到一些捐赠者，那是第13章，我3，5,000美元，欧洲市场我猜也是同样的欧元。嗯，如果，是的，可能会更低，当然取决于汇率。好的，所以，是的，这总是有点棘手，比如在，在美——

S。

价格是在计入销售税前报出的，当然在欧洲则包含v80，而且还有类似25 80以及所有那些东西，所以可能会更接近30,000欧元，比那稍微低一点。它应该会在2年内上市，或者从现在起穿过，我会说3到30。是的，好的，是的。我再回到你寻找CEO的话题。除了CEO以外，你招聘人员时，希望他们具备什么样的技能？你会看列举人员吗？你是怎样开始的？嗯，我是说，当我面试某个人时，我其实只是请他们向我讲述自己的职业经历，以及他们，你知道，处理过哪些比较棘手的问题、他们如何处理这些问题，以及他们在关键转折点是如何做决定的

而，而通常这就足以让我对某个人产生非常好的直觉。而我真正寻找的是具备非凡能力的证据，也就是说他们曾面对真正困难的问题并克服了它们。然后当然，你要确保，如果有某项重大成就，他们真的对此负有责任吗，还是其他人负有更多责任。通常，必须与问题搏斗过的人会真正理解它，你知道，他们不会，他们不会忘记，你知道，如果那件事非常困难。所以你可以向他们提出详细的、非常详细的问题，而他们会，他们会知道答案；而并未真正对那项成就负责的人则不会知道细节。知道一个，这不是，它

根本没有必要拥有大学学位，甚至高中学历也不需要。我是说，如果某人毕业于一所优秀的大学，那也许确实，那可能表明他们有能力成就伟大的事业，但情况未必如此。你知道，如果你看看比如Bill Gates、Larry Ellison、Steve Jobs这样的人，这些人都没有大学毕业，但如果你有机会雇用他们，那当然会是个好主意。所以，你知道，只是寻找，只是寻找非凡能力的证据，如果有非凡成就的过往记录，那么这很可能会延续到未来。什么，像，像你和Steve Jobs这样的人有什么共同点，尽管是像那样的人的同性恋者，你和他们有什么共同点？

嗯，我是说，那些人的个性相当不同，你知道，盖茨、乔布斯和埃里森之间，以及成功。嗯，我认为，你知道，这3个人都是技术工作者，但技能类型各不相同，而他们的工作显然非常擅长美学，而且，你知道，吃，你甚至回答技术，当然，任何真正回答人们想要它在哪里的人，即使他们自己都不知道，而且他不怕打破界限。但接下来，比如盖茨在某种纯工程和技术方面可能比乔布斯更强，但在美学方面不如他。不过，我是说，这些人显然都非常有驱动力，也非常有才华，而且，是的，他们能够吸引优秀的人来购买这家公司。但任何，它确实做到了，就像那个，那个

吸引并激励优秀人才的能力对一家公司的成功至关重要，因为公司不过就是一群被组织起来创造产品或服务的人，那就是公司的目的。如果你儿子想忘掉这个基本事实，所以如果，你知道，如果你能让优秀的人加入公司，朝着共同目标一起工作，而且你对那个目标抱有一种不懈追求完美的意识，那么最终你会得到一款出色的产品，并给予一款出色的产品，让我们，如果你会购买它，然后这出喜剧就会成功。是的，确实就是这么直截了当，真的。是的，我是说，是的，那就是原因。你有很多才华，如果有任何你想拥有却没有的告诉，唱歌

跳舞，你看，哦，我知道你……嗯，我想我会喜欢演奏一种乐器，那会很酷。我口哨吹得不错，很会吹口哨。我会吹口哨。你最喜欢吹哪首歌的口哨？我不知道，我会，我有一大堆歌，就那种随机地，我只是到处走，随便吹口哨。请让我吹口哨，因为这就像，你知道，我是说，我会吹口哨，但就像，这个就像，是啊，也许不是最酷的演奏乐器。是啊，比如我能用口哨吹“帕卡·贝尔斯的大炮”，那首很难。真的吗？是啊，我现在不会为了改装给你吹口哨，因为那会太尴尬。好吧，是好时机，梦幻岛，一些保龄球的东西。好吧，哦，天哪，别担心，我们想要你，我们想要你。你会如何描述自己？你的主要特质是什么？

