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马斯克在特拉华县里德利高中首次独自为唐纳德·特朗普举行市民大会,他在会上称宾夕法尼亚州是2024年大选的“关键”,并回答了选民关于移民、投票和言论自由的问题。
Musk's first solo town hall for Donald Trump, at Ridley High School in Delaware County, where he called Pennsylvania the "linchpin" of the 2024 election and took voter questions on immigration, voting and free speech.
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197 个段落
埃隆·马斯克
哇,这里的活力惊人地棒。谢谢大家前来。
埃隆·马斯克
所以我,我拿着手机,因为我们在进行某种直播 Spaces,同时也在进行视频播送。所以我拿着手机是因为这个。如果你们看到我拿着。为什么他拿着手机?这是因为我们在进行 X Spaces 直播,同时也在进行视频直播。所以我将能够尽可能多地回答观众的问题,也能回答线上人们的问题。但正如你们所见,我显然是亲自来到这里的。
埃隆·马斯克
这是我本人,不是我的克隆人。
埃隆·马斯克
我亲自来到这里的原因,是因为宾夕法尼亚州对……的未来如此重要,你知道,你通过行动而不是言语来表明什么是重要的。而我的行动就是,我来到这里,我在宾夕法尼亚州,而且我是为了一个非常重要的原因来到这里。那就是。是啊。那就是,我再怎么强调都不为过,我再怎么强调都不为过,我认为宾夕法尼亚州是这次选择的关键。而我认为这次选举将决定美国的命运,并且随着美国的命运,也将决定西方文明的命运。
埃隆·马斯克
而且我认为,我们所有人想要的东西都很简单、很明智,我是说,都是符合常识的事情,你知道,我们显然想要。我们想要安全的边境,我们想要安全的城市,你知道,合理的支出,这样我们就不会出现疯狂的通货膨胀。我们想要言论自由,我们想要宪法得到维护。
主持人
而且
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,你知道,有时有人告诉我,这些就像是右翼价值观。我就说,你疯了吗?
埃隆·马斯克
这些实际上就是造就今日美国的根本价值观。
埃隆·马斯克
而任何反对这些事情的人,从根本上说都是反美的,让他们见鬼去吧。
埃隆·马斯克
我看到这个房间里的每个人都非常赞同。
主持人
是的。那么。
埃隆·马斯克
而且你知道,所以顺便说一句,我实际上在,在宾夕法尼亚州生活过3年。我对这个州并不陌生。我在这座城市生活了3年。我在这里上过学。所以,你知道,所以我了解这个州。我不是什么,你知道,刚到这里的情况。你知道,我来过这里,在这里度过了人生中的3年。所以这是一个很棒的州。我喜欢这里,你知道,而且,是啊,是啊,这里棒极了。但你知道,事情是这样的,就像我和我的一些朋友交谈,他们就像,当我去日本时,那时候非常危险,但所有人都认为,随着,你知道,随着一年年过去,情况会变好。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,其中一个问题就像是会。学生会不时被杀害,而那显然非常糟糕。我和一个最近从宾大毕业的人谈过。他们说,实际上情况更糟了。我就说,更糟了?
埃隆·马斯克
到底发生了什么?你知道,这就像。是啊,嗯,是啊。我的意思是,现实情况是,如果某人是一名暴力罪犯,你知道,他们要么无法控制自己的暴力行为,要么喜欢这样,如果你不监禁他们,他们就会伤害别人。归根结底就是这样。所以。
埃隆·马斯克
所以,如果你不把那些穷凶极恶的罪犯关进监狱,他们就会杀人。归根结底就是这样。而这就是。不幸的是,我们这里的情况是,民主党不会把那些穷凶极恶的罪犯关进监狱。因此,他们四处自由游荡,并把你、你的孩子、你的家人和你的朋友当作猎物。这太疯狂了。
埃隆·马斯克
我们怎么会是,你知道,世界上最强大的国家,而。而且这。而你不能。这。在我们的城市里四处行走并不安全。到底发生了什么?是啊,我是说,索罗斯,说实话,厌恶人类,你知道,对于一个,你知道,算是声称自己在做好事的人来说,但实际上他并没有,你知道,他正在撕裂社会的结构。
埃隆·马斯克
太糟糕了。
埃隆·马斯克
是的。所以。但是我觉得这简直难以置信,我们。就是,你本应该能安全地走在美国城市的街头。而且不只是,你知道,是。费城面临挑战。纽约面临挑战。美国的每一座主要城市,比如我,你知道,我妈妈住在纽约。我们的3个朋友今年在街上遭到了袭击。你知道,就像。而且情况越来越糟。现在如果。
埃隆·马斯克
她带狗散步时,她必须待在,你知道,大楼里面,这样。这样她在必要时就能呼救。这不是我们想要的未来。如果我们再经历。如果我们再经历这样的4年,我是说,我们就会彻底变成《疯狂的麦克斯》了。你知道,就像,看一部《疯狂的麦克斯》电影挺不错,但我们不想身处《疯狂的麦克斯》电影里。好吧。
埃隆·马斯克
所以。
主持人
是的。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,然后。整个边境问题简直疯了。是的。我总是想设法弄清楚事情的真相是什么,到底发生了什么。所以关于边境的情况,就像,是。是真的吗,还不是真的?所以我亲自去了那里,我真的只是直播了我所看到的,而那个,你知道,我们的边境看起来就像《僵尸世界大战》。好吧。就像僵尸末日,你知道,简直疯了。
埃隆·马斯克
所以这是。如果你没有边境,你就没有国家。是的,我是说,我们只是在说,就像,你知道,我们,我们,我们必须有真正的边境,而且。或者说,如果你没有真正的边境,你就没有真正的国家。显然,作为一名移民,我支持移民,我只是想确保来到这里的人会成为社会的财富,而且,他们会提高我们的生活水平。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,我觉得这就像,我觉得这种运动队的类比很好。所以,比如,假设你是,你知道,一支职业运动队,你想赢得总冠军,那么。嗯,你显然希望队里有王牌球员,因为他们能帮助整支球队获胜。你知道,所以。移民也是如此。如果,你知道,如果我们有这种类似于,你知道,科比·布莱恩特、斯蒂芬·库里或勒布朗之类的人,他们想加入球队。
埃隆·马斯克
那当然。他们当然会。你喜欢赢吗?是的。好吧。但如果他们不会打篮球,就不该加入。
埃隆·马斯克
所以这真的很重要。
埃隆·马斯克
而且。是的,然后有件事没有得到太多关注,那就是联邦政府正在通过支出把美国推向破产,这太疯狂了。这有点。而真正导致通货膨胀的,就是政府支出超过其收入,那才是造成通货膨胀的原因。是的。所以这就是一种有害的税。因此必须大幅。我们必须从根本上减少政府支出,这样我们才不会累积起无法偿还的债务,并把国家推向破产。
埃隆·马斯克
我是说,其实就是些基本的事情。你知道,这些不应该是有争议的话题。就只是正常的常识。没错。
埃隆·马斯克
而且你知道,你们看到所有这些对言论自由的攻击,他们还因为自由而攻击我。就像,哟,那可是第一修正案。就像,确实是第1条,你知道,这说明它优先级很高。
埃隆·马斯克
之所以有第一修正案,是因为,你知道,在人们原先来自的那些国家,如果你说出自己的想法,就会被监禁或杀害。这就是为什么要有它。这真的很重要。然后持有和携带武器的权利也真的很重要。它的存在是为了保护,你知道,第二修正案的存在是为了保护第一修正案。
埃隆·马斯克
一旦政府可以决定,解除人民的武装,他们就可以为所欲为。而且你们看,我们在一个又一个国家见过这种情况,他们拿走人民的枪,然后他们。然后他们举行虚假选举,接着人民试图抗议,却直接遭到枪击。这就是最近在委内瑞拉发生的事情。他们举行了一场虚假选举。马杜罗输了,比如,惨败,比如,你知道,输了70%。
埃隆·马斯克
然后他就像,哦,不,我不会。
埃隆·马斯克
所有人都说,哦,你没有赢。街头爆发了大规模抗议。但问题在于,查韦斯上台时拿走了所有人的枪。所以现在你面对的是,你知道,手持突击步枪的士兵。你要朝他们扔几根棍子之类的吗?用手指比枪吗?
埃隆·马斯克
这行不通。所以马杜罗即使输掉了选举,仍然掌权。而这就是,这就是我们面临的那种风险。风险。所以。但是我们必须尽一切可能保护宪法。而且我认为这是。是的,所以,出于所有这些原因,这就是为什么,你知道,在思考了一颗心之后,我非常清楚地认识到,唐纳德·特朗普必须赢得这场选举。确实如此。
埃隆·马斯克
所以我认为,你能做的最重要的事,也是我请求每个人去做的事,就是确保你已经登记投票,那个,你知道,然后提前投票,再与你的朋友、家人以及你认识的每个人交谈,确保他们已经登记投票,因为星期一是选民登记的截止日期。说实话,这是。如果真有什么时候该去烦你的朋友和家人,那就是现在。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,就是。是的,就是现在。
埃隆·马斯克
你认识的每个人、你遇到的每个人、你碰见的每个人,都让他们登记投票,然后让他们立即去投票。
埃隆·马斯克
而且我们只有到周一晚上之前才能登记投票。所以接下来的,基本上3天至关重要。
埃隆·马斯克
我认为,我们会看到这场选举在宾夕法尼亚州由……决定。可能是10,000票,可能是1,000票,也可能是10票。可能是某个非常小的数字。所以每多争取到一个人都会带来巨大的差别。
埃隆·马斯克
所以,你知道,我以前没有积极参与政治。现在我积极参与政治,因为我认为美国的未来和文明的未来正处在危急关头。所以,是的,请全力以赴地为人们登记。3。我们有3天时间。行动起来。做任何你们可能做的事。那么说到这里,我很乐意回答问题,或者听取观众的意见,而且。是的,谢谢。
观众
每人问1个问题。
埃隆·马斯克
好的。
主持人
好的,麦克风在我这里。
主持人
好的。
主持人
好了,埃隆,首先,欢迎来到里德利镇区。谢谢你,特拉华县。也欢迎来到里德利学区,来到我们美丽的高中。
主持人
因为你把这里作为第一站,我们很想授予你“里德利突袭者”荣誉称号。
埃隆·马斯克
谢谢。
主持人
我想把这件衬衫式橄榄球球衣送给你。体育运动在里德利很受重视,在特拉华县也很受重视。这是马斯克。宾夕法尼亚州有67个县。我们必须让每个县都变红。很好。
埃隆·马斯克
听起来不错。谢谢。非常感谢。
主持人
第1个问题,我们所有人能听到什么?这座礼堂里的每个人,每个观看直播的人。我们现在能做些什么,确保唐纳德·特朗普在宾夕法尼亚州以及这个国家的其他所有地方冲过终点线?
埃隆·马斯克
是的,从根本上说,接下来的3天里,每个人都需要专注于登记。朋友、家人、熟人,所有人,你知道,因为如果你到星期一还没有登记,这就是为什么我有点反复说这件事,并且真正强调这件事。任何到星期一晚上还没有登记的人,或者登记信息不正确的人,他们的选票都不会被计算。他们将无法投票。所以我们有3天时间。
埃隆·马斯克
这一切都关乎登记、登记、登记、登记,每一天都要如此。就像我说的,这场选举可能会由少数几个人决定。可能只是在选民登记上多付出一点努力,就决定了文明的整个未来。所以这就是为什么我说,天哪,这真是。如果曾经有哪个周末值得花时间在登记上放手大干,那就是这个周末。
主持人
好的。
观众
你好,埃隆,非常感谢你来到这里。这意义重大,而且根据我通过听你在采访中发言而逐渐了解到的你,我认为这真的很符合你的品格。除了投票给唐纳德·特朗普之外,普通公民能做些什么来帮助训练 I AI 追求真相?
埃隆·马斯克
嗯,我认为当然,你知道,要公开推动确保那个 AI 追求真相,而不是那种政治正确,或者说这。意味着事实不正确。
埃隆·马斯克
那是。那是件大事。比如,就在。在社交媒体上发声,并且。当然要在。当其他公司试图从本质上用一种反乌托邦式的旧金山伯克利哲学来给它们的 AI 编程时大声抗议。如果你想知道那种哲学会导向哪里,就。就在旧金山的街道上走一走,但要小心,因为别被暴力的毒品僵尸杀死,因为他们遍布这个下面的旧金山市中心。
埃隆·马斯克
这太疯狂了。
埃隆·马斯克
所以你能看到,你知道,那种哲学会导向哪里?而不幸的是,我认为很多 AI 往往被编入了,你知道,至少是隐含地编入了那种厌恶人类的反乌托邦哲学。是的。
观众
你好,朗。就在你右边这里。
埃隆·马斯克
抱歉。灯光照着我的眼睛。还有别的东西。很难看清。所以。
观众
你好,我叫贾斯敏。我来自马来西亚,已经在这里20年了。我是合法来到这里的。我看到很多移民现象,还有很多合法来到这里的移民。他们全都支持特朗普,而且他们想要一个强劲的经济。他们想要,你知道,家庭价值观之类的一切。哦,顺便说一下,我来这里是因为我女儿在这里上学,上学。她叫我过来。4年前,我曾经非常、非常积极地宣传,你知道,特朗普的竞选活动,后来我精疲力竭了,我非常沮丧,而,而这一切都是因为作弊。
观众
那么我们要对此做些什么?
埃隆·马斯克
嗯,我认为,确实发生了一定程度的作弊。很难。因为他们已经,你知道,当你,当你采用邮寄选票,又没有、没有任何形式的公民身份证明时,就几乎不可能证明。作弊是问题所在。所以很多,你知道,民主党那边的很多人会说,没有作弊,没有作弊。而我就想,你们已经让人根本不可能真正证明那是、那里存在作弊。
埃隆·马斯克
但是。从统计学上看,确实发生了一些非常奇怪的事情,那些事情从统计学上说极其不可能发生。
埃隆·马斯克
所以,你知道,总会有人问,比如说 Dominion 投票机。奇怪的是,这些,你知道,我想它们在费城和马里科帕县使用,但在其他很多地方却没有使用。这难道不像是巧得离谱吗?
埃隆·马斯克
所以我认为存在,那就是,你知道,在我看来,我们应该只采用纸质选票并由人工计票。就这样。
观众
我的意思是,
埃隆·马斯克
我是一名技术专家,我非常了解计算机,而我会说,我最不会做的事就是信任计算机程序,因为它实在太容易被黑了。只要添加一行代码就太容易了,而纸质选票真的很难被黑。所以,你知道,应该是现场投票,并出示,你知道,……的证明。对,出示身份证件,顺便说一句,每个国家都有,我的意思是,几乎每个举行民主选举的国家都要求选民出示身份证件现场投票。
埃隆·马斯克
这很奇怪。没有这一要求实在太奇怪了。我认为这是有效应对舞弊的唯一方式。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,鉴于我们今天所处的境地。我认为我们只需要一个非常大的胜选优势。你知道,这里有。是的,如果胜选优势足够大,那么,你知道,正如人们所说,它必须战胜作弊。是的。所以就是这样。
埃隆·马斯克
首先,你是我的英雄,而且我喜欢你的运动鞋。谢谢。
埃隆·马斯克
所以,如果你确实选择担任政府效率部的负责人。是的,那些。没错。
埃隆·马斯克
你怎么看。我们停止向以色列、乌克兰等其他国家提供资金,并停止资助那些很可能无论如何都会流向深层政府的永久战争。是的,嗯,我认为总体而言,联邦政府造成的浪费数额确实惊人。这是数额惊人的纳税人资金浪费。而且,如果我们,你知道,对于任何一项具体支出,我们都必须问,嗯,这为美国公民带来了什么?
埃隆·马斯克
比如,这对美国人民有什么好处?那是他们的钱。比如,不知出于什么奇怪的原因,你知道,很多身处那种,你知道,国家机构或别的什么地方的人,那些政客,他们似乎忘了被花掉的是你们的钱。如果这些支出没有以有益于美国人民的方式被花出去,那就是滥用资金。所以,是的,我的意思是,有很多钱被花在了让那种非法移民获得比公民更多福利的地方。
埃隆·马斯克
比如,这到底是什么鬼?这完全说不通。是的。
观众
你好,伊兰。那么,当我们把政府支出……并把目光转向国内时,我是一名政府雇员。我关心创新和效率。对于你为政府效率部设想的愿景,你知道,我们能做些什么?我们该如何支持你?还有,我们如何才能让人们关注北卡罗来纳州民众的需求?死亡人数被异常地少报了。你知道,我们能。我们能做些什么来推动此事并支持我们国家境内的民众?
埃隆·马斯克
当然。嗯,我确实认为。我确实认为,你知道,提高政府效率并不只是缩减政府规模,还要确保为……为出色的工作提供激励。你知道,所以如果某个人……你激励什么,什么就会发生。所以,如果你为出色的工作提供激励,同样地,如果某个人工作并不出色,就让他们离开。就是尊重常规。这其实就是一家正常运转的公司里会发生的事。
埃隆·马斯克
那就是你的奖励吗?或者想想一支运动队。表现出色的球员会得到奖励。表现不佳的球员则会离开球队。事情本来就应该这样运作。我认为,这会对政府的效能产生深远影响,因为你激励什么,什么就会发生。所以,如果激励机制与拯救北卡罗来纳州的人们保持一致,那么这就是将会发生的事。
埃隆·马斯克
但是,如果,如果,如果,如果,你知道,如果你对灾难、对飓风灾难的响应算是一种失败,而且甚至没有任何人被解雇。好吧,那你期待什么?不会有人采取行动。你知道,人们会,如果存在,如果存在一贯的失败记录,你就必须让那些失败的人离开。否则,人们会环顾四周并说,好吧,我猜我什么都不需要做,因为你知道,即使你的工作做得非常糟糕并且有人死亡,也不会有什么坏事发生在你身上,这太疯狂了。
埃隆·马斯克
所以。
埃隆·马斯克
嗨,埃隆。
主持人
嗨,埃隆。
观众
你能跟我们讲讲你的以色列之行吗?
埃隆·马斯克
是的,我是说,那是一次非常令人动容的旅行。所以,你知道,那里,是的,那是一次相当令人动容的旅行。
埃隆·马斯克
绝对是最棘手的地区之一,你知道,比如你要怎么做,什么,你知道,什么样的一系列行动会在以色列产生更大的善?我是说,很明显,你显然不能容许那些人,你知道,如果他们想让以色列的每个人都慢下来,你就得阻止他们。没有,你知道,没有别的办法。
埃隆·马斯克
是的。
埃隆·马斯克
那些人要么需要被他们杀死,要么被监禁,否则他们只会试图杀死更多以色列人。很明显,归根结底就是这样。顺便说一句,他们也想杀死美国人。
埃隆·马斯克
一般来说,以色列被称为小撒旦。在美国,我们是大撒旦。阿亚图拉就是这么称呼我们的。所以,你知道,所以我认为,
观众
你
埃隆·马斯克
知道,我认为那里发生的许多事情是因为人们正被教导去仇恨,你知道,在加沙,他们从小就被教导去仇恨。而那,那才是真正需要停止的事情,为了实现,你知道,长期、长期的和平,希望如此,就是你不能让孩子们从会说话的那一刻起就被教导去仇恨。这是根本。所以。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,所以我认为那里有一个类似三步的过程过程,也就是,我提到过,其中一步是必须去做那件困难的事,也就是。是的,柠檬水,一个苔藓。正是如此。然后,所以,然后,你知道,我认为今后也一样,任何在加沙或其他地方教导仇恨的人,你知道,他们都需要停止这样做。那不能被接受。
埃隆·马斯克
而我们还必须停止。人们,你们的孩子在美国被教导去仇恨美国。
观众
所以。
埃隆·马斯克
然后同样非常重要的第3件事是,加沙必须实现经济繁荣。所以这非常困难。就像,在可怕的事情已经发生之后,你要怎么做,然后你还得算是,你知道,你必须给加沙带来繁荣,你知道,而那,那件事将确保,只要孩子们没有被教导去仇恨,而且有长期繁荣。我认为加沙将会实现和平。
埃隆·马斯克
我们在第二次世界大战后的德国和日本身上看到了这样的例子,你知道,他们战败了。他们显然做过可怕的事情,但教育体系发生了改变。而且与第一次世界大战不同,我们帮助重建了日本和德国。马歇尔计划,美国没有实施报复,而是坚持,我们要帮助重建德国,我们要帮助重建日本。如今他们是盟友,从那以后再也没有发生过战争。
观众
我还想祝贺你
埃隆·马斯克
成功地让你的火箭重新对接。
观众
大事。
埃隆·马斯克
而我要走了。
主持人
是的。
埃隆·马斯克
我是说,老实说,那是很棒的一周。
埃隆·马斯克
是的,我们有Tesla那些算是、算是很酷的自动驾驶汽车和机器人之类的东西,我认为这将会非常、非常棒。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,我想,你知道,谁不想拥有自己的私人C3PO?R2D2。那会棒极了。你知道,所以我认为我们会制造一些很棒的、类似助手的机器人和自动驾驶汽车,然后,我是说,如果你命运正在对,对我们微笑,那今天就是个好日子。
埃隆·马斯克
谢谢。
埃隆·马斯克
我们接住了火箭,这简直完全疯了。你知道,你看到那个火箭助推器了吗?它是有史以来制造的最大、最重的飞行物体。而它刚刚被机械哥斯拉的机械臂接住了。你知道,有点像《龙威小子》,但更大。用筷子在飞行中接住,你知道。所以我的问题是,你认为
观众
拜登-哈里斯政府背后是否存在一个影子政府?
埃隆·马斯克
我是说,嗯,这么说吧,不是拜登。
埃隆·马斯克
我们确切地知道这一点。好吧。
埃隆·马斯克
勉强有2个能正常工作的神经元。所以,你知道,就像。而且他似乎经常待在海滩上,他显然不是主事的人。所以我是说,当拜登的民调开始走低时,他,你知道,他,他一直说,哦,他会继续竞选,他会继续竞选。但后来我猜真正的当权者告诉他,他不会,你知道,所以,所以他背后的人是谁?我们知道奥巴马。
观众
好吧,但奥巴马,
埃隆·马斯克
我是说,我和你一样好奇。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,这确实,这确实。据我所能确定的,并不存在某一个类似幕后操纵者的人。更像是有1000个或很多服务。
埃隆·马斯克
但我是说,我想和他们谈谈,以进一步了解。听着,你们的目标是什么,幕后操纵者们?我只是好奇。
埃隆·马斯克
我是说,也许我同意他们中的一些人。有可能,但是。但是。但是很明显。拜登正面临一项指控。很明显,卡玛拉并没有掌权。我是说,他们非常明显地只是用卡玛拉这个傀儡替换了拜登这个傀儡。而且。而且所以你能看出来,比如,如果提词器停止工作,那么傀儡的停止装置就坏了,然后就像,哦,傀儡开始不断循环,因为提词器坏了。
埃隆·马斯克
我没有提词器。我可以像正常人一样直接说话。所以。
埃隆·马斯克
所以,我是说,是的,我觉得有。这不是。据我所知,并不是一个傀儡操纵者,而是很多个。但是,你知道,看看爱泼斯坦客户名单和凯马拉的傀儡操纵者之间的重合,会很有意思。
埃隆·马斯克
我敢说,有很多名字同时出现在两份名单上。
主持人
哦,抱歉。
埃隆·马斯克
是啊。他也这么做了吗?
主持人
你能再往高一点打吗?所以我。
埃隆·马斯克
他确实做了。
主持人
埃隆,我叫格雷戈里·斯滕斯特罗姆。我来自这里,特拉华县。
主持人
两个认识我的人在我手中。你之前问过,你想进行人工计票。我们现在有3起联邦诉讼。其中一起,是因为我们确切知道,而且我们有证据表明,Dominion、Hard和Pacific机器中的选举代码是欺诈性的。就在这里。就在特拉华县,负责他们选举的州务卿乔纳森·马克斯上周在法庭上承认了这一点。
观众
哇。
埃隆·马斯克
他承认了。
主持人
在法庭上。有庭审记录。
观众
我没有。
埃隆·马斯克
出于某种原因,我读到过那件事。出于某种原因,这个。在场有多少人,传统媒体没有忘记报道那件事?
主持人
在场有多少人认识我?相当多。
埃隆·马斯克
我。我是说,我。我通常会跟进这些事情,而我并不知道那件事。
主持人
好吧,我们也是共同被告。莉娅·胡普斯和我,也都来自特拉华县,我们曾与特朗普总统和鲁迪·朱利安尼一起成为一桩诽谤诉讼的共同被告,我们在952天里证明了2020年存在大规模选举舞弊。我们在法庭上证明了这一点。这是公开记录。我们还有证据证明,目前正在使用的选举机器是欺诈性的。我们现在有视频,我可以给你看,有人在这里的特拉华县、蒙哥马利县、切斯特县以及全州各地往投票箱里塞选票。
埃隆·马斯克
好,我们有那段视频。
主持人
我们已经在3起联邦案件中把这些提交给了联邦法院。我们这里有一起美国最高法院案件。而这起美国最高法院案件很简单。它要求司法部撤销。废除他们不调查选举
埃隆·马斯克
舞弊的政策,这看起来很疯狂。
主持人
我们正受到阻挠。
埃隆·马斯克
是啊。我是说,这个司法部干得很棒。不知道是什么。他们只要把名字里的 J 去掉就行了,你知道,不公正部。
主持人
埃隆,我想请你做的是,我不想占用太多时间。我知道这有点令人震惊,但我们这里有一本书。《平行选举》。
主持人
我有一个最高法院案件。
埃隆·马斯克
是的。
主持人
而且联邦诉讼的材料也在这里。我们给你的人打过电话。我们给那些本应提供帮助的人打过电话。现在我们有数百人。准备好了吗?
埃隆·马斯克
是的。
主持人
他们正在外面拍视频。他们正在培训投票站工作人员。而我们没有得到这里前面几排许多人的支持。如果你想知道他们是谁,他们的照片就在这本书里。
埃隆·马斯克
好吧,让我们。
主持人
让我们听听。
埃隆·马斯克
我的建议。我的建议是把内容发布到 exper 平台上,然后。然后人们可以。可以它。可以。可以争论,说它是对还是错,或者。
主持人
而且。
埃隆·马斯克
而且。但是,你知道,如果你有视频或证据,那就把它们公开发布到。发布到社交媒体上。而且。而且人们可以,你知道,自行判断。没错。好的,很好。太棒了。谢谢。
埃隆·马斯克
无论如何,我们别争执起来。这是一个。我想,你知道,在这里,团队合作让梦想成真。
主持人
而且
埃隆·马斯克
无论情况如何,我都不想劝阻任何人投票。投票非常重要。所以,你知道,对于投票机之类的任何举措,我们当然希望对其进行严格审查,但尽管如此,每个人都需要投票。就像我说的,如果你离开这里时只记住一件事,那就是目标是让尽可能多的人登记投票。那就是目标。而且我们只有到周一晚上为止。
埃隆·马斯克
那就是目标。一个使命。砰。
观众成员
你好,伊兰。谢谢你来到这里。首先,作为一名脊髓损伤患者,我想感谢你勇于创新,因为并没有多少人这样做。我不会占用时间,但每年有18,000人受伤。所以谢谢你。
埃隆·马斯克
当然。而且我希望 Neuralink 实际上能发挥很大作用。你知道,最初是让任何失去大脑与身体连接的人都能够与手机和电脑交互,而且速度比双手功能正常的人还快,我认为这真的很酷。然后。但是。但是从长远来看,我认为如果在运动皮层中植入一个神经链接,然后绕过脊柱中神经元受损的位置,就有可能恢复全身功能。
埃隆·马斯克
我相信,从长远来看,实际上可以恢复人们行走和使用双手的能力。
观众成员
我很感激。我很愿意与你合作,在这里争取支持,但是。
埃隆·马斯克
嗯,是的,事实上,嗯,其中一件事是,你知道,公平地说,FDA 在其现行规则的框架内,已经,实际上一直相当支持。他们给了我们某种快速通道,你知道,因为他们看到了这项工作的质量和这项技术的先进程度,所以他们给了我们某种快速审批。但是,但是仍然,你知道,我们的进展受到监管问题的限制,同样的事情也正在 SpaceX 身上发生。
埃隆·马斯克
就像 SpaceX 建造一枚巨型火箭的速度,都比政府处理许可证的速度快,这太疯狂了。
埃隆·马斯克
所以,你知道,我应该提一下,比如支持V最根本的事情之一,也可能是对我而言最大的阻碍,就我为什么认为唐纳德·特朗普必须获胜而言,是我们必须制定合理的监管规定。我们的监管实在太多了,我上次查看时,我们有428个监管,428个机构。就像,所以自从,自从美国成为一个国家以来,平均每年成立的机构超过1个。
埃隆·马斯克
比如,我们拥有的机构数量几乎是美国建国年数的2倍,这意味着有机构被成立。你知道,就像有时每年成立2个机构,2个新机构,这简直是疯了。所以美国正被过度监管压得喘不过气来。就像我称之为被过度监管缓慢扼杀。就是这样。是的。
观众成员
我想问问天然气和锂。这差不多就是宾夕法尼亚州富有的自然资源,包括水力压裂天然气和锂,它们不仅能让我们州受益,也能让我们整个国家受益,然而许多居民。而且我必须坦率地说,在宾夕法尼亚州绵延350英里的范围内,出现过征用权和水源遭破坏等真正的难题,例如水手东线管道所发生的事情。我们如何才能确保在利用这些资源的同时,与地方政府和居民密切合作,又不让联邦政府越权并强行征用房主的土地?
观众成员
与公民进行有效沟通并让他们参与这些决策至关重要。你认为技术或私营产业可以发挥什么作用,以确保这一过程透明且公平?因为相信我,许多人遭遇了强制征收,包括我们的退伍军人,宾夕法尼亚州各地的含水层也遭到了污染。而且自2016年以来,这一直是一个真正的问题。所以我们希望支持我们的工人,使用我们的天然气,而且,而且我想要这样做,但我们必须谨慎对待我们从那些世世代代、数百年来生活在这里的人们手中拿走的东西,当然。
埃隆·马斯克
我的意思是,我相信合理的监管。所以。但是我看到的情况是,存在各种各样的。有堆积如山的规则实际上对人们没有好处,同时又缺少那些确实对人们有好处的规则。所以这是一个由监管构成的离奇卡夫卡式噩梦,最终人们的利益没有得到维护,而那些虚假的事情却遭遇了监管,监管延误。与此同时,坏事却获准发生,仅仅因为有人填写了文件并获得了这个系统。
埃隆·马斯克
所以这就是我的意思。
主持人
这是。
埃隆·马斯克
当我说政府效率部时,我的意思是,我的意思是处理,处理,你知道,任何,任何不符合人民利益的问题。
埃隆·马斯克
而且,你知道,而且,而且我们有时确实需要反对大型企业所推动的事情,因为其中一些企业非常短视,而且它们,有些大型企业会做坏事。企业就像人一样,比如,有些人是好人。就像,你知道,有些、有些企业是好的,有些有点爱干涉,而有些、有时候有些企业是坏的。企业就像人一样,你知道,应该这样看待企业。
埃隆·马斯克
所以,我们必须阻止那些想做坏事的企业,确保它们做的事情符合人民的利益。而那些想做好事的企业,不应该受到令人窒息的监管拖累。
埃隆·马斯克
对,当然。
埃隆·马斯克
对,对。而且我认为这些事情应该非常公开地进行,让人们能够了解正在发生什么,不能有任何事情,你知道,藏在阴影里。所以,阳光是最好的消毒剂。
观众成员
嘿,埃隆,你好吗?我是罗布。前面这两位太出色了,很难接在他们后面,不过我的问题稍微简单一些。如果特朗普当选,你计划采取的首批行动中有哪些是在政府效率工作之前?你有没有特别担忧的领域?
埃隆·马斯克
对,这是个好问题。你知道,我现在的重点肯定是确保特朗普赢得选举,否则其他事情都不重要。而且我认为,如果特朗普输了,我们会看到,你知道,我们的研究会变得更不安全,边境显然会门户大开。我们会看到政府支出疯狂飙升。就是通胀失控。各个层面都会很糟糕。而且,从根本上说,如果当前的趋势
埃隆·马斯克
的
埃隆·马斯克
过度监管造成的扼杀没有得到扭转,我们将永远无法抵达火星,那只会成为违法行为。而且人类文明将仅限于一个星球。不会有太空轴承文明。星际舰队也永远不会成为现实,而我们希望星际舰队成为现实。
埃隆·马斯克
所以,你知道,我与政府有过相当多的互动,你知道,因为SpaceX是NASA最大的承包商。实际上。为NASA做了很多工作,顺便说一句,我非常喜欢这个机构。但是,但是它,但是有,你知道,有些支出不太合理,是浪费,我们需要制止这种情况。说实话,这个。政府正在发生的浪费实在太多了,我会称之为一个到处都是目标的环境。
埃隆·马斯克
就像,各个方向都很难。到处都是这种疯狂的浪费。而且我认为很简单,如果人们只是知道,嗯,如果他们浪费大量纳税人的钱,他们就会被解雇,那就会立刻改善局面。立刻。
埃隆·马斯克
就像,对,这简直就是。而且我认为,但实际上必须胡萝卜加大棒双管齐下。就像,所以如果一名政府官员在花你的钱方面非常有效,给你的报税员的钱就是你的钱。
埃隆·马斯克
如果他们能有效地花你们的钱,就应该提拔他们,应该奖励他们。而如果他们浪费你们的钱,或者做的事情基本上就是腐败,就应该解雇他们。显然,你知道,他们有责任花你们的钱。嗯,是的。嘿,埃隆,作为一名曾因为……而被派驻的退伍军人,对于一个正在散布有关目前身处战斗中的军人、我的朋友们的谎言或虚假信息的政府和竞选团队,你会说什么?
观众成员
是的。
埃隆·马斯克
你能相信那就是全部吗?还有亨特·拜登的笔记本电脑存在下降等等?是的。我的意思是,在那个,那个,你知道,特朗普和卡玛拉的辩论期间,她说外面没有现役军人。我就想,我认识他们中的一大群人。你在说什么?这太,这太。这是一个可耻、糟糕的谎言。
埃隆·马斯克
而且她甚至没有受到事实核查。我就想,你在开玩笑吗?
埃隆·马斯克
我的意思是,是的,谢谢。
埃隆·马斯克
是的。而且我只想对那些人说,对那些现在正在危险地区服役的美国人说,这与卡玛拉所说的不同。感谢你们为国家服务,
主持人
埃隆。
埃隆·马斯克
谢谢你在并非非做不可的情况下挺身而出帮助美国。比如,你现在本可以待在一座岛上。是的,是的,你知道,我本可以,你知道。
主持人
是的。
埃隆·马斯克
我有很多工作,所以不,是真的。我的意思是,有,你知道,我认识很多人,他们在游艇上喝着迈泰鸡尾酒,随便什么,在一座岛上,你知道,享受着。而且你知道,那确实是我可以去做的事,但如果我认为文明的未来岌岌可危,我想我就不能那么做,而我确实这样认为。
埃隆·马斯克
我的问题,我的问题,给你的问题,我想第1个,你认识阿尔贝托·坎加瓦拉吗?他是欧罗巴快船的系统经理。哦,顺便说一句,你说过那是一个很酷的任务。你星期一把它送入了太空。是的,非常感谢。绝对是。事实上,对于那次任务,我和,你知道,SpaceX 团队谈过。就像,你知道,每项任务都很重要,但你知道,这项任务格外重要。
埃隆·马斯克
所以。是的,因为我其实,而且你知道,我想要,我想我和你一样,我想大多数任何人都一样,我想要一个你会期待、会对即将发生的事情感到兴奋的未来,我们将学到新东西,我们,你知道,我们将会,它将比过去更好,你知道,还有一个我们成为太空文明、置身群星之间、《星际迷航》成为现实的未来。
埃隆·马斯克
你知道,那令人兴奋。我的意思是,它们必须,生活不能只是解决一个又一个问题。必须有一些能激励你、打动你的心的事物。
埃隆·马斯克
是的,那很难建造,但在某个时候,我们应该造出曲速引擎。但你知道,即使没有曲速引擎,那个,你知道,星舰,也就是 SpaceX 制造的火箭,也有能力在火星上建造一座城市,在月球上建造一座城市。它就是为此而设计的。但监管泥沼正严重拖慢我们的速度。我的意思是,我来告诉你一件疯狂的事,比如我们在发射期间被罚了140,000美元,你知道,多么酷的发射台过热。
埃隆·马斯克
而且出于过度谨慎,我们实际上运来了饮用水。也就是干净的、超级干净的水。而美国联邦航空管理局说不,你们一直有天水落下来。那和我们使用的水一样。是大量的天水。
埃隆·马斯克
所以。而且他们不会处理我们今后的任何申请。所以,这就是我们正在应付的那种疯狂事情。
埃隆·马斯克
是的,所以。
观众成员
嗨,埃隆,我叫莎拉,来自费城。我有一整个团队在这里。首先,我真的对你的非常兴奋,我想很快真诚地想要。接受我们的协议。我的意思是,提案。
观众成员
而且,你知道,我们想和你进行一些进一步的讨论,从。夺回我们的国家。
埃隆·马斯克
嗯,谢谢。
主持人
当然。谢谢。
Elon Musk
Wow, this is a amazingly great energy. Thank you for coming.
Elon Musk
So I'm, I'm holding my phone since we're doing sort of a live spaces as well as a video cast. So I'm holding my phone for that reason. If you see me holding. Why is he holding his phone? This is, we're doing a live X spaces at the same time as a video stream. So I'll be able to take some questions from as many questions as possible from the audience and as well from people online. But as you can see, I'm obviously here in person.
Elon Musk
This is me, not a clone of me.
Elon Musk
The reason I'm here in person is because Pennsylvania is so important to the future of the, You know, You show what matters by your actions, not your words. And my actions are I'm here, I'm in Pennsylvania and I'm here for a very important reason. Which. Yeah. Which is I can't emphasize, I can't emphasize enough that Pennsylvania is I think the linchpin in the selection. And this election I think is going to decide the fate of America and along with the fate of America, the fate of western civilization.
Elon Musk
And I think the things we all want are simple, sensible, I mean, common sense things, you know, we obviously want. We want secure borders, we want safe cities, you know, sensible spending so that we don't have crazy inflation. We want freedom of speech, we want the Constitution to be upheld.
Moderator
And
Elon Musk
you know, you know, I've been told at times that these are like right wing values. I'm like, are you insane?
Elon Musk
There's literally the fundamental values that made America what it is today.
Elon Musk
And anyone who is against those things is fundamentally anti American and the hell with them.
Elon Musk
I see I'm getting a lot of agreement from everyone in this room.
Moderator
Yeah. So.
Elon Musk
And you know, so I actually lived in, in Pennsylvania for three years by the way. I'm no stranger to the state. I lived in the city for three years. I went to school here. So, you know, so I know the state. I'm not some, you know, just arrived situation. You know, I've been here, spent three years of my life here. So it's a great state. Love it, you know, and yeah, yeah, it was awesome. But you know, the thing is like I talking to friends of mine who like when I went to Japan it was very dangerous at the time, but everyone thought it would get better over, you know, would get better as the years went on.
Elon Musk
You know, one of the issues was like there would. Students would get killed from time to time and that was pretty bad obviously. And I was talking to someone who recently graduated from Penn. They said, actually, it's worse. And I'm like, it's worse?
Elon Musk
What the hell is going on? You know, it's like. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, the reality is that if someone is a violent criminal, you know, where they either are unable to control their violence or they like it, if you do not incarcerate them, they will hurt people. That's what it comes down to. So.
Elon Musk
So if you don't put hardened criminals in jail, they will kill people. That's what it comes down to. And that's. Unfortunately, the situation we have here is that the Democratic Party will not put hardened criminals in prison. And so they roam free and they prey upon you and your kids and your family and your friends. This is insane.
Elon Musk
How can we be, you know, the most powerful country in the world and. And it's. And you're not. It's. It's not safe to walk around our cities. What the hell is going on? Yeah, I mean, Soros, honestly, misanthropic, you know, for someone who has, you know, sort of claims to be doing good, but actually he is not, you know, he is tearing down the fabric of society.
Elon Musk
So terrible.
Elon Musk
Yeah. So. But I think it's just unbelievable that we. That, like, you should be able to feel safe walking around American cities. And it's not just, you know, it's. Philadelphia has a challenge. New York has a challenge. Every major city in the US like my, you know, my mom lives in New York, for example. Three of our friends have been assaulted on the street this year. You know, it's like. And it's getting worse. And now if.
Elon Musk
When she takes her dog for a walk, she has to stay, you know, inside of the building so that. So she can call for help if need be. This is not the future we want. And if we get. If we get four more years of this, I mean, we're going to be fully Mad Max. You know, it's like, it's nice to watch a Mad Max movie, but we don't want to be in the Mad Max movie. Okay.
Elon Musk
So.
Moderator
Yeah.
Elon Musk
You know, and then the. The whole border thing is just insane. Yeah. I always want to try to figure out what is the truth of the matter, what's really going on. So with on the border situation, it's like, is. Is it real or is it not real? So I went there in person, and I just literally livestreamed what I saw, and the, you know, our border looks like World War Z. Okay. It's like zombie apocalypse, you Know, it's insane.
Elon Musk
So this is. If you don't have a border, you don't have a country. Yeah, I mean, we're just saying, like, you know, we, we, we have to have real borders and. Or if you don't have real borders, you don't have a real country. And obviously, as someone who's an immigrant, I'm pro immigrant, I just want to make sure that people come here are going to be assets to society and that, that they're going to raise our standard living.
Elon Musk
You know, I think it's like, I think the sort of sports team analogy is a good one. So, like, let's say you're, you know, pro sports team, you want to win the championship, then. Well, you want aces on your team, obviously, because they help the whole team win. You know, so that. The same is true for immigration. If, you know, if we have this sort of equivalent of like, you know, Kobe Bryant or Steph Curry or LeBron or something like that, they want to join the team.
Elon Musk
Like, absolutely. Of course they do. You like winning? Yeah. Okay. But if they can't play basketball, they shouldn't be joining.
Elon Musk
So that's real important.
Elon Musk
And. Yeah, and then something that doesn't get a lot of attention is the fact that the federal government is spending America into bankruptcy, which is crazy. It's sort of. And that's really what leads to inflation, is that when the government spends more than it brings in, that's what causes inflation. Yeah. So it's just a pernicious tax. So there has to be much. We have to radically reduce the amount of government spending so that we don't rack up a debt that is impossible to repay and drive the country to bankruptcy.
Elon Musk
I mean, just basic stuff, really. You know, this shouldn't be controversial topics. It's just like normal common sense. Exactly.
Elon Musk
And you know, you're seeing all these attacks on freedom of speech and they're like attacking me for freedom. It's like, yo, that's the First Amendment. Like, literally the first one, you know, tells me it's a high priority.
Elon Musk
And the reason they had the First Amendment was because, you know, the countries people came from, if you spoke your mind, you'd be imprisoned or killed. That's why you have it. That's really important. And then the right to bear arms is also really important. That's there to protect, you know, The Second Amendment is there to protect the First Amendment.
Elon Musk
As soon as the government can decide, disarm the people, they can do anything they want. And you see, we've seen this in one country after another, they take the guns away from the people, then they. Then they do fake elections, and then the people try to protest and they just get shot. That's what happened in, in Venezuela recently. They had a fake election. Maduro lost, like, massively lost, like, you know, 70% loss.
Elon Musk
And he's like, oh, no, I won't.
Elon Musk
Everyone's like, oh, you didn't win. There were big protests in the street. But the thing is that Chavez, when he came into power, took away everyone's guns. So now you're facing, you know, soldiers with assault rifles. Were you going to throw some sticks at them or something? Use finger guns?
Elon Musk
It doesn't work. So Maduro, even though he lost the election, is still in power. And that's the, that's the kind of risk. Risk that we face. So. But we got to do everything possible to protect the Constitution. And I think this is. Yeah, So the, you know, for all those reasons, that's why, you know, after thinking about a heart, it was very clear to me that Donald Trump has to win this election. It really does.
Elon Musk
And so I think the most important thing that you can do and what I'm asking everyone to do is make sure that you're registered to vote, that, you know, and then vote early and then talk to your friends and family and everyone you know to make sure that they're registered to vote, because Monday is the deadline for voting registration. And honestly, this is. If there's ever a time to be a pest with your friends and family, this is the time.
Elon Musk
You know, just. Yeah, this is the time.
Elon Musk
Everyone you know, everyone you meet, everyone you run into, register them to vote and then get them to vote immediately.
Elon Musk
And we only have until Monday night to register to vote. So the next, basically three days are essential.
Elon Musk
And I think we see this election decided in Pennsylvania by. It could be 10,000 votes, it could be 1,000 votes, it could be 10 votes. It could be some very tiny number. So every incremental person is a huge difference.
Elon Musk
So, you know, I haven't been politically active before. I'm politically active now because I think the future of America and the future of civilization is at stake. So, Yeah, please go all out registering people. Three. We have three days. Let's go. Anything you possibly do. So with that, I'm happy to answer questions or take comments from the audience and. Yeah, thank you.
Audience Member
We'll do one question per person.
Elon Musk
Okay.
Moderator
Yeah, I have the mic.
Moderator
Yeah.
Moderator
All right, here, Elon, first of all, welcome to Ridley Township. Thank you, Delaware County. And welcome to Ridley School district in our beautiful high school.
Moderator
Because you made this your first stop, we'd love to make you an honorary Ridley Raider.
Elon Musk
Thank you.
Moderator
I'd like to give you the shirt football jersey. Sports is big in Ridley, big in Delaware county. This is Musk. 67 counties in Pennsylvania. We gotta turn every one of them red. Great.
Elon Musk
Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Moderator
First question, what can all of us hear? Everybody in this auditorium, everybody watching the livestream. What can we do now to make sure we get Donald Trump across the finish line in Pennsylvania and everywhere else in this country?
Elon Musk
Yeah, it's fundamentally, for the next three days, just everyone needs to focus on registering. Friends, family, acquaintances, everyone, you know, because if you're not registered by Monday, that's why I'm being sort of repetitive about this and really emphasizing this. Anyone not registered by Monday evening or if they're registered incorrectly, their vote won't count. They won't be able to vote. So we have three days.
Elon Musk
It's all about registration, registration, registration, registration, every single day. And like I said, this election could be decided by a handful of people. It could just be that a little bit of extra effort on voter registration decides the entire future of civilization. So that's why I'm saying, man, this is. If there's ever a weekend to spend going hog wild on registration, this is it.
Moderator
Yeah.
Audience Member
Hi, Elon, thank you so much for being here. It means so much, and I think it's really in line with your character as I've come to know you from listening to you speak in interviews. In addition to voting for Donald Trump, what can the average citizen do to help train I AI to be truth seeking?
Elon Musk
Well, I think definitely, you know, publicly pushing to ensure that that AI is truth seeking and is not sort of politically correct or which is. Means factually incorrect.
Elon Musk
That's. That's a big deal. Like, just speak out on. On social media and. And certainly complain loudly when. When other companies attempt to essentially program their AI with a dystopian San Francisco Berkeley philosophy. And if you want to know where that philosophy leads, just. Just walk around the streets of San Francisco, but be careful because do not get killed by a violent drug zombie because they're all over this down downtown sf.
Elon Musk
It's insane.
Elon Musk
So you can see, you know, where does that philosophy lead? And unfortunately, I think a lot of the AI is often programmed, you know, at least implicitly, with that misanthropic dystopian philosophy. Yeah.
Audience Member
Hi, Lon. Right here on your right.
Elon Musk
Sorry. With the lights in my eyes. And stuff. It's hard to see. So.
Audience Member
Hi, my name is Jasmine. I'm originally from Malaysia and I've been here 20 years. I came here legally. I see a lot of immigration and a lot of immigrants who came here legally. They all support Trump and they want a strong economy. They want, you know, family values and all that. And oh, by the way, I came here because my daughter goes through school, school here. She told me to come over. I used to be really, really active in promoting, you know, Trump campaign four years ago and I got burned out and I'm so frustrated and, and it's all because of the cheating.
Audience Member
So what are we going to do with that?
Elon Musk
Well, there is, I think, some amount of cheating that takes place. It's hard to. Because they've, you know, when you, when you have mail in ballots and no, no sort of proof of citizenship, it becomes almost impossible to prove. Cheating is the issue. So a lot of, you know, a lot of people on the Democratic side will say, there's no cheating, there's no cheating. And I'm like you, you've made it impossible to actually prove that it's that there's cheating.
Elon Musk
But the. Statistically, there are some very strange things that happen that, that are statistically incredibly unlikely.
Elon Musk
So, you know, there's always a question of like, say, the Dominion voting machines. It is weird that the, you know, I think they're used in Philadelphia and in Maricopa county, but not in a lot of other places. Doesn't that seem like a heck of a coincidence?
Elon Musk
So I think there's, that is, you know, in my view, we should only do paper ballots hand counted. That's it.
Audience Member
I mean,
Elon Musk
I'm a technologist, I know a lot about computers and I'm like, the last thing I would do is trust a computer program because it's just too easy to hack. It's too easy to add just one line and it's really difficult to hack paper ballots. So, you know, it's in person voting with, you know, proof of. Yeah, with id, which, by the way, every country has, I mean, like almost every country that has democratic elections requires in person voting with voter id.
Elon Musk
This is weird. It's super weird to not have that. I think that's the only way to effectively address fraud.
Elon Musk
You know, given that we are where we are today. I think we just need a very big margin of victory. You know, there's. Yeah, if the margin of victory is big enough, then, you know, as they say, it's got to beat the cheat. Yeah. So that's it.
Elon Musk
First off, you're my hero and I love your sneakers. Thank you.
Elon Musk
So if you do choose to be the head of the Department of Government Efficiency. Yeah, those. Yep.
Elon Musk
What do you think about. We stopped giving money to other countries such as Israel, Ukraine, and we stopped funding forever wars that most likely is going to the deep state anyway. Yeah, well, I think in general, the amount of waste that happens with the federal government is really staggering. It's a staggering amount of waste of taxpayer money. And if we're, you know, for any given expenditure, we have to say, well, what does this do for the citizens of America?
Elon Musk
Like, how is this good for the people of America? That's it's their money. Like, for some weird reason, you know, a lot of people in the sort of, you know, state or whatever, the politicians, they seem to forget that the money being spent is your money. And if it's not spending being spent in a way that is beneficial to the American people, it's a misuse of the funds. So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of money that's being spent where sort of illegals are getting more benefits than citizens.
Elon Musk
Like, what the heck is that? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah.
Audience Member
Hi, Elan. So as we bring government spending and look inward to our country, I am a government employee. I care about innovation and efficiency. With your vision for a department of Government efficiency, you know, what can we do? How can we support you? And also how can we spotlight the needs of people in North Carolina? The body count is abnormally underreported. You know, what can we. We do to press on that and to support people within our country?
Elon Musk
Sure. Well, I do think. I do think that, you know, government efficiency is not simply about reducing the size of government, but making sure that there are incentives for. For excellent work. You know, so if somebody's. Whatever you incent will happen. So if you have incentives for excellent work, and by the same token, if someone's not doing excellent work, they're exited. Just respect normal. That's really what happens in a properly functioning company.
Elon Musk
Is that your reward? Or think of a sports team. The players that are doing well, they get rewarded. In the players that are not doing well, they exit the team. And that should just be how it works. And I think that'll have a profound effect on the effectiveness of government, because whatever you insent will happen. So if the incentives are aligned with saving people in North Carolina, and then that's what will happen.
Elon Musk
But if, if, if, if, you know, if you have a sort of a failed Response to the disasters, to the hurricane disasters and no one even gets fired. Well, okay, what do you expect? No one's going to take action. You know, people have, if there's, if there's a track record of failure, you have to exit the people who failed. Otherwise people will look around and say, well, I guess I don't need to do anything because you know, the, nothing bad happens to you even if you do a terrible job and people die, which is insane.
Elon Musk
So.
Elon Musk
Hi Elon.
Moderator
Hi Elon.
Audience Member
Can you tell us about your trip to Israel?
Elon Musk
Yeah, I mean it was a very moving trip. So, you know, there's, yeah, it's a pretty moving trip.
Elon Musk
Definitely one of the toughest regions to, you know, like how do you, what, you know, what set of actions result in the greater good in Israel? I mean obviously, you obviously cannot have people who, you know, if they want to slow to everyone in Israel, you got to stop that. There's no, you know, there's no way.
Elon Musk
Yeah.
Elon Musk
Those people either need to be that they killed or incarcerated or they will simply try to kill more Israelis. This is what it amounts to, obviously. And they want to kill Americans too, by the way.
Elon Musk
Generally like Israel is referred to as the little Satan. In America we are the big Satan. That's what the Ayatollah calls us. So, you know, so I think,
Audience Member
you
Elon Musk
know, I think a lot of what's happening there is people are being taught to hate, you know, in Gaza from when they're children, they're taught to hate. And that, that's really the thing that, that needs to stop for the, to be, you know, long term, long term peace, hopefully is that you just cannot have the kids be taught to hate from the moment they can talk. That's fundamental. So.
Elon Musk
You know, so I think there's it's kind of a three step process process there which is, I've mentioned one has to do the difficult thing which is to. Yes, lemonade, a moss. Exactly. And then so, and then the, you know, I think also going, going forward, anyone who's teaching hatred in the, in Gaza or elsewhere, you know, they need to stop doing that. That can't be acceptable.
Elon Musk
And we have to stop yet. People, your kids being taught to hate America in America.
Audience Member
So.
Elon Musk
And then the third thing that's also very important is that there has to be economic prosperity in Gaza. So this is very difficult. It's like how do you sort of, you know, after terrible things have been done, you then have to sort of, you know, you have to bring prosperity to Gaza, you know, and that's, that's the thing that will ensure provided kids are not taught to hate and there's long term prosperity. I think there will be peace in Gaza.
Elon Musk
And we see an example of that after World War II where with Germany and Japan, you know, they were defeated. They obviously did terrible things, but changed the education system. And Unlike World War I, we helped rebuild Japan and Germany. The Marshall Plan, instead of exacting vengeance, America insisted, we're going to help rebuild Germany, we're going to help rebuild Japan. And now they are allies and there's been no war ever since.
Audience Member
And I want to say congratulations on
Elon Musk
the successful redocking of your rocket.
Audience Member
Big deal.
Elon Musk
And I'm gonna go.
Moderator
Yeah.
Elon Musk
I mean, honestly, it was a great week.
Elon Musk
Yeah, we had the Tesla sort of, sort of cool autonomous car and robot stuff, which I think is going to be really, really great.
Elon Musk
You know, I think, you know, who wouldn't want their own personal C3PO? R2D2. That'd be awesome. You know, so I think that we're going to build some awesome like helper robots and autonomous cars and then, I mean, this is a good day if you fate is smiling upon, upon us here.
Elon Musk
Thank you.
Elon Musk
We caught the rocket, which is just totally nuts. You know, you see that rocket booster? It's the largest, heaviest flying object ever made. And it just got caught by Mechazilla arms. You know, kind of like Karate Kid, but bigger. Catch on the fly with the chopsticks, you know. So my question is, do you think
Audience Member
there is a shadow government behind the Biden Harris administration?
Elon Musk
I mean, well, they put it this way, it's not Biden.
Elon Musk
We know that for a fact. Okay.
Elon Musk
Barely got two functional neurons. So, you know, it's like. And he just seems to be at the beach a lot and he's obviously not in charge. So I mean, when the polls started going low on Biden, he, you know, he, he was saying, oh, he's staying in the race, he's staying in the race. But then I guess the real powers that be told him he's not, you know, so, so who is it that's behind him? We know Obama.
Audience Member
Okay, but Obama,
Elon Musk
I mean, I'm just as curious as you are.
Elon Musk
You know, it is, it is. As far as I can determine, there isn't any one sort of puppet master. It's more like there's a thousand or a lot services.
Elon Musk
But I mean, I'd like to talk to them to understand more about. Listen, what are your goals, puppet masters? I'm just curious.
Elon Musk
I mean, maybe I agree with some of them. It's possible, but. But. But it's just obvious that. That Biden's on a charge. It's obvious that Kamala's not in charge. I mean, they just replaced the Biden puppet with the Kamala puppet very obviously. And. And so you can tell, like, if a teleprompter stops working, then the puppet stop breaks, and it's like, oh, the puppet just starts looping because the teleprompter broke.
Elon Musk
I don't have a teleprompter. I can just talk like a normal human. So.
Elon Musk
So, I mean, yeah, I think there's. It's not. From what I can tell, it's not one puppet master, it's many. But, you know, interesting to see the crossover between the Epstein client list and Kemala's puppet masters.
Elon Musk
I bet there's a lot of names that appear in both lists.
Moderator
Oh, sorry.
Elon Musk
Yeah. Did he too?
Moderator
Can you hit a little higher? So I'm.
Elon Musk
Did he did it.
Moderator
Elon, My name is Gregory Stenstrom. I'm from here, Delaware County.
Moderator
Two people who know me in my hands. You asked earlier you'd like to go to a hand count. We have three federal suits right now. One, because we know for a fact, and we have proof that the election code in the machines in Dominion and Hard and Pacific are fraudulent. Here. Right here in Delaware county, the Secretary of State for their elections, Jonathan Marks, admitted this in court last week.
Audience Member
Wow.
Elon Musk
He did.
Moderator
In court. On a transcript.
Audience Member
I didn't.
Elon Musk
I'd read about that for some reason. For some reason, the. How many people here legacy media didn't forgot to report about that one?
Moderator
How many people here know me? Quite a few.
Elon Musk
I. I mean, I. I usually keep up with these things and I did not know that.
Moderator
Well, we're also co defendants. Leah Hoops and myself, also from Delaware county, were co defendants with President Trump and Rudy Giuliani in a defamation suit where we proved over 952 days that there was massive election fraud in 2020. We proved it in court. It's a matter of public record. We also have the proof that the election machines that are currently being used are fraudulent. We have videos right now that I can show you of ballot boxes being stuffed here in Delaware County, Montgomery County, Chester county and across the state.
Elon Musk
Okay, we have that video.
Moderator
We have submitted this to the federal courts in three federal cases. We have a SCOTUS case right here. And the SCOTUS case is just simple. It asks the DOJ to remove. Rescind their policy, not to investigate election
Elon Musk
fraud, which seems crazy.
Moderator
We are being blocked.
Elon Musk
Yeah. I mean, this DOJ is doing a great. Don't know what. They just take the J out of their name, you know, Department of Injustice.
Moderator
What I'd like you to do, Elon, is I don't want to take too much time. And I know this is kind of a shock, but we have a book here. Parallel Election.
Moderator
I have a Supreme Court case.
Elon Musk
Yeah.
Moderator
And I have the federal suits here. We've called your people. We've called the people who are supposed to be helping. We have hundreds of people right now. Ready?
Elon Musk
Yeah.
Moderator
They're out taking videos. They're training poll workers. And we are not getting support from many of the people in the first front rows here. And their pictures, if you want to know who they are, are in this book.
Elon Musk
Well, let's.
Moderator
Let's listen.
Elon Musk
What I recommend. What I recommend is to post content on the exper platform and then. And then people can. Can it. Can. Can argue and say it's right or wrong or.
Moderator
And.
Elon Musk
And. But, you know, if you have videos or evidence, then post them publicly on. On social media. And. And then people can, you know, judge for themselves. Exactly. Okay, great. Excellent. Thank you.
Elon Musk
Anyway, let's not get contentious. This is a. I think, you know, teamwork makes the dream work here.
Moderator
And
Elon Musk
whatever the situation, I don't want to dissuade anyone from voting. It's very important to vote. So, you know, any actions with respect to voting machines and whatnot, we certainly want to put them under intense scrutiny, but nonetheless, everyone needs to vote. And like I said, if you leave here with one thing, the goal is to register as many people as possible to vote. That is the goal. And we only have until Monday night.
Elon Musk
That is the goal. One mission. Bam.
Audience Member
Hi, Elan. Thank you for being here. First, I want to thank you as somebody with a spinal cord injury for being innovative, because not many people are. I won't take up the time, but 18,000 people a year are injured. So thank you.
Elon Musk
Absolutely. And I'm hopeful that neuralink can do a lot, actually. You know, initially providing the ability for anyone who's lost the brain body connection to be able to interface with their phone and computer faster than a human with working hands, which is, I think, really cool. And then. But. But down the road, I think it will be possible to restore a whole body functionality if you have a neural link in the motor cortex that then shunts past where the neurons are damaged in the spine.
Elon Musk
I'm confident that long term you can actually restore people's ability to walk and use their hands.
Audience Member
I appreciate it. I would love to work with you on getting support around here, but.
Elon Musk
Well, yeah, in fact, well, one of the things that, you know, and to be, to be fair, the, the FDA has been within the context of their current rules have, has been actually quite supportive. They've given us sort of express lane, you know, because they've seen the quality of the work and the sophistication of the technology that they have given us sort of fast track approval. But, but still the, you know, our progress is limited by regulatory issues and that's the same thing that's happening with SpaceX.
Elon Musk
It's like SpaceX can build a giant rocket faster than the license can be processed by the, by the government, which is insane.
Elon Musk
So, you know, I should mention like one of the most fundamental things about V supporting and maybe the biggest showstopper of all for me in terms of why I feel Donald Trump must win, is that we have to have sensible regulations. We have so many regulatory, last time I checked, we have 428 regulatory, 428 agencies. There's like, so there's more than an agency a year has been created since the, since America was a country.
Elon Musk
Like we've got almost twice as many agencies as years that America has been a country, which means an agency has been created. You know, there's like sometimes two agent, two new agencies per year created, which is just madness. So America is being smothered by overregulation. It's like I call it slow strangulation by overregulation. That's the. Yeah.
Audience Member
I would like to ask about natural gas and lithium. That's kind of what Pennsylvania is rich of natural resources and fracking gas and lithium, which could benefit not only our state but our entire country, however many residents. And I have to be honest, along 350 miles of Pennsylvania had real challenges like eminent domain and the destruction of water sources, such as what happened with the Mariner east pipeline. How can we ensure that while utilizing these resources we work closely with local governments and residents without the federal government overreaching and forcing land from homeowners?
Audience Member
Effective communication with citizens and their involvement in these decisions is crucial. What role do you see for technology or private industry and making sure that this process is transparent and fair? Because believe you me, lots of people were forced with eminent domain and aquifers poisoned all across Pennsylvania, including our veterans. And this has been a real problem since 2016. So we want to support our workers and use our gas and, and I want it, but we need to be careful of what we're taking from people who've lived here, families for centuries, certainly.
Elon Musk
I mean, I believe in sensible regulation. So. But what I see happening is that there are all sorts of. There's a mountain of rules that actually don't benefit people, and then there's missing rules that do benefit people. So it's this bizarre Kafkaesque nightmare of regulations where ultimately the good of the people is not served and we get regulatory, regulatory delays for things that are, that are fake. Meanwhile, bad things are allowed to happen simply because someone filled out the paperwork and gained the system.
Elon Musk
So that's what I mean.
Moderator
It's.
Elon Musk
When I say the Department of Government Efficiency, I mean, I mean addressing, addressing, you know, any, any issue which is not in the interest of the people.
Elon Musk
And, you know, and, and we do need to at times fight against what large corporations are pushing for because some of them are very short term and they, some large corporations do bad things. Corporations are like people, like, some people are good people. It's like, you know, some, some corporations are good, some are sort of meddling and some, sometimes some corporations are bad. And it's just like people, you know, is the way to think of corporations.
Elon Musk
So we've got to stop the corporations that want to do bad things, make sure they're doing things that are in the interest of the people. And then corporations that want to do good things, they shouldn't be slowed down by smothering regulation.
Elon Musk
Yeah, absolutely.
Elon Musk
Yeah, yeah. And I think these things should be done very much in the open so people can understand what's going on and nothing, you know, in the shadows. So sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Elon Musk
Hey, Elon, how are you? I'm Rob. These are two tough acts to follow here, but my question is a little more simple. What are some of the, the first courses of action you plan to take is ahead of government efficiency if Trump gets elected? And do you have any areas of concern in particular?
Elon Musk
Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I definitely, you know, the focus right now is making sure that Trump wins the election, otherwise it doesn't matter. And I think if Trump loses, we're going to see, you know, our studies are going to get less safe, borders obviously going to be wide open. We're going to see government spending go ballistic. It's inflation go nuts. It's going to be just bad on every level. And like, fundamentally, if the current trend
Moderator
of
Elon Musk
strangulation by overregulation is not turned around, we'll never get to Mars, it just will be illegal. And there will be a one planet civilization. There won't be a space bearings civilization. And Starfleet will never be real and we want Starfleet to be real.
Elon Musk
So, you know, I've had quite a bit of interaction with the government, you know, because SpaceX is the biggest NASA contractor. Actually. There's, there's a lot of work for NASA and I'm a big fan of the agency by the way. But, but it's, but there's, you know, there are expenditures that don't make a lot of sense that are wasteful and we need to put a stop to that. Honestly, the. There's so much government waste that's going on that I would call it a target rich environment.
Elon Musk
Like, it's hard in every direction. There's this just mad waste. And I think simply, if people simply know that, well, if they waste a ton of taxpayer money, they're going to get fired, that will immediately improve the situation. Immediately.
Elon Musk
It's like, yeah, it's just literally. And I think, but actually it's got to be both carrot and stick. It's like, so if a government official is very effective in spending your money to your tax preparer money is your money.
Elon Musk
If they're effective in spending your money, they should be promoted, they should be rewarded. And if they waste your money or do it just something that's basically corruption. They should be fired. Obviously, you know, they have a duty to spend your money. Well, yeah. Hey, Elon, as a veteran who was deployed because what would you say to an administration and a candidacy that is spreading lies or disinformation about the troops that are currently in combat, my friends.
Audience Member
Yeah.
Elon Musk
Can you believe that was it? And Hunter Biden's laptop presence decline and so on? Yeah. I mean, during the, the, you know, Trump Kamala debate, she said there was no active duty soldiers out there. I'm like, I know a whole bunch of them. What are you talking about? That's this, that's so. That's a shameful, terrible lie.
Elon Musk
And she wasn't even fact checked. And I'm like, are you kidding?
Elon Musk
I mean, yeah, thank you.
Elon Musk
Yeah. And I'd just like to say for the people, for the Americans out there who are serving in dangerous places right now, unlike what Kamala said. Thank you for your service to the country,
Moderator
Elon.
Elon Musk
Thank you for stepping up to help America when you don't have to. Like, you could be on an island right now. Yeah, Yeah, you know, I could be, you know.
Moderator
Yeah.
Elon Musk
I have a lot of jobs, so no, it's true. I mean there are, you know, a lot of people I know who are on a yacht, sipping a Mai tai, whatever, in an island, you know, having. And you know, that is a thing I could be doing but I think I can't do that if I think the future of civilization is at stake, which I do.
Elon Musk
My question, my question, question for you, I guess one, do you know Alberto Kangawala? He's the system manager for Europa Clipper. Oh, which you said that's a cool mission by the way. Which you sent into space on Monday. Yeah, thank you very much. Absolutely. In fact that was a mission where I talked to, you know, SpaceX team. It's like, you know, every mission's important but you know, this mission's extra important.
Elon Musk
So. Yeah, because I'm actually, and you know, I want to, I think like you like, I think any most people, I want a future where you look forward to it and you're excited about what's going to happen, that we're going to learn new things, that we're, you know, we're going to, it's going to be better than the past, you know, and a future where we're a space faring civilization, we're out there among the stars where Star Trek is real.
Elon Musk
You know, that's exciting. I mean they have to be like life can't just be about solving one problem after another. There have to be things that inspire you, that move your heart.
Elon Musk
Yeah, that's a hard one to build, but at some point we should build a warp drive. But you know, but even without the warp drive, the, you know, the starship, the rocket made by SpaceX is capable of building a city on Mars and a city on the moon. That's what it's designed to do. But we're being massively slowed down by regulatory molasses. I mean I'll tell you like a crazy thing, like we got fined $140,000 during launch, you know, what a cool launch pad overheat.
Elon Musk
And in an excess of caution, we actually brought in drinking water. So clean, super clean water. And the FAA said no, you have sky water falls all the time. That is the same as the water that we used. It's lots of sky water.
Elon Musk
So. And they're not going to process any of our future applications. So like this is the kind of crazy stuff we're dealing with.
Elon Musk
Yeah, so.
Audience Member
Hi Elon, my name is Sarah, I'm from Philadelphia. I have a whole team here. I first of all, I am really excited about your really quickly I would like to sincerely like to. To accept our protocol. I mean, the proposal.
Audience Member
And, you know, we want to have some further discussion with you from. To take our country back.
Elon Musk
Well, thank you.
Moderator
Sure. Thanks.