亲爱的什，亲爱的朋友德，总统林，尽管存在一些情况，我怀着极大的荣幸和激动之情，将从雅典远程参加这个标志性的领导人论坛，参与毫不妥协地反对、反对反犹主义和拉斯的斗争。请放心，我对我们共同目标的奉献依然坚定不移：缅怀并尊崇可怕的大屠杀这一最严重反人类罪行的悲剧受害者，并进一步履行我们共同的责任，绝不重演。如果不久的将来，大屠杀纪念领导人论坛能在艾恩斯，或者更好是在塞萨洛尼基举办，我们希腊人将深感荣幸；正如您非常清楚的，主席先生，因为我们曾积极合作，希腊的新主办博物馆将建在那里。

我非常期待在下一次领导人论坛会议上到皮与你们会合，谢谢。这位是希腊的总统、前总统，而您也是，呃，领导人论坛的成员，与今天加入我们的其他领导人一起，呃。女士们、先生们，请欢迎埃隆·马斯克先生和比[掌声]沙波先生上台。抱歉，呃，在开始之前，我只想向马斯克先生表达感谢和赞赏，感谢他抽出时间今天加入我们。在，呃，我们这个时代，我们寻求看到更多朋友，我们非常，呃，呃，感谢您抽出时间今天与我们在一起。作为对您今天抽时间与我们相聚的感谢，请允许我向您赠送一样东西。请看，这是用一枚火箭制成的，一枚落在了……上的火箭。

以色列比的一所幼儿园，而当这，呃，当这，呃，这枚火箭落下时，孩子们没有遇难，这是一个奇迹。这是一位名叫尤龙·鲍勃的以色列艺术家，他拿这位艺术家并使用它，以传达一个信息：即使火箭也能成为“绝不重演”的一个单体。非常感谢。如果可以，只是，这里写着：于2024年1月赠予埃隆·马斯克先生，以认可并感谢您的、您的对、您的反对反犹主义的斗争，并纪念您访问艾茨，赠自欧洲犹太人协会。非常感谢，谢[掌声]谢。嗯，今天能和您一起走访，呃，在、在阿谢特，是一种荣幸。实际上，这也是我第一次去那里，呃，所以抱歉，比，我们先有一段很短的视频要播放，然后我们……

开始。很抱歉，很抱歉。呃，您知道，马斯克先生，今天早些时候我们一起走在豪斯的街道上时，我忍不住，我不禁问自己，如果那些日子里已经有社交媒体，死亡集中营的恐怖是否还可能发生。大屠杀之后，最常听到的一句话是：“我们不知道。”今天，一切都是公开的，每个人都是记者或目击者。请看看它本来可以如何被使用，先生，您面前就有。它本可以挽救数百万人的生命。我记得您说过，AI 可能是人类面临的最紧迫风险。我必须告诉您，还有一种不同的 AI 构成了明确而现实的危险。这就是反犹煽动。埃隆，这就是我真的希望您和我们一起来这里的原因，因为这种 AI 最终……

助长了希茨的奥伦斯，为火车提供动力，并把装载犹太人的运牛车带去被莫尔德。本，非常感谢你前来。你的步行几乎不需要介绍：一位充满热情的保守派，一位不重要的媒体提供者，一位尽责的父亲和丈夫，一位家庭价值观的倡导者，一位坚定的以色列捍卫者，最重要的是，一位自豪的犹太人。数百万人关注你、观看你、聆听你、向你学习并给你打电话。话已至此，现在我把时间交给你的本，进行你们的讨论。非常感谢。对刚才过早开始，我很抱歉，不过，嗯，是的，埃隆，显然我们，呃，走访了阿什。我说过，我以前也没有去过那里。首先，我只想听听你的感受，今天走访艾茨和伯肯·瑙是什么体验？嗯，那真是难以置信地……

呃，令人动容，而且，呃，令人极度悲伤和痛心，人类竟能对其他人类做出这种事。嗯，有这些纪念设施是好的，是好的，正如牌匾上所写的那样，为了让这种事永不再发生。嗯，不，我，我是说，我研究历史，所以我看过那些照片，看过那些视频，嗯，但当你亲眼看到时，感受并不完全一样，它会更深地击中你的内心。嗯，嗯，坦率地说，我仍在消化我所目睹的那场悲剧的规模，那是悲剧发生的地方。坦率地说，我想还需要几天时间才能真正沉淀下来。嗯，而且，嗯，正如刚才提到的，如果当时有社交媒体，我想那就不可能被隐藏。嗯，如果当时也有言论自由，你知道。所以，所以，你知道，最早的，最早的……之一。

纳粹上台后所做的事情，就是关闭所有、所有报刊以及任何传递信息的手段。所以，嗯，值得注意的是，在美国，美国的第一修正案是言论自由，因为那些从其他国家来到美国的人，嗯，没有言论自由；如果他们说了什么，就可能被比森、被杀。这就是为什么对宪法的第一项修正，是让人们能够，嗯，说自己想说的话，而不会被投入监狱或杀害。是的，埃隆显然是 X 的首席执行官，X 是互联网上最大的新闻服务，也是包括我在内的许多人获取新闻的地方。自从接管以来，你一直致力于在这个平台上实现一种广泛得多的认知……

关于言论自由，呃，在，在这个平台上，而这也招致了许多批评，包括认为这个平台上的反犹主义也在上升。就我自己而言，我可以说，扩大 Twitter 上的言论范围，我认为，以及 X 上的言论范围，是一件，一件非常好的事。例如，在10月7日之后，我得以做的一件事，就是发布完整的视频和照片，展示究竟发生了什么，看看真、真正发生了什么，而真正的恐怖，真正的恐怖是，是，是人们如果想看，就需要能够看到的东西。社区注释功能使人们即使在虚假内容被发布时，也能纠正所有这些内容；过去这些内容也许能实时蒙混过去，现在你可以纠正这一切。你如何平衡……

言论自由的必要性与所有这些批评，也就是，你知道，什么是仇恨言论，什么是反犹主义，你如何平衡？嗯，这个平台总体上的倾向是支持言论自由，我认为归根结底，言论自由会获胜，因为如果有人说了虚假的话，呃，尤其是在我们的平台上，你随后可以回复并加以纠正。然后，我是社区注释的忠实拥护者，我投入了，我们投入了，嗯，最多的资源和关注来支持社区注释。所以，如果有人试图宣扬某种谬误，例如否认大屠杀或类似的事情，他们会立即被纠正，而且，而且他们，他们无法去掉那个标签，它就像粘在你身上一样，你知道，你，你知道。所以，嗯，我认为它，而且总括性的……

X 平台的目标，是成为世界上最好的真相来源。呃，所以，嗯，现在，现在你知道，一个人，一个，一个人可以，很难达到完美的真相，有时人们对真相有不同的解读，但人始终可以追求尽可能准确，并将所说内容与现实之间的误差降到最低。嗯，所以，嗯，不懈追求真相，嗯，是，是，是 X 的目标，并且允许人们说他们想说的话，即便具有争议，只要它，只要它不违反法律。我认为这是正确的做法。正如我所说，为城市广场设定新标准，让言论比以往更多，也让信息比以往更易获得，当然是在这个平台上。

你最近显然不只是来到这里；10月7日之后，你去了以色列，在各个基布兹和 M 看到了可怕反犹主义造成的后果。我看了所有视频，我，看了很多视频。是的，是的，那些景象令人震惊。我想，也许最令人震惊的，是看到，呃，人们在杀戮中的喜悦，比如杀害儿童和手无寸铁的女人与男人时的喜悦，而且那里，没有丝毫悔意，恰恰相反。我的意思是，这需要极其强烈的灌输。所以，所以我认为，要解决这个问题，就必须处理这种灌输的源头，因为没有人，没有人应该埃弗拉德·格拉德于杀死某个、某个孩子。我知道，有许多、大量犹太人，包括我自己，都非常感动于你继续……

佩戴这条项链，呃，以纪念人质，所以我想为此感谢你，显然，因为这让人们更加关注一个事实：仍有数十名男人、女人和儿童，如此之多，我来之前查过，还有如此多的人质。我希望他们还活着，希望他们能够回来。那么，我们来谈谈，你知道，更广泛而言反犹主义的上升。作为一个犹太人，同时也只是作为一个美国人和西方人，难以目睹的一件事，是总体上反犹活动、反犹情绪的激进激增，令人震惊的是，这发生在10月7日之后。实际上，这令人极其惊讶。是的，而且我，我，我必须承认，坦率地说，我对此有些，嗯，天真。在我活动的圈子里，我几乎看不到任何反、反犹主义，而且，你知道，有……

这个老、老、老笑话，我好像有这么一个犹太朋友。不，我大约有三分之二的朋友是犹太人，好吧。我的犹太朋友是非犹太朋友的2倍。我就像是因交往而成为犹太人，我立志成为犹太人。嗯，所以，呃，所以，所以我不，你知道，我当时想，人们说的这种反犹主义是什么，因为我在晚餐谈话中从未听到过这种话，这就像一件荒谬的事情。嗯，你知道，至少在我的朋友圈里如此。嗯，但是，但是当，你知道，看到在西方几乎每一个主要城市中，大量举行的 pramas 集会，呃，让我大为震惊。嗯，而且，包括在那些本应，你知道，如果你是一所精英大学，你应该是开明的，你，你不……

应该助长仇恨。嗯，然而你却看到这些支持 mus 的示威活动出现在 har，你知道，耶鲁，包括 P。我去了 upan，在 pan，我当时想，这难以置信。我的意思是，Harvard Harris 最近的一项民调显示，约67%的18至24岁人群说，犹太人是压迫者阶级。呃，你知道，在，在美国，美国约有700万犹太人，呃，而美国人有3.3亿，只占人口中极小的比例。呃，但是，那种认为犹太人是压迫者阶级的意识形态，与一种本质上的阴谋论配合得非常好，也非常紧密。反犹主义本质上是一种阴谋论，而且是一种关于权力的阴谋论。如果你阅读纳粹文献，纳粹确实宣扬了……

这样一种观念：犹太人当然是这样一个小群体，控制着所有主要产业，站在所有世界权力背后。希特勒的说法是，正是世界犹太人站在德国在第一次世界大战中的失败背后，也站在第二次世界大战前盟国不愿与德国达成协议的背后。而且，你知道，这种权力与群体身份理论非常丑陋，我们今天也看到了它的回声。我的意思是，多元、公平与包容的意识形态，基本上暗示整个社会是一个由群体身份构成的巨大金字塔，而最顶端是成功人士，这些人正在剥削其他所有人；我们可以通过他们的群体身份，而不是通过他们的成功程度，来判断谁是成功人士，通过他们的群体……

身份，这种说法与反犹主义极其吻合，它几乎与一个 vend 反犹主义同步。完全正确。多元实际上包容 Ian，你永远应该，永远应该警惕任何听起来像是出自乔治·奥威尔著作的名称，好吧，那绝不是好迹象。嗯，而且，呃，因为它听起来像，当然，多元、公平、包容，这些听起来都是美好的词，但，但它真正的含义，是基于种族、呃、性别和，嗯，性取向的歧视，而且，呃，而且，而且它反对任人唯贤。嗯，因此我认为它从根本上是反犹的。所以，嗯，是的。嗯，你知道，我，我，我认为，整个，所有这些，算是，那些，所有、所有发生在，呃，主要城市和大学校园里的骚乱，我认为对，嗯，我……

认为，对任何、任何、任何算是文明或具有公民意识的人来说，都是一个令人震惊的警醒，真的相当令人震惊。现在，你知道，大学校园里一些支持卡马斯的集会之间的交叉，我的意思是，它们把也许是人类历史上最奇怪的联盟联合起来。你会看到支持卡马斯的 LGBTQ 旗帜，当然，如果一位 LGBTQ 人士真的身处加沙地带，他们就不会再身处加沙地带，他们会死。是的。嗯，完全正确，那真的是严重脱离现实。是的，它并不是，但它唯一没有脱离现实的意义在于，这里存在一种联盟观念，基本上认为权力结构必须不惜一切代价被推翻；如果这意味着与憎恨我的人结盟，那么我就会与憎恨我的人结盟。而且，而且这件事日益……

自10月7日以来愈发狂热，真的，你知道，正如我所说，对我个人而言相当令人震惊。你知道，如果西方继续拥抱这种观念，你认为西方的未来会怎样？嗯，我，我认为我们真的需要，需要停止这种原则，即通常较弱的一方总是正确的。这根本不是真的。嗯，如果你是 qutes 中的“受压迫者”，或者，或者是较弱的一方，并不意味着你就是正确的。嗯，因为如果其中一些，你知道，我们较弱的，呃，群体想要消灭你，那并不会使他们成为好人。我们只是，我们必须摆脱这条规则，即如果你较弱，你就自动是好人。那，那显然毫无道理。嗯，你知道，你知道，它通常有道理之处在于，好吧，你不想殴打某个……

比你更小、更弱的人。嗯，但如果那个，如果那个较小的群体想要杀死你，那他们，他们就是坏的，好吧。嗯，我的意思是，我非常信奉道德绝对主义，而不是道德相对主义。绝对意义上存在，存在善与恶。嗯，你依据绝对的道德标准评判任何群体或个人，而不是看他们是所谓的受压迫者还是压迫者，只按 un 绝对的道德术语：他们是否在做好事，他们是否想要 motor inent 人，那是坏事。他们是谁并不重要。你或许会这么想，但大学校园里的伪知识分子似乎有不同看法。所以，我想听听你认为这为什么会在大学校园里如此普遍。鉴于……，你认为美国大学的未来会是什么样子？

事实上，整所大学似乎都已被道德相对主义和这种反常的意识形态腐蚀。你认为大学将迎来一波变革吗？你认为会直接从高中招聘吗？美国以及国外大学的解决办法是什么？我认为我们需要回归它，回归事情原来或者大体上的样子，也就是关注，关注能力，而且，而且你是男人、女人，呃，你知道，你是什么种族、有什么信仰都不重要，重要的是，你知道，你的工作做得有多好，或者，或者你有什么技能，你知道。嗯，你知道，你可以是一个3条腿的绿色火星人，呃，你知道，穿着和服，喝着牦牛奶，谁在乎呢，这不重要。

你知道，嗯，重要的是，比如你的工作做得有多好，就这样。嗯，那，那，那，那是 Le，那是你所能做到的最不算种族主义、性别歧视的方式：只在乎某个人所做的工作，而不在乎其他任何事情。嗯，那，那，那才是重点需要回归的地方。嗯，是的。是的，看起来你之前提到了任人唯贤制度受到攻击这类问题，而且，你知道，其中一种说法是，根本不存在真正的任人唯贤制度，存在的是一种，一种，一种伪任人唯贤制度，基本上所有这些机构的运作都是为了管理这些机构的人的利益。而且感觉确实有一定道理，即机构已经失去了人民的信任，尤其是在西方；而在对此的反弹中，我……

认为现在存在，你知道，算是这样一种观念：如果我们取消所有机构，取消对道德行为的一切限制，那么那，那不知怎么就会更好。但需要重新夺回这些机构，或者至少在这些机构原来的位置上重建新事物，而这显然也是你非常关注的事情，不仅是在 X，也包括你的其他公司，也就是建立新事物、创新，努力通过创造摆脱我们为自己制造的问题。是的，我认为一般而言，人们应该始终担心，他们可能已经，嗯，要么有意识地，要么 press，主要是潜意识地，将零和游戏或固定圆周率的观念内化。而且，如果，如果你内化了这种观念，即存在，即一切都是零和的，意思是……

比如，为了让我取得进展，其他人就必须无法取得进展，嗯，或者为了让我拥有东西，其他人就必须没有东西；如果你有那种公理式的思路，那、那、那需要做的就是修正那种 atic 思路，因为它是错误的。嗯，这并不是一场零和游戏。我们绝对可以实现增长，而且已经实现了增长，压倒性的证据表明，我们已经提高了商品和服务的产出。今天我们拥有许多过去没有的东西。嗯，我们富裕得多，呃，今天全人类都比过去某些时期富裕得多。我的意思是，就在不久以前，你知道，我们会把这样的年份算作好年景：嗯，bonic瘟疫没那么严重，只造成了10%的人死亡。嗯，你知道，我们，呃，没有那么

多人在冬天挨饿。嗯，我们只损失了，你知道，5%的人口，因为其他部落的袭击。你知道，基本上，以前的日子里生活非常艰难。嗯，而且，呃，如果他们现在能看到我们，他们会说，你们这些家伙在抱怨什么？这太棒了。嗯，你知道，不必担心，呃，食、食物，因为我的意思是，我们、我们一直受到食物短缺的制约，呃，你知道，可能在最近以前的10万年里都是如此。所以，你知道，真、真的，与过去相比，当今的未来是、是惊人的，而任何不认为它惊人的人都不是一个认真学习历史的人。嗯，所以我认为，我们生活在最有趣的时代，也可能是最好的时代。我、我希望的一件事，而且我认为你是其中一部分

，就是一个由唯才是举者组成的联盟站出来捍卫唯才是举；在一个对如此多机构的信任已经支离破碎的未来，这将极其必要。我们将不得不站出来大声说，才能依然存在，而且才能取决于个人，而、而不是基于某种与生俱来的特征。所以你之前提到，呃，你知道，你在志向上是犹太人，你身边都是，你被如此多的犹太人围绕。那么你是犹太人阴谋的一部分吗？确切来说是什么，也许这会让网上的仇恨者高兴。是啊，我相信会的。嗯，不，我的意思是，我只是，所以，嗯，呃，是的，我从小身边就有很多犹太人。我在南非上过Rachel Spiro希伯来学前班。嗯，我的名字非常犹太化

哦，我、我要告诉你，过去10年来，我所在社群的人一直以为你是犹太人，直到我告诉他们并非如此。是啊，Elon是个相当犹太化的名字。非常犹太化。是的。嗯，然后，嗯，我13岁时去了以色列，你知道，我的意思是，你知道，参观了Mada。我当然在许多事项上都打了勾。嗯，而且，嗯，就像我说的，我的大多数朋友都是犹太人，事情就是这样发展起来的。所以，嗯，有时我、我、我，是啊，我想也许我忘了：我是犹太人吗？我、我是犹太人，在志向上是犹太人。所以，你知道，当、当你听到关于，呃，对X上反犹主义数量的批评时，你从内部看到的反犹主义，或者所谓的仇恨言论的数量指标是什么？因为它一直是一个定义含糊的

术语，仇恨言论，呃，在、在你的平台上。是的，我的意思是，我们已经让人做的那些、那些外部审查，嗯，至少是我们已经让人做的那些，呃，表明X上的反犹主义数量最少，如果你看、如果你看所有其他社交平台的话。它永远不可能是零。如果一个平台上有6亿人，却期望任何东西都是零，那可能性极低，因为一个平台上有6亿人。但当他们把我们与，呃，Instagram、TikTok相比时，呃，TikTok实际上有很多反……TikTok相当可怕。人们还没有仔细看过TikTok。我的意思是，它的算法绝对在把我推向proas材料。是的，确实如此。嗯，所以，呃，我认为是，我们有……TikTok每篇帖子的反犹主义内容大约是我们的5倍

。嗯，所以就像我说的，它不可能是零。嗯，但，呃，据我们所知，它在所有平台中反犹主义内容最少。传统媒体在你身上花了大量笔墨。有很多人试图把你描绘成反犹主义者，或把X描绘成反犹主义平台。你认为这是从哪里来的？为什么、为什么传统媒体似乎如此针对你，尤其是在过去1年半里，呃，把、把你置于准星之下？嗯，我的意思是，事、事实是X是传统媒体的竞争对手。所以，呃，你知道，X是、是人们获取最新新闻和了解世界的地方。所以传、你知道，传统媒体是我们的直接竞争对手，因此他们真的会设法寻找每一个角度，试图封杀X。那就是

，我的意思是，如果你想知道事情为什么发生，就看看激励因素，你知道。所以，而且传统媒体在使用量方面日子不好过。嗯，我看到的数字是，传统印刷媒体，呃，有线电视，呃，收视率去年下降了大约230%。另一方面，X上升了大致相同的、大约20%到30%。所以这是对人们注意力的直接竞争。因此，如果他们能对我发动某种攻击，他们就会这么做。看起来，另、另一个问题不仅是媒体与X之间的直接竞争，还在于，在我人生的大部分时间里，直到过去，你知道，15年，传统媒体履行着他们眼中的把关职能。他们是有权定义叙事的人。他们

是有权决定什么是适当新闻、什么是不适当新闻的人。然后，即使早期社交媒体出现之后，你所阐述的那类、那类事情，实际上几乎所有社交媒体负责人也都阐述过。马克·扎克伯格过去常说你说的这类话；杰克·多西过去常说你说的这类话。然后似乎发生了一场由许多传统媒体类型人士实施的机构接管，体现在这些平台对什么可以说、什么不可以说所施加的各类规则和限制上；谁会被封禁，谁不会被封禁；广告商被武器化，用来对付，你知道，特定的，你知道，特定媒体，如果那些媒体不遵从那些人提出的指令

，呃，那些、那些指令由、由这些人提出。而、而且似乎自从你接手以来，最、最大的反对意见之一就是他们不再履行把关职能了，换成其他人在做。嗯，是的，我的意思是，我认为不应该由少数、少数个人来履行把关职能。嗯，我的意思是，如果真的，如果你说，像是，呃，美国的报纸大约有5名编辑决定什么、什么被放在头版，或者该关注什么，或者不关注什么，而其余大多数、其余大多数报纸基本上只是照抄他们。那么，但这真是我们想要的吗？我们想要只有少数几个人决定他们认为什、什么重要吗？还是，呃，应该由人们决定什么重要

？而且我认为它应该是，嗯，某种有机形成的东西，由人们决定什么重要、该关注什么，而不是仅由少数编辑决定。嗯，而且，呃，他们不喜欢这项权力已经被从他们手中夺走这个事实，但我认为就应该如此。我想回到你稍早说过的一件事，谈到这样一种观点：在道德层面上，呃，你知道，没有任何东西表明单纯的弱小本身就是美德。弱者可以是有道德的，但弱小并不一定意味着他们有道德；强者，呃，可以是，你知道，加害者，但这并不一定意味着他们就是加害者。把这种逻辑延伸到眼下以色列正在发生的事情上，在我看来，这完全有害而且错误

。有这样一种观点：因为以色列是一个军事力量强大、技术先进的国家，并且正在世界上人口最稠密的地区之一竭尽全力限制平民伤亡；在那里，恐怖分子渗透在社会的方方面面，建造了足足数百英里的隧道，相当于整个伦敦地铁系统规模的地下隧道，呃，所以不知怎么地，你知道，以色列以那些系统为目标并杀死许多人，因为当你杀死恐怖分子时，不幸的是，他们混在平民之中，这很可怕、令人惊骇；每一个人的死亡都应归咎于那个把自己嵌入平民之中的恐怖组织。这种、这种、这种逻辑被套用到了那场冲突上，认为更小

、更弱就意味着在道德上有德，因为受到了伤害。是啊，这确实已经从，嗯，或者、或者、或者说相对于历史上的情况，完全转了一整圈，或者说转了180度。所以在历史的大部分时期，运作原则一直是，呃，强权即公理。所以是的，实际上一直到现代，呃，强权即公理都是……如果你更强大，你就是对的。嗯，现在、现在我们有点把它反转成：不，如果你更弱，你就是对的。但是、但是、但是两者都不正确。是非、是非独立于强弱而存在。嗯，仅仅因为某人强大，并不意味着他们是对的；也不因为某人弱小，就意味着他们是对的。你必须以绝对标准看待道德。那么从更广泛的层面来说，El，你、你经常谈到，你知道，你对

人类的希望。呃，我会说你是一个真正热爱人类的人，这就是你谈论把人类的触角扩展到群星的原因。嗯，当、当你去像、像阿希特这样的地方，或者当你在10月7日之后走过像贝埃里基布兹这样的村庄时，这会改变你对人类的看法吗？还是会强化你对人类在积极一面和、和消极一面上能够成为什么的看法？我、我认为，热爱人类实际上是人的本性，除非你被灌输了相反的思想。所以，呃，我认为大多数人的实际默认状态是热爱人类，嗯，也喜欢和他们的人类同伴待在一起。嗯，你可以举个例子，比如监狱里最严厉的惩罚之一是什么？是单独监禁。而单独监禁的全部含义就是

你，你，你不能和其他囚犯待在一起，而那些人，那些人可能不是最适合一起待着的一群人。嗯，但即便如此，不能和其他囚犯待在一起也被视为一种可怕的惩罚。所以说真的，呃，我，但我认为，除非我们受到相反的灌输，否则热爱人类是我们所有人的天性。因此，我们必须阻止那种灌输。那么，你认为人们应当怎样着手做这件事？因为显然，我们已经在非常广泛的层面看到了灌输，从西方各类学校里某种软性的灌输，到你在例如加沙地带看到的非常、非常强硬的灌输；那里的孩子确实很不幸，在非常小的年纪就会参加毕业典礼，我们看过相关的

录像，他们在其中重演绑架以色列士兵或杀害以色列士兵之类的事情。这个问题从根本上必须得到处理，否则就不会有和平。呃，对加沙儿童的、的、的教育，嗯，向加沙儿童灌输仇恨的做法必须、必须停止。所以，你知道，我在以色列时，那就像是我最重要的建议：你必须确保，嗯，你知道，我理解入侵加沙的必要性，而且不幸的是，一些无辜的人会死，这无法避免。但最、最、最重要的是确保在此之后，呃，那种孩子们从刚能，呃，理解语言时起就被教导自己的目标是杀死以色列人的灌输，而且，如果你从

你还是幼儿的时候就被这样告知，那么你就会相信，而这必须停止。对，从技术层面来说，你认为那里能做些什么？因为实际上，这是其中一个领域，你知道，加沙地带并不以互联网接入而闻名。嗯，你知道，世界各地有、有、有、有很多地方，政府对信息流通施加极其沉重的干预。你刚才提到，纳粹所做的第 1 件事就是接管德国境内的整个新闻机制，然后又接管欧洲被占领地区的整个新闻机制。呃，但显然，这种事眼下正在世界各地发生，而你 VI 令人震惊的事情之一，是让我们努力开放其中一些信息渠道。但什么、什么、什么、什么是你能做的，什么

什么、什么应该在，它也值得注意，纳粹在德国境内对任何、任何亲闪米特的内容实施了极端审查。关于这一点，我不确定，我不知道有多少人知情，但你是，他们，他们审查任何亲闪米特的内容，任何试图为德国犹太人辩护的人，任何、任何亲闪米特的内容都、都遭到审查。所以，嗯，对，嗯，我认为言论自由和严、严谨地追求真相是途径，是击败仇恨的一种途径。你知道，当、当我审视联合……那种方式，嗯，当我审视美国时，其中一件似乎正在崩溃的事情，而且，当任何……从历史上看，第 1 个要素，也许也是一个社会陷入精神衰退状态的最后 1 个要素，呃，就是反犹太主义的大规模爆发

这就是不仅在纳粹德国发生的事情，而且从历史上看，处于衰落状态的国家往往会出现反犹主义的猛烈爆发，呃，在我看来，能够扭转这一进程的关键事项之一，是重建地方机构，呃，而随着地方机构瓦解，你会看到全体人口出现这种碎片化，嗯，你如何把技术发展的需要与建设那些地方机构——家庭、教会、学校，以及社会赖以建立的各种事物——结合起来？是的，实际上我应该说，我访问以色列时确实提出了3项强烈建议，其中1项显然是必须清除，呃，哈马斯武装人员，他们

不可能被改造，他们唯一的目标就是杀死以色列人，他们要么被杀死，要么被监禁，因为否则他们只会杀死更多以色列人，呃，然后第2件事是，你，你必须改变学校里的灌输，呃，让孩子们不至于从2岁起就被教导去仇恨，呃，然后第3件事是，嗯，在这种情况下非常难做到的一件事，就是对加沙人民做出显而易见的善举，对加沙人民做出显而易见的善举。这、这、这只是说，如果，如果你对某人做好事，憎恨他们就会难上许多，即使他们咬，他们在你这样做时试图咬你的手，也要继续做下去；你看看马歇尔计划，在，你知道，看看世界，看看其中的差别

第一次世界大战和第二次世界大战之间的差别，第一次世界大战后，呃，德国承担了不公平比例的责任，嗯，这导致了极其强烈的苦涩情绪，正是这让希特勒得以上台，嗯，是那些，呃，被嵌入的第一次世界大战德国士兵，嗯，还有，呃，但接着你再对比看看第二次世界大战之外发生的事情，当时有马歇尔计划，所以当时，嗯，你知道，美国介入，实际上，呃，为德国的重建和重、以及日本的重建提供资金，这在历史上多久才会发生一次？但看看结果：没有与德国发生战争，与日本和德国和平相处，呃，到现在，很快就将接近1个世纪。所以当你审视西方目前的状态时，你，也许都是因为刷了太多末日信息，但当你，当你，呃，你知道，审视

西方目前的状态时，听起来你非常乐观，呃，你知道，我，我发现在，在这一时刻很难保持乐观，过去几年非常丑陋，你知道，从乌克兰到以色列与哈马斯当前的冲突，呃，再到美国及其他各地的国内政治，看起来到处都有大量两极分化、大量碎片化。你认为西方的未来会怎样？我们能否围绕某种共同价值观凝聚起来，尤其是考虑到每个人都像在从信息消防水带里喝水这一事实？信息的好处之一是易于获取，坏处则是，你知道，会造成选择瘫痪和过载。我的意思是，你肯定会遭遇信息过载，有

这么多信息如今向你涌来，呃，因为你可以实时获得全世界的所有信息，而一个人不可能消化所有这些，嗯，你知道，我认为，我认为有些事情我们能够达成共识，或者大多数人都会认同它们很酷、很振奋人心，比如，嗯，人类登上月球，你知道，如果你问世界上几乎任何地方的孩子，人类做过最酷的事情是什么，我认为很多孩子会说我们登上了月球，你知道，嗯，还有，呃，我，所以我认为我们想要延续那种探索精神，嗯，你知道，说到某种意义上的把蛋糕做大，那就是，我们，我们想要，我认为，拥有一个梦想：我们可以成为，呃，一个承载太空的文明、一个多行星物种、一个多酒窖物种，并走出去

进入群星之间，并，并发现宇宙的本质，嗯，我们可以共同寻求更深的启蒙，嗯，以便更好地理解我们所生活的这个不可思议的宇宙，呃，嗯，我觉得这非常有吸引力，我，我认为，我认为大多数人都会觉得这非常有吸引力。我认为其中也包含了你所说的那种任人唯贤的核心价值，因为说人类可以登上月球是一回事，说我可以参与人类登月则是另一回事，而任人唯贤意味着你可以成为其中的一员；不只是人类有能力做成这件事，而是如果你足够努力工作，如果你进行足够多的创新，如果你足够努力尝试，你就可以成为这件事的一部分。因此，那些似乎已经放弃了这一点的社会，似乎也已经

放弃了，放弃登上月球。那些对自己所谓的法律如此反思的社会，美国目前就有这个问题，他们，他们不愿意直截了当地说，自由是相当非凡的，而，而任人唯贤是有史以来最伟大的发明，我们应该坚持它，那才是让我们能够登上月球的东西。那，那会阻止我们前往月球、火星或其他任何地方。是的，我的意思是，除了太空探索之外，还有，还有许多美妙而有趣的事情正在发生。显然，随着时间推移，我们提高了治愈癌症、治愈许多疾病的能力，嗯，人们获取信息的机会增加了，大家经常谈论不平等，但获取信息机会的平等呢

？那真是不可思议，嗯，你知道，现在如果你，如果你拥有，呃，你知道，一台非常便宜的电子设备，在一家网吧里，你就可以免费访问麻省理工学院的所有讲座，呃，你几乎可以读到任何书，你可以学习任何东西，呃，这种获取信息机会的平等，即使在20、30年前也是不可想象的，嗯，你可以免费自学如何做任何事情，这太棒了，嗯，也许人们有点过度关注那些不平等的事情，但我们是否忘记了那些平等的事情，以及那些极大改善了不平等状况的事情，比如获取信息的机会，嗯，你知道，这就是我们正试图通过斯托尔林克提供帮助的事情之一，即为那些没有

互联网接入，或者互联网费用贵到他们负担不起的人提供互联网接入，因为一旦你能够接入互联网，你就可以学习任何东西，也可以出售你的，你的，你的产品和服务。所以，嗯，我认为那，那相当了不起。我的意思是，你知道，这有点像，如果，如果我们要清点自己的缺陷，也应该清点自己拥有的福分。是的，埃隆，我认为你一直在做的事情中，有一点很了不起，那就是重要的不只是，你知道，你在商业方面的那一面，显然，呃，你已经成为这样一个令人难以置信的，你知道，笼罩在公众想象中的巨大人物，这意味着当你发推文时，它会产生，你知道，非常，非常巨大的影响。你如何决定什么时候发推文？有时是梅默，有时，有时是在开玩笑

，有时是这些经过长时间思考的帖子。你如何决定什么时候发、如何，你如何了解自己所发推文涉及的主题？嗯，呃，我确实，我确实会在X平台上发布很多内容，嗯，你知道，有时一天100次，所以，你知道，偶尔我会做些蠢事，嗯，肯定会，嗯，但我，我，我确实，嗯，你知道，我，我努力说一些我认为有趣或好笑的话，嗯，我的意思是，16900万人关注我，想必总有某种原因吧，我想，我不知道，嗯，我一定以某种方式让他们觉得有趣，嗯，所以让人发笑、娱乐，你知道，对某些事情发表看法，有时是错的，有时是对的，嗯，而且，嗯，你知道，对于社区注释之类的东西，它既适用于我，也适用于其他任何人，所以如果我说了什么

不正确，或者你知道，缺少完整语境，那么“社区注释”会非常迅速地纠正我。所以，嗯，但这些帖子始终都只是我一个人在发。我没有团队或任何东西，呃，所以，呃，事实上，我通常会建议世界各国领导人就真的自己发布自己的东西，偶尔犯个错误，也别担心。[笑声] 所以，是的，不可能全都赢，不可能，不可能，没有人能押中1000次。所以显然，我们今天参观的地方，你知道，最大的启示始终是“永不再来”，嗯，我认为，10月7日之后，以及我们看到的反犹主义疯狂激增之后，世界各地许多犹太人提出的问题是，这种持续至今的对犹太人的仇恨，所谓“永不再来”对许多人而言，究竟是指永远不再发生在……之间

1939年至1945年，还是说它真的意味着就从现在起永不再来，也就是说，如果有一个实施种族灭绝的团体想杀死许多犹太人，那是不是你现在就愿意挺身反对的事情？而当你审视这个世界和世界的状况时，你知道，呃，EJ刚才播放的视频暗示，嗯，大屠杀本来会在某种程度上得到缓解，或者人们可能会掌握更多信息。是的，或者，或者肯定能够更早逃离。我的意思是，显然，大屠杀历史中令人震惊的事情之一，就是有多少犹太人因为只获得了部分信息，它，它来得缓慢而渐进，而等到他们想离开时，已经，已经太——

晚了，他们已经逃不出去了。你知道，你对于“永不再来”成为现实抱有什么希望？我的意思是，我仍然希望不会发生一场，不会发生一场大屠杀。这在现实中有多大可能？我，我认为，坦率地说，我认为可能性不大。所以至少如果你说，比如，嗯，我的意思是，我可能很天真，但我认为西方发生大屠杀的概率极其微小。嗯，你知道，我认为如果看看，比如，你知道，纳粹，我想希特勒最初半——他算是，算是半当选时，获得了大约三分之一的选票之类的，然后基本上发动了政变。嗯，而，而想想所有为摧毁纳粹主义而战的人，那，那数以百万、数以百万计为摧毁纳粹主义而战并牺牲的人，那是西方绝大多数人——

反对，即使，即使在那些日子里也反对纳粹主义，并为之战斗和牺牲。我的外祖父，呃，在第二次世界大战中待了将近6年。嗯，他所有的朋友都阵亡了，他是朋友中唯一幸存的人。嗯，而且他受到了严重的创伤，比如，他后来真的连话都说不出来。嗯，那段时间大部分是在东非、北非、意大利。坦率地说，他之所以还能活着，唯一的原因是战争接近尾声时，他们，嗯，进行了一次类似能力倾向测试的东西。呃，因为他只是个下士，他，他没有高中毕业，所以没有资格进入军官学校，而他们可能就在他死前不久把他挑了出来，派他去伦敦为英国情报部门工作，我就是在那里遇到了我的外祖母，你知道。所以他是那些人之一——

为阻止纳粹而战，与数以百万计的其他人一起，你知道，所以我们不要忘记，西方绝大多数人福特并为阻止纳粹主义而牺牲。所以，我今天有机会短暂见到了你3岁的孩子。哦，是的，他是个，他是个有趣的家伙。很可爱。嗯，我自己也有一个3岁的孩子，所以我能——他们都非常相似。呃，在——不过，你知道，你有些孩子年龄大得多，你也有，你知道，显然年龄更小的孩子。在教他们了解大屠杀和反犹主义之类的事情时，你如何谈论这些话题？嗯，我的孩子们读过相当多的书。嗯，所以他们，他们读了很多历史。嗯，他们对这个主题并非一无所知。呃，我的意思是，也许那个3岁的孩子是的，当然，不过我希望，是的，你知道——

不会读书。所以，嗯，不，我的，我的孩子们读过非常多的书。所以，嗯，但是，但是我，你知道，我确实与，比如一些侄子，呃，或者一些，一些家庭成员有过某种令人不安的谈话，不是，不是我的孩子，而是，嗯，家庭成员的孩子。在那里，呃，我，我看到反犹主义时确实很震惊，或者，或者至少，是的，嗯，一次令人不安的谈话是，你知道，说什么，呃，你知道，因为我们糟糕的外交政策，我们活该让贸易大楼被摧毁。我当时就说，这就是纽约精英高中教给你们的东西吗？这太糟糕了。好吧，埃隆，我认为我个人选择全世界，这个房间里的许多人都想感谢你，不仅参观了艾茨，还在10月7日之后访问了以色列，以及你为了——

反对反犹主义的斗争而发出的强有力的道德声音。很高兴与你共度时光，非常感谢。谢谢，谢谢你们邀请[掌声]我。非常感谢，尤奥。谢谢本带来非常、非常有趣的访谈，访谈。谢谢你的提问，也谢谢你的回答。现在我想请费伦国第10任总统尔林，以及巴黎康纳尔的主席M博士上台，简短合影。以色列第10任总统，谢谢。南法主席乔·M博士，在我们继续进行议程之前，我们，我们先拍张照片。谢谢特林总统。总统，如果他请可以叫你来进行，好，好，我们又该怎么拿它？它相当重。好，是的，请吧。[掌声]

好的，你，比你，非常感谢你，是的

dear sh and dear friend de president ring despite some a circumstances it is with great honor and emotion that I will remotely participate from Athens in the emblematic leaders Forum in a on the uncompromising fight against against anti-Semitism and Russ please rest assured that my dedication to our common goal remains unshakable commemorate and honor the tragic victims of the horrific Holocaust the greatest crime against humanity and to other fulfill our common Duty never again we Greeks will be honored if in the near future the leaders forum for the commemoration of the Holocaust were to be hosted in aens or better in Thessaloniki a city in which as you well know Mr President because we worked actively together the Greek new host Museum will be erected

I very much look forward to joining you in p in the next leaders Forum meeting thank you this was the president of former president of Greece and you are also member of uh of the Forum of leaders together with other leaders who are joining us uh today ladies and Gent Gentlemen please let's welcome on stage Mr Elon Musk and Mr B [Applause] shapo sorry uh before we start I just would like to Express gratitude and appreciation to Mr musk for taking the time to join us today in uh our times we seek to see more friends and we are uh uh appreciating very much the time you took to be with us today and as a token of appreciation for taking the time to be with us today if I may present something to you please this were made out of a rocket a rocket that fall on

a kindergarten in B in Israel and it was a miracle that kids were not killed during this uh when the when the uh the rocket fall it's an artist Israeli artist by named yuron Bob who take this artist and use it in order to show a message how even Rockets could become a single for never again thank you very much if I may just it's written here presented to Mr Elon Musk in January 2024 in recognition and appreciation of your of your for of your fight against anti-Semitism and to mark your visit to aitz from the European Jewish Association than very much thank [Applause] you well it was a an honor to uh to walk with you today uh at at ashet it's actually my first time there as well uh so sorry B we just have a very short video to present first and then we

start I apologize I apologize uh you know Mr mask when we were walking around house streets together early on today I could help I couldn't help ask myself if the horror of the death camp could have been possible if social media was around in these days after the Holocaust one of the most heard sentences was we did not know today everything is in public everybody is a journalist or eyewitness please watch how it could have been used you have it in front of you sir it could have saved millions of lives I remember you saying AI is potentially the most pressing risk to humans I must tell you that there is a clear and present danger of a different AI this is anti-Semitic incitement this is why I really wanted you to be here with us Elon because this AI ended

up fueling the orens at hits and powering the trains and and took the cattle trucks of Jews to be mored Ben thank you very much for coming to you walk needs little introduction a passionate conservative un important media provider a devoted father and husband an advocate of family values a stanch defender of Israel and above all a proud Jew Millions follow you watch you listen to you and learn from you call to you and with that said I now hand over to your Ben for your discussion thank you very much I apologize for the premature beginning there but um yeah Elon obviously we uh walked Ash I said I I hadn't been there before either I first of all just wanted to get your thoughts on what it was like to to walk aitz and birken now today well it was Inc incredibly

uh moving and and uh deeply sad and tragic that uh humans could do this to other humans um it's good it's good to have the it's good to have the memorials as as the plaque says so that it never happens again um no I i' I mean I'm a student of History so I'd seen the pictures I'd seen the videos um but it's not quite it's it hits you much more in the heart when you see it in person um um I'm still absorbing frankly the magnitude of the tragedy that I witnessed was place where the tragedy occurred I think it'll take a few days just to sink in frankly um and um as was mentioned if if there had been social media I think it wouldn't have been impossible to hide um if if there's been freedom of speech as well you know so so you know one of the one of the first

things the Nazis did when they came in is they shut down all the all the press and any means of conveying information so um it's worth noting in the United States the first amendment in United States was freedom of speech because the people that that that came to the United States from other countries um did not have freedom of speech that if they had said something they could beison killed and that's why the first correction to the Constitution was the ability to um say what you want to say and uh not be thrown in prison or killed yeah Elon is obviously the the CEO of X which is the largest news service on the internet the place where a huge number of people including me get the news you you've been committed since you took over to a much broader perception

of free spe speech uh on on the outlet and that's led to a lot of criticisms about suggestions of rising anti-Semitism on on the outlet as well I can say for my own part that the broadening of speech on Twitter I think has been and on X has been a an excellent thing one of the things that that I was able to do for example in the aftermath of October 7th was actually put out full footage and pictures of what exactly was happening see what what's really happening and the true horror the true horror is is is something people need to be able to see if they want to see it and the community notes feature has allowed for people to even when when things that are false are put up that used to maybe pass in real time now you can correct all of that how do you balance

the necessity for free speech with with all these critiques about you know what is hate speech what is anti-Semitism and how do you balance that well the the general bias of the platform is in favor of free speech and I think at the end of the day free speech wins and in that if somebody says something that's false uh it especially on our platform you can then reply to it with the correction and then I'm a huge fan of community notes I've put we've put um maximum resources and attention behind Community notes so if somebody tries to push a falsehood like Holocaust denial or something like that they can immediately be corrected and and they and you can't get rid of the tag it's like stuck on you you know you you know so um I think it's and the overarching

goal for the xplatform is to be the best source of Truth uh in the world so um now now you know one one one can it's it's difficult to get to perfect truth and sometimes people have different interpretations of truth but one can can always aspire to be as accurate as possible and to minimize the the error between what is said and reality um so um Relentless pursuit of the truth um is is is the goal with with uh with X and all and allowing people to say what they want to say even if it's controversial provided it provided that it does not break the law I think that's the right thing to do and setting the new standard for the Town Square as I say has allowed for more speech and more availability of information than than ever before certainly on on the platform

you recently didn't just go here obviously after October 7th you went to Israel and you saw the wages of horrific anti-Semitism in the various kibuts and and M I saw all the videos I a lot of video yeah yeah it was shocking to see I think maybe the most shocking thing was to see uh the the Delight in killing in people like the Delight in killing kids and defenseless woman and man and there it there was no remorse quite the opposite I mean that requires a level of indoctrination that is uh extremely intense um so so I think that to solve that you have to address the source of the indoctrination because no one no one should everad glad about killing some some child I know a number of enormous number of Jews myself included are very moved that you continue

to wear the necklace uh in remembrance of the hostages so I want to thank you for that obviously because raising the profile of the fact there's still dozens of men women and children so many I checked before I came so many hostages I hope they're alive I hope they come back so let's talk about you know the the uptick and anti-Semitism more broadly one of the things that's been hard to watch as a Jew but also just as an American and a Westerner has been the radical upsurge in anti-semitic activity just generally anti-semitic sentiment appallingly after October 7th it's been astonishing actually yes and I I I must admit to being um somewhat frankly naive about this um in the circles that I move I see almost no anti anti-Semitism and and you know there's

this old old old joke I've got like this one Jewish friend no I have like two-thirds of my friends are Jewish okay I twice as many Jewish friends as non-jewish friends I'm like Jewish by association I'm aspirationally Jewish um so uh so so I don't you know I was like what are people talking about with this anti-Semitism because I never hear it in when at dinner conversations it's like an absurdity um you know at least in my friend circles um but but when you know looking at the the pramas rallies in in vast numbers that took place in almost every major city in the west uh blew my mind um and on including on the elite college campuses that are supposed to be you know if you're an elite college campus you're supposed to be enlightened you're you're not

supposed to be fostering hate um and yet you had these Pro mus demonstrations at har you know Yale including at P I went to upan at pan and I was like this is unbelievable I mean there's a poll recently from Harvard Harris showing that some 67% people aged 18 to 24 said that the Jews were an oppressor class uh which you know in in America Jews represent approximately 7 million Jews in the United States uh out of 330 million Americans tiny percentage of the population uh but that that ideology that that the Jews are an oppressor class matches up very nicely and very closely with what is a conspiracy theory at root anti-Semitism is a conspiracy theory and it's a conspiracy theory about power and if you read Nazi literature the Nazis literally promoted the

idea that Jews were of course this small caste of people who were running all the major industries who were standing behind all world power is Hitler's suggestion is it was world jewry that stood behind Germany's loss in World War I and then the Allies unwillingness to make a deal with Germany prior to World War II and you know that theory of power and group identity is really ugly and we see Echoes of it today I mean the the diversity equity and inclusion ideology that basically suggests that all of society is a vast pyramid of group identity and that at the very top are the people who are successful and that those people are exploiting everybody else and we can tell who's Successful by their group identity not by their level of success by their group

identity that matches up incredibly it syns up almost a vend anti-Semitism absolutely the diversity actually inclusion Ian you should always be always be wary of any name that sounds like it could come out of a George Orwell book okay that's never a good sign um and uh because it sounds like sure diversity Equity inclusion these all sound like nice words but but there what what it really means is discrimination on the basis of race uh sex and um sexual orientation and uh and and it's against Merit um and and thus I think is fundamentally anti-semitic so um yeah um you know the I I I think it the the whole all of the sort of the the all all of the riots that were in the uh major cities and college campuses I think was uh a shocking wakeup call to um I

think any any any sort of civilization or civil minded person really was quite a shock now the crossover between you know some of these rallies on college campuses in favor of Kamas I mean they unite the the weirdest coalitions maybe in human history you'll see lgbtq Flags in favor of Kamas where of course if an lgbtq person were to be actually in the Gaza Strip they would no longer be in the Gaza Strip they would be dead yes um exactly that that's like seriously out of touch yeah it isn't but it only isn't out of touch in the sense that there is a coalitional idea here that basically power structures must be torn down at all costs and if that means allying with people who hate me then I'll Ally with people who hate me and and the fact that that's grown

in fervor since October 7th really is you know as I said to me on on a personal level quite shocking you know what do you make of the future of a West if if the West continues to embrace that idea well I I think we really need to to stop this principle that the the weaker nor normally weaker party is always right this is simply not true um if you are in qutes oppressed or or the weaker party it doesn't mean you're right um because if some of those you know we weaker uh groups want to annihilate you that does not make them good it we just we have to get rid of the rule that that if you're weaker you're automatically good that's that's obviously makes no sense um you know you know it often makes sense whereas like okay you don't want to beat up on someone

smaller and weaker than you um but if that if that smaller group wants to kill you that they're they're bad okay um I mean I'm a big believer in moral absolutism not moral relativism there is there's good and bad in the absolute um and you judge any group or individual against absolute moral standards not whether they they're the so-called oppressed or oppressor just un absolute moral terms are they doing good things do they want to motor inent people that's bad it doesn't matter who they are you would think but the the pseudo sophisticates on college campus seem to think differently so I wanted to get your take on why you think this is so prevalent on college campus what do you think the future of the universities in the United States looks like given

the fact that entire universities appear to have been corrupted by moral relativism and this sort of perverse ideology do you think that a wave of change is coming to the universities do you think that there's going to be direct hiring out of high school what is the solution for universities in the United States as well as abroad I think we need to return to what it what where things were or mostly were which is a focus on on Merit and and it doesn't matter whether you're a man woman uh you know what race you are what beliefs you have what matters is you know how good are you at your job or or how what are your skills you know um you know you could be a three-legged green Martian uh you know wears a kimono and drinks Yak milk who cares it doesn't matter

you know um it what matters is like how good is your work that's it um that that that's that's the Le that's the least sort of racist sexist you can be is just care about the work that somebody does and not anything else um that that's that's what the focus needs to be to return to um yeah yeah it seems as though you mentioned earlier the the sort of problems of attacks on the meritocracy and you know one one of the claims is that there's no real meritocracy there's a there's a a pseudo meritocracy that basically all these institutions are Run for the benefit of those who run the institutions and it feels like there is some truth to the idea that institutions have lost credibility with the people particularly in the west and in the backlash to that I

think that there's now you know sort of an idea that if we do away with all instit tions in all limits on moral Behavior then that that somehow is is better but there needs to be a recapturing of the institutions or at least a rebuilding in place of those institutions new things and that's something obviously that you're very focused on not only with X but your other companies is is building new things Innovation try and create our way out of the problems that we've created for ourselves yeah I think generally people should always be wory that they may have um either consciously or press mostly subconsciously and internalize the notion of a a zero sum game or a fixed Pi um and if if you internalized that that there's it that everything's Zero Sum meaning

like in order for me to get ahead someone else has to not get ahead um or for me to have stuff someone else must not have stuff that if you have that axiomatic floww then then then that's what what it needs to be done is to to fix that atic flow because it is false um there's it's not a zero sum game we can absolutely grow and have grown and the evidence is overwhelming that we have grown the output of goods and services we have many things today that we did not have in the past um we are far more prosperous uh all of humanity is far more prosperous today than it was at times in the past I mean it wasn't that long ago where you know we we' count a good year as one where well the bonic plague wasn't that bad only killed 10 % um you know we uh not that

many people star through the winter um we only lost you know 5% due of our population due to raids from other tribes you know basically life used to be very rough in the old days um and uh it's if if they could see us now they'd be like what are you guys complaining about this is amazing um you know not having to worry about uh F food for I mean we were we were food constrained uh for you know probably the last 100 thousand years until recently so you know re really the the present day future is is amazing compared to the past and anyone who doesn't think it's amazing is not a good student of History um so I think we live in the most interesting of times and probably the best of times one of the things that I I would hope that and I think you're part

of this is is a coalition of meritocrats standing up for the meritocracy is going to be deeply necessary in a future where trust has been fragmented with so many institutions we're going to have to stand up and loudly say that Merit still exists and that Merit is individually based not not based on innate characteristics of of some sort so you mentioned earlier uh you know that you're aspirationally Jewish that you surround yourself with that you're surrounded by so many Jews so are you part of the Jewish conspiracy what what exactly is the maybe that'll please the haters on online yeah I'm sure um no I mean I just so um uh yeah I grew up around a lot of Jewish people I went to Hebrew preschool Rachel Spiro in South Africa um I my name is very Jewish

oh for I I will tell you that for the past 10 years people have assumed in my community that you Jewish until I informed them otherwise yeah Elon is a pretty Jewish name is super Jewish yeah um and then um I went to Israel when I was 13 you know I mean you know visited Mada I'm certainly checking the boxes on a lot of things um and um like I said most of my friends of Jewish just worked out that way so um sometimes I I I yeah I guess maybe I forget am I Jewish I'm I'm Jewish aspirationally Jewish so you know when when you hear critiques about a right about the the the amount of anti-Semitism on X what what are the metrics that you're seeing from the inside about the amount of anti-Semitism or quote unquote hate speech because it's always a vaguely defined

term hate speech uh on on your platform yeah I mean the the the outside ords that we've uh had done um at least the ones that we've had done uh show that there the least amount of anti-Semitism on X of if you look if you look at all the other social it's never going to be zero if you've got 600 million people on a platform expecting it to be anything to be zero is extremely unlikely because you got 600 million people on a platform but when they compare us to uh Instagram Tik Tok uh Tik tok's actually got a lot of anti Tik Tok is pretty terrifying people have not checked out Tik Tok I mean the algorithm is absolutely pushing me toward proas material yes it is um so uh I believe it's we have Tik Tok has like five times the amount of anti-Semitism per post

than we do um so it's not like said it's not going to be zero um but uh to the best of our knowledge it is has the least amount of anti-Semitism of any platform Legacy Media has spent an awful lot of Ink on you there's been a lot of attempts to paint you as anti-semitic or paint X as anti-semitic where do you think that's coming from why why does the Legacy Media seem to have you particularly in the last year and a half uh in in the crosshairs so much well I mean the re reality is that X is competition for the Legacy Media so uh you know X is a is where people go to get the most current news and learn about the world so leg you know the Legacy Media is our direct competitors so they're really going to find trying to every angle to try to cancel X that's

I mean if you want to know why things happening look at the incentives you know so and and Legacy Media had a tough time with respect to uh usage um the numbers I saw was that the sort of traditional print uh cable television uh viewership went down something like 230% last year on the other hand X went up roughly that same roughly 20 30% so it's a direct competition for people's attention so if there's some attack they can Lev Le Levy against me they will it seems as though one one of the other matters is not just direct competition between the media and X but also that the the Legacy Media for most of my life up until the past you know 15 years performed what they saw as a gatekeeping function they were the ones who got to define the narrative they

were the ones who got to determine what was appropriate news and what was inappropriate news and then even after social media arose in the early days there was the sort of the sort of things that you articulate were actually articulated by virtually all the social media heads Mark Zuckerberg used to say the kinds of things that you say Jack dorsy used to say the kinds of things that you said and then there seemed to be an Institutional takeover by a lot of Legacy Media types in terms of the kinds of rules and restrictions that were placed on what you could and could not say on these platforms who would get banned who would not get banned advertisers weaponized against you know particular you know particular Outlets if those Outlets didn't follow the dictat

uh that that were put forward by by these types and and it seems like since you took over one of the the biggest objection of all is that they're not performing the gatekeeping function anymore someone else is well yes I mean I don't think that there should be a gatekeeping function by a small number of of individuals um I mean if really if you say like uh for newspapers in America there are about five editors that decide what what gets put on the front page or what what to focus on or what not to focus on and most of the other the most of the other papers just copy them essentially so but is that really what we want do we want just a handful of people deciding what what they think is important or uh or should it be that the people decide what's important

and I think it should be um sort of or an organic thing where the people decide what's important and what to focus on not just a handful of editors um and uh they don't like the fact that that this power has been taken away from them but I think it should be I want to go back to something that you said a little bit earlier talking about the idea that on a moral level uh you know the there's nothing that suggests that that simple weakness is itself virtue that a weak person can be virtuous but doesn't necessarily mean that they are a powerful person uh can be you know the victimizer but doesn't necessarily mean that they are that logic carried forward particularly to what's going on in Israel right now has been in my opinion entirely pernicious and wrong

there's this idea that because Israel is a powerful militarily sophisticated country that is doing its best to limit civilian casualties in one of the most population dense areas of the world in which we have terrorists who are honeycombed throughout every aspect of society building literally hundreds of miles of tunnels the entire London subway system worth of tunnels underneath the ground uh that somehow you know Israel targeting those systems and killing a lot of people because when you kill terrorists unfortunately and they're embedded among civilians it's terrible and it's horrifying with every one of deaths is on the terrorist group that embeds itself with civilians there's been this this this logic has been mapped onto that conflict that smaller

and weaker means morally virtuous because victimized yeah it it really has come completely full circle from um or or or 180 degrees from what has historically been the case so through most of History the operating principle has been uh might makes right so yeah for really up until modern times uh might makes right was the if you were stronger you were right um now now we've sort of flipped it to know if you're weaker you're right but but but neither is true there is there is uh rightness independent of strength or weakness um just because somebody's strong doesn't mean they're right and doesn't because somebody's weak doesn't mean they're right you have to look at morals in the absolute so on a broader level El you you talk a lot about you know your Hope

For Humanity uh i' say that you're somebody who really loves Humanity which is why you talk about expanding Humanity's reach out to the stars um when when you go to a place like like ashit or when you walk the villages like kibuts Berry after October 7th does that change your opinion of humanity or does it reinforce what you think Humanity can be on both the positive side and on on the negative side I I think it is actually human nature to love Humanity unless you are indoctrinated otherwise so uh I think the actual default for most people is to love Humanity um and to love being around their fellow humans um you can take for example like what's one of the worst punishments in in prison is solitary confinement and all solitary confinement means is that

you're you're you don't get to hang out with the other prisoners which which might not be the best group of people to hang out with um but even that is considered a terrible punishment to not be able to hang out with other prisoners so in Truth uh I but I think in our nature we all love Humanity unless we are indoctrinated otherwise and so we have to stop that indoctrination so how do you think that that people ought to pursue that because obviously we have seen indoctrination at at a wide variety of levels ranging from sort of soft indoctrination in various schools in the west very very hard indoctrination that you see in for example the Gaza Strip where kids are literally unfortunately at very young ages they have graduation ceremonies that we've seen

tapes of where they're reenacting kidnapping of Israeli soldiers or killing of Israeli soldiers for example that fundamentally has to be addressed or there will not be peace uh the the the education of kids in Gaza um the the indoctrination of hate into kids in Gaza has to has to stop so it's you know when I was in Israel I was like that was my top recommendation is like you got to make sure um you know I understand the need for this to to invade Gaza and unfortunately some innocent people will die there's no way around it but the the the most important thing is to ensure that afterwards that uh the indoctrination where kids are taught from as soon as they can uh understand language that their goal is to kill Israelis and and if you're told that from

when you were toddler well you're going to believe it and that needs to stop yeah on a technological side what do you think can be done there because actually this is one of the areas where you know the Gaza Strip isn't famous for its internet access um you know there there there there are a lot of places around the world where the government puts an extraordinarily heavy hand on the flow of information you're mentioning that the Nazis first thing they did was take over the entire press mechanism inside Germany and then inside the occupied areas uh of Europe but that obviously happens all over the world right now and one of the things you VI startling for us to try and open up some of those Avenues of information but what what what what can you do what

what what shoulding at it's worth noting also the the Nazis engaged in in extreme censorship uh within Germany for anything anything that was pro-s Semitic I'm not sure how I don't how many people are aware of that but you were that they they censored any prosmetic anyone who tried to defend the Jews in Germany any anything prosmetic was was censored so um yeah um I think freedom of speech and RI rigorous pursuit of the truth is the way is is one way to get to to defeat hatred you know when when I look at the United the way well when I look at the United States one of the things that that seems to be breaking down and and when any the first element historically maybe the last element of a society in a state of mental decline uh is a vast outbreak of anti-Semitism

this is what was happening in not only Nazi German but historically countries that that are in a state of decline tend to have wild outbreaks uh of anti-Semitism and it seems to me that one of the key things that can that can reverse that process is the rebuilding of local institutions uh and as local institutions break down you see sort of this fragmentation of the population at Large um how do you merge the the need for technological development with the with the building of those local institutions families churches schools and the kinds of things that societies are built upon yeah actually I I should say there were really three things that were my strong recommendation visiting Israel one is obviously one has to get rid of uh Hamas fighters who were

reform is impossible their only goal is to kill Israelis they are to be either killed or imprisoned because otherwise they will simply kill more Israelis uh then the second thing is you you've got to change the indoctrination uh in the schools uh so that kids are not taught to to hate uh from the moment they are 2 years old and and then the third thing is um which is a very hard thing to do in this situation is conspicuous acts of kindness to the people in Gaza conspicuous acts of kindness to the people in Gaza it's it's it's just that much harder to hate someone if if you do nice things for them even if they bite they try to bite your hand when you do it keep doing it and you look at the Marshall Plan after you know look at world look at the difference

between World War I and World War II where after World War I uh Germany got an unfair share of the blame um it led to immense B bitterness it's what allowed Hitler to rise to power um was the uh embeded German soldiers from World War I um and uh but then you look in contrast to what happened off World War II you had the Marshall Plan so you had um you know had United States coming in and actually uh funding the rebuilding of Germany and re and the rebuilding of Japan how often does that happen in history but look at the results no war with Germany peace with Japan and Germany uh for now soon it'll be almost a century so when you look at the state of the West right now you somebody maybe it's all the Doom scrolling but when you when you uh you know look

at the state of the West right now you're very optimistic it sounds like uh you know I I find it hard to be optimistic in uh In This Moment it's been a very ugly couple of years you know from Ukraine to the current conflict in Israel and Hamas uh to domestic politics in the United States everywhere else it seems like there's a lot of polarization a lot of fragmentation what do you think is the future of of the West can we come together around any sense of shared common values especially given the fact that everybody is kind of drinking from the fire hose of information one of the downsides about the upside of information is the availability the downside is you know choice paralysis and overload I mean you can definitely get information overload there's

so much information coming at you these days uh because you can get all the world's information real time and impossible for one human to digest all that um you know I think I think there are some things that we can agree on or most people would agree on are cool and inspiring like um Humanity going to the Moon you know if you ask probably kids almost anywhere in the world what's the coolest thing humans have ever done I think a lot of kids would say we went to the moon you know um and uh I so I think we want to continue that Spirit of exploration um you know speaking of kind of growing the pie and is is that we we want to I think have a dream that we can be uh a space bearing civilization a multi-planet species a multi- Cellar species and go out there

among the stars and and discover the nature of the universe um that we can collectively seek greater Enlightenment um to better understand this Incredible Universe we live in uh um I find that very compelling I I think I think most people would find that very compelling I think embedded in that is also as you say that core value of meritocracy because it's one thing to say man can go to the moon it's another thing to say I can be part of man going to the moon and a meritocracy suggests that you can be part of that it's not just that human beings are capable of doing the thing it's that you can be a part of that thing if you work hard enough if you innovate enough if you try hard enough and so societies that seem to have given up on that also seem to have

given up on on going to the Moon societies that are so reflective about their own supposed laws the United States has this problem right now that they that they are unwilling to to Simply say freedom is pretty phenomenal and and meritocracy is the greatest thing that's ever been invented and we should hold on to that and that's what's going to allow us to get to the Moon that that stops us from going to the moon or to Mars or to anywhere else yeah I mean there's and there's many wonderful interesting things that are happening besides space expor ation obviously as time goes by we improve our ability to cure cancer to cure many diseases um there's increased access to information and people talk a lot about inequality but what about the equality of access

to information that's incredible um you know right now if you if you've got uh you know a very cheap electronic device at an internet internet cafe you can access all of the lectures of MIT for free uh you can access almost any book you can learn anything uh this is an equality of access to information that was Unthinkable uh even 20 30 years ago um you can teach yourself how to do anything for free that's amazing um maybe there's like too much focus on the things that are unequal but we should we forget about the things that are equal and that have have improved inequality so much like access to information um you know that's one of the things that we're trying to help out with stall link is uh provide access inter internet access to people who don't

have internet access or where it's too expensive for them to afford because once you have internet access you can learn anything and you can sell your your your products and services so um I think that's that's pretty amazing I mean you know that's sort of like if if we're going to count our flaws we should also count our blessings yeah one of the things that uh I think is amazing about what you've been doing Elon is that it's not just you know the the business side of you that's important obviously uh you become this unbelievably you know large figure looming in the public imagination and that means that when you tweet it has you know impact that is that is very large how do you decide when to tweet sometimes memor sometimes it's sometimes it's joking

sometimes it's these long thought out post how do you decide when to how how do you inform yourself on on the topics that you're tweeting about well um I do I do post a lot on the xplatform um you know sometimes a 100 times a day so you know once in a while I'll do something dumb um for sure um but I I I really um you know I I try to say things that I think are interesting or funny um I mean there must be some reason why 169 million people follow me I guess I don't know um I must be keeping them amused in some way um so amuse entertain you know have opinions on something sometimes they're wrong sometimes they're right um and um you know and for things like Community notes it applies to me as well as it applies to anyone else so if I say something that's

incorrect or you know not full context then Community notes will correct me very quickly so um but it's only me doing these posts ever I don't have a team or anything uh so uh in fact I generally would recommend for leaders of the world to just literally post your own stuff and once in a while you make a mistake don't worry about [Laughter] it so yeah can't win them all can't can't nobody bets a thousand so obviously where we visited today you know the the big takeaway always is never again um the I think that the question that a lot of Jews worldwide asked after October 7th and after that wild up surge of anti-Semitism which which we've seen the Jew hatred that that continues now is whether never again really for a lot of people meant never again between

the years 1939 and 1945 or whether it actually means never again like right now as in if there is a genocidal group that wishes to kill lots of Jews is that something that you wish to stand up against right now and when you look out at the world and the state of the world you know the uh the video that EJ put up a moment ago suggesting that um the Holocaust would have been somewhat mitigated or people may have had more information yeah or or been able to certainly been able to to escape earlier I mean one of the one of the things that's astonishing obviously about the history of the Holocaust is how many Jews because they were only getting partial information it it was slow and it was gradual and by the time they wanted to get out it was it was just too

late for them to get out you know what are your hopes that that never again is a real thing I mean I still hope there's not a not a holocaust that's how realistically is it I I think I think it's unlikely frankly so at least if you say like um I mean I could be naive but I think the probability of a Holocaust in the west is extremely tiny um you know I think if you look at say the you know the Nazis I think hler got like a third of the vote or something like that when he was first semi he was sort of sort of semi- elected and then did did basically a coup um and um but but think of all the people that fought to destroy Nazism the the the millions of millions of people that fought and and had died to destroy Nazism the that's the vast majority of the West

opposed even even in those days opposed Nazism and fought and died and my grandfather was uh in World War II for almost six years um all his friends got killed he's the only one of his friends to survive um and he was severely traumatized like he really just couldn't even talk afterwards um most of that time was in East Africa North Africa Italy the only reason he's even alive frankly is because towards the end of the war they um gave like a an aptitude test uh because he was just a Corporal he he didn't graduate high school so he wasn't eligible for Officer school and they they plucked him out probably right before he died and sent him to work for British intelligence in London which is where I met my grandmother you know so he was one of the people

fighting to stop the Nazis and many along with millions of others that you know so let's not forget that the vast majority of the of the West Ford and died to stop Nazism so I had the chance to briefly meet your three-year-old today oh yeah he's a he's a fun guy adorable um I have a three-year-old of my own so I can they're all very similar uh in but you know as your you have some kids who are much older you have you know kids who who are younger obviously when it comes to teaching them about things like the Holocaust and anti-Semitism how do you address those topics um well my kids are pretty well read um so they they read a lot of history um they're not ignorant on the subject uh I mean maybe the three-year-old is sure but I would hope yes you know

can't read so um no my my kids are very well read so um but but I you know I have had some sort of just disturbing conversations with sort of some say nephews uh or some some family members not not my kids but um kids of family members where uh I I was actually shocked to see anti-Semitism or or at least yeah um one disturbing conversation was you know saying that the uh you know that we deserve to have the Trade towers destroyed because of our terrible foreign policy and I was like this is what they're teaching you in Elite New York high schools this is messed up well Elon I think I personally choose all over the world a lot of people in this room want to thank you for not only visiting aitz but also for visiting Israel after October 7th and for the

strong moral voice you've been on behalf of the fight against anti-Semitism it's great to spend time with you thank you so much thank you thank you for having [Applause] me thank you very much youo thank you Ben for very very interesting interviews interview thank you for the questions and thank you for the answers I would like now pleas to call the 10th president of the state of felen rlin and Dr M the president of the conar of Paris for for a brief picture please the 10th President of Israel thank you Dr Jo M the president of the South France we we'll take please a picture before we move on with the program thank you president Trin president if he please can call you for the okay okay how we hold it again it's quite heavy okay yeah please do [Applause]

okay you than you thank you very much yeah