你有，嗯……我如何描述自己？嗯，我是说，我似乎天生就有很强的驱动力，从我还是个小孩时起就一直如此。你知道，我确实有非常强的驱动力，算是为他的孩子做过各种冒险的事，以至于我会想，我为什么要做那些事，太疯狂了。但所以，我认为这非常有帮助，而且我非常在意事情的真相，努力理解事情的真相，我想是这样。我认为，如果你要想出某种解决方案，那么真相真的、真的很重要，我觉得是这样。是啊，我试着想，我是说，这显然很难，想出比如可以称赞自己的事情，你知道，或者像是，这里面有坏也有好，但我觉得有时候，那些看起来……的事情就是……

对我来说相当清楚、显而易见，而我，我，我不明白为什么它们对所有人来说不是那么显而易见。那么，你会形容自己无所畏惧吗？我是说，在其他方面，当你寻求别人的建议时，而你找有哮喘的人……我不会说自己无所畏惧。事实上，我认为我会恐惧，我非常强烈地感受到恐惧。但如果，如果我们正在做的事情不是，你知道，我正在做的事情，我认为它足够重要，那么我就会压过恐惧。所以，并不是我感觉不到。我感觉它比我希望的更强烈。你从不为什么去冒险？呃，这其实取决于赌注。如果赌注很高，如果事情真的很重要，那么应该……那么我知道，我们会克服恐惧，无论如何就是去做。本质上，我是说，是驱动力压过球体，但我感受到……

恐惧，这有点烦人。我希望亚洲人奥西亚更少地感受到它。所以，是啊，所有这些自省式问题都很有意思。我并不经常被问到这些，然后我就会试着想，怎样才算一个有依据而准确的回答，而有人是……这就像，很难在这些事情上评价自己。是啊，你发现哪个成员风险最大？好狗。嗯，可能是SpaceX，我觉得它成功的概率最低。我是说，一开始我认为Tesla和SpaceX都会失败。你是这么想的？是啊，当然。真的吗？当然。但尽管如此，你还是把所有的钱都投进去了。我本来就预计会失去它。嗯，严格来说，我当时想的是，好吧，我会拿出从PayPal得到的一半钱，如果损失一半，那也没关系。但之后，这些公司当然遇到了……

困难，然后你就得作出选择，所以你要么就让公司死掉，要么就把，你知道，所有的钱都投进这些公司。所以真的，在公司死去期间……所以我把所有的钱都投进了这些公司。是啊，然后我不得不为朋友借钱，应该支付生活开支。是的。2008年，当他们最后一次被迫退回、最后一次它启动了我们整理过的它时，你脑子里想的是什么？那是一段可怕的时期。是啊，所有事情同时出错。一开始连续3次火箭失败，而Tesla的融资轮正在瓦解，或者说已经瓦解了。SolarCity在离婚时遇到了困难，真的很糟糕。是啊，所以我，我为此非常难过。一切都很完美。嗯，这花了一些时间，它的基地……是啊，在2008年年底……

第4次发射成功了。是的，这真的……那就是我们所有的钱，一点都没有了。你知道，事实上我最初做预算时想，好吧，我们可以做3次，承受3次失败。所以，就像，我们只是勉强、勉强凑够钱进行第4次发射。然后在2008年年底，我们拿到了一份NASA的大合同，真的，确切地说是在12月23日，我想是的。是啊，所以情况从真的非常糟糕……我记得2008年圣诞节前的那个星期日，我当时想，这可能是我这辈子最接近精神崩溃的一次。我从没想过自己会成为一个可能精神崩溃的人，而我确实……我是说，那就像，我当时，我能，我能看到它，就像我，我已经能望见它了。就像，这个勒克斯，这太糟糕了。

然后，然后第二天早上，NASA打电话来说，那个奇怪的一个，这一个发生了，交替的下一个更多……是啊，就在第二天早上，真的是这样。我当时在家，我以为，我以为他们全都回家过节了。我觉得如果你说圣诞节前几天不可能接到电话，有些人，你知道，会去度假，我也有点这么想。所以，哇，在50亿里。是啊。那么我给你打电话时，你脑子里想了几……嗯，那太棒了。我当时就像，我真的对NASA的人说了我爱你们。他们以前也收到过这种回应。所以，所以那是，是啊，星期一早上，然后我想是在星期二晚上或者星期三晚上，当时我们完成了Tesla的那轮融资，那大概是在6:00……

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圣诞夜，那是还来得及的最后一天的最后1个小时；如果，如果那个被停飞的东西在那里关闭了，我们会在圣诞节几小时后、几天后破产。你为、为纳赛尔和其他……飞行。是啊，我们弄丢了商业运营商的卫星，所以有欧洲的SES、美国的“抱歉的平静”，还有其他许多公司。我们这里响起了警报，车里听起来很沉闷，也许他们偷了我们的Dodge，希望没事。好吧，你有史以来最好的想法是什么？我有史以来最好的想法？是啊。这很难。我想，来到北美是我最好的想法。好吧。因为我认为这些事情在，你知道，几乎任何其他地方都不可能完成。创办公司真的很难，但，你知道，尤其是加利福尼亚州的硅谷……

非常有利于初创公司，而且，是啊，所以，是啊，你知道，每当我在南非读书时，感觉技术的最前沿就在硅谷，所以那就是我想来的地方，我想搬到这个神话般的地方。好吧。到目前为止，有没有什么事情是你后悔做过的，或者后悔没做的？嗯，有很多事情。人生短暂，有很多本来可以做、但一个人不一定能做的事。这些确实是自省式问题。我想，不，我是说，总的来说，我觉得自己对……对，你知道，事情目前的状况相当、相当满意。老实说，很难不满意。我会，是啊，事情目前处在一个不错的位置。而且，我是说，展望未来，我希望，像是……

看到人类走出地球，并有人登上火星，那会非常棒；也希望看到电动汽车和可再生能源得到广泛采用。这些都是很棒的事情，而且，是啊，我觉得那会真的、真的很酷。但有没有某个商业决策是你后悔的，比如什么？事后看来，我本该硬着头皮从一开始就担任Tesla的CEO。那本来会是，你知道，那本来会是明智之举，你知道，因为最后我们不得不从根本上为公司重新注资，你知道，而且我们经历了很多痛苦。所以那本来会是明智之举。我是说，嗯，有些事情有了你的、有了事后之见当然会更好，你可以说这个决定或那个决定。告诉……它本质上是建立……

在2个错误想法之上，或者围绕2个错误想法开始运作。其中一个是，我们可以使用Lotus Elise的底盘，将制造电动汽车的成本降至最低；另一些话是，我们使用了加利福尼亚州一家小公司AC Propulsion的技术作为电动动力总成。所以你不会再犯同样的错误，因此这个你会从，从零开始？嗯，我们，我是说，我们实际上使用了很多其他公司的零部件。所以就像，你知道，Bosch是超远程超声波装置和雷达的供应商，然后是整个摄像头总成及所有东西。摄像头总成是我们做的，其中使用了mobile ID芯片，但用于集成它的所有软件都是我们在Tesla做的。我们去年为了采访见过面……

然后你告诉我，你想死在火星上，而不是沃伦，哈哈，那里发生任何事情之后……我是说，嗯，并不是说我急着要死在火星上，但就像，如果你总得死在某个地方，我是说，你知道，选择，一个选择是一切。那之后骨灰该怎么办，比如，你会怎样处理你的骨灰？我的骨灰？我不知道。实际上我已经不在了，我不会在意，他们做什么都行。是啊，我是说，我猜也许把骨灰撒在火星上，那会很酷，你知道，我当然可以。但我是说，那整件有点退休少校的事，就像，那就像是大约6年前或其他什么时候，一名记者问了一个问题，比如，你打算退休吗？而实际上我说的是，嗯，我不确定自己是否会彻底退休，但如果我要在某个地方退休，那么火星会……

是个，你知道，挺好、挺好的做法。我的意思是，在理想情况下，我会去一次火星，回到地球，然后，然后等到那个时候，你知道，当你真的老了，那就，没错，再回火星；等我大概75岁之类的时候，然后，你知道，你就死在那里，也挺好。你知道，感觉像是，没错，反正你哪里都会死，为什么不呢，唐·沃茨。对，没错，去太空，一个红色的，不，对，而且你想要，当然。我的意思是，我大概会去那里，而且，对，比如也许3年或4年。是的，对，你会测试它。对。好的，什么会先发生：从旧金山到洛杉矶的管道，也就是超级高铁，还是首批人类登上火星？我认为超级高铁更有可能发生，因为，嗯，你知道，这是个好问题。嗯，如果你说的是那条特定路线，我不确定，因为那里

要获得许可来建造一个大型设施，存在各种各样的限制，但我想，我会，我认为会有某家公司、某个团体造出超级高铁，但路线可能不同。我知道有一家公司正在仔细研究洛杉矶到拉斯维加斯这条路线，因为去这个地方是相当热门的行程，而且让这趟行程，是的，让这条路线运转起来要容易得多。好的，什么会让你快乐？嗯，我想，如果家庭方面一切顺利，工作方面也一切顺利，那我就快乐。如果其中任何一方面不顺利，那么我就，嗯，要么有一半不快乐，你的设施不快乐，但那就像，我的意思是，我认为通常确实如此，你知道，如果个人生活和工作生活都进展顺利，那么如果你已经，那么一个

很高兴谈论幸福，我很好，是的，我是说这是我的第14次，所以，是的，所以总是很好，我没法让人们过来看看，所以我今年在那里待了很多时间，哦，你确实去了，好吧，太棒了，你觉得该做什么，是啊，那太疯狂了，就像改变人生一样，没错，看，你有没有想过装配一辆艺术车，我会被造出来，是啊，是啊，当然，我做过3辆艺术车，其中一辆其实是两颗螺栓装在唇上，这大概是10年前了，是用一辆奥兹莫比尔造的，它以一种老式终极感觉行驶，引擎盖上方有一张环绕式大沙发，直到你坐在发动机上面倒着开，所以那算是一辆挺好玩的、有趣的我们的车，当然经常抛锚，感觉也确实改善了很多，詹姆斯·邦德汽车，潜艇，变形的

汽车到钻石，嗯，不，我是那辆詹姆斯·邦德汽车，那辆莲花 Esprit 潜艇，它在 Tesla 设计工作室里，而且没有，它只是，它目前就停在那里，我希望在某个时候做的是，我们会造一个某种复制品，但又不完全是，因为，比如你看那辆詹姆斯·邦德汽车，从技术上讲不可能把它做成潜艇，因为在一个变形的东西上，因为翼片正好就在车轮所在的位置，好吧，所以，比如那根本装不下，比如从物理上就不可能实现这种传动，但如果你把车做大约10，如果把它放大大约10%，再把翼片稍微向外缘移动一点，让它们不至于就像正好位于车轮前面，那么

你就能让它运作，是啊，所以 n+ site 或许适合保存原作，你知道，本质上就是原车的电影艺术，所以，是啊，我跟我的人谈过，我们认为在这些限制条件下，可以把它做成一辆变形汽车，是啊，所以它实际上看起来会非常相似，比如你得仔细看才能看出它是否不同，不过，是啊，我觉得我们资助能够，你知道，开上沙滩，看那辆潜艇汽车，你还拥有其他老车吗，你知道，我告诉你，所以有2辆车，就像我拥有的这2辆汽油车，没有多少人知道这些，但其中一辆是 167 系列 E-Type Jaguar 敞篷跑车，那是我真正有了些钱以后买的第一辆车，事实上，当我的第一家公司获得一笔投资时

风险投资家给了我们一笔40,000美元的，我和我哥哥40,000美元奖金，而我花了35,000美元买这辆车，它在回去的路上，在回去的路上抛锚了，非常伤心，就像，该死，我甚至都没把它烤回家，但那是一辆车，在我大约17岁时，我生日收到了一本经典敞篷车图册，我就想，嗯，你知道，如果我能报道一辆车，这本书里的这些车中的一辆，比如其中有，有2辆是我最喜欢的，一辆是鸥翼门梅赛德斯，但我根本不可能，你知道，那就像要数百万美元，然后另一辆是那个系列，那辆 E-Type Jaguar，严肃的那一辆，是啊，我知道你把它投给了梅赛德斯，而那辆你还没有投票，我还没有，我觉得它的设计非常棒，真的非常棒，在

那个，你知道，而且你知道，它在一定程度上启发了 Model X，所以现在那可能是以后某个时候值得买的一辆，而我有的那辆 Patiala 汽车是一辆 Model T，是我的一位重要朋友送给我的，那些东西很难开，如果你试过开一辆金属 Model T，那就像并不容易，我真的会，真的会，控制装置完全不一样——是的，那个，你知道，比如，没有油门踏板，就像有一个油门，那意味着你改变节气门，它是方向盘上的另一根操纵杆

get that water that is water I mean that side but you taste like water but your favorite drink is well I mean die coke is good is that if there's something that they put in that stuff that is you know you never get sick of it for some reason you know I have you account it's some infernal ingredient how many cones you your bottle - you have a day um well I mean I'm trying to cut down these days so maybe blech away from I mean there was probably times when I had like eight a day or something ridiculous like but I think these days is probably one or two so it's not too crazy okay and coffee I usually cut a two a day watch it so much I mean not really so but yeah I used to have but so much coffee and and you know died coke that it I get really wired and then

it gets over caffeinated and it wouldn't be good okay yeah so yeah I'm kind of glad so I think more reasonable portions these days and I think you bring some so much coffee or Diet Coke because you work so many hours every day yeah how many hours do you work how looks a normal day in the life of elam must like well it's really varied quite a bit over time so the you know these days it's probably eighty eighty five hours a week for a while there was over 100 hours a week and that's just it's just - that's a very high amount of pain so it's you know the the difficulty in pain of of work hours really increases exponentially it's not linear so but when you know the financial crisis hit in 2008 2009 you know it was just every day seven days a week what you

know morning till night and dream about work yeah his host was terrible at the time there were bad dreams I guess bad dreams from days 8 yes yeah and at what time do you get up normally in the morning me it's usually about 2 7 7 okay but I go to bed late so usually it's I go to bed around 1 a.

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or so well yeah and you start day with a real breakfast or just with a coffee or with the water you know that also varies a lot I think it's probably true that if you that having a good breakfast is is a good idea but usually I don't have time for that so sometimes sometimes it's it's made for me but probably half the time I don't have any breakfast I had to also have like coffee or something like that one spot sure well I'm trying to cut down on the on sweet stuff so but I think I mean I think I probably should have like a an omelet and a coffee or something like that that seems like probably the right thing and sometimes that you have that and for lunch eat their lunch yeah yeah a lot lunch is usually served to me during a meeting and I finish it in

five minutes yeah that's a bad habit jitter I didn't that dinner is where the calories really come into play because there's you know if I have dinner meetings like dinner meetings are the worst because then you you know eat enough for like two people know those things because you have the appetizer main course and light stuff so business dinners are like the thing that really um you know where I probably eat way too much but you don't have problem with your problems with your weight I certainly could be slimmer I think what do you work out then um I know I work out once or twice a week I mean I said well yeah yeah what's or twice you should I should get more often for sure and what are you doing you run through the forest or and run through the forest

no usually just uh like a little bit on the treadmill or on the end lifting some weights I suppose and let's come to my questions I have here is just 122 I guess and how much musk is in Tesla and hahaha and I believe is hundred percent you or of course definitely not I mean I certainly have a strong influence but I mean there are many people at the companies so SpaceX has 4,000 people now Tesla we just passed 10,000 people today so there's there's a lot of people that have had a huge influence on bullying company or companies more of an influence than anyone else but it is a big team effort from a lot of talented people yes you look for a CEO in former times for Tesla and force bags also I don't know for SpaceX but um you know the the plan I had when

we created Tesla was I wish I thought I would allocate maybe 20 or 30 percent of my time to Tesla and and then for SolarCity I figured 5% 10% of my time that kind of thing so Louis City turned out to be true in fact even better than that probably takes me less than 5% of my time on Silver City Tesla ended up being much more and unfortunately like the the first CEO didn't didn't work out and then I got sort of a temporary I mean I really tried pretty hard not to be the CEO like I could have been the CEO from day one because like people maybe sometimes don't realize that and but I you know if I did I just wasn't able to find the right person in the case of Solar City there's like a great team that runs it but it's really hard to find someone who who can

grow a company you know it's like running a company in steady state is much easier than growing a company and and then with Tesla it has people joined the team and investors were kind of dead they've been a few people during the team investors we're asking okay well how long am I going to be CEO and so I said oh well I'm committed to be CEO through the high volume production vehicle so two more years at least probably three or four three or four years yeah but at that point I would then have to consider what makes sense and I I would I mean I will never leave Tesla ever but I'm I you know may may not be CEO forever I'm just one nobody should be CEO friend if somebody in mind who could do the job already know worldwide that there's no nope no plans or

anything like that uh right now I plan is just to you know for sure a PCO through the model 3at volume production of model 3 and the gigafactory and then evaluate yes and what else we is still the price you want to study found some donor that's a chapter 13 I three $5,000 and the same at Euro I guess for the European market um well it might be less if yeah for depends what the exchange rate is of course okay so yeah it's always a bit tricky like in the in the u.

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the prices are quoted before sales tax and of course in Europe it's with v80 and it was like twenty five eighty and all that stuff so probably would be more like thirty thousand euros a little bit less than that and it should be on the market in two years time or through I'd say three to thirty from now yeah okay yeah I'm coming back to you looking for CEO when apart from CEOs when you hire people what kind of skills do you want them to do you look at listing people how do you started well I mean though that the when I interview somebody I really just asked them to tell me the story of their career and what they you know what are some of the tougher problems that they dealt with how they dealt with those and how they made decisions at key transition points

and and usually that's enough for me to get a very good gut feel about someone and and what I'm really looking for is evidence of exceptional ability so that they face really difficult problems and overcome them and and then of course you want to make sure that that if there was some significant accomplishment were they really responsible with somebody else more responsible and usually the person who's had to struggle with the problem they really understand it you know they don't they don't forget you know if it was very difficult so you can ask them detailed very detailed questions about it and they will they'll know the answer whereas the person who was not truly responsible for that accomplishment will not know the details know a the it's not it's

it there's no need even to have a college degree at all or even high school the I mean if somebody graduated from a great university that maybe in indeed that may be an indication that they will be capable of great things but it's not necessarily the case you know if you look at say people like Bill Gates or Larry Ellison Steve Jobs these guys didn't graduate from college but if you had a chance to hire them of course that would be a good idea so you know just looking just for evidence of exceptional ability and if there's a track record of exceptional achievement then it's likely that that will continue into the future what does like people like you and Steve Jobs have in common although gays of people like that what is it you have in common with them

well I mean those are pretty different personalities you know between gates and jobs and Ellison's and success well I think you know all all three of those work technologists but with different types of skills and their jobs was obviously very good with aesthetics and you know eat you even answer technology of course any really answer where people want it even when they didn't know themselves and he was not afraid to break boundaries but next say like gates would probably be better at you know sort of raw engineering and technology than jobs but not as good on aesthetics but I mean for these guys of the obviously very driven and they're very talented and yeah and they're able to attract great people to buy the company but any it did that like the the

ability to attract and motivate great people is critical to the success of a company because the company is just that's a group of people that are assembled to create a product or service that's the purpose of a company if your son wants forget this elementary truth and so if you know if you're able to get great people to join the company work together towards a common goal and and you sort of have a relentless sense of perfection about that goal then you will end up with a great product and give a great product let's if you will buy it and then the comedy will be successful yeah really it's pretty straightforward really yeah I mean yeah that's the reason for it you have a lot of talents if there any tell you would like to have you don't have singing

dancing you see oh I know what you well I suppose I'd like to play a musical instrument that'd be cool I can whistle good whistling I can whistle what is your favorite song to whistle I don't I can I have like a whole bunch of songs that kind of randomly I just run around whistle randomly please ask me to whistle because it's like you know I mean I can whistle but like it's this is like yeah maybe not the coolest instrument to play yeah like I can whistle pakka bells cannon which is a tricky one really yeah if I'm not gonna whistle for a refit for you now because I'll be too embarrassing okay it's good time Neverland something for bowling all right oh man don't worry we want you we want you and how would you describe yourself what are the main attributes

you have um how I describe myself well I mean I seem to have a high innate drive and that's been true even since I was a little kid you know really had a very strong Drive sort of did all sorts of risky things for his kid that I like why do I do those things are crazy but so I think that's very helpful and I care a lot about the truth of things and trying to understand the truth of things I think so I think that's important if you're going to come up with some solution then the truth is really really important I think and yeah I try to think of I mean it's it's difficult obviously come up with like things that are praised for oneself you know or like it there's there's bad and good here but I think like sometimes they're just like the things that seem

quite clear and obvious to me and I I I don't understand why they aren't so obvious to everyone so will you describe yourself as fearless I mean other areas when you seek people for advice and you do people with asthma I wouldn't say I'm fearless in fact I think I fear I feel fear quite strongly but I am if the if what we're doing isn't you know what I'm doing is I think it's important enough then I just override the fear so but it's not as that I don't feel I feel like more stronger than I would like what do you never go for risk uh well it really depends on the stakes if the stakes are high if it's really important then what should then I know we'll overcome the fear and just do it anyway essentially I mean it's Drive override sphere but I feel the

fear it's kind of annoying I wish Asians Osia felt it less so yeah these all these introspective questions are interesting I get the ask these very often and then like I try to think like what is like an evident and accurate reply and somebody's a it's like it's hard to evaluate yourself on these things yeah which member you found it was the most risky nice dog well probably SpaceX I thought it had the lowest chance of success I mean I thought both Tesla and SpaceX would fail at the beginning you thought yeah sure really of course but nevertheless you put all your money in that I expected to lose it well technically what I thought was well I'll take half the money from PayPal and if I lose half of it that's okay but then of course the companies encounter

difficulties and then have a choice so that you like let the company die or put you know all the money into the companies and so really during where the companies to die so I put all the money in the companies yeah and then I had to borrow money for friends should pay living expenses yes and what went through your mind of 2008 when they last the forced back and the last it started what we assorted it was a terrible time yeah everything was going wrong at once three rocket failures in a row beginning and Tesla financing around was falling apart or fell apart the Solar City was having difficulties getting divorced it was really terrible yeah so I was I was very sad about that everything was perfect well took a while its base yeah at the end of 2008 the

fourth launch worked yes which is really that was all the money we had but nothing more you know in fact originally I budgeted I thought okay we can do three survived three failures so take like we just barely barely scrape together enough to do a fourth launch and and then at the end of 2008 we got a big NASA contract really literally on December 23rd I think it was yeah so it went from like really terrible - I remember that Sunday before Christmas in 2008 thinking like that I could this is the closest I've ever come to a nervous breakdown I can never thought I would ever be someone who could have a nervous breakdown and I did I mean it was like I was I could I could see it like I could I was in within sight of it it's like this Lux this is terrible

and then and then the next morning NASA called and said that weird one this one happened alternates next more yeah the next morning like literally I was at home and I thought I thought they'd all gone home for the holidays I didn't think if you would have said there was no chance of a call a few days before Christmas some people you know be on vacation and I kind of think so Wow in five billion yeah so what went through your mind when I called you a few um that was awesome I was like I actually said to the NASA guys that I love you that they've gotten that response before so so that was yeah the Monday morning and then I think it was the Tuesday night or the Wednesday night was the which when we closed the financing round for Tesla and that was like 6:00

p.

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on Christmas Eve was the last hour of the last day when it was possible and we would have gone bankrupt a few hours after a few days after Christmas if if that grounded are closed at you flew for for the Nasser and for other yeah we've lost the satellites for commercial operators so SES in Europe and sorry of calm in the US and a number of other companies we've got a alarm here it seemed quite dull in the car maybe they stole our Dodge hopefully okay what was your best idea ever my best idea ever yeah this is tricky I suppose coming to North America was my best idea okay because I think these things would not have been accomplished you know almost anywhere else it's really hard to start a company but you know in particularly California Silicon Valley

is very conducive to startup companies and yeah and so yeah you know whenever I read books in South Africa it would seem like the cutting edge of technology was in Silicon Valley and so that that's what I wanted to come and I wanted to move move to this mythical place okay and are there things you regret having done off I'm not having done so far well there's there's lots of things when life is short and there's lots of things that could be done that one can't necessarily do and these really are introspective questions I think it no I mean I'm overall I think I'm pretty pretty happy with what wait you know where things are it's hard not to be honestly I'd be yeah if things are in a good place right now and I mean I'd like to it looking ahead make like

to see humanity go beyond Earth and have people on Mars that would be really great and to see widespread adoption of electric vehicles and renewable energy these are great things and yeah that I thought would be really really cool but is there like a business decision which you regret like what in retrospect I should have I should have bitten the bullet and been CEO Tesla from the beginning then that would have been you know that that would have been the smart move you know because we ended up having to essentially recapitalize the company you know and we went through a lot of grief so there would have been wise move I mean a some things are better with your with hindsight course you can say this decision on that decision tells it was essentially built

on to false ideas or started run for to false ideas one of which was that we would be able to use the Lotus Elise chassis to minimize the cost of creating electric vehicle and the other words that we used the technology from AC Propulsion a small company in California for the electric powertrain so you won't do the same mistake again so you start from from zero with this well we're I mean we actually use a lot of components from other companies so it's like the you know Bosch is a supplier of the ultra-long range ultrasonics and the radar and then the whole camera assembly and everything we do the camera assembly which we use a mobile ID chip and but with all of the software for integrating that we do at Tesla we met each other last year for the interviews

and then you told me that you wanted to die on Mars not Warren haha after anything there I mean well it's not as though I'm dying to die on Mars but it's like if you're gonna die somewhere what I mean you know choice a choice be everything what should happen to ashes then like what do you do with you ashes I with my ashes I don't know I don't actually I'm gone I didn't care they do anything yeah I mean I guess maybe scatter the ashes on Mars that would be cool you know I can sure but I mean the the whole route sort of retired Maj thing was like it was like an reporter asking a question six years ago or something it's like we're gonna retire and actually said well I'm not sure I'll ever retire completely but if I were to retire somewhere then Mars would

be a you know a good good way to go I mean it in ideal circumstance I'd make one trip to Mars come back to earth and then and then when it's time to you know where you get really old then like ya go back to Mars when I'm like 75 or something and then you know you die there and good you know seems like yeah you're gonna die anywhere why not Don watts Yeah right go to space a red no yep and you want to sure I mean I'll probably go there and yeah like maybe three or four years yes yeah you would test it yeah okay what will happen first the tube from San Francisco to LA the Hyperloop or the first men on Mars I think the Hyperloop is more likely to happen for well you know it's a good question it well if you say that particular route I'm not sure because there

are all sorts of constraints in getting permits to build a big thing but I think I would be I think there's going to be some company a group that creates a Hyperloop but it may be a different route and I know there's one company that's looking closely at the Los Angeles to Las Vegas because that's quite a popular trip to this and it's much easier to make that trip yeah make that route work okay what makes you happy well if I think if things are going well with family and things going well at work then I'm happy if either one of them is not going well then I'm well either half unhappy your facility unhappy but that's like I mean I think that's generally true you know if if things are going well on person life and work life then if you have been then one

is happy talk about happiness I was good yeah I mean it's my 14th time so yeah so it's always good I can't catch people to come and check it out so I've been there this year so much oh you did go okay great what do you think to do yeah that's crazy it's like life-changing exactly see have you have you ever thought about fitting an art car I'd be built yeah yeah sure I've done three art cars one was actually both bolts on lip this is probably ten years ago was built on an Oldsmobile and it went by an old ultimate feel with a big wraparound couch over the hood until you're sitting on top of the engine driving backwards and so that was kind of a fun fun our car broke down a lot of course also feeling really improved a lot James Bond cars submarine transformational

car to the diamond um no I'm the James Bond car the Lotus Esprit submarine is it's in the Tesla design studio and no it's just it's it's currently just sitting there the what I'm hopefully gonna do at some point is we're going to create a sort of a replica but not quite because like if you look at the James Bond car it's not it's not technically possible to make that a submarine because at a transformative thing because the fins are right where the wheels are okay so like there's just that doesn't fit like it's not physically possible to the transmission but if you make the car about ten if you scale it up by about 10% and you move the fins just a little bit more towards the outer edges so that they're not like sitting right in front of the wheels then

you can make a work yeah so n+ site is probably good to preserve the original you know movie art essentially of the of the original car so yeah talk to my guys and we think we can make it work as a transformation car with those constraints yeah so it actually looked very similar like you'd have to look closely to see if it's different but yeah I think we fund to be able to you know drive up on the beach view that submarine car do you own other old cars you know I tell you that so there's two cos like these two gasoline cars that I that I own and not that many people know know about these but what one is a series 167 e type Jaguar roadster and that was the first car I bought when I actually had any money in fact when the my first company received an investment

the venture capitalists gave us a $40,000 me and my brother of $40,000 bonus and I spent thirty five thousand dollars on this car and it broke down on the way on the way back it was very sad like damn it I didn't even bake it home but that was a car when I was about 17 I was given for my birthday book of classic convertibles and I thought well you know if I could have reported a car one of these cars a book like there were there were two that I liked the most one was the Gullwing Mercedes but there's no way I could you know that was like millions of dollars and then the other was the series that the e-type Jaguar the serious one yeah I know you put it for the Mercedes and that you haven't voted yet I haven't I think it's a great design really great in

the you know and you know it's partly inspires the Model X so the now that might be a good one to buy at some point and the Patiala car that I've got is a Model T that a friend of my important gave me those things are hard to drive if you ever try to drive a metal Model T it's like not easy I really would be really were the controls are all totally different - yes the you know the like the there's no gas pedal it's like there's a gas that means you change the throttle it's other a stick on the steering wheel