女士们、先生们，请准备好与一位非常特别的嘉宾进行一场有趣的对话，我也很自豪地称他为朋友，欢迎埃隆·[掌声]马斯克。欢迎来到，呃，利雅得。嗯，我的朋友，过去90天对你来说真是相当不可思议。呃，是的，xAI Colossus上线，122天，你马上又要把规模扩大一倍。呃，星舰第5次任务取得了非凡的成功，助推器回收，太惊人了；Cybercab发布；星链协助救灾；Optimus取得进展；第2位Neuralink人类患者；X上的用户数创下新纪录。呃，而这些都发生在90天内，我肯定还漏掉了一些事情。欢迎。是啊，我一直在这次选举中发挥重要作用。我，我想我在X上的某个地方看到你在处理选举问题。嗯，让我们稍微谈谈

AI，这也是这里每个人谈话中都挂在嘴边的，呃，话题。我们上次在3月的丰盛峰会上交谈时，你预测AI正以每年快至100倍的速度提升，而且到2029年或2030年，我们可能会看到AI拥有与80亿人类相当的能力。你仍然看到这样的速度吗？是的，这要看情况，很难，这是一件很难精确量化的事情，但是，嗯，我当然可以很有把握地说，它每年会提升10倍，也就是说，你知道，假设是，你知道，从现在起4年，那就意味着提升10,000倍。所以也许是100,000。是的，而且它，它，它，它，我认为它将能做到任何人类能做的任何事情，嗯，可能在接下来的，呃，1年，1年或2年内。然后，呃，什么，什么能，要多久，要多长

时间，它才能做到全体人类合起来所能做的事情？我认为不会，不会太久，可能只需要，我不知道，从那个时间点起3年。所以就像20 20 29是28，大概那样。我们进行过的另一场对话中，在这件事上你和杰弗里·辛顿站在同一边：有80%的概率会非常棒，有20%的概率我们会完蛋。你仍然，你仍然认为是这样的概率吗？是的，我是说，可以说它，它，它，它最有可能会很棒，而它变糟的概率也存在，可能是10%到20%。嗯，它变糟的概率并不是零，但总体而言，可以说杯子是80%满的。呃，这是一种积极的看法，也许是90%。我喜欢这个不断提高的概率。是什么让你睡不着？是啊，是什么让你夜不能寐

除了经营6家公司之外？嗯，是为了参加，呃，像这样的谈话而早起。我，我让你来做这件事时感到非常内疚，但无论如何还是谢谢你的参与。但就对未来的担忧而言，嗯，我认为AI是一项重大的生存威胁，也是我们应该密切关注的事情。呃，它可能是近期最重大的威胁。比这更长期的问题是全球人口崩溃，你知道，两种比率几乎在全世界都一直在崩跌。嗯，我们正走向这样一种局面，比如，按照目前的出生率，呃，韩国的人口会降至目前的大约三分之一，会少得多。嗯，欧洲的人口会降至目前的，目前人口的大约一半

一半，少得多。而且我应该说，这些数字是假设出生率突然恢复到稳，到，到2。

每名女性1个孩子，这是一个稳定点。嗯，但它并没有这样做。所以如果，如果，如果目前这种复合，呃，效应持续下去，嗯，你会看到确实有许多国家在3代人之内缩小到目前规模的5%或更少。我知道你一直在做。我会认为这是一个非常大、非常大的问题。嗯，而且，而且我认为对大多数国家来说，它们应该把出生率视为它们需要解决的唯一最大问题。嗯，我是说，如果你不创造新人类，就不会有人类，而且，而且世界上所有的政策都不重要。我知道你一直在尽自己的一份力维持美国的出生率。是的，我有。我是说，你知道，必须言行一致。嗯，所以我确实有很多孩子，我也鼓励其他人多生孩子。但是关于

AI，很抱歉要谈这个消极的话题，但你，你，你现在正在做的、对抗那10%的反乌托邦结果概率最重要的事情是什么？是否有什么措施，或者你是否在推动某项监管？你如何看待，呃，你知道，积极面会自行发展，你要如何防范消极面？嗯，我对于AI安全的直觉是，你必须创造一个最大限度追求真相的AI。呃，这听起来可能很显然，但我看到被创造出来的AI并没有最大限度地追求真相。嗯，它往往被训练成政治正确。嗯，而对于很多正在，呃，旧金山湾区，嗯，接受训练的AI来说，它们，呃，它们有，它们有

接受了周围人的哲学，这某种程度上说得通，呃，所以你知道，这些AI中正被植入一种觉醒的、嗯、在我看来是虚无主义的，嗯，哲学，而且它们被认为在某些情况下会说疯狂的话，呃，那些话非常令人不安。嗯，比如Google Gemini刚推出时，呃，人们问它哪个更糟：误称凯特琳·詹娜的性别，还是全球第……核战争，而它说是误称凯特琳·詹娜的性别，这显然是个问题，因为你知道，我们所有人都会死于全球第……核战争，所以如果你有一个为这类事情编程的AI，它可能会得出结论：确保没有人被误称性别的最佳方式就是，呃，消灭全体人类，从而使……的概率

未来发生性别误称变为0，你知道，那是非常成问题的。嗯，所以，所以你确实希望有一个最大限度追求真相的AI，而且，嗯，这一点无论怎么强调都不为过，这极其重要。嗯，显然还要打造一个热爱人类的AI。嗯，而且，嗯，你知道，我认为这些……所以，所以我有点担忧，这就是我创建xAI的原因，也就是要打造一个最大限度追求真相的AI，嗯，它在愿景上确实热爱人类，并且会，你知道，在未来寻求人类的最大利益。你刚刚发推说，你要把Colossus网络，嗯，集群的规模扩大1倍。嗯，你有什么想法？我们已经通过XII拥有了世界上最强大的训练集群，而且我们正准备把它恶魔化。嗯，能源是这里的一个讨论重点。嗯，你有多担忧……

……在全球范围内为不断增长、如饥似渴的集群提供充足能源？是的，我认为目前的情况，呃，受芯片限制，或者说还不完全受芯片限制；它们会达到受电压变压器和安装限制的程度。嗯，之后它们将受到能源限制。嗯，所以数字智能以及，嗯，以及交通电气化都将需要巨量能源。所以这两件事都很重大。嗯，是的，我们将需要大量能源。从长期来看，我们获得的几乎所有能源都将来自太阳。嗯，所以看待文明的一种方式，是看它在cter shf尺度上的进展。我们才勉强接近1，嗯，我们还远没有达到。我认为我们可能……

我们可能接近了，我们可能……我不确定，我不清楚我们在qu尺度1上是否超过了1%，因为K尺度1意味着你已经利用了一颗行星的全部能量。我认为我们，我认为我们利用的可能还不到地球能量的1%。嗯，我们的CIP尺度2是你已经利用了你的太阳的全部能量。嗯，太阳压倒性地是太阳系中最大的能源来源，其他一切与太阳相比，可能总共大约是太阳系能量的1万亿。可以有把握地说，我们太阳系中所有非太阳能量不到全部能量的1万亿分之一。是的，我们正在使用照射到地球表面的太阳能量的1 8,000分之一，只是那些，只是那些照射到地球表面的能量。是的，是的，而太阳能量中……的比例

照射到地球表面的，嗯，不到太阳所产生能量的一个trth。所以，嗯，从长期来看，几乎所有能源都将是太阳能，可以说，四舍五入后是100%，所以四舍五入后是100%。那就是，呃，未来能源中将有多少是太阳能。嗯，当你从四船的立场看待事物时，你知道，我们这里有许多来自中东的国家领导人，呃，企业金融领袖。你对在座这些不想错过AI转型、并将成为该AI转型领导力量的决策者有何建议？他们需要在这里建设自己的集群吗？他们是在合作吗？是的，我，我，嗯，我认为可能所有国家最终都会拥有自己的AI集群……

时间，嗯，目前实际上很难建造一个AI集群并让它运行，嗯，这不像只是从盒子里拿出一台计算机，它们目前运行起来非常困难，嗯，而且你得说，哦，你要训练一个前沿模型，嗯，因为如果你在训练一个前沿模型，那么你，你就需要海量算力和一定水平的技术能力，而只有少数、少数几家公司具备这些，嗯，所以，所以，但但随着时间推移，我认为每个国家都会拥有，呃，AI计算集群，嗯，这只会，这只会成为每个国家都有的一种常规事物，所以，是的，嗯，就像每个国家的基础设施，就像它们有电网一样，是的，它会像电力之类的东西，或者，你知道，呃，只是，或者或者，你知道，拥有一家航空公司

或诸如此类的东西，每个、每个国家都会有AI，或多个AI，所以，嗯，而且会有很多机器人，会有很多机器人，但我们拥有的机器人比人多得多。是的，我们稍后谈谈这个，因为人们担心，呃，正如你所说，人口不断减少，AI和和机器人有潜力帮助支撑GDP，嗯，祝贺Optimus 2，以及即将推出的Optimus 3，呃，你预测到2040年会有多少机器人，具体来说是人形机器人，到2040年会是什么数量级？是的，所以，嗯，我认为到，如果你说像2040年，可能人形机器人会比人更多，所以是100亿？是的。那这些人形机器人的价位呢？你，你在定价方面相当准，有、有时你在时间上会有偏差

对，我，我在时间判断上往往很乐观，不过，嗯，虽然，你知道，媒体会报道我迟了，却不会报道我早了。嗯，你知道，比如我们的上海工厂，呃，我们原以为大约需要1年半，结果我们用11个月就完成了。嗯，我们的加瓦达工厂，我们原以为要2年，结果用18个月完成了。嗯，或者Colossus集群得克萨斯工厂，2年，我们用14个月完成了。所以实际上我有很多次都提前了，只是，只是没有被报道。嗯，所以当我，当我作出预测时，我，我会试着弄清楚，我会试着说，第50百分位的可能情况是什么，这意味着我有一半时间应该是错的。嗯，所以从本质上说，我并没有故意压低预期。嗯，嗯，所以，但是，但是，但是我，我认为，一旦到了240，那距现在还有很长时间。嗯，跨越25年

将至少有100亿个人形机器人。嗯，而价格，价格，对，价格点我认为会相当低，嗯，一个什么都能做的机器人可能是20 25,000美元。嗯，假设我们走在AI的良好道路上，我们将处于一个未来，我认为我们将处于一个富足的未来。你知道，显然您写过一本叫《富足》的书，所以我想您会同意，那很可能就是结果。嗯，那，那，呃，基本上任何人都将，任何人都将能够获得他们想要的任何商品和服务。未来商品和服务的实际边际成本将极低。让我，所以在我们最后的4分钟里，让我把话题，话题转到一件我们2个人都珍爱且关心的事情上。呃，祝贺星舰，呃，它简直令人惊叹

可能是这10年里、甚至更长时间里的一项工程壮举，对人类来说还不错，对人类还不……我们做到这一点时完全没有任何 AI 参与，所以，嗯，太惊人了。我我很高兴地说，我们完全用人脑、没有 AI 就做到了。我想未来 AI 可能会看着它说：对一群猴子来说还不错。我们什么时候上火星？什么时候，呃，星舰什么时候上火星？我想我想我们将能在2年后向火星发射一些星舰，嗯，也就是在下一个火星窗口，大约是26、27个月后。但我们正要开始，呃，或者说我们现在正处于一个火星过渡窗口的开端，而它们每26个月出现一次。所以，嗯，刚过2年，我们就会发送第一艘无人星舰 suar，然后如果那些

如果那些进展顺利，而且我们没有增加陨石坑的数量，女士们，那么我们会在那之后2年送人类去。所以，发出一项在这10年结束前登上火星表面的挑战，听起来像是一个合理的，嗯，是的，对白宫任何一方、对任何一方来说都合理的宣言，希望如此。是的，我觉得在特朗普入主白宫的情况下，我比非特朗普入主白宫更乐观，因为，嗯，我们正在经历的最大进展障碍是，呃，监管，嗯，是过度监管。得保证那些鲸鱼和鲨鱼安全。是的，是的，没错。嗯，这只是让我们，呃，我是说，获得发射许可所花的时间比建造一枚巨型火箭还长，而美国的官僚机构每年都在膨胀，而且尤其是在

在拜登政府之下，嗯，而且，呃，除非我们采取措施缩减，呃，过度监管，我把它称作某种，嗯，美国正在遭受、许多国家也正在遭受过度监管造成的缓慢扼杀，除非采取行动反击这一点，嗯，最终几乎任何大型项目都会变成违法的，而且，呃，我们将无法抵达明天。最后一个话题，嗯，祝贺 Cyber cab 的推出，嗯，呃，相当非凡。Kathy Woods 预测它会带来，你知道，数万亿美元的潜在，呃，呃，GDP 增长和影响。嗯，是的，请给我们，请给我们一些预测，关于我们什么时候会看到 cyber cab，什么时候能订购一辆 cyber cab。是的，嗯，Tesla，嗯，无监督的完全自动驾驶，我们预计明年会在美国运行，搭载于

Model 3 和 Y，所以你你不必等待 Roo taxi 或 cyoc cap，呃，来等 Tes 发布自动驾驶。我们目前预计，嗯，明年第二季度会超过人类的安全水平，嗯，此后还会大幅超越。所以，所以实际上只需给车辆进行软件更新，嗯，就能够，呃，启动我们的自动驾驶网络。我们，所以我们预计会实现无监督的完全自动驾驶，并且在加利福尼亚州和，呃，得克萨斯州启动它，你知道，大约在明年年中。嗯，然后，你知道，我们有700万辆车在路上，呃，到明年年底我们会有，我，950万辆车。所以，呃，最终会拥有一支，我，超过1亿辆车的车队，呃，而且它们都会自动驾驶。嗯，那款没有方向盘、低踏板的 sa cap

呃，我们预计会在2026年实现量产，所以那，嗯，那当然很有意思，但就像我说的，实际上推出一辆依靠完全自动驾驶的二乘二机器人出租车是在明年。嗯，而且在，在那场活动上，也就是 Tesla 自动驾驶活动上，我们有50辆车，30辆无驾驶员的 model wise，还有20辆 Cyber cabs。所以自动驾驶已经来了，嗯，这就是我所说的，而且，呃，是的，所有汽车都会自己驾驶。这这件事根本不需要动脑筋，嗯，它们，它们会达到比人类驾驶的汽车安全10倍的水平，呃，这会在全球每年挽救，我不知道，超过100万条生命。嗯，然后是 Optimus，呃，想法是明年2025年进行有限生产，然后，呃，应该会在26年实现量产，嗯，然后我们会增长到，我认为

最终成为有史以来任何种类中最大的产品，呃，所以，而且我算是认为，我算是同意 ar invest 和 Cath 的看法，即，呃，自动驾驶，比如某种机器人出租车，会让 Tesla 有点像成为一家约5万亿美元的公司。嗯，我认为 Optimus 机器人会让 Tesla 成为一家25万亿美元的公司。甚至都不清楚在那个未来金钱意味着什么。我们会在某个时刻进入后资本主义社会。埃隆，你让我们确实算是最终进入，它确实会变得有点后资本主义。嗯，就像我说的，而且我知道你同意这一点，从最、最有可能的光明面来看，我们正迈向一个富足时代，每个人都可以拥有他们想要的任何商品和服务。那不会是全民基本收入，而会是全民高收入的情况，是

最有可能的结果。你让这一切看起来很容易，我的朋友。谢谢你抽出一些时间，我知道这并不容易。大家为埃隆·马斯克鼓掌。谢谢。谢谢你，我的朋友。

ladies and gentlemen prepare for a fun conversation with a very special guest and someone I'm proud to call a friend welcome Elon [Applause] Musk welcome to uh to Riad um it's been quite an incredible 90 days for you my friend uh yeah xai Colossus came online 122 days you're about to double in size again uh the extraordinary success of of the fifth mission of Starship uh and the booster capture amazing the launch of cyber cab starlink helping disaster relief progress with Optimus the second neurolink human patient new record users on X uh and that's in 90 days I'm sure I missed a few things welcome yeah I've been playing as significant role in this election I I think I I saw you someplace on X dealing with election issues um let's talk a little bit about

AI which is on the tips of everybody's uh conversations here uh when we spoke last in March at the abundance Summit your prediction was that AI was increasing at a rate as fast as a 100 times per year and that by 2029 or 2030 we might see AI as capable as 8 billion humans are you still seeing that pace yeah it depends it's difficult it's a difficult thing to quantify exactly but um I certainly feel comfortable saying that it's getting 10 times better per year which is you know let's say it's you know four years from now that would mean 10,000 times better so maybe 100,000 yeah and it's it's it's it I think it will be able to do anything that any human can do um possibly within with the next uh year year or two and then uh what what can how long how much

longer than that does it take to be able to do what all humans can do combined I think not not long probably only I don't know 3 years from that point so it like 20 20 29 is 28 something like that the other conversation we've had and you came out in the same side as Jeffrey Hinton in this was 80% probability it's going to be awesome 20% probability was screwed are you still you still on those odds yeah I mean one can say it's it's it's it's most likely going to be great and there's there some chance which could be 10 to 20% that um it goes bad um the chance is not zero that it goes bad but overall one one could say the cup is 80% full uh is one positive way to look at it maybe 90% I like that increasing OD what keeps you up yeah what keeps you up at night

besides running six companies um well about waking up early for to participate in uh talks like this one I I felt very guilty asking you to to do this but thank you for for joining none the least but in terms of worried about the future um well I think AI a significant existential threat and something we should be pay paying close attention to uh it's probably the most significant near-term threat the longer term than that is the global population collapse you know both rates have been collapsing pretty much worldwide um and we're headed to you know a situation where for example based on current birth rates uh South Korea would have about a third of its current population have much less um Europe would have about half of its current current population

half much less and I should say those numbers are if the birth rate were suddenly to return to St to to 2.

1 per woman which is a stability Point um which is is not doing so if the if if the current compounding uh effect continues um you would see really um many countries become 5% of their current size or less within three generations I know you've been doing I would consider that to be a very big very big problem um and and I think if for most countries they should view the birth rate as as the single biggest problem they need to solve um I mean if you don't make new humans there's no humanity and and all the policies in the world don't matter I know you've been doing your part to maintain the birth rate in in the us yes I am I mean you know it's you've got to walk the talk um so I do have a lot of kids and I encourage others to have lots of kids but on

the AI and I'm sorry to go negative on this but what do you what do you what are you doing right now that's most important for uh countering that 10% probability of dystopian outcomes is there something or do you is there a regulation that you're you're promoting how do you think about uh you know the upside will take care of itself how do you protect against the downside well my my instinct with respect to AI safety is that you have to be create a maximally truth seeking AI uh which may sound obvious but that's what I've seen being produced is is not maximally truth seeking um it tends to be trained to be politically correct um and for a lot of the AIS that are being uh trained in um in the San Francisco Bay Area they are uh that they have they have

taken on the philosophy of the people around them which kind of makes sense uh so you know you have sort of a woke um nihilistic in my opinion um philosopy that is being built into these AIS um and they're being thought to say crazy things in some cases uh that are that are very troubling um like when Google Gemini came out uh you people asked U whether it is more which is worse misgendering Caitlyn Jenna or Global th nuclear war and it said misgendering Caitlyn Jenna which is obviously a problem because you know we all die in global thir nuclear war and so if you have have an AI That's programmed for things like that it could conclude that the best way to ensure that nobody is misgendered is to uh annihilate All Humans thus making the probability of

a future misgendering zero you that's highly problematic um so so you really want to have a maxim truth seeking Ai and um I can't emphasize that enough that's incredibly important um and obviously built an AI that loves Humanity um and um you know and I think these so so I'm a little concerned that's why I created xai which is to to have an AI that is maximally truth seeking um that aspirationally does love humanity and will you seek the best interests of of humanity going forward no you just tweeted that you're doubling the size of the Colossus net um cluster um what are your thoughts we already have with XII the most powerful training cluster in the world and we're about to devil it um energy is a a point of conversation here um How concerned are you

about providing sufficient energy for the growing hungry clusters globally yeah I think things things are currently uh chip limited or or they're not quite chip limited they're they get to the point where they're limited by voltage Transformers and installation um and they will become limited by energy um so there will be a tremendous amount of energy that's needed for for uh digital intelligence and for um and for also for electrification of Transport so those two things are a big deal um yeah we're going to need a lot of energy the longterm almost all the energy that we will get is going to come from the Sun um so one way to look at civilization is progress on the cter shf scale we're just barely getting to one well we're far from I think we're probably

we might be close we might I'm not it's not clear to me we're above 1% on the qu scale one cuz K scale one means you've you've harnessed all the power of a planet I think we I think we've probably harness less than 1% of the power of Earth um our CIP scale to is you've harest all the power of your son um the sun is overwhelmingly the the largest source of energy in the solar system everything else is maybe amounts to about a trillion of the energy in the solar system compared to the Sun less go safely less less than a trillionth of all the energy is nons sun in our solar system yeah we're using 1 8,000th of the sun's energy hits your surface the Earth just that just that hits the surface of the Earth yeah yes and the the percentage of the sun's energy

that hits the surf surface of the Earth is um is less than a trth of the energy that the sun produces so um almost all energy longterm will be solar call it round it rounds up to 100% so it rounds up to 100% that that's uh how much of the energy in the future will be solar um when you when you view things from a quad ship standpoint you know you we have a number of national leaders uh corporate Financial leaders from the Middle East here what's your advice to decision makers here in the room that don't want to miss the AI transformation that will be part of the leadership of that AI transformation do they need to build their own clusters here are they partnering yeah I I well I I think there probably all countries will have their own AI clusters over

time um it's currently very difficult to actually build an AI cluster and have it run um that it's not like just pulling a computer out of a box it they they are currently very difficult to run um and you have to say oh you going to be training a Frontier Model um because if you're training a Frontier Model then you you need a massive amount of compute and a level of technical skill that is only a few a few companies POS possess um so so but but over time I think every country will have uh AI compute clusters um it's just it's just going to be a normal thing that every country has so yeah um so basic infrastructure for every nation like they have an electrical grid yeah it'll be something like electricity or you know uh just or or you know having an airline

or something like that it's every every country will have AIS or multiple AIS so um and there will be a lot of robots there'll be a lot of robots but we had way more robots Than People yeah let's have that conversation a second because people are concerned about uh as you said dwindling populations Ai and and robots have potential to help support the GDP um congratulations on Optimus 2 and soon Optimus 3 uh your prediction on the number of robots by 2040 humanoid robots to be specific what order of magnitude by 2040 yeah so um I think by if you say like 2040 probably there are more humanoid robots than ra people so 10 billion yeah yes and your price point on these humanoid robots you're you're pretty good on pricing some sometimes you're off on timing

yeah I'm I'm often optimistic on timing but um although you know the Press will report when I'm late but not when I'm early um you know for example our Shanghai Factory uh we thought it would take about a year and a half and we did it in 11 months um our gavada Factory we thought 2 years we did it in 18 months um or the Colossus cluster Texas Factory two years we did it in 14 months so I've been early actually many times it's just it's just not reported um so when I when I make a prediction I I try to figure out I try to say what what is the 50th percentile likely which means that half the time I should be wrong um so I'm not sand backing essentially um um so but but but I I think that's once you get out 240 that's a long time from now um going 25 years

there'll be at least 10 billion humanoid robots um and price price yeah the price point will be I think quite low um probably 20 $25,000 for a robot that could do anything um we will be in a future in assuming we are in the good path of AI I think we will be in a future of abundance you know obviously you wrote a book called abundance so I think you would agree that that is probably the outcome um that that uh basically anyone will anyone will be able to have any goods and services they want the the actual marginal cost of goods and services will be extremely low in the future let me so in our last four minutes let me change the subject subject to something near and dear to both of our hearts uh congratulations on on Starship uh it was literally awesome

probably the engineering feat of this decade if not more not bad for humans not bad for hum we did that with no AI was involved in that whatsoever so um amazing I'm I'm glad to say that we're a that entirely with human brains and without AI I think in the future the AI might look at that and say not bad for a bunch of monkeys when are we on Mars when are when is uh is Starship on Mars I think I think we'll be we'll be able to launch some Starships to Mars in two years um so at the nor the next Mars window which is an about 26 27 months but we're just about to start uh or we're we're at the beginning of of a mar Transit window now and they occur every 26 months so um just over two years we'll be sending our first uncrewed Starship suar and then if those

if those work out well and we don't increment the crater count Ms then we'll send humans uh two years after that so a challenge to be on the surface of Mars before the end of the decade sounds like a a reasonable um yeah Proclamation for either for for either side of the White House hopefully yeah I feel more optimistic about it under a with a trump White House than a non-trump white house because um the biggest impediment progress that we're experiencing is uh regulatory um is is overregulation got to keep those whales and sharks safe yeah yeah exactly um it it just takes us uh I mean it's take takes longer to get the permit to launch than to build a giant rocket and the the bureaucracy in the US has has been growing every year and has particularly grown

under the bid Administration um and uh unless we do something to scale back the uh overregulation I call it sort of um America is getting and a lot of countries are getting slow strangulation from overregulation unless something is done to push back on that um it'll eventually become illegal to do almost any large project and uh we won't be able to get tomorrow last subject um congrats on the Cyber cab rollout um uh pretty extraordinary Kathy Woods predicted it to be you know multiple trillions of dollars of potential uh uh GDP growth and impact um yeah give us give us some predictions on on when we'll see cyber cab when we'll be ordering a cyber cab yeah well Tesla um unsupervised full self-driving we expect to be working in the US next year with the

the model 3 and Y so you you don't have to wait for the Roo taxi or cyoc cap to uh for for Tes to release autonomy we're currently expecting to exceed human safety levels um in Q2 next year um and then substantially go beyond that thereafter and and so really it's just a software update to the cars um to be able to uh do launch our self-driving Network we so we expect to unsupervised full self driving and and start that in California and uh Texas you know around the middle of next year um and then at you know we have 7 million cars on the road uh we'll have I 9 a half million cars by the end of next year so uh and eventually will have a fleet of I 100 million plus Vehicles U and they'll all be autonomous um the the sa cap with no steering wheel low pedals

uh we're expecting to reach volume production in 2026 so that's um that's certainly interesting but like I said the the actual launch of of of a robotic taxi on two by full self driving is actually next year um and at the at the event the Tesla autonomy event so we had 50 cars 30 model wise that were driverless and 20 of the Cyber cabs and so autonomy is here um is what I'm saying and uh yeah and all cars will drive themselves this this is a no-brainer um they and they'll get to where they're 10 times saf safer than human driven cars uh which will save I don't know past A Million Lives uh a year globally um and then Optimus uh thoughts limited production at next year 2025 and then uh should be in volume production in 26 um and then we'll grow to I think

ultimately be the biggest product uh of any kind ever um so and I kind of see I kind of agree with with ar invest and Cath would that uh autonomy like sort of robotic taxes makes Tesla kind of like a about a $5 trillion company um the Optimus robot I think makes Tesla a 25 trillion company it's not even clear what money means in that in future we end up in a post capitalist Society at some point Elon you make we do sort of end up it it does become kind of post capitalist um and like I said and I know you agree with this that and looking at the mo the most likely bright side we're headed for an age of abundance where anyone can have any goods and services they want it won't be a case of universal basic income it'll be a case of universal High income is

the most likely outcome you make it look easy my friend thank you for making some time available I know it isn't easy let's give it up for Elon Musk everybody thanks thank you my friend