他是目前世界上最受热议的首席执行官之一，是 SpaceX 和 Tesla 等公司背后的主要人物，先生。

马斯克，很高兴您能来到哥本哈根。是的，谢谢你邀请我，我很高兴再次来到这里。是什么让您来到丹麦？嗯，我来这里是为了看看 Tesla 的丹麦团队。实际上，我这次会访问多个国家。我刚从卢森堡过来，接下来要去德国、荷兰和比利时。所以来这里看看团队，看看情况进展如何，与政府里的一些人交谈等等。您带来了什么信息来展示丹麦？哦，嗯，我认为最重要的信息是，丹麦凭借风能成为了可再生能源领域的杰出领导者，而且我认为丹麦也有机会成为可持续交通领域的领导者。但尽管丹麦在风能方面做得非常出色，如果你看看有多少

道路上行驶的汽车或者电动汽车，数量非常少，远低于 1%。所以我认为，政府政策继续支持电动汽车非常重要，而且，你知道，随着更多风能被生产出来，把它用于可持续交通是没有道理的。我认为这是，但这是同一个问题中非常重要的2个部分。所以我认为，这是这是一个丹麦，一个对对 Tesla 来说有趣的而且市场，像丹麦这样的小国。是的，我认为丹麦的长处，我认为他们更保守，作为世界其他地区的榜样，展示可持续交通能够实现什么。对于较大的国家，很难产生巨大影响，但对于较小的国家，你可以说，嘿，这、这就是它可以呈现的样子，向

其他国家说明，你知道，有了正确的政策，道路上就能拥有数量可观的电动汽车。所以我认为，demo 可以成为世界上的重要领导者，成为这方面的榜样。您提到了风能，丹麦拥有世界上最大的风车制造商 Vesta，也生产大量可持续能源，对吧？但我们确实难以储存风能。是的。您能在这方面帮助我们吗？当然可以。所以电动汽车本身显然可以成为缓冲风能的绝佳接收者。因此，根据正在产生的风能处于什么水平，你实际上可以让电价非常，这样人们就可以根据产生的能源是多还是少来给电动汽车充电

来自风能。此外，Tesla 有一种电池包，一种正在开发中的固定式电池包，或者将在今年晚些时候进入大规模生产。因此，将风能与固定式储能结合起来非常强大，因为这提供了一套完整的解决方案。您会考虑在丹麦建立一座设施吗，甚至？是的，那、那确实是正在考虑的事情。是的。Tesla 改进电池技术的速度非常快。您预计未来几年，你们的电池技术将如何改变汽车行业以及能源行业？嗯，对于电池技术来说，无论是用于电动汽车还是固定式储能，都是实现可持续能源长期未来这一等式中的关键一环。所以你需要拥有

可持续能源发电，我认为主要会是风能和太阳能，然后将它与固定式储能结合起来，这是必需的，因为可再生能源发电具有间歇性；然后你可以，然后这个等式的第 3 个部分是电动交通。所以，如果你具备所有这 3 个部分：可持续发电、储能和电动汽车，那么你就拥有一套面向未来的完整解决方案，然后我们就会拥有一个美好的未来。但对于挑战观众行业和能源行业这样庞大的行业，您有何感受？嗯，这绝对，有时可能相当困难。你知道，大型汽车公司和大型能源公司的手肘都相当尖锐，所以它们会试图，你知道，最初它们

试图压垮 Tesla 这样的小公司。但我认为我们，你知道，我们总体上得到了大众支持，以及 Tesla 各处团队的支持。所以，伙计，这很难，但我认为，你知道，我们正在取得良好进展。Tesla 的销量真的开始增长，汽车也真的开始上路了。你们已经成功领先于其他电动汽车制造商，但它们现在真的正在迎头赶上，我觉得这很棒。是的，是的。您对 Porsche 的新款电动汽车等新出现的竞争性电动跑车有何回应？是的，嗯，你知道，我们创办 Tesla 的原因是试图加速可持续交通的到来，让道路上出现更多电动汽车，为此，我们实际上开放了我们的所有专利。所以我们说

你知道，任何汽车公司都可以使用我们的技术，没问题，我不必向我们支付费用。所以，对我们来说，你知道，我们受理念的强烈驱动，你知道，我们关心电动汽车的发展，因为我们认为你，而且除非实现可持续交通，否则未来将会非常糟糕。所以我很高兴看到其他公司发布这些消息。我希望它们甚至能比所宣布的行动得更快。但您不认为，或许您的投资者会期待您击退这些竞争，而不是拥抱它吗？嗯，是的，我的意思是，即使在我们上市时，我也确实说过，我说，听着，你们的 Tesla 有着强烈的意识形态动机，所以如果他们不同意这一点，就不应该投资。因此他们知道

从一开始，我始终非常明确地说明了这一点。但只要我们制造出有吸引力的产品，我认为 Tesla 就会表现不错。所以这不是，你，我们不应该仅仅因为竞争失败就表现不错。我的意思是，我们应该因为制造了好车而表现不错，那是唯一的理由。我想谈谈您对电动汽车任务的愿景，马斯克，嗯，我们什么时候能突破电动汽车 1000 公里续航里程这个标记？1000 公里，嗯，这要看是在什么情况下达到 1000 公里。目前 Model S 的纪录是 800 公里，这是任何人驾驶 Model S 所达到的最远距离。所以我们可能已经接近了？是的，我们现在相当接近。为了做到这一点，他们确实以相对较慢的速度行驶。所以，你知道，我们说的是

我想他们的行驶速度可能是每小时 40 或 50 公里，或者差不多是这样。但我、我猜我们大概能在 1 年或 2 年内突破 1000 公里。好的。是的，所以甚至可能在 2016 年内？我会说，如果你说 2017 年，我会说 2017 年肯定可以。

在 2020 年，一辆 Tesla 充 1 次电能行驶多远？

在 2020 年，我们大概能让汽车行驶 1200 公里。好的，未来电池发展的速度大致就是这样吗？所以，是的，如果你设想可能，嗯，你知道，每年 5% 到 10%，差不多这样。好的，是的。你们目前有自动驾驶 Tesla 的计划吗？有。我的意思是，这个，他们可以跟我说说吗？是的，当然。所以，目前正在生产的 Tesla 具备在高速公路上自动转向或使用指令驾驶的能力，而这目前正处于 Beta 测试阶段，希望下个月会广泛发布。所以我们可能只差 1 个月就能实现自动驾驶了，至少在高速公路和相对简单的道路上是如此。我的意思是，我猜我们实现完全自动驾驶大约需要 3 年。大约 3 年，3

年。然而，监管机构可能不会允许完全自动驾驶，也许至少还要 1 到 2 年，可能在那之后 1 到 3 年。所以这取决于这个，取决于具体市场。一些市场的监管机构会比其他市场更积极。但就技术获胜者而言，就技术上成为可能而言，我认为是 3 年。20 年后我们驾驶的是什么样的成本？我希望文明在 20 年后仍然存在。如果确实存在，是的，没错，我认为在 20 年后，你有望看到很长比例的汽车成为电动汽车，可能到 20 年后，所有生产的汽车都会具备完全自动驾驶能力。但、但是有一点必须牢记，比如有时候人们会想，我把汽车看作手机之类的消费品，像

但对于手机而言，手机的平均持有时间是 2 或 3 年，而汽车通常能使用 20 年，之后才最终报废，所以全世界汽车和卡车的总保有量约为 20 亿辆，而且这一保有量可能正在增加到 25 亿辆，而新车产量是大约 100 辆新汽车和卡车，每年大约 1 亿辆，所以为了改变整个车队，如果如果所有汽车比如说立即变成电动汽车，那么可能需要超过 20 年才能改变整个车队，对于自动驾驶来说，时间可能会更短，因为如果一个城镇在驾驶意味着所需的汽车和卡车更少，那么这可能是一段更短的时间，但可能仍然至少需要 10 到 15

年，好的，所以在思考汽车领域的变化能有多快时，我们认为这是一个重要的考虑因素，正如我之前提到的，如果你想说我们在电动汽车方面、在可持续交通方面做得怎么样，你知道，我会说只要看看沿路行驶的成本，数一数每100辆车中有多少辆电动汽车，而那就会告诉你已经取得了多少多少进展，已经取得了进展，即使是在丹麦这样相对前瞻的地方，也不到1%，我们在丹麦这里能做些什么————嗯，帮助你们实现可持续未来的目标，当然，嗯，我认为这这这这以前是面向所有电动汽车、所有制造电动汽车的公司，Tesla是其中之一，这确实非常重要，尤其是

在电动汽车发展的早期阶段，要让激励措施继续保留。它们不必永远存在，但、但是，如果、如果过快地撤掉对电动汽车的支持，那么你面对的就是一个还只是婴儿的行业，它只是一个很小很小的东西，而且它、它，我认为，对于一个并非处于初创期的行业来说，现在撤、撤掉激励措施还有点太早。未来没问题，但现在会很困难。

he is one of the most talked-about CEOs in the world right now the main behind companies such as SpaceX and Tesla mr.

musk it's a great pleasure to have you in Copenhagen yeah thanks for having me I'm glad to be back what brings you to Denmark well I'm here to see the Tesla Danish team I'm actually visiting a number of countries on this visit I just came from Luxembourg and I'm headed to Germany and Netherlands and Belgium so here here to see the team so you could see how things are going talk to some of the people in government and so forth what message do you bring to show Denmark oh well I think the most important message is that is that Denmark is a great leader in renewable energy with wind and I think that there's an opportunity to be a leader in sustainable transport as well but although Denmark is doing incredibly well on on wind that if you look at how many

cars going down the road or electric there's very few well under 1% so I think it's it's very important that government policy continue to support electric vehicles and and you know as more wind energy is generated it didn't make sense to put that into sustainable transport I think it's but there's sort of two very important halves of the same problem so I think it's it's a Denmark an interesting and market for for Tesla a small country like Denmark yeah I think the Forte for Denmark I think they're more conserve as an example to the rest of the world to say what can be done with the sustainable transport so with with larger countries it's difficult to make a big impact but with smaller countries you can say hey this this is what it can be like to to

other countries to say you know with the right policies you can have a significant number of electric vehicles on the road so I think demo can be an important leader in the world as an example in this regard you mentioned when Denmark has the world's largest windmill maker Vesta large production of sustainable energy right but we do have trouble storing the wind energy yeah can you help us with that absolutely so the electric vehicles themselves can be obviously a great recipient to buffer a wind energy so depending upon where what level of wind energies is being generated you can actually have the pricing of electricity very so that people can charge their electric cars depending upon if there's a large amount or small amount of energy being generated

from the wind then in addition Tesla has a battery pack a stationary battery pack that is under development or going to significant production later this year and so combining wind energy with a stationary storage is very powerful because that provides a complete solution would you consider setting up a facility in Denmark even yeah that that is that is certainly something under consideration yeah Tesla is improving battery technology really fast how do you expect your battery technology will change the auto sector as well as the energy sector in the coming years well for the battery technology both for for electric vehicles and for stationary storage is a critical piece of the equation for a long-term future of sustainable energy so you need to have

sustainable energy generation which i think is going to be primarily as wind and solar and then you combine that with stationary storage which is needed because of the intermittent nature of renewable energy generation and then you can and then the third piece of the equation is electric transport so if you have all three of those pieces sustainable generation storage and electric vehicles then you have a complete solution for the future and then we have a good future but how do you feel about taking on such large industries as the audience industry and the energy industry well it's definitely it can be quite difficult at times the you know the big car companies and the big energy companies have quite sharp elbows so they try to you know first times they

try to squash small companies like Tesla but I think we you know we have the support generally of of where the popular support and everywhere a team at Tesla so man it's hard but I think you know we're making good progress Tesla is really getting sales going really getting cars out there you've been able to get a head start on other electric car makers but they're really coming along now what I think is great yeah yeah what what is yours response to to the new competing electric sports car such as Porsches new electric car yeah well you know the reason that we're doing Tesla is to try to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport to have there be more electric cars in the road and and to that end we actually open sourced all of our patents so we said

you know any car company can use our technology it's no problem that I didn't have to pay a fee to us so so for us you know we're very philosophically motivated you know we care about at the advancement of electric vehicles because we think you're and unless there's sustainable transport it's going to be the future is going to be terrible so so I'm glad to see these announcements of these other companies I hope they they move even faster than they announced but don't you expect you may be your investors to expect you to fight off these competition rather than embracing it well yeah I mean I did say that when we were in public even I said look your Tesla has a strong ideological motivation so they shouldn't invest if they disagree with that so they know

from the beginning I've always been very clear about that but as long as we make compelling products I think Tesla will do ok so it's it's not you we shouldn't do ok just because the competition failed I mean we should do okay because we make good cars that's the only reason I want to get into your vision for missions for electric cars musk am when will we break the thousand kilometer range you mark for an electric car a thousand kilometers hmm well it depends under what circumstances for a thousand kilometers as it is the record right now for Model S is 800 kilometers that's the furthest that anyone has driven a Model S so we could be close yeah we're pretty close now in order to do that they did drive at a relatively slow speed so you know we're talking

I think they drove maybe at 40 or 50 kilometers an hour or something like that but I I think my guess is probably we could break a thousand kilometers within a year or two okay yeah so within 2016 maybe even I say if you say 2017 I'd say 2017 for sure.

How far can a Tesla drive on a single charge in 2020?

In 2020 we could probably make a car go 1,200 kilometres okay it's that kind of the pace going forward moving battery so yeah if you think maybe um you know five to ten percent a year something like that okay yeah do you have any current plans for a self-driving Tesla we do I mean the they can tell me about that yeah sure so the the Tesla that is currently in production has the the ability to do automatic steering or order pilot on highways and that's currently being but beta tested and we'll go into wide release hopefully next month so we're probably only a month away from having autonomous driving at least for highways and for relatively simple roads I mean my guess for when we will have full autonomy is about three years three years approximately three

years however regulators will probably not allow full autonomy for maybe at least one to two years may 1 to 3 years after that so it depends on this on the particular market some markets will be the regulators will be more forward-leaning than others but in terms of technic winner will be technologically possible I think three years what kind of costs are we driving twenty years from now I hope civilization is still around in 20 years if it is yeah exactly I think in 20 years I think you will see hopefully a very long percentage of cars being electric probably all cars being built will have full autonomy in 20 years but it but it is important to bear in mind like sometimes people think I think of cars like consumer products like a phone or something like

that but in the case of a phone the the average ownership time for a phone is is 2 or 3 years but for a car a car typically lasts 20 years before it is finally scrapped so the the total fleet of cars and trucks in the world is about 2 billion and that fleet is increasing probably to two and a half billion and the new car production is is about a hundred new cars and trucks about a hundred million per year so in order to change the fleet if if all cars become electric say immediately then it would take more probably more than 20 years to change the fleet for autonomous driving that may be less because if a town was driving means that fewer cars and trucks are needed then it's a probably a smaller period of time but it's probably still at least 10 to 15

years okay so that's an important consideration we think when thinking about how fast can things changing in cars and as I mentioned earlier the if you want to say how how we're doing in terms of electric cars in terms of sustainable transport you know I'd say just look at the cost going down the road count how many electric cars out of a hundred and that's that tells you how many how much progress has been made been made and even in a place like Denmark which is relatively forward-leaning less than one percent what can we do here in Denmark - - well help you reach the goal of the sustainable future sure well I think it's it's it's it's formerly for for all electric all companies making electric cars Tesla being one of them it's really important particularly

in the early days of electric cars to have the incentives remain in place they don't have to be there forever but but if the if the rug is pulled too quickly for electric cars then you have a industry which is just a baby it's just a little tiny tiny thing and it's it's I think too early to sort of pull pull incentives for a industry that isn't in its infancy and in the future no problem but now would be difficult