请欢迎安德鲁·罗斯·索尔金，请，请，以及他的请嘉宾，Tesla 首席执行官、SpaceX 首席执行官、X 总工程师兼首席技术官埃隆·马斯克。大家晚上好。非常感谢各位一整天都与我们在一起，我非常高兴能与埃隆·马斯克一起进行这段非凡时光的最后一场访谈。我们大家共同度过了。他不太需要介绍，不过想说几件事。

他是世界上最富有的人。他很可能是世界上最简洁的，如何最具影响力的人，对世界，在个人中，现在最具影响力的控制台。他经营着最具创新性的公司。世界，Tesla、SpaceX、星链，它是其中的一部分，Neuralink、The Boring Company、X，以及他的 xAI，而他颠覆了这些赛道中的每一条。

他以极快的极快的速度前进，但在这个过程中，他正面临一场争议风暴。众所周知，他今天是在一次访问之后加入我们的，我们周一早些时候讨论过，对以色列的访问，他在那里会见了那里的总理和以色列总统，而我们将讨论一切，我希望我们能谈谈他如何，他如何看待，他看待自己的影响力，他如何看待自己的权力，他如何看待这一切。

而且我们会讨论创新以及其他一切。我只想很快再说2件事。我们第一次见面是在16年前。是的，很久以前，很久以前，我们第一次见面时所有孩子都是3岁，我记得。我想我记得，你正要交付你的第1辆 Roadster。我想你当时还没有。拉里·佩奇还在等。是的。大概是在2007年、2008年，而我有一点不同意，2008年。

我记得回到新闻编辑室后说，我想我刚刚见到了下一个史蒂夫·乔布斯，而那是，我会坚持这一点。好吧，我会坚持这一点，但从我第一次见到你到现在，发生了很多事，你来 Deal 时一直很无聊，那是肯定的。嗯，实际上被一名司机带走，无聊的 Kony 司机，无聊的 kony2012。你来了。

来到 DealBook，坐在这个舞台上，我们非常高兴你能回来，但从那时到现在发生了太多事，而在过去1周、1周半里也发生了太多事，还有很多人，我想在这部电梯里告诉你。很多人打电话给我说，你真的，你真的要在这里主持埃隆·马斯克吗？你能相信他刚才在 Twitter 上，在1X上说了什么吗？是的，是的。

是的，完全不知道这个 Twitter 东西是怎么回事。你应该给他平台吗？他们就是这么说的。是的，那你给平台了吗？我说，我认为这是我们的职责。我知道你对新闻有一个平台这件事有意见，也知道你常常对记者有意见，但我说，我们的职责是进行对话、探究，并且，有时甚至审问各种观点，而这正是我希望的。我们可以做到。

所以我想先开始，以便我们能够展开这场对话，并且只是持平，只是，而对话这开始我们可以，所以只是开始，我想持平地说，请带我们过一遍。如果可以的话，过去1周半发生的一切，所有事情，知道你的上帝，我们会，我们有时间，好的。你发出了一条，你发出了一则帖子，或者一个 X，或者一条推文，换句话说，随便什么。

是的，我是想说，当内容只有140个字符时，那样是说得通的，逗号，推文，因为就像一群小鸟在叽叽喳喳，但当你知道到了可以放上大概3个我们的视频的时候，它就像是一条非常长的推文。所以就是这样。我觉得这个更具描述性，而且在某个时候，我不知道你当时在哪里。但你在回应另一条推文时写道。是的。

“这才是真相”，而这引发了一场批评风暴，一直蔓延到白宫，对吧？然后你去了以色列。广告商离开了这个平台，人们纷纷打来电话。嗯，以色列之行与此无关，它不是什么道歉之旅。我想说清楚。那是，好吧。我们来谈谈这个。所以只是，但先把这个往回说。

回到你写下那句话的时刻，以色列之行是独立的，根本不像是对此的回应。好吧，我们来，我们会说到以色列，就一会儿。我不介意被憎恨、憎恨、憎恨，顺便说一句。我听到它离开。好吧，但你知道吗，那我们就直接说这个，当然，因为有一种观点，而你可以说你没有真正的弱点，21，他喜欢一个真正的弱点。我没有那个。让我问你这个。

那么。你说“我不在乎任何人是喜欢我还是憎恨我”，这两者之间是有区别的，但考虑到你的权力，考虑到你所积累的一切，以及你的、你所具有的重要性。

我会认为你希望受到信任，我会认为也许你不需要被人喜欢或憎恨，但信任很重要，如果，如果X要成为一个金融平台，人们要把钱放进去，政府要给你钱来造4枚火箭，人们要坐进那些汽车。

他们最终需要认定你是——他们不必说他们爱你，但你归根结底是一个正派、善良的人。是的。是。人，善良而正派，归根结底你是这样的人，但是，是的。我是，而且我认为我是。

但，但我当然不会去——但做某种踢踏舞来向人们证明我是这样的人。至于信任，我的意思是，我认为可以用几种方式把它写下来。如果你想把你的，如果你想可靠地将卫星送入轨道，SpaceX今年将完成所有主轨道的80%，中国将是12%。世界其他地区将完成8%，其中包括波音、洛克希德以及其他所有公司。

所以这款火箭的往绩远远胜过你能想到的任何东西，你可以，你可以，嘿，我的胆量接下来，你可以不信任我。这是相关的，火箭的往绩本身就说明了一切。至于Tesla，我们制造最好的汽车，不管你高度你的生活、憎恨我、喜欢我，还是不同、不同。

你想要最好的汽车，还是不想要最好的汽车？所以，所以我当然不会迎合，而约翰逊，就像我来这里的唯一原因是你是朋友。比如，我的演讲费是多少？你没有，你不是在举任何例子。我是安德鲁。但是，对，抱歉。没关系。其次，我们认识已经很久了，抽烟。是的，而且听着，你知道吗？我想向我们说明的是，有时我会说错话。

我认为有很多人累了，但让我，让我回去。你应该听听 SNL 木制帖子的那些短剧。顺便说一句，那些真的很好，由木制帖子，而且我会说，由木制帖子。不幸的是，或者幸运的是，或者不幸的是，不管我们有什么友谊，都不算深。我们彼此没那么常交谈，但让我问你这个。这是真的。我说到哪了？

我说到哪了，因为我需要任何认可，还是说它，它，我们做了16年朋友，而且我答应过你我会来，所以我才在这里。好吧，我感谢你来到这里，不管有没有其他原因，但让我问你这个。那么。我们就直接谈吧。告诉我发生了什么，你写了这条推文，说“这才是真相”，人们读了那条推文。是的，然后他们说埃隆·马斯克是反犹主义者，说他是。

他在煽动这个基本盘，正如我所说，你从白宫听到了这种说法，你也从各地的犹太团体那里听到。我想反诽谤联盟的乔纳森·格林布拉特就在这里。有很多人这么说，顺便说一句，不只是那个，总体而言，在整个事情期间，整个我确实，而且这就是为什么当我问她回应时，抱歉，我说的是更多、更多回应。对，我说了更多，我说的比你刚才读到的更多，另一个缺失了。

绝对还有更多。是的，但我告诉你，让我震惊的事情并不是——而且我是一名美国犹太人——不只是持那种观点的人，实际上还有那些确实是反犹主义者的人，他们说：“哦，我的天，冲啊，冲啊，E Lon，这就是E Lon，太棒了。E Lon，E Lon。”而那实际上才是真正让我，真的，真的，那件事实际上才是那个。而回去。

我问我自己，这里发生了什么？我想知道你对正在发生的事情有什么感受，在那个时刻发生了什么。当你，当你看到这一切发生时。是的。好吧，首先，我几乎立刻澄清了我的意思。我会说，那是，你知道，如果我能回到过去，我会说，事后看来，我不应该回复那个特定的人，而且我应该写得更详细一些，说明我的意思。

之后我确实在回复中作了澄清，但媒体忽视了那些澄清。而本质上，我把一把上膛的枪交给了那些憎恨我的人，也可以说交给了那些刚让医护人员代为处理那件事的人。我很抱歉。那不是，那不是我的意图、意图。所以我，那个抱歉确实，你知道，那个抱歉。

在我的主时间线上发帖，把话说得绝对清楚：我不是反犹主义者，那个，反犹主义的，不是，我是，那个，绝对清楚，是，而且事实上，如果非要说的话，我是Summer Enoch的文件，而以色列之行是在这一切发生之前就计划好的。这无关紧要。你看到这个东西了吗？你知道它是什么吗？我知道，因为我实际上关注了你的轮胎以色列之行，对吧，当我告诉所有人。这上面写着。

上面写着“带他们回家”。那些人质，这是其中一名人质的父母送给我的。我说，只要还有人质商店会议，我就会一直戴着它，而我已经——那次旅行怎么样？显然，你知道，公众的看法是——而你现在正在澄清这一点。但是，但是公众有一种看法，认为那是，但是，是一次道歉之旅的一部分。

可以这么说，网上出现了这种说法，出现了所有那些批评，广告商纷纷离开，我们和鲍勃谈过——我得打断你。希望别，希望得打断你。我，鲍勃，谈过，我们，离开，是广告商，不做广告。你不希望他们有一个时间，知道。你是什么意思？如果有人可以试图用广告勒索我，用钱勒索我，那就去你妈的。但去你妈的。说清楚了吗？我希望清楚了。嘿，鲍勃。

你就在观众席里。那么，让我来问问你。这就是我的感受。但是广告，你怎么……但是广告，你怎么看待 X 的经济模式，如果其底层模式的一部分，至少在今天，也许需要转变。也许答案是它需要摆脱广告，广告？如果你认为这是你的业务中唯一一个你会注视那些持这种观点之人的部分。你怎么办？为什么？

我明白，确实存在一种现实，对吧。是的，不是。不，我是说，奥卡里娜就在这里，奥卡里娜就在这里，她得卖广告。绝对是。所以不，不，别告诉你，所以好吧，不，实际上，这场广告抵制将要做的，就是它会杀死公司。而你认为那个，而，而，而且全世界都会知道，是那些广告商杀死了公司，而我们会极其详细地记录下来。

但我想，会有那些广告商说，他们会说，不是我们害死了这家公司。哦，是啊，他们可以，你好，告诉地球，你好，告诉地球，但他们会说，你好，告诉地球，他们会说你，你好，告诉地球，朗，是你害死了这家公司，因为你说了这些话，而这些话并不恰当，他们在这个平台上感到不自在，对吧？

平台，那种舒适的感觉，不是吗，以及不合适的事情，那就是阿曼达说的。让我们看看地球对此有何反应。那么很多，好吧，这那么这又回到了我们双方都会陈述各自的理由，对吧，然后我们会看看结果如何。这对你来说在经济上意味着什么？我是说，你拥有极其庞大的资源，所以你实际上可以让这家公司继续运营很长时间。

如果没有广告，你会让它长期继续运营下去吗？我的意思是，如果公司因为广告商抵制而倒闭，它就会因为时报抵制而倒闭，而那将会使公司破产，地球上的每个人都会知道这一点。那么，你怎么看我可以信任的那个呢？

他们不会消失，而我们会因为广告商抵制而消失，但你也承认，其中一些人会说，他们在这个平台上感到不自在，而我想，我只是想知道并问问你这件事，也请你花点时间想想，要用美元来裁定、去裁定它，但裁决者将会是公众。而你认为公众会说，Disney 这是犯了一个错误。

是的，而且他们会抵制迪士尼，是的，而且他们会，他们会，是的，而且他们会，他们其实已经在这么做了，好吧，有些人出于许多不同的原因这么做，但你认为这会，你拥有这种，这种幽灵，实际上有趣的力量，力量和影响力，就让一切顺其自然吧。就让一切顺其自然吧。我只是想要 y，这就是这种做法。

我这样问，是因为你对每一种做法都。好吧，你对Tesla的做法一直非常讲究，你想想其中涉及的工程、对SpaceX的做法、对你在人工智能领域所做的一些事情的做法，都非常具体，对吧？对于那些业务，并不是一种就让一切顺其自然的做法。

我不认为，我们专注于制造最好的产品，而产品最好，专注于制造，我们认为，不，我，而Tesla是在完全没有做广告的情况下走到今天这一步的。

据我所知，Tesla目前销售的电动汽车，是美国其他电动汽车制造商销量总和的2倍，告诉为帮助环境所做的，比其他所有公司合起来做的还多，提到说，因此作为公司的领导者。我为环境所做的贡献超过了其他所有人，超过了地球上的任何一个人。你对此有何感受？现在对此仍然怎么看？是的。

不，我是在问你个人对此有何感受，因为这又回到我们正在谈论的权力和影响力，而我想说，我想说，我在乎的是善的现实，而不是对它的观感，我到处看到的是那些一边作恶、一边在乎自己看起来很好的人，去他妈的。好吧。

让我问你这个，因为我认为其中一部分，让我问这个，让我问一下，顺便说一句，有些人说，听着，一开始拥有X只会制造问题，你创造了这么多正在改变我们世界的了不起的东西，而且，而且我知道你想让X在这个，以及世界。成为很棒的城市广场、言论自由平台，但这件事本身，这已经给所有这些事情造成了如此大的干扰。

这就是我们正在进行的对话，我们没有专注。我们还没有谈到租赁，我们会谈到Tesla，你明天要交付Cybertruck。还有你正在做的其他一切，但这将会是今年地球上任何东西中规模最大的产品发布，遥遥领先，是不是，你心里是否有任何一部分？

只是说，你知道吗，我当初就是不该做这件事，或者也许我应该卖掉它、送掉它，或者以别的方式处理它，处理X这一块。是的，鉴于，鉴于，鉴于你在那个平台上所做和所说的一些事情很容易引发这些，这些问题。是的。我会，我在这个平台上发过的帖子。我想可能有。30,000条左右，对吧，偶尔。我会说些愚蠢的话。

我的确说过，而我当然会，它放，而，而且那条评论，以及你说其中有真相，或许是我在这个平台上做过的最愚蠢的事情之一，即便不是最愚蠢的事情，而我后来确实尽了最大努力进行澄清，你知道，我当然没有任何反犹太主义的意思，批评的性质只是，那个，只是对这种性质的批评，那个，犹太人数千年来一直受到迫害。

耳朵。因此，人们自然会对受迫害群体产生亲近感。这导致人们资助一些组织。组织，而这些组织基本上会支持任何受迫害群体，或者任何被认为遭受迫害的群体。这包括激进的伊斯兰团体。在座每个人都见过，每个人，那个，每个人，每个人都见过西方每一个主要城市中支持哈马斯的大规模示威。这应该令人震惊。

好吧，其中一些组织接受了犹太社群知名人士的资助。他们没料到会发生这种事，它，但是如果你泛泛地，但是它。但是它。但是它。不附加条件地进行某种资助，如果你总体上资助受迫害群体，那么不幸的是，其中一些受迫害群体不会……你的毁灭。

而，而，而这就是，这就是我的意思，而我后来澄清时说的是，是，找到，找到组织是不明智的，不明智的是，澄清的是，是，那些支持想要消灭你的群体的组织。麦克尼利，这话听得明白吗？是的，不过我的问题是。从逻辑上讲。这非常有道理。你心里有没有任何一部分？只要告诉我接下来会发生什么？

一旦这一切发生时，假设你找到一个团体，那个团体支持莫斯。他希望你死。也许你不应该资助他们，对吧？但你，但你确实，谢谢，但你，但你，但你，你确实明白，当你涉足这些非常微妙的水域时，当那个。在这些，当那个，当那个。非常微妙的时刻。是的，是的，这可能造成真正的。我是说，因为它已经在过去2周里制造了新闻头条，以及，以及经济影响。

我只是非常好奇，当你看到这一切发生时，你脑子里会发生什么，我想，你会坐在那里想吗？我的天啊，我踩雷了。我真希望我没那么做。你是在说，去他妈的他们？我恨这些人，他们为什么针对我，还有所有这些。是的，所有这些。我的意思是，听着，我为那条之前或帖子感到抱歉。那是我犯傻了，在30,000条之中。它可能确实是最糟的，而且最糟，确实可能是，它，30,000。

我的，愚蠢的，是，我发过的最蠢的帖子，而我尽最大努力用一切可能的方式澄清，但，但是用一切可能的方式。你知道，至少，但是用一切可能的方式，但是用一切可能的方式。我认为随着时间推移，大家会清楚地看到，事实上我非但不反犹太主义。我实际上追随闪米特，而我过往记录中的所有证据都会支持这一点。显然。

你知道，有人在X上说些疯狂的话，也许觉得他们疯了，人们不是，他们不是那些疯狂的，但他们觉得也许知道，你作为X，X的愿景是成为全球城市广场。现在，假如你走到，比如说X广场，对吧？你会不会偶尔听到有人说些疯狂的话？

会，但他们没有，他们没有扩音器，对吧，而那正是难题，但他们只能对坐在、站在时代广场那里的50或100个人说。他们没有扩音……我是说，听着，我以前对旧Twitter开的玩笑是，那就像给精神病房里的每个人一只扩音器。所以，你知道，你，所以，扩音器。

病房，那个精神病院里的每个人，都像是拿到了，我知道有些东西可能会被推广，超出，被推广，超出某个人圈子的那种范围，只不过是在推广一个在时代广场尖叫疯狂言论的人，这种事一直都在发生，你知道，所以实际上，坦率说，仇恨内容被推广的情况相当罕见。不是，不是，不是说从未发生。但这相当罕见。

我的意思是，我会鼓励人们看看，对于那些使用这个系统的人，当你看自己收到的那种信息流时。它有多频繁？它是否充满仇恨，而随着时间推移，它是变得更仇恨还是更少仇恨，我会说，如果你看看，看看你，如果那个说，我会，以及仇恨更少，或者它变得更多，X5每天形成，对比1年前。去，我认为它实际上好得多。我的意思是，你的衣服是什么？

就像，你感到意外吗？我只是好奇你是否使用这个，我虔诚地使用这个平台，我，所以你承认自己上瘾了，你和我使用为你，而我会，我会说，现在问题是，因为我是记者，我会去寻找东西。好吧，那不能算一句话，说因为我，而且我也认为针对我个人的算法，因为我会寻找东西，也在把其他东西推送给我。

这实际上是一个挑战，因为 A，一个，像是有时人们会说，为什么它要给我看，你知道，来自这个我讨厌的人的帖子，而我们就会说，那么，你是不是和这个你讨厌的人互动了很多？嗯，是的。那么因此它就认为你想和这个你讨厌的人进行更多互动。这就像是合理的。让我问一下，你知道，如果你有点想发一条争论推文。是的。你有帖子吗？

比方说发帖，当你发帖时，那不是一个时刻。如果有人能，我想出一个更好的词？更好的，想出一个，我可以，任何人，如果时刻。发帖，那不是一个词？那就太好了，不过，当你发帖时，但我能想到的这个糟糕的词就是发帖。那么，当你发帖时，你是否试图煽动某个基本盘或一群受众？你是否意识到自己在这件事上拥有的力量？

而且而且顺便说一句，不只是煽动，煽动一个版本的抱歉，而且还要写下来，也就是说，正如我所说，网站上有些人明显是反犹的，我会收到“犹太小子”之类的话。各种各样的东西会传到我这里。嘿，有一阵子。我以为我已经熬过去了，所以他们会，你知道，处理它。但不是，但问题是被谴责为超级少女，你有没有想过。

你知道吗，我要上网，我要说这些人，我谴责这些在我的网站上说这些话的人，因为我说过，我有，你看，我已经谴责过一次集会，但你有没有去，我说我可以能，真的，我真的发过，我谴责一切形式的反犹主义，像那就是一条字面上的，我们字面上的帖子，那条帖子我们字面字面上的一个，像那就是所有其形式的，我发的。

我的意思是，我就像，听着，如果我能拿出同义词词典，如果你，你知道，而我们可以，你知道，我，让我换个问题问你，你你你来措辞。我来发。好。让我问你这个。你你你你你你你你你你，你的荣誉，你大约1个月前参加了一个播客。你说了一些让我印象深刻的话，而且让我印象深刻的是准确，它是从你嘴里说出来的。

所以希望它是，但它，我希望深入谈谈这些东西，因为它从我嘴里说出来并不意味着它是真的。你说，我的母亲，她说我的大脑是一场风暴。我认为大多数人不会想成为我。他们可能以为自己想成为我，但他们不知道，他们不理解。你这是什么意思？那是什么，你的大脑是一场风暴是什么意思，而且我认为这，我的意思是，我认识你已经相当长时间了。

我觉得这有点像一场风暴。是的。对，我是说，我，对。对，你知道，在这个比喻说得通的限度内，我的脑子常常感觉像一场、像一场、像一场非常狂野的风暴。我是说，我的想法喷涌而出。我是说，我有我的想法，而且我或许可以执行，所以我不缺想法，创新不是问题。问题在于执行，执行才是问题。我有100万个想法。

我是说，我有一整套、一整套设计，而且有，我是说，我有，我有100万个想法。我设计了一种电动超音速垂直。关闭的喷气机，但我是说，我只是，如果我只是也做不了那个。我已经有这个设计10年了。而且还有100万件事，你的风暴是一场快乐的风暴。对，它不是一场快乐的风暴。对。

跟我们讲讲那个，跟我们讲讲，因为我觉得那个，那个，跟我们讲讲，实际上跟我们讲讲，当人们试图真正理解你时，我觉得有很多，有一个，觉得我，你。真正理解，人们尝试它，当这一点来自某个别的地方，而我想谈谈那个。你认为那是什么？这真的像是一个精神科医生捕手之类的东西。

你知道，我觉得在某种程度上，我生来就是这样，但后来它又被一个艰难的童年放大了，没错。

所以，但我甚至能记得小时候那些快乐的时刻，那里有孩子，曾是一个，我快乐的时刻，当那里只是，它只是感觉像这样，就像一群暴怒的马，愤怒一直在我脑子里，现在这个，你知道，大体上以富有成效的方式表现为技术和建造东西，所以，而且我认为，总的来看，产出一直非常富有成效。

我认为，结果正如我们，你知道，早些时候讨论过的，SpaceX、Tesla、PayPal，它们，你知道，今天仍在运营，第一年和一家我创办的公司，事实上第一家，在创办。

一家我创办的公司的那一年，是由《纽约时报》公司、赫斯特、奈特-里德资助的，还记得，我们为，我们为《纽约时报》网站编写了一些软件，我们，我们还帮助数百家此前只在前面的报纸上线。现在。

这是在90年代，此时此刻就像我是，我就像个很好的黑人爷爷，但基本上，你知道，90年代和互联网感觉就像前寒武纪时代，那时只有海绵，所以不管怎样，所以，不管怎样，所以，不管怎样，所以，你知道，不管怎样，所以，我觉得已经完成了很多富有成效的事情，而且你也可以把Tesla看作通过，因为Tesla，在看，也可以，你，而且已经完成了富有成效的事情，很多公司和葡萄酒，比如我们的超级充电网络，如果它是，如果这个，Tesla超级充电网络要是它自己一家公司，它本身就会是一家《财富》500强公司。

这仅仅、仅仅是超级充电系统。我们也制造电芯，我们从零开始制造动力总成中的电子设备。我们拥有最具创新性的结构设计。有史以来使用过的更大型铸件。我们拥有最好的制造技术，拥有最好的制造，我们使用过的。有史以来的铸件，更大型的技术，在Tesla的制造技术比那些已经做了这件事100年的公司更好。

所以，所以这些、这些心魔，你知道，我大体上把它们驾驭到了富有成效的目的上，这是Luna，一个脚本，那是不是意味着偶尔、偶尔。

它们、它们偶尔，你知道，会出错、错、错、错，但是，但是，而这是一个问题，我想很多、很多人，认为一个问题，我，一个是这个，而且错，你知道，会，人们，你知道，总是在试图弄明白，不只是关于你，而是有时候，也就是说，是什么驱动着这一切，你在做所有这些事情。你认为是，你认为你会这么成功吗？

无论成功是什么，如果它不是被，如果，如果被某种东西驱动，我觉得你在试图向自己或向某个人证明些什么。我不知道。我们都在努力证明，那个人是我母亲。我不知道。不，如果要我坐下来描述我的哲学，那是一种好奇心哲学。我确实在大约12岁时经历过这场存在主义危机：生命的意义是什么，这一切不都毫无意义吗？

为什么不干脆自杀，为什么存在？我读了宗教典籍。我读了哲学书，尤其是德国哲学书，坦率地说，它们让我相当抑郁，当坦率地抑郁，相当，让我，让书，哲学，德国的，当你不是在青少年时期读叔本华和每一个。但后来我读了，但是，但是，但是道格拉斯·亚当斯的《银河系漫游指南》，这是一本以幽默形式写成的哲学书。

而亚当斯在那里表达的观点是，我们其实不知道该问什么问题。所以我才说，你知道，答案是42。那个，那个，基本上它是一台巨型计算机，而且，而且它得出了答案42，但接着要真正弄明白那个，弄明白什么，实际上接着去，但42，答案连同那个，问题是。

那才是真正困难的部分，我认为这在物理学中通常也是如此，在你能够恰当地构建问题的那个点上。答案实际上是容易的部分。所以，所以，所以，我当时的动机是，嗯。我的生命是有限的，在银河时间尺度上真的只是昙花一现，但如果我们能够扩大意识的范围和规模。那么我们就能更好地弄明白，该针对那个答案问什么问题。那个答案就是宇宙。

而我们也许，我们能够找出生命的意义，甚至该问什么问题，正确的问题是什么。你知道，我们从哪里来？我们要去哪里？外星人在哪里，有外星人吗？在，你知道，这些、这些问题。你，你，你知道，是否有新的物理学等着你发现，还是因为关于暗物质和暗能量、能量，此外还有一些真正的问题。

所以SpaceX的目的是以可持续的方式把生命延伸到地球之外，这样我们至少能通过费米大过滤器中的一个，也就是作为单行星文明这一关；如果我们是单行星文明，那么，那么我们只是在等待某个，然后，灭绝事件，无论那是人为的还是自然的。自然的，自然的。

但如果你是单行星文明，最终你会，会有某件事发生在那颗行星上，而你会灭亡。如果你是多行星文明，你就会生存得久得多。此外，多植物文明是，这是成为多恒星文明、并走出去置身群星之间的自然踏脚石，所以，你知道，这一点，我认为已经，对那个。

这不仅仅是一种防御性动机，它也是一种，你知道，赋予意义的动机，《人类对意义的追寻》，三重问你，即使这个哲学观点可能显得相当深奥，也可能会引起少数人的共鸣。我们必须越过这个费米过滤器，金星，一个作为单行星文明的伟大未来。

而如果我们做到了，我们就更有可能理解宇宙的本质，以及该问什么问题；如果你相信好奇心哲学，那么，哲学的，那么，哲学的，我认为你应该支持这个雄心哲学，但是，它更在于，成为一个多行星物种不仅仅、不仅仅是。你知道，人寿保险，为全体生命提供的人寿保险。

那是一个防御性的理由，但是，但是我还认为，生命不能只是一个接一个地解决一方面的问题，你知道，它们快乐，那是许多理由，让你早晨醒来并且为活着而快乐。必须有一些理由，让你，你必须说。你为什么对未来感到兴奋，是什么给你希望？而且，而且如果你，如果你不确定，就问问你的孩子。

而且，而且我认为，我们成为一个航天文明、走出去置身群星之间的这个想法。极其鼓舞人心、令人兴奋，也是值得期待的事情。而世界上需要有这样的事情。我可以问你一个关于信心的不同问题吗？

我们之前在这里聊过，人们，以及你的……人们从哪里获得自信。有些人写下了安全感，另一些人有不安全感，却非常非常自信。我当时想到了你，因为你有一段非常有趣的历史，人们一次又一次地告诉你，你错了。嗯，有时候他们是对的。

嗯，有时候他们是对的，但我想说，谈到 Tesla、谈到 SpaceX 时，人们告诉你，你疯了。你失去理智了。这永远不可能发生。是的，它会成功。所以，是的，不过我们要问你这个问题，所以我们要成功，就是现在，当人们说你错了。这不对。

你会不会看着这一点，然后说，你知道吗，这对我来说就像一个危险信号，因为，你知道，我太经常被人说我是错的，所以我知道我……而且我知道我是对的，因为我有过那种经历；或者当你生活中的其他人说，你知道吗，埃隆，这不……这不对。你明白我在说什么吗？

我的意思是，我想我们只是想说，到了这个时候，你是否认为，因为你想说的是：在别人说我错了的时候，我对了太多次，以至于现在我越过了相信自己是对的这一关，而事实上我是错的。你说得非常好。你觉得，知道吗？我是对的。知道吗？我是对的，知道吗？我是对的。所以，是的，不，听着。事情是这样的，不，我是对的。觉得？物理学对……是不宽容的。

是的，听着，事情是这样的：物理学是不宽容的，物理学是不宽容的。所以。我的意思是，我有，你知道，这些我想出来的非常简单的说法：物理学是定律，其他一切都只是建议，对吧；意思是，你可以违反任何人类制定的法律，但试着违反物理学制定的定律，要困难得多。所以，如果你错了，而且坚持犯错，火箭就会爆炸，汽车就会失败。

所以，这不是我们在试图弄清楚哪种口味的冰淇淋是最好的口味。弄清楚，弄清楚冰淇淋的……比如，一次火箭飞行中可能发生1000件事，而其中只有1件能让火箭进入轨道。而且，所以，犯错，而且在处理实体物体时会导致失败，但那正是有趣的部分。

所以现在，你已经打造了这些伟大的公司，它们在实体上、在物理层面都取得了巨大的成功。可以说，成功到了让你对其他所有人都拥有影响力的程度，对吧？没有其他人能做星链。没有其他人能把我——没有其他人能把火箭送入太空，尽管亚马逊和杰夫·贝索斯正在尝试，但他们还没有做到。我希望他能做到——你希望他能做到。

是的，而且我想，你知道，但我实际上认同、也喜欢杰夫的动机。我的意思是，我想，你知道，他如此——所以我为他们而活，但换个方式说，如果有一个按钮，我按下去就能删除蓝色起源，我不会按。所以我认为，他把钱花在制造火箭上是件好事，你知道，只是百事要多花些时间。它——但你知道，这取决于——取决于他，这里要说明一点。

所以，我的任何公司所做的任何事情，都不是为了扼杀竞争。事实上，我们做的恰恰相反。所以在 Tesla，我们已经把专利开源，任何人都可以使用任何人专利我们的来源开放我们有 Tesla 在所以相反。做了我们的专利免费，有多少家公司没有这样做过？你能说出一家吗？我说不出来。在 SpaceX，我们不使用模式。

所以我的意思是说，偶尔我们会申请一项专利，只是为了防止某些专利流氓制造麻烦，但我们没有阻止任何——我们所做的，我们没有做过任何反竞争的事。我们没有做任何事来阻止一个——不只是你——完全没有。我只是想向观众澄清，因为有些公司确实做过、做过反竞争的事情。我认为认为这我事情。反竞争的做过有公司这个奇怪之处在于这个不同寻常的。

SpaceX 和 Tesla 不同寻常之处在于，我们做过有助于竞争的事情。所以在 Tesla，我们已经让超级充电系统开放接入。我们让我们的我们接入，我们接入。充电技术我们接入，免费提供给其他制造商。我之所以知道围墙花园，我们本来可以改为在路上竖起一道墙。

我们邀请他们进来，不过我之所以提到这一点，是因为你取得了成功取得了你因为不过是这一点提到我原因这在实体物理世界中的成功，你知道。

现在有现在有这些非常艰难的现在有决定现在有，它们对世界产生巨大影响，却根本不是物理层面的决定，而是心智的决定，是你和其他人必须作出的决定，这就带来了一个问题：你们究竟是否应该作出这些决定，而我是在星链的背景下思考这件事的。

显然，曾有报道谈到它在乌克兰是如何被使用的，以及这场艰难的战争；也有人问到，你知道，台湾，台湾是否应该使用它，或者是否会使用它。我相信他们现在没有用，因为他们担心，在在在某个时候，也许中国人会在会告诉你，你必须——他们对你拥有影响力，而你到时候将不得不把它关闭。这些是这些是非常艰难的决定。

而我非常好奇你是怎么想的你怎么想好奇所以我以及决定，艰难非常是这些关于那件事，而且不仅是这些决定，还有你拥有这种权力这一事实。我认为让观众明白这一点很重要。我之所以拥有这些权力，不是因为某些反竞争行为，而仅仅是因为我们执行得非常好。

哦，我并没有否认这一点，我认为顺便说一句，有很多人非常支持你所——外面已经有死灯了，你知道，但它们——但它们不如你的好，而同样，我们也许可以对汽车和其他一切提出同样的论点。但结果是，这赋予了那结果一个作为但其他。

一切以及汽车的论点同样赋予你巨大的影响力，对吧，好吧，顺便说一句，除了这些广告商不在 X 上之外，在其他所有情况下，每个人都需要你。嗯，我的意思是，如果我们的产品比你——比其他人的产品更好，没人不让他们使用我们的产品。如果确实有其他更好的产品，我接受这一点，也许有一天，所以我也可以创造出更好的产品。

比如，你知道，比如，产品比如，产品。怎么比如，产品是这件事，让其他公司制造更好的产品？嗯，不过我想回到这件事，回到 Starling 的这一部分，因为就你的权力以及你如何看待那项具体权力而言，它具有某种地缘地缘政治影响，然后是美国所拥有的权力。

政府可能对你拥有权力，或者不对不或者你对要么拥有可能政府美国那权力对你，中国政府的权力可能对你拥有，或者并不对你拥有，以及这些东西会如何被使用。我们在——你是在暗示什么？我是在围绕这个这个非常具体的想法提问，也就是这些卫星将如何被使用。

你是否认为你应该拥有控制权控制拥有应该你认为你是否被使用。对它们的，政府是否应该拥有对它们的控制权是政府。嗯，那是一个——有很多人根本不信任政府。没错。但这就又回到了对你的信任。对吧？我的意思是，就像说过的，我们不是唯一一家拥有通信卫星的公司。

有被认为是灯的东西，只是比他们的好得多。所以并不是说我们增加了垄断。你是否觉得你是否觉得好像有人受到了攻击？拥有你觉得好像任何人你是否觉得你是否垄断没有受到攻击？并不是说你觉得有人对你拥有影响力。

我的意思是，我认为归根结底，如果我们制造出人们不想使用的糟糕产品，那么投票将会用户使用那么不想人们的如果我们制造糟糕产品，用户会用他们的资源投票，而你别的东西。它撞到这段对话一下。

我的意思是，当然，我和我的公司受到监管机构的监督，而且而你知道，一旦它一旦知道，你而且受到监管机构以及我的公司被监督它自 SpaceX 亲爱的 Tesla。受到监督由受到累计受到超过 100 个监管机构的监督，实际上还不止，是几百个监管机构，因为你要知道，我们在 55 个国家，如果你把我每次我如果国家的次数加起来。

几十年来曾与数百名监管者发生争执，这听起来可能非常糟糕，除了他们忘了提到，我们遵守了 1000 万项。我们遵守的加拉提安，而我不同意的只有 5 项，那一点争斗这 5 项，于是听起来就像，哇，这家伙真是个特立独行者。

我会说，是啊，但我们遵守的那 1000 万项呢？你是否限制一个与此相关的事情，以及各国和各种事物对你的影响力和监管者，X 是这个言论自由平台，你平台做平台，商业平台在中国许多商业中国。那是你业务的重要组成部分。我想，嗯，不包括 SpaceX。

你如何看待你如何这你如何中国人对你的那种影响力，他们是否对你拥有影响力，以及对于一些人会说，你在中国做生意，或者坦率地说也在其他国家做生意，这是否虚伪，你对此有何感受，因为这涉及 X 以及其他不遵循这种自由这种遵循不那事物以及其他 X 哪里，因为它涉及你所倡导的言论自由道路。

他们的平台所能做的最好事情，就是遵守任何特定国家的法律。你认为我们还能做些什么吗？我认为那会非常困难。但我只是想知道，鉴于你一直公开表达的那种坚定哲学立场，你是否会对自己说，你知道，也许我不应该在那个国家做生意。嗯，首先，Starling 和 SpaceX 在中国完全没有任何业务。

Tesla在中国有4座车辆工厂中的一座工厂，而中国的，你知道，我不知道，占我们市场的四分之一之类的。所以，这是一个公司市场的四分之一。顺便说一句，所有其他汽车公司也是如此。它们也有大约那个量级、那个量级的某种东西，也有公司。它们汽车其他的四分之一销量在中国。

所以，如果你如果那对Tesla来说是个问题，就会给每家汽车公司打气。我的意思是，我认为必须小心，不要把各家公司混为一谈，因为我只能做法律界限之内的事情。我不能做超出那个界限的事。我的愿望是在合法范围内尽可能多做好事，并尽可能富有成效。除此之外我无能为力，我想转向谈一会儿AI。

我们请来了詹森·王，他是你的超级粉丝，你知道，是啊，约翰逊也谈到谈到顺便说一句和伊利亚一起给你带来第1个盒子，有意思的是。是的，那是在2016年。我想有一段视频，是詹森和在open a. i.拆开第1台AI计算机的包装。所以我非常好奇，你怎么看过去2周里刚刚发生的事，当时你还在应对这另一条头条新闻、一连串头条新闻。

我是一个完全不同的整个头条。我是一个的系列头条其他这与系列的已经演变成一个异丙醇 AI。你怎么看？嗯，你创办了它，共同创办的。哦，创办了它。

是啊，我很好，整个这个，嗯嗯，Arc，嗯，关于open和I，坦率地说有点令人不安，因为创办opening I的原因，是为了给谷歌谷歌和DeepMind建立一个制衡力量，而当时它们拥有全部AI人才的三分之二，以及基本上无限的资金和算力，而且没有，没有制衡力量。

那是一个单极世界，拉里·佩奇和我过去是非常亲密的朋友，我会住在他家，而我，而家他的住在我会，而朋友亲密是非常地，然后我和拉里谈。谈到深夜，关于AI安全，太晚了，太晚了，太晚了，而我渐渐明显地看出，拉里并不关心AI安全。

我想，也许让这一点露馅的是，他因为我支持人类而称我是物种主义者，也就是，你知道，像清除者，不过针对的是物种，所以我就想，等一下。拉里，你站哪一边？然后我就想，好吧。听着，这家伙说我是最可疑的。他不关心AI安全。我们必须在这里有某种对立观点，因为这看起来像是我们可能会，这不只是，这不好。所以，好吧。

我其实一开始做它时，它本来是要开源的。我以开源之名给它取名，先是结束，然后是 II。事实上它是闭源的，超级，事实上闭源是它的源。睁开我的眼睛，在结束之后超级封闭。你应该把它改名、重新命名为以利润最大化为目的的超级闭源。可以这么说，因为它实际上就是这样。我的意思是，命运喜欢讽刺。

我的意思是，事实上我的一个朋友有这种说法，比如预测结果的方法，就是最讽刺的结果会被投票选中。这就像奥卡姆剃刀，比如最简单的那种解释最有可能，而我的朋友加入我们，观众们，最讽刺的结果最有可能，而这就是 open a. i. 身上发生的事。它已经从一个开源的。

基金会，一个 501 C3，突然变成了一家价值 900 亿美元、带着衣架子的营利性公司。所以我不知道你怎么从这里走到那里。但那似乎像是一个，我不知道你怎么做到的。我不知道这是否合法。这就像，那所以当你看到萨姆·奥尔特曼被赶下台时，是的，被某个人，你知道，埃利亚，而氦是一个曾经是你朋友的人。是的，你把他带到了那里，你和拉里·佩奇的关系实际上。

因为你把他挖走而破裂。我认为这是正确的。事实是，在我招募伊利亚之后，拉里拒绝再和我做朋友，所以现在埃利亚显然是在说，有些事情非常不对劲。我认为我们应该对此感到担忧，因为我认为埃莉其实有很强的道德指南针。

他会思考，你知道，他真的会为孰是孰非的问题焦虑不已，而如果他的感受强烈到想要，你知道，解雇萨姆，萨姆。嗯，我认为全世界都应该知道那个理由是什么。你和他谈过吗？我联系过他，但他不想和任何人谈。事情发生时，你有没有和幕后的其他人谈过。我和很多人谈过，却没有人，我没有找到任何人。

谁知道为什么，你有吗，我认为我们都还在努力弄清楚，我的意思是，只有两种情况，要么那是一件严重的事，而我们应该知道它是什么，要么那不是一件严重的事，然后，然后董事会就应该辞职。你怎么看萨姆·奥尔特曼？我对萨姆有复杂的感受。我确实如此。你知道权力之戒。你知道，它会腐蚀人。而这里就是权力之戒，所以，你知道，我不知道。

我想知道为什么伊利亚如此强烈地认为要解雇萨姆，这听起来像是一件严重的事。我不认为这微不足道。而且，而且我，而且相当担心这件事，这个，嗯，你知道，你，AI 的危险元素，他们已经，他们已经发现了？是的，你认为他们发现了什么东西？那会是我的猜测。你自己的 AI 工作进展到了哪里，相对于你认为 open AI 所在的位置，以及你认为 Google 所在的位置。

其他人在哪里，我的意思是，在 AI 方面，我在这里多少有些左右为难，因为从大学时起，我就认为我可能会成为某种以重大方式改变世界的东西。我的意思是，大约 30 年前。嗯，我没有上大学的原因，从一开始的公牛日。我写道，是因为我不确定这把双刃剑的哪一边，哪一边会更锋利，好的那一刃，大桶那一刃。

所以我暂缓了在我本可以创造的 AI 上做任何事情。我想，领导一家公司，某种 open I，其实某种程度上就是那样，因为我只是不确定，如果你造出这个魔法精灵，会发生什么？你知道，而我认为，建设可持续能源技术更像是一把单刃剑。那就是，那把单刃剑，单刃。好的，让生命遍布多个行星。我认为是单刃的好事。

你在拖延，大多是单刃的好事。我的意思是，为那些，你知道，没有、没有，你知道，连接，或者连接太昂贵的人提供更好的连接，我认为是非常，你知道，非常好的事情。所以，只有……顺便说一句发挥了关键作用，还有整件事，俄罗斯的推进，乌克兰人说，所以，所以，你知道，我认为有，认为，知道，我，所以，你，所以说乌克兰的，推进俄罗斯的那个，如果它是 AI，你就得到了魔法精灵。

问题。你可能以为自己想要一个魔法精灵。但一旦你让精灵从瓶子里出来，就很难说会发生什么，我们距离那个 Jeanne 具备某种身体还有多远，认为我们认为它已经出来了。那个精灵肯定已经把头探出来了。

那个 AGI，那个，通用人工智能的概念，鉴于你现在自己正在做的事情，而且你知道训练、创造这些推理、创造这个等待有多容易或多困难。希望我没有太过钻进这东西如何运作的细枝末节。但那些是这件事的软件端背后的基础。很有意思，你知道，所有这些权重。

它们基本上就是一个……里的数字，只是权重，很有意思，你知道，全都在逗号分隔值文件里。那就是我们的数字上帝，CSV 文件。关于那些很有意思，关于那些是，关于那些是，关于那些是，但这差不多就是它的字面含义。所以我认为它来得相当快，你知道，是这样吗，我的意思是，你出了名地承认过自己夸大了事情发生的速度。但你认为这会多快发生？

你是说，在任何事情上都比最聪明的人更聪明。是的。那时它可能还不会比所有人类都聪明，机器增强的人类，你知道，因为我们一直都拿到了计算机之类的东西，这是更高的门槛。但你说比任何……都更小，你知道，能写出和比如 J·K·罗琳一样好的小说，或者发现新的物理学，或者发明新技术。我会说，我们距离那个时刻不到 3 年。

让我问你一个关于 xAI、关于你正在做什么的问题，因为有一个不同的有趣之处。我认为，是关于你相对于其他一些人拥有什么，也就是你有数据，你有信息，你拥有这里每个人放到平台上供你梳理的所有东西，并且通过梳理到平台，在上面放了这里的每个人，我不，每个人一开始都意识到这一点。那有什么价值？

是的，我是，数据非常重要。你可以说，它可能比黄金更有价值。但那样的话，也许你实际上，也许你拥有更多，你也许以一种不同的方式在 X 里拥有黄金，再说一次，我不知道公众是否理解这意味着什么。是的，X 是，可能是唯一最好的数据来源。我的意思是，那里有更多。你知道，人们的链接，它们会去填，点击指向 2x 的链接比地球上任何其他东西都多。

有时人们认为 Facebook 或 Instagram 是更大的东西，但实际上有更多链接指向外部任何你能，这些是公开信息，你可以 Google 一下。好吧。让我问你一个，所以它是，它是一个你可以找到在任何给定时刻地球上正在发生什么的地方，整个开放一个戏剧上演了，了。了，事实上，在了。在出口形式上。所以它是一个，是它形式。所以专家那个在事实上了。

上演了开放一个的戏剧，它不在那里。你知道，Google 肯定拥有海量数据，Microsoft 也是。所以它并不像 B 是最好的数据来源之一。我能问你一个有趣的知识产权问题吗，我认为这实际上是某件我可以作为一个身处创作者行业和新闻行业等等的人来说的事情，我们在乎版权。

所以，关于用数据进行训练，其中一件事一直是这样一种观念，即你不会训练，或者这些东西并没有基于人们受版权保护的信息进行训练，从历史上看，这一直是那个概念。是的。那是一个弥天大谎。再说一遍。它们就是如此。这些显然全都是基于受版权保护的内容训练的，所以你认为，当开放人工智能说情况不是这样时，那是谎言，这些人中没有谁说他们正在基于受版权保护的天进行训练。

那是谎言。那是谎言，一个谎言。它是一个尽管。那是受版权保护的天，那些人让他们的训练，彻头彻尾，彻头彻尾的谎言。好吧，我们说很快，显然它是在穿孔数据上训练的。好吧。

所以，让我问第2个问题，也就是所有那些一直在上传内容的人，而这就像不管什么时刻，所有人都一直在把不同文章、视频中的文章最佳引文上传到 X，所有这些都可以被用于训练，而这很有意思，因为人们把所有那些东西放在那里，而那里那些全都放人因为有意思它而而那些引文历来一直被视为合理使用，对吧，人们确实在上传那些引文，而就单独来看，在合理使用的范围内，你会说，好吧，这说得通。

但现在有人会发长串帖子，顺便说一句，可能有多个人都这么做过，你知道，一篇文章可能有1000个词，严格来说，所有1000个词都可能以某种方式被放到了 X 上，而实际上现在你就拥有了这个非凡的资料库，我想知道你对此又是怎么看的，以及你认为创意群体和那些原始的原始知识产权。

那些人和创意群体的那些 A 所有者应该如何看待这件事。我不知道，只能说，等这些诉讼裁决下来时，我们就会拥有数字上帝。所以那就是数字。那就是数字，那就是数字。到那时的上帝。那就是数字，这些诉讼不会在仍具有现实意义的时间范围内得到裁决。仍具有现实意义的范围。一个时间在之前裁决不会得到。这是好事还是坏事？

我想我们生活，你知道，有那么一句话，我不知道它是不是真正的中国说法，但愿你生活在有趣的时代？但显然不是，但时代，一个但时代？好事，但时代，但好事好事，好事，而我个人更愿意，我更愿意生活在有趣的时代，而我们正生活在最有趣的时代。我想有那么一阵子。

我当时真的变得失去动力，并因为。某种人工智能危险的威胁而失眠，后来我终于有点听天由命了，并说道，好吧，即使我知道毁灭是必然的。我会选择活着什么在那个时候还是否，什么，而我说我可能会选择活在那个时候，因为这是最有趣的事情。即使我对此无能为力。

所以后来，你知道，后来基本上是一种宿命式的听天由命，帮助我晚上入睡，因为我晚上一直睡不好，因为AI的危险，现在该怎么办。我的意思是，我一直是敲响警钟声音最大的人，或者说到目前为止敲得最用力、时间最长的人，或者说是为高度危险敲得时间最长的人之一，而这些正在发生的监管事项正在发生。

正在发生这件事的最大单一原因就是我，我们究竟能不能控制住它。我们今天下午和副总统谈过。她说她想监管它，人们多年来一直试图监管社交媒体，却没有做成任何有效的事情。嗯，任何像是对公众构成实际危险、对公众构成危险的东西，都受到监管。所以比如汽车，比如对公众。

一种危险，对危险，实际的，一种，是受到严格监管的。而通信和我有，而早期受到监管的火箭和和飞机都受到严格监管，监管的一般理念是，当某种东西对公众构成危险时，需要有一些州长监督？所以在我看来，AI比核弹更危险，而我们监管核弹。你不能直接在自家后院制造一枚核弹。

我认为我们现在应该对我实行某种监管，这种紧张导致AI加速派群情激愤，因为他们认为我算是基本上拥有，但你通常不喜欢，不通常，但你基本上，拥有的是算认为我监管。

在Tesla的这件事上，你大多数时候都在反击监管机构，而且有如此如此多的例子，我们读到关于你反击、推动你的文章，关于文章读到我们在那里例子许多如此关于监管机构。我非常好奇。为什么在这个例子里，现在你拥有这类企业中的一家。正如我刚才说的，正如，正如，正如一个人不应该把媒体呈现的内容当成全貌。

确实有数百项，比如这可能并不夸张。所以大概有1亿项法规是可能公司要遵守的，而大概有5项我们不遵守，而且如果它们，如果我们，而不同意其中一些法规，那是因为我们认为本意是做好事的法规实际上并没有做好事。但如果存在法律和规则，那并不是要飞行法规的问题。

无论是你正在作出决定的那些想法，即法律和那个，无论那个，无论规则不应该是法律，关于规则，然后，对吧，那不是我在说的，遵循我的名字被拿走了，而且而且你显然应该知道自己弄错了。我的公司，汽车业务，受到严格监管。如果我们不遵守这一大套法规，我们就不会获准把汽车开上路。

现在你可以，你可以把必须遵守的法规堆满这个舞台，确实，你知道，堆到6英尺高。为了制造一辆汽车和制造，你可以有一个堆满电话簿的房间。法规就是有那么多，就是那么庞大，而如果你不遵守所有这些法规，你就不能卖车；如果我们不遵守有关火箭或Starling的所有法规，他们就会把我们击落。

所以事实上，我极其遵守法规；现在偶尔会有某件事是我不同意的，我之所以会不同意它。是因为我认为在那个特定的、罕见的情况下，那项法规。我们的情况，我们的情况并没有，我们的情况服务于公共利益，我们的情况，因此我认为，反对一项本意是服务于公共利益的法规是我的义务。

如果它没有做到，那是我唯一会反对的时候，不是因为我寻求反对。事实上，我极其遵守规则。让我问你另一个问题，是一个与社交媒体有关的问题。我们今天一直在谈选举前的滴答声，先生。足球，你怎么看滴答声？你认为它是国家安全威胁吗？我不使用像谈话，再说一次。你不用，我个人不用。

但对于那些人，对于青少年和20多岁的人来说，他们似乎几乎，而且而且虔诚地而且对技术上瘾。所以我们会每天看大约2小时Tech talk。当我感觉AI在探测我的思想时，我就不再使用TikTok了，我不让我感到不舒服。所以我停止使用它。至于反犹内容，我的意思是，TikTok上充斥着这些内容。

它拥有传播最广的反犹内容，反犹的，传播最广的，有那个。TikTok上到处都是反犹内容，远远超过其他平台，但你认为中国政府正利用它来操纵。美国人的思想吗。不过这是你认为我们应该担心的事情吗？我的意思是，有不同的州正试图封禁它。

我不认为这是一个有时正在进行的阴谋，但它是，TikTok算法完全是一个高功率的。所以它其实只是在努力寻找尽可能最容易传播的东西，那就是会让你一直盯着屏幕的东西。那块屏幕。让你盯着的就是它现在会做的，单从绝对数量来看。

全世界大约有20亿穆斯林，而我认为，你知道，你知道，你知道，数量少得多，你知道，犹太人大约有2000万，少了许多个数量级。所以如果你只看内容生产，只按不确定的数量计算，它将压倒性地是闪米特的。让我问你另一个混乱的政治问题，我很长时间以来一直试图在脑子里把这件事理顺。

是的，在过去2年或3年里，你明显转向了右翼，我认为，我有吗，嗯，我们可以讨论这个。我认为你一直在拥护和宣传多名共和党候选人及其他人，你对body政府非常不满，我想是因为工会，以及觉得他们不尊重你所创造的东西。

嗯，我的意思是，在完全没有做任何事去挑衅老兵政府的情况下，他们在白宫举行了一场电动汽车峰会，却明确拒绝让Tesla参加，而这并不是第一次，而且这是这届政府的6个月，而且这，而且我们询问，就像我们生产的电动汽车确实比其他所有人加起来还多。为什么不允许我们参加？

为什么你只让你的84、GM、克莱斯勒和UAW参加，而且明确不允许我们参加白宫的电动汽车峰会。我们没有做任何事去挑衅他们，然后拜登继续雪上加霜，公开说GM正在引领电动汽车演进。这发生在同一个季度，当时Tesla生产了300,000辆电动汽车，而GMA生产了26辆。你觉得这公平吗？所以怪异的Kappa告诉我，那么这看起来确实不公平。

而且而且我反复问过，你可能看到过我，但我们和奥巴马的关系很好。所以这并不是一个愚蠢的数量，但后来还有其他持续很长的。我站了某些小时，为了生病。我排了6小时的队去和奥巴马的头性交。好吧，所以我们就，好吧。所以让我从个人层面问一下。让我就从个人层面问，所以我们就，好吧。所以让，好吧，头。我可以从你脸上看出来，这件事，这件事伤害了你本人。

而且我希望公司并且，而且这是一种侮辱，你知道，Tesla有140,000名员工？好的，员工中的。其中一半在美国，Tesla创造的制造业就业岗位比其他所有人加起来还多。所以我们问这个，那么你至少投入了生命中过去接近20年的时间。如果不是更多的话，用于气候、气候变化，努力让Tesla起步，部分目的是改善气候。

你反复谈到那是一种真正的右翼动机，如果有什么的话，还到了极右翼，我明白这一点，然后这就是，这是好人的反向心理学，更高层次。嗯，不是，但所以问题是，你如何解释你给予的支持，支持，我相信你参加过沃格·拉马斯瓦米的筹款活动。例如，他说气候、气候问题是一场骗局，对吧？我在这一点上不同意他的观点。

我，但我会认为，那对你来说会是一个如此独一无二的问题。我会认为，气候问题对你来说是一个如此独一无二的问题，以至于实际上，几乎任何不认真对待这个问题的人都会因此失去资格。嗯，我还没有支持任何人竞选总统。

我的意思是，我想听听他们要说什么，因为我觉得他有些东西在那里，他说的一些东西我觉得相当站得住脚，你知道，他担心政府越权，但关于枪支管控信息。我的意思是，旧 Twitter 基本上是政府的提线木偶，这种程度很荒谬。所以，你知道，在我看来，我看来，这似乎是，似乎它知道，你，所以，荒谬。

是那个，对修正案存在非常严重的违反，就政府控制了多少、政府对整个 Twitter 拥有多少控制权而言，而现在已经不再如此了，所以，你知道，第一修正案的存在是有原因的。

第一修正案之所以保障言论自由，是因为移民到这个国家的人来自一个没有言论阅读的地方，而且而且他们就像，你知道吗，我们必须确保那被写进宪法，因为在他们原来的地方，如果他们说了什么，我们就会放上简历，无论那是，你知道，都会有不好的事情发生在他身上。所以而且言论自由，你必须说，它什么时候才相关？

只有当一个你不喜欢的人可以说一些你不喜欢的话时，它才有意义，或者它有它或者像难道你某事说可以像难道你没有意义，而一旦你算是，你知道，认输并承认审查。某个人审查你只是时间问题，而这就是我们有第一修正案的原因。

比如说，如果是，如果他们是拜登与特朗普的选举，你能想象自己投票给拜登总统吗？我想我不会投给维生素。你投给特朗普。那就投给特朗普，但我的意思是，这确实是，这是一个艰难的选择。你知道，我们会，你会，还是你会投给妮基·黑利？顺便说一句，妮基·黑利，曾经，黑利，所有社交媒体名字都要被曝光，就像，你知道，不，我认为那太离谱了。对。不。

不，我不会投票给某些支持审查的人。加拿大那个。就像加拿大和审查支持者某些投票给要去我不喜欢那样。我的意思是，我认为这些你必须、你必须考虑到，这些修正案中蕴含着大量智慧，想想，你知道，我是说《宪法》，还有，你知道，很多这些、很多我们在美国这里视为理所当然的东西，在加拿大甚至都不存在。

加拿大没有足够的宪法言论自由权。所以，你知道，所以，而且加拿大没有米兰达权利，人们好像认为，就像，你知道，你有权保持沉默。实际上在加拿大你没有。所以，所以你没有加拿大人我所以可以给你留点咖啡，但你知道，所以就像你只是得你说这些关于言论自由的事情极其重要。

即使人们说了而且我喜欢那个，因为它是一个、它实际上尤其重要。事实上，只有当你不喜欢的人可以说你不喜欢的话时，它才有意义，而你觉得现在因为它们毫无意义，你觉得现在共和党候选人相对于民主党人更倾向于。

我的意思是，这就是你会谈到的，我猜是，觉醒和反觉醒、反觉醒，猜是22觉醒，以及你谈过的思想病毒问题。鉴于你看到的所有事情，你认为哪个党更支持言论自由。我们也看到，你知道，德桑蒂斯，你知道，阻止人们阅读某些东西。也许你，但也许你认为那是、那是、那是正确的。

不，听着，我们这里实际上处于一种奇怪的局面，总体而言，民主党人似乎比共和党人更支持斯宾塞审查。以前情况正好相反，以前，你知道，左派的立场是言论自由。

你知道，我相信 ACL u-- 曾经甚至为某个人声称自己不是看见或类似东西的权利进行辩护，你知道，所以就像他们不在那里，实际上就像左派是我们3个人的桃子是根本性的，而我的意思是，我的欺骗也许并不准确，即支持审查的更多是在左派而不是右派。

我们当然会收到更多来自左派和右派的投诉，因为那样，所以，但我对 X 平台的愿景是，它成为最好的真相来源，或者最不不准确的真相来源。真相，还有，好吧，还有真相。你知道，我不知道你会不会相信我，但我认为，但我不，我，或者相信你不会知道，不要我知道，好吧，你，诚实是上策，而且我认为真相会获胜。

在加时赛中，而且在加时赛中，你知道，我们在加时赛中有了这个、这个很棒的系统，而且它正在变得更好，叫作社区注释，非常棒。我认为它会纠正虚假内容或补充背景。事实上，我们特意不删除任何内容，而只是添加背景，现在这个背景可以、可以包括“这完全是假的”，以及原因，而且、而且、而且没有人能免于此。

我不能免于此，广告商它免于不我是这个。对是免于一个没有广告商不能免于此。事实上，我们已经有过社区。注释，这导致我们损失了一些广告，说到损失了一些广告收入。我们支持社区注释，如果一个应用如果这是虚假广告，社区注释会说这是假的，原因如下，让我比如有一个属于公共知识的具体例子。

所以我要提一下，就是曾经有一段时间 Uber 有过它，它这则广告写着“像老板一样赚钱”，然后它被社区注释了，如果按老板，如果按注释，社区，是它，而老板说“像一个……一样赚钱”，哪则广告，老板，你的意思是，还有每小时47美分，这个遥远的原因导致阿鲁巴至少暂时暂停了广告。

我得问你一个可能让房间里的每个人都感到舒服或不是不舒服的问题，它涉及言论自由问题，《纽约时报》公司和《纽约时报》报纸在夏季期间似乎受到了限流。《纽约时报》怎么了？嗯，我们确实要求每个人都必须购买订阅，我们不会。

作出、作出例外给作出、作出任何人，而且、而且我认为，如果我想要《纽约时报》，我必须付费订阅，而他们不会给我免费订阅。所以我不会给他们免费订阅。

但是你当时，你当时有没有相对于其他新闻机构、相对于其他所有人限制《纽约时报》的流量，它是不是、是不是、是不是专门针对时报的，它适用于格里芬，唯一的费用大约是每月1000美元。所以如果他们就那么做，那么、那么他们就重新回到马鞍上了，但是、但是、但是你是在说它当时受到了限流，现在我是在说，我的意思是，你进行过一次谈话吗？

是不是某个人，你说，听着，是不是某个人你，是不是某个人你你知道，我对是不是某个人你时报不满意，他们要么应该购买订阅，而我不喜欢他们的内容或诸如此类，任何拒绝购买订阅的机构都不会被推荐。但是那对于自由意味着什么？言论，以及这对于放大意味着什么，我们搜索它要花一点点钱，对吧，但就是这样。

但那很有意思。是的，就像一部《南方公园》，我可以说，你知道，自由不是免费的，要花1.05美元或者随便多少。所以但它相当便宜。好吧，它是所以，低成本所以所以，低成本的自由。我还有几个问题要问你。这之后你要回得克萨斯州。我们要发布止动卡车。是的。

这将是一次大型发布，但我现在想更广泛地问问你汽车业务，这个、这个、这个，以及你认为实际上正在发生什么，具体来说，正如你所知，政府制定了许多政策，试图鼓励更多 Evie's，而其中一件独特发生的事情是，现在有很多汽车公司说，实际上这对我们来说过于雄心勃勃。这些计划对1000家经销商来说过于雄心勃勃。

我不知道你是否看到，就在昨天向白宫发了一封信，说这已经走得太远了。你走得太远了，你已经远了你太正在走走得太远了。你有这在电视上说有这个。

那是一个、那是这个，那是进展得太快了，那是太远了，而且没有足够的需求，这一切之下是他的想法，也许对 Evie's 没有足够的需求，美国公众还没有接受这个，我的意思是，他们接受了，和、和你的公司，但他们还没有足够广泛地接受它。嗯，我认为，如果你制造出一款有吸引力的电动汽车，如果你会买它，这是毫无疑问的。

我的意思是，中国的电动汽车销量极其庞大。庞大，那遥遥领先地是最大的类别，最大那遥遥领先地庞大是中国销量在汽车，而我认为情况会是这样。不，我的意思是，这一点值得注意。好吧。所以可能对此最好的声誉是，所以，好吧，Tesla Model y 将成为今年地球上所有类型汽车中最畅销的汽车。

任何类型，汽油或汽油或其他，你认为还有哪家汽车公司在这些方面做得不错？我的意思是，我认为中国所谓的公司极具竞争力，迄今为止我们最强的竞争对手都在中国。所以，我的意思是，有、有很多人认为，排名前10的汽车公司将是 Tesla，后面跟着9家中国公司。我认为他们可能没有错。所以中国是所以错。

不可能他们我认为公司。汽车中国9家超级擅长制造，而且职业道德令人难以置信。所以你知道，就像，如果我们考虑 Tesla 竞争力的不同联赛，我们认为中国联赛是最具竞争力的。

顺便说一句，我们在中国做得非常好，因为正在努力，中国团队是最好的中国。你有多担心工会已经、工会化行动刚刚在——我应该说是尝试。可是，可是尝试，新的、新的工资，比如通用汽车和福特那边的，意味着他们正冲你而来。他们正冲你而来。这对你和你的业务将意味着什么？

嗯，我是说，我认为公司里网上的人之间，你知道，一个群体和另一个群体之间存在对立关系，总体来说并不好。事实上，我是说，我不赞同工会这个想法，但教授的意思是，我的理由与你可能预想的不同，也就是我只是不喜欢任何会造成某种领主与农民之类局面的东西。而且我认为工会自然会试图制造。

公司里的负面情绪，负面情绪，负面情绪，并且、并且制造一种领主与农民的局面。Tesla 有许多人从在生产线上工作一路走到高级管理层。这里没有法律与农民。每个人都在同一张桌子吃饭，或者大致一个停车场，你知道，通用汽车有一部仅供高级管理人员使用的专用电梯。Tesla 没有这种东西，你知道，在 Tesla，这种东西，没有高管。

我们有高级，只为那些我确实认识生产线上员工的事情，因为我在生产线上工作过，我走过生产线，我睡在工厂里，我在他们身边工作。所以对他们来说我并不陌生，而且他们其实很多次。我说过，嗯，我们就不能举行一次工会投票吗？但显然公司不被允许举行工会投票。所以这必须以某种方式很酷，但工会做不到。

所以我说，我们只需要举行一次投票，看看会发生什么。实际的问题。它是、它是相反的。不是人们被困住，是人们不是相反。它是、是、是问题，被困在 Tesla 造车，这趟旅程。挑战在于，当他们还有大约 6 个更容易做的其他机会时，我们要如何留住优秀的人来从事造车这项艰苦的工作？

实际的困难在于，欺凌汽车是艰苦的工作，而且、而且有容易得多的工作，我只想说，我非常感谢那些拥有汽车的人，而他们知道这一点，你知道，所以有、有、有，我不知道。也许会有你的友善。

如果我说，比如，如果 Tesla 得到了你的夜晚，那会是因为我们罪有应得，而且我们以某种方式倒下了，但我们当然非常努力地设法确保每个人都能繁荣。我们给每个人股票期权。制造了 我们期权。股票 每个人 给 我们 每个人。的繁荣 我们让许多只是在生产线上工作的人。他们甚至不知道股票是什么，我们让他们成了百万富翁。所以我们要准时进行最后几个简短问题。

你什么时候有时间？发推文或者发帖。其实我一直都想着这件事，就像我说的，我上洗手间时用它。有时候我一直用它，意思是，如果我们要是，如果我们要是打开手机看看屏幕使用时间。你的是什么样？嗯，大约每3个小时我会去一趟洗手间，而那就是你唯一做这件事的时间，感觉你经常待在上面。

不，我是说，我确实会，他们会像是会议之间的短暂时刻。我的意思是，这显然不是，我像是有17份工作，所以，你知道，所以所以，还有所以，不不，我想严格来说，这在这一点上是工作，确实是，但我只是从你分享想法的角度来想。我的意思是，顺便说一句，有很多本该工作的人却在这个应用上，严格来说，在 Twitter 上发帖是0，或者说 X 是工作，它确实算工作。

所以那就是，你知道，有那个，但不，我的意思是，我觉得我在上面。嗯，我想，嗯，通常可能，嗯，我待在上面的时间比我以为的更久，我知道我知道，但你认为你一天的屏幕使用时间，比如每周多少小时。那又是一个，那是个吓人的数字。可能是每周若干小时。我不知道。每天略多于1小时之类的。每天就1小时。

如果我们真的一起看看这个，你带手机了吗？带了，你想看看？好。好，来吧。你准备好看总体的屏幕使用时间了吗，在时间里。在时间里？你准备好时间了吗？有时候。这是个吓人的数字。我知道，所以我才想，我刚换了一部新手机。所以我觉得这个不准确，因为我是一个，它是1分钟 分钟，1，它肯定是。肯定不止这些。好吧，这是整周的。要么走。

对，去吧姑娘，切到整周。好，所以它太不对了。肯定不止4分钟。我刚换了一部新手机。所以这不准确。警察是4分钟新手机。蒂姆·库克的手机末端，如果是新手机，谁会，你知道，顺便说一句，我应该问问，因为我刚才提到了蒂姆·库克。你觉得自己最终会不得不和他打一仗吗，那是下一场争斗吗？

我的意思是，我会在 App Store 之上，打电话这个想法。你是说比如，不。不，所以 App Store 的价值，造一部手机。萨姆·奥尔特曼显然，我在考虑和乔尼·艾维一起造一部手机。我的意思是，我觉得没有真正的必要造手机，也许如果那些是必需的需求，扩音器，或者让它变得有趣，但我有很多事情要处理。

所以我的意思是，我确实认为手机制造商目前面临一个，一个，一个根本性挑战，因为你基本上已经有了，你已经，因为此时有了制造商 手机 那基本上就是一个黑色长方形。你知道，怎么才能让它变得更好？所以你想做那个？那是什么，那在埃隆的脑袋里是什么样？所以那确实就是，是的。好，好说法，在脑袋里，Neuralink。嗯，就是这样。

那样，在结束前我们需要次数。你知道，最好的界面会是一个直接连接你大脑的神经接口，这样它们就会出现在你的生活里。你觉得我们离那还有多远，这看起来有多令人兴奋或可怕，而且我们显然读到了这些关于一只猴子死亡的标题，你知道，我们该如何看待这件事？

对，实际上这个是，对，对，那位美国农业部检查员，对，她来到 Neuralink 设施，真的说过，说真的，Neuralink 设施，在她整个职业生涯中。她从未见过更好的动物护理设施。它是 它，我们是 它，那是你能想象到的最好的通道，甚至对大鼠和小鼠也是如此，尽管它们制造了瘟疫和一切。所以这里就像猴子的天堂。

所以，被混为一谈的事情是，有一些末期的猴子，你知道，这就像，这是实际上几年前的事，当时那些猴子快要死了，而我就想，好吧，我们有一个实验装置。就是这种事情，只会用在一只大约今天的猴子身上。

然后，你知道，现在猴子死了，但并不是因为 Neuralink 而死，是因为它，你知道，患了末期癌症或类似的病。所以你会觉得，它从未造成过猴子死亡，西尔维斯特。我是，除非他们对我隐瞒了什么，它从未造成过猴子死亡。事实上，我们没有让植入神经装置的猴子活了23年，而它们状态很好。

所以，而且我们甚至更换了晚餐，像是2次。它是，而且我们正准备做第一次，它是晚餐，像是2次，它是晚餐，像是2次。它是晚餐，像是2次植入，希望几个月内，Neuralink 的仅有实现。我认为毫无疑问是好的，说到双刃剑。

我认为这些早期实现是单刃剑，因为最初的实现将使那些脑—身体连接受到冲击的人，能够比有双手的人更快地操作电脑或手机。

那样就行，所以你可以想象，如果斯蒂芬·霍金能够比拥有用于身体的功能的人交流得更快，现在，那会有多不可思议，嗯，这就是这个设备将做到的事，而且希望几个月内我们就能在人类身上证明这一点，它在猴子身上已经有效了，在猴子身上运行得相当好，猴子只用，只靠思考就能玩电子游戏，所以接下来，在那种，那些，你知道，处理四肢瘫痪者之后的下一个应用，一些 相当，真的相当多的技巧，将是视觉，视觉是下一个事情，所以就像，如果某个人，比如失去了双眼，或者视神经基本上失效了，那里存在 基本上失效了。

他们没有任何可能，基本上失效了的 基本上失效了。接受某种眼部矫正，那将是你的连接的下一个东西，是直接视觉。

脸，事实上，然后你 脸可以像 脸，脸，《星际迷航》里的乔迪·拉福吉，你可以，你可以看到像任何频率，实际上如果你想，你可以看到雷达，最后几个问题，然后我们要在这场对话中做，我认为这场对话今天已经带大家进入了埃隆·马斯克的内心。不如下面的 Neuralink 那么好。下面的 Neuralink，它实际上转向自动驾驶，它实际上转向下面的 Neuralink。

汽车、视觉以及其他一切，一切以及视觉和汽车，自动驾驶，它实际上会转向，而且我向人们提出过这个问题，让交通部长来判断。3，这实际上是你转发过的东西。所以我想问你同样的问题。关于自动驾驶车辆及其安全性，存在一个大问题。但还有一个问题是，在这个国家，什么时候在政治上能够接受。

人们死在由电脑控制的汽车里，那 那 那，也就是说，我们这个国家每年有35 40千人死亡。对，如果你能把这个数字降到10,000、5,000。那可能是一件好事。但我们认为这个国家会接受这样的想法吗：有5,000人，你的家人可能在一辆车里丧生，原因不是人类犯错，而是一台电脑。是的。

嗯，首先，人类是糟糕的驾驶员，所以人们边发短信边开车，边喝酒边开车，他们会争吵，他们，你知道，会在车里做各种不该做的事。所以，所以，所以，死亡人数没有更多，其实很令人惊讶。我认为，我们会发现，电脑驾驶可能会让死亡人数降低一个数量级。

我认为现在，而且美国的人均死亡人数实际上远少于世界其他地区，世界。若你去若你世界 若你世界。全球范围内，我认为每年因汽车事故导致的死亡人数接近100万。所以我认为，计算机在驾驶之后可能会把这个数字降低。降低90%或更多，它不会，它不会完美，但会比那好10倍。

公众会接受这一点，你认为政府会接受这一点。嗯，在大量的情况下，这个，嗯 嗯，它肯定会明显真实到确实无法否认。那你怎么看？我知道我们以前谈过时间表，也知道有人批评你给出的时间表可能只是尚未成为现实。但你怎么看？是的，确实如此。你有这种感觉吗？你自己说过，当然，当然。

所以，是的，我，我对此很乐观，我是说，我觉得我天生就对时间尺度感到乐观。如果我不是天生乐观，我就不会做这些天生乐观。我正在做的事。天生乐观，我是说，坦率地讲，如果我没有某种病态的乐观，我当然不会想要创办一家岩石公司，或比如一家汽车公司。

所以，正如你指出的，很多人说它们会失败，而事实上我说过，我其实，我同意他们，我说，是的，我们很可能会失败，而他们就说，好吧，但我当时认为SpaceX和Tesla的成功机会低于我像是好吧，10%，在我们创办它们的时候。所以，是的，所有人，但自动驾驶这件事是，我一直对此感到乐观，但我们肯定取得了很大进展，如果任何人 如果进展。

尝试过这个非常 一直在使用这种完全自动驾驶测试版，进展是，你知道，每一年都很显著。现在确实已经到了这样的程度：在大多数地方，它能在无需干预的情况下把你从一个地方带到另一个地方。而数据是，而且明确无误的是 而且 而且受监督的自动驾驶，其安全性大约是人类完全自行驾驶的4倍，或许还要更高。

所以我，你知道，我当然能看到它会在实际上真正的又一个5年或10年到来，然后人们说，哦，不，绝对不会，哦不，绝对不会，绝对不会，你是否觉得投资者投资了某种尚未发生的事情？那样，那样对他们公平吗？这也是人们对此提出的其他问题。嗯，我是说，我认为他们的 Vol 除了极少数例外，都认为这不会发生。

所以，尽管他们认为自己说得非常清楚，认为这不是真的，他们却还在投资，所以真的，这想，不是吗，他们非常清楚，他们在想，他们并不是说，哦，我们，我们就把一切都留给你，而上面写着“完全相信”，我们，我们，但问题是，我的意思是，说我迟了，这会是对我的合理批评，但并不是，不过我最终总会交付。这就是你的最后一个问题。我记下了。

那是11月11日。你在 Twitter 上只写了2个词。你说：“放大同理心。”对。鉴于世界上一直发生的所有事情，这让我很意外。你还记得当时在想什么吗？嗯，我认为这相当字面地是一个，我理解它，但你总是，当时发生了什么。你为什么写那个？嗯，我是在鼓励人们运用同理心。

它字面上是注意力，相当字面，但有什么事情发生了吗？你看到了什么，让你对自己说。我需要，我想说，我想我当时在和一些朋友交谈。我们都同意，应该努力放大同理心，所以我写了一句脏话。如果你想毫无修饰地窥见埃隆·马斯克的内心，我想你刚才已经看到了。你看，有时候事情很简单，你知道。埃隆·马斯克。

非常非常感谢你参与这场对话。谢谢。谢谢。非常感谢你来到这里。把那个带给你的二代表亲。我只想感谢所有坚持到最后的人，今天是非同寻常的一天。我们非常感谢这么多年来一直与我们相伴、每年都回到这里的每一个人。所以，谢谢。谢谢。谢谢。

希望你今天过得很愉快，也希望我们有机会再次这样做。各位，埃隆·马斯克。谢谢。

Please welcome Andrew Ross Sorkin please Please and his please guests CEO of Tesla CEO of SpaceX chief engineer and CTO of X Elon Musk. Good evening everybody. Thank you so much for being with us throughout the day and I couldn't be more pleased to sit with Elon Musk has our final interview of this remarkable time. We've all had together. He doesn't need much of an introduction by which want to say a couple things.

He's the richest person in the world. He very well be the most concise how most consequential individual in the world right the world in individual most consequential console right now. He runs the most Innovative companies. World Tesla SpaceX starlink, which is part of that neuro-link the boring company X and his x. a. I and he's disrupted each of these Lanes.

He's moved at Breakneck Breakneck speeds, but he's facing a storm of controversy in the process. He joins us today following a visit as you all know, so well we discussed earlier on Monday to Israel where he met with the Prime Minister there and the president of Israel and we're going to talk about everything and my hope is that we can talk about how he he thinks about He thinks his influence about he thinks his power about He thinks all of it.

And we're going to talk about Innovation and everything else. I want to say just two other things real quick. So we met each other for the first time 16 years ago. Yes, long time a long time and all the kids were three when we first met I do. I think I do you're just you're about to deliver your first Roadster. I don't think you had yet. Larry Page was still waiting. Yeah. It's to get like in 2007 2008 and I don't agree with a little bit 2008.

I remember going back to The Newsroom and saying I think I just met the next Steve Jobs and it was I'm at a hold to that. Okay, I'm gonna hold to that but a lot has happened between when I first met you and now you came to deal with been boring, that's for sure. Well, actually it taken by a driver boring Kony driver boring kony2012. You came.

To deal book and sat on this stage and we're thrilled to have you back but there's been so much that happens between now and then and there's been so much that's happened in the past week week and a half and a lot of folks and I want to tell you this elevator. A lot of folks called me up and said you really you really going to host Elon Musk here. Can you believe what he just said on Twitter on 1X on? Yeah, Yeah.

Yeah, no idea what this Twitter thing about. Should you platform? Him, that's what they said. Yeah, did you platform then? I said that I think it's our role. And I know you have issues with Journal has a platform and I know you have an issue with journalists often times, but I said it's our role to have conversations and to inquire and to and sometimes even interrogate ideas and that's what I'm hoping. We can do that.

So I want to start just so we can begin this conversation and just level just and conversation this begin can we so just start to I want level said take us through. Everything that happened if you could everything know over the past week and a half of your God we're going to we've got the time, okay. You send out a you send out a post or an X or a tweet, otherwise, whatever.

Yeah, as I'm trying to like when things were just 140 characters that made sense coma tweet because like a bunch of little birds chirping, but when you know point which you can put like three our videos on it's like it's very long tweet. So here we are. This is more descriptive I think and at some point I don't know where you were. But you write in responding to another tweet. Yes.

This is the actual truth and it set off a firestorm of criticism all the way to the White House, right? And then you make this trip to Israel. You have advertisers who left the platform people calling. Well, the trip to Israel is independent of it wasn't something like apology tour. I want to be clear. That was well. Let's talk about that. So just but just take this back.

Back to the moment at which you write that trip to Israel is independent of was like in response to that at all. Well, let's do it will do is really just a moment. I have no problem being hated hated, hated by the way. I hear it away. Well, but you know what, let's go straight to that then for a second sure because there is an idea and you could say that you don't real weakness 21 He liked a real weakness. I do not have that. Let me ask you this.

Then. There's a difference you're saying I don't care if anyone likes me or they hate me, but given your power and given what you have amassed and your the importance you have.

I would think you want to be trusted I would think maybe you don't need to be liked or hate it but trusted matters if if x is going to become a financial platform where people going to put their money where people where the government's going to give you money for four Rockets where people are going to get into the cars.

They need to ultimately decide that you are they don't have to say that they love you, but that you are ultimately a decent and good human being. Yes. being. human good and decent a ultimately you are that but Yes. I am and I think I am.

But but I'm certainly not going to But do but some sort of tap dance to prove to people that I am so as for trust, I mean, I think write that down in a few ways if you want your if you want satellites into orbit reliably SpaceX will do 80% of all master orbit this year China will be 12 percent. The rest of the world will do eight that includes Boeing Lockheed and everyone else.

So the track record of the rocket is the best by far of anything you could you could hey My guts next you could not trust me. It is relevant the rocket track record speaks for itself with respect to Tesla. We make the best cars whether you height your life hate me like me or in different different.

Do you want the best car or do you not want the best car so So I will certainly not Pander and Johnson like the only reason I'm here is because you are a friend. Like what was my speaking fee? You don't you're not making any example. I'm Andrew. But yeah, sorry. It's okay. Second of all, we've known each other for a very long time smoking. Yes, and listen, you know what? I'm trying to illustrate us that sometimes I say the wrong thing.

I think they're a lot of people who are tired, but let me let me go back. You should hear the sketches that SNL wooden post. By the way, those are really good by wooden post and I would say By wooden post. unfortunately or fortunately or unfortunately whatever friendship we have not great. We don't talk to each other that that much but let me ask you this. That's true. Where am I?

Where am I because I need any validation or it is that It it we've been friends for 16 years It and I promised you I'd be here and that's why I'm here. Well, I appreciate you being here for any other reason but let me ask you this. Then. Let's just go at it. Just tell me what happened you write this tweet that says that this is the actual truth people read that tweet. Yes, and they say Elon Musk is an anti-semite that he is.

He's riling up this base you're hearing it from as I said the White House your You get from Jewish groups all over I think Jonathan Greenblatt from the ADL is here. There's lots of people who say this and by the way, it's not just that generally the whole thing during the whole I did and that's why when I ask her responses, excuse me, I said more More responses. Yeah, I said more I said more than what you just read this the other was absent.

There is absolutely more. Yes, but I'll tell you the thing that struck me it wasn't and I'm an American Jew. It wasn't just the people who had that view was actually people who who really are anti-semites who said oh my goodness go go E Lon this is E Lon, fabulous. E Lon E Lon, And that actually was the thing that really me set really really that thing the was actually that And back.

I said I myself what's going on here and I want to know how you felt about What's going on that what's going on in that moment. When you when you saw all of this happening. Yeah. Well, first of all, I did clarify almost immediately what I meant, I would say that that was you know, if I could go back and say I should in retrospect not have replied to that particular person and I should have written in Greater length as to what I meant.

I did subsequently clarify. In replies, but those clarifications were ignored by the media. And essentially I had a loaded gun to those who hate me and arguably to those who had just medic to fill in for that. I'm quite sorry. That is not that was not my intention intention. So I that sorry did, you know That sorry.

post on my primary timeline to be absolutely clear that I'm not anti-semitic that and anti-semitic not I'm that clear absolutely be to and that I in fact if anything and file of Summer Enoch and the trip to Israel was planned before any of that happened. It was neither here nor there. Do you see this thing? You know what it is? I do because I actually followed your tire trip to Israel right when I tell everybody. This is the says.

It says bring them home. the hostages it was given to me by the parents of one of the hostages. and I said I would wear it just as long as there was a hostage store meeting and I have what was that trip like and obviously, you know that there's a public perception that and your clarifying this now. but But there is a public perception that that was but part of But a apology tour.

If you will that this had been said online there was all of the criticism there was advertisers leaving we talked to Bob I gotta stop you. Hope don't Hope gotta stop you. I Bob to talked we leaving was advertisers don't advertise. You don't want them to have a Time know. What do you mean? If somebody could try to Blackmail me with advertising blackmail me with money go f*** yourself. but go f*** yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is. Hey Bob.

You're in the audience. Well, let me ask you then. That's how I feel. but advertise, how do you But advertise, think that about the economics of x if part of the underlying model least today and maybe it needs to shift. Maybe the answer is it needs to shift away from advertising advertising? If you believe that this is the one part of your business where you will be beholding to those who have this view. What do you do? Why?

I understand that there's a reality to right. Yes, no. No, I mean Ocarina is right here, and Ocarina is right here she's got to sell advertising. Absolutely. So no no, don't tell you so well, no, actually what this advertising boycott is is going to do it's going to kill company. And you think that the and And and the whole world will know that those advertisers killed company and we will document it in great detail.

But there are those advertisers I imagine are going to say they're going to say we didn't kill the company. Oh, yeah, they can you say hello to tell to Earth, hello to tell to Earth but they're going to say that hello to tell to Earth, they're going to say you hello to tell to Earth Lon that you killed the company because you said these things and they were inappropriate things and they didn't feel comfortable on the platform, right?

platform, the comfortable on feel didn't they and things inappropriate That's that's what Amanda said. Let's see how Earth response to that. So many okay this then this goes back to what we'll both make our cases, right and we'll see what the outcome is. What are the economics of that for you? I mean you have enormous resources so you can actually keep this company going for very long time.

Would you keep it going for a long time if there was no advertising? I mean if the company fails because of an Advertiser boycott, it will fail because of times boycott and that will be what bankrupt the company and that's what everyone on Earth will know. What do you think then of the I can trust though?

They're not be gone and we'll be gone because of an Advertiser boycott, but you recognize that some of those people are going to say that they didn't feel comfortable on the platform and I want I just wonder and ask you about and think about that for a sec to adjudge with dollar to a judge it, but the judge is going to be judges the public. And you think that the public is going to say that that Disney is making a mistake.

Yeah, and they're going to boycott Disney yeah, and they're going Yeah, and they're going yeah, and they're going they already are well, there are some that are for lots of different reasons, but you think that this is going to that you have the this ghost actually the interesting of power of power and leverage let the chips fall where they may Let the chips fall where they may I just want y that is the approach.

I asked it because you've been with every approach. Well, you've been very particular about the approach to Tesla when you think about the engineering involved in that the approach to SpaceX the approach to some of the stuff you're doing with with AI has been very specific right? There's not a let the chips fall where they may approach to those businesses.

I don't think that we focus on making the best products and products best the focus on making we think that don't I and Tesla has gotten to where it's gotten. With no advertising at all.

I understand that Tesla currently sells to twice as much in terms of electric vehicles as rest of electric car makers and United States combined tell has done more to help the environment than all other companies combined refer to say that therefore as a leader of the company. I've done more for the environment than everyone else at any single human on earth. How do you feel about that? Now what are still about that? Yeah.

No, I'm asking you personally how you feel about that because this goes we're talking about power and influence and I'm saying I'm saying what I care about is the reality of goodness not the perception of it and what I see all of the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil f*** them. Okay.

Let me ask you this because I think part of let me ask this Let me ask by the way, there's some people who said look owning X to begin with as just created problems that you created so many amazing things that are changing our world and and I know you want to make X at this And world. fabulous Town Square Free Speech platform, but that unto itself that that has create such a distraction of all of these things.

This is the conversation we're having we're not focus. We're not talking lease yet and we will on Tesla you have your cyber truck deliveries. Tomorrow and everything else you're doing but is there any will be the biggest product launch of anything but by far on Earth this year is it is there any part of you though?

That just says you know what I just shouldn't have done this or maybe I should sell it or give it away or do something else with that with the X piece of it. Yeah, given given given the propensity for some of the things that you do and say on that platform to create these these issues. Yeah. I will the posts I've done on the platform. I think there might be. 30,000 or something like that right once in awhile. I'll say something foolish.

And I have and I would certainly it put and And that comment and that you said there's truth in among perhaps one of the most foolish if not the most foolish thing I've ever done on the platform and I did do my best to clarify afterwards that you know, I certainly don't mean anything anti-semitic in that the nature of the criticism was simply that the that simply was criticism of the nature the that in the Jewish people have been persecuted for thousands of years.

Ears. There is a natural Affinity therefore for persecuted groups. This has led to the funding of organizations. organizations that is essentially promote any persecuted group or any group with the perception of persecution. This includes radical Islamic groups. Everyone here has seen everyone the Everyone everyone massive demonstrations for Hamas in every major city in the West. That should be jarring.

Well a number of those organizations received funding from prominent people in the Jewish Community. They didn't expect that to happen it but if you generically But it. but it But it. without condition sort of fund if you find the persecuted groups in general Some of those persecuted groups unfortunately won't your annihilation.

and And and what is what I meant by that And when I subsequently clarify it is is that it's unwise to to to find to find organizations unwise to it's clarified is is that organizations that support groups that want your annihilation. Is this coming across McNeely? Yeah my question to you though. Logically. This is makes a lot of sense. Is there any part of you? Just tell me what happens though?

When once all this happens, let's say you find a group that group supports Moss. He wants you to die. Perhaps you should not fund them, right? But you but you do thank you but you But you but you you do appreciate that when you wade into these very delicate Waters When that. at these when that When that. very delicate times. Yes, Yes that it can create a real. I mean as it created headlines for the past two weeks and and economic impact.

What I'm just so curious what happens in your brain when you see all this happening, I think are you sitting there going? Oh my God, I stepped in it. I wish I didn't do that. Are you saying s*** through them? I hate these people why they after me but all of that. Yeah, all of that. I mean, look, I'm sorry for that that pre or post. It was foolish of me of the 30,000. It might be literally the worst and worst the literally be might It 30,000.

the me of foolish of was dumbest to post that I've ever done and I try to do my best to clarify six ways to Sunday, but But ways to Sunday. you know, at least but ways to Sunday, But ways to Sunday. I think over time it'll be obvious that in fact far from being anti-semitic. I'm in fact follow Semitic and my all the evidence in my track record would support that. Obviously.

There are people who say crazy things on on X, as you know, maybe think they're crazy people are not they're not the crazy, but they're think maybe know, you as X, the aspiration for X is to be the global town square. Now if you were to walk down to let's say x square, right? Do you occasionally hear people saying crazy things?

Yes, but they're not they don't have the megaphone right and that's that's the conundrum but they can only say it to 50 or 100 people that are that are sitting standing there in Times Square. They don't have a mega. I mean look the the joke I used to make about old Twitter was it was like giving everyone in the psych ward a megaphone. So, you know, you So, megaphone.

ward a the psych in everyone giving like I'm aware of that things can gets promoted that are - beyond Gets promoted the sort of Circle of somebody simply gets promoted screaming crazy things in Time Square which happens all the time, you know, so the it's actually it's pretty rare for something frankly that is hateful to be promoted. It's not it's not it's not that it never happened. But it's it's fairly rare.

I mean, I would encourage people to look at for those that use the system when you look at the the sort of the feed that you receive. How often is it? Is it hateful and over time has it gotten more or less hateful and I would say that if you look at at the look you if that say I would and hateful less or it gotten more the X5 forms a day versus a year ago. Go I think it is actually much better. I mean, what is your clothes?

Like are you surprised I'm just curious if you use this I use the platform religiously I so you admit to being an addict you and I use the for you and I will I will say now the problem is because I'm a journalist I go looking for stuff. Well, that's not a sentence saying because I and I also think the algorithm for me personally because I'm looking for stuff also is feeding the others things.

This is actually a challenge in that A a like sometimes people will say like why is it showing me, you know posts from this person that I hate and we're like well, did you interact a lot with this person that you hate? Well, yes. Well therefore thinks that you want to interact more with this person that you hate. That's like a reasonable. Let me ask, you know, if you kind of want to have an argument tweet. Yeah. Do you have a post?

Let's say post when you post it wasn't a moment. If anyone can I come up with a better word? better a come up with I can anyone If moment. post it wasn't a word? That would be great when you post though, but this bad word I can think of is post. So when you post though, do you are you trying to rile up either a base or an audience? Do you recognize the power you have in that?

And and also by the way not just rile up rile up one version of sorry, but also write down which is to say as I said, there are people who are demonstrable anti-semitic on the site who I get jewboy things. All sorts of things that come through on my way. Hey for a while. I thought I was through so they would you know get it to it. But no, but the question is condemned as Supergirl you ever think to yourself.

You know what I'm gonna go online and I'm going to say these people I condemn these people that are on my site saying these things because I have said I have you see I've condemned an assembly but do you ever go I said I could can literally I literally posted I condemn anti-Semitism in all its forms like that is a literal we've literal post that post we've literal literal a like that is forms all its in that I made.

I mean, I'm like listen if I can get out thesaurus if you you know, and we could you know, I let me ask you a different question you you you compose it. I'll post it. Okay. Let me ask you this. You You you you you you you You you you your honor you're on a podcast about a month ago. And you said something that struck me and it struck me is accurate came out of your mouth.

So hopefully it is but it I'm hoping to go deep on this stuff because it came out of my mouth does not mean it's true. You said my mother who said my mind is a storm. I don't think most people would want to be me. They may think they want to be me, but they don't know they don't understand. What did you mean by that? What was that what your mind being a storm and I think it I mean I have known you for quite some time.

I think it is a bit of a storm. Yes. Yeah, I mean I Yeah. Yeah, know as much as a where the metaphor make sense, my mind is often feels like a like a like a very Wild Storm. I mean, I have a fountain of ideas. I mean I have my ideas and I could possibly execute so I have no shortage of ideas Innovation is not the problem. The problem execution is the problem. I've got a million ideas.

I mean, I've got an entire entire design an got mean, I've I got a million ideas. I've design for an electric supersonic vertical. Off jet but I mean I just if I just can't do that as well. I've had it for 10 years. And there's a million things your storm a Happy Storm. Yeah, it's not a Happy Storm. Yeah.

tell us about that Tell us because I think that that tell us actually Tell us when people try to really understand you, I think that there's a lot there's a that think I you. understand really to people try it when of this comes from some other place and I want to talk about that. What do you think that is? It was really like a psychiatrist catch her or something.

You know, I think to some degree I was born this way, but and then it was Amplified by a difficult childhood rightly.

So but I can remember even in the happy moments when I was a kid that there's kid that was a I happy moments when there's just it just feels like this just a rage of horses Rage in my mind constantly now this, you know productively manifests itself in technology and Building Things for the most part, so And I think on balance the output has been very productive.

I think the results at as we you know, discussed earlier with SpaceX Tesla PayPal, which is you know, still going today the first year and a company that I started in fact the first In started.

year in a company I started of to was funded by New York Times company Hearst knight-ridder and remember We wrote some of the software for we the New York Times website We we and we help bring online several hundred newspapers that previously were only in front. Now.

This is in the 90s, which at this point is like I'm like good grandpa black, but basically, you know the nineties and internet feels like a Precambrian era when there were only the sponges so Anyway, so, anyway, so, Anyway, so, you know, anyway, so, I feel like that a lot of productive things have been done and you can also look at Tesla as being through as Tesla at look can also you and been done have productive things many companies and wine like are super charging network is if it were if this it tells a supercharger Network where its own company, it would be a Fortune 500 company by itself.

It's just just the super charging system. We also make the cells we build the electronics in the power train from scratch. We have the most Innovative structural design. The larger castings ever used. We have the best manufacturing technology have the best manufacturing We used. ever castings larger technology at Tesla better manufacturing technology than companies that have been doing it. For 100 years.

So so these these Demons of the mind, you know, I for the most part harnessed to productive ends, it's Luna a script that does it mean that once in a while while.

They they while you know, go wrong wrong, wrong wrong, but but and this is a question, I think a lot of lot of people, think a question, I a is this and wrong know, go people, you know are always trying to figure out about not just you but sometimes Meaning what is driving all this you're doing all of these things. Do you think it's do you think that you would be as successful?

Whatever success is if it wasn't being If if driven by some I think that there's something you're trying to prove either yourself or to somebody. I don't know. We're all trying to prove that the person who is my mother. I don't know. No, if I were to sit describe My Philosophy it is a philosophy of curiosity. I did have this existential crisis when I was around 12 about what's the meaning of life, isn't it all pointless?

Why not just commit suicide why exist? I read the religious texts. I read the philosophy books that are especially the German philosophy books made me quite depressed frankly when frankly depressed quite me made books philosophy German the when you're not read schopenhauer and each has a teenager. But then I read but But but Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy which is a book on philosophy in the form of humor.

And the point that Adams was making there was that we don't actually know what questions to ask. That's why I said that, you know, the answer is that 42. that, that Basically it's a giant computer and and it came up with the answer 42, but then to actually figure out what the out what figure actually then to but 42, answer with the up the question is.

That's Actual hard part I think this is generally true also in physics at the point of which you can properly frame. The question. The answer is is actually the easy part. So so so mi order vation then was that well. My life is finite really a flash in the pan and on a galactic time scale, but if we can expand the scope and scale of consciousness. Then we are better able to figure out what questions to ask about the answer. That is the universe.

And we're maybe we can find out the meaning of life or even what question to what the right question to ask is. You know, where do we come from? Where are we going? Where are the aliens are there aliens? At you know, these these questions. You you You know is their new physics to you discover or is this because there's addition to be some real questions about dark matter and dark energy energy.

And so the purpose of SpaceX is to extend life beyond Earth on a sustained basis so that we can at least pass one of the Fermi great filters, which is that of being a single planet civilization if we are single planet civilization then Then we are simply waiting around for some then Extinction event whether that is man-made or natural. natural, natural.

But if you're a single planet civilization, eventually you will something will happen to that planet and you will die. If you were a multi-planet civilization, you will live much longer. Also multi plant civilization is that's the natural stepping stone to being a multi Stella civilization and being out there Among the Stars so, you know this I think has To that.

This is not simply a defensive motivation, but it is also one where that you know that gives meaning Man's Search for meaning triple ask you if there's this philosophy Point even though it may seems rather esoteric that may resonate with a few people. We must get past this Fermi filter of Venus a great future of being a single planet civilization.

And if we do that will more likely to understand the nature of the universe and what questions to ask if you're a believer in the philosophy of curiosity then Philosophy of then philosophy of I think you should support this Philosophy of ambition and but it's more that there's being a multi-planet species is more than than simply. You know life insurance life insurance for Life collectively.

That's a defensive reason, but but I think also that that life has to be more than simply solving one side problem after another, you know, they're happy that be reasons many where you wake up in the morning and you're happy to be alive. They have to be reasons that you you have to say. Why are you excited about the future like what gives you hope? And and if you if you are unsure ask your kids.

And and I think the idea of us being a spacefaring civilization and being out there Among the Stars. Is incredibly inspiring and exciting and something to look forward to. And they need to be such things in the world. May I ask you a different question about confidence?

We were having a conversation here earlier, but people and where your where people get their Confidence from some people have written security other people have insecurity great great confidence and I was thinking about you because you have a very interesting history where people have told you over and over again that you're wrong. Well, sometimes they're right.

Well, sometimes they are but I would say that when it comes to Tesla when it came to SpaceX people told you that you were crazy. You're out of your mind. This was never going to happen. Yeah, it's going to work. And so yes, we ask you this though and so we're going to work is now when people say you're wrong. This isn't right.

Do you look at that and say you know what that's like a red flag for me because you know, I've been told so often that I'm wrong that I know that I and I know I'm right because I've had that experience or other people in your life when they say, you know, what Ilan this is not this is not right. Do you know what I'm saying?

I mean, I think we're just trying to say is that do at this point think because what you're trying to say is I've been right so many times for others have said I'm wrong that now I passed believe I'm right when I fact I'm wrong. You did very well. What do you think know? I'm right. know? I'm right know? I'm right. So yeah, no, look. Here's the thing No, I'm right. think? physics is unforgiving for.

Yeah, look here's the thing physics is unforgiving physics is unforgiving. So. I mean I have you know, these very simple things I've come up with that physics is the law and everything else was a recommendation right in the sense that you can break any law made by humans, but try breaking a law made by physics as much more difficult. So if you are wrong and persistent being wrong, the Rockets will blow up and the cars will fail.

So this is we're not trying to figure out what flavor of ice cream is the best flavor Figure out figure out of ice cream the like if there's a thousand things that can happen on a rocket flight and only one of them gets the rocket orbit. and And so being wrong and And results in Failure when dealing with physical objects, but that's the interesting part.

So now you've built this these great companies that physically the physics of them are enormously successful. So successful arguably that you have leverage over everybody else, right? There's nobody else can do starlink. Nobody else can get I nobody else can get the rockets in space yet Amazon and Jeff Bezos are trying but they haven't yet. I hope he does you hope he does.

Yeah, and I think you know, but I actually agree with with love Jeff's motivations. I mean, I think you know he's so I'm living for their but this way if there was a button I could press that would delete blue origin. I wouldn't press it. So I think it's good that he's spending money on on making Rockets to you know, it's just Pepsi spend more time. it but you know, it's up It to him the to make a point here.

So nothing nothing any of my companies have done has been to stifle competition. In fact, we've done the opposite. So at Tesla we have open sourced our patents anyone can use anyone patents our sourced open have we Tesla at So opposite. the done our patents for free how many companies do not have done that? Can you name one? I can't at SpaceX. We don't use patterns.

So I mean said once in a while will file a patent just so some patent troll doesn't cause trouble but we're not stopping any that we've done we've done nothing anti-competitive. We've done nothing to stop a not just you at all. I just want to clarify for the audience because some companies have done done anti-competitive things. I think think the I things. anti-competitive done have companies the strange thing about the unusual.

Thing about space X and Tesla is that we've done things that have helped a competition. So at Tesla we have made our supercharger system Open Access. We made our we Access, We Access. charger technology we Access, available for free to the other manufacturers. The reason I know Walled Garden we could have put a wall up the road instead.

We invited them in the reason I mention this though is because you've had the success had you've because though is this mention I reason the the success in the physical physics world, you know.

Now have now have these very difficult Now have decisions now have that have huge impacts on the world that are not physical decisions at all their decisions of the Mind the decisions that you and others have to make it as a question whether you should be making these decisions at all and I think about in the context of starlink.

Obviously there was the report about how it's being used in Ukraine and the rough War there's questions about what you know, Taiwan whether Taiwan should use it or we'll use it. I believe they're not right now because they're worried that at At at some point maybe the Chinese At will tell you that you have to they have leverage over you and you're going to have to turn that off right then. These are these are very difficult decisions.

And I'm so curious how you think how you curious so I'm and decisions, difficult very are these about that and not just the decisions the fact that you have that power. I think it's important for the audience to understand. The reason I have these Powers not because of some anti-competitive actions it simply because we've executed very well.

Oh, I'm not dismissing that I think there's so many people by the way who are huge supporters of what you there are already dead lights out there, you know, but they're and but they're not as good as yours and the same and we can say that maybe make the same argument of cars and everything else. But as a result that gives that result a as But else.

everything and cars of argument same gives you enormous Leverage Right, okay with the exception of the by the way, these advertisers weren't on X in every other instance. Everybody needs you. Well, I mean nobody's letting them use our product if it's better than you somebody else's product. If it's there are other products better and I accept that and maybe one day so I can also create a better product.

Like, you know, like, product Like, product. how like, product is it about thing to make better products with other companies? Well, and I wanted to go back to this to the Starling piece of it though because it that has sort of a geo geo political ramification in terms of your power and how you think about that specific power and then the power that the u. s.

Government might have either over you or Not Over Not or you over either have might Government u. s. the that power Over You the The power of the Chinese government might have over you or not over you and how those things get used. We're in what are you suggesting? I'm asking the question around this this very idea of how these satellites are going to be used.

Whether you think that you should have control of control have should you think that you Whether used. be to of them whether the government should have control of them was the government. Well, that's a there's a lot of people who don't trust the government exactly. But then this goes back to the trust of you. Right? I mean like said that we're not the only company who has communication satellites.

There are considered lights are just much better than theirs. So it's not like we have added Monopoly. Do you feel do you feel like anybody has attacked? has you feel like anybody do you feel do Monopoly haven't attacked? It's not like you feel anybody has leverage over you.

I mean, I think at the end of the day if we make bad products that people don't want to use then the vote will users to use then the don't want people that if we make bad products users will vote with their resources and you something else. It hit the conversation for a sec.

I mean certainly me and my company is overseen by regulators and and while you know, once it once know, you while and by regulators and my company is overseen it since SpaceX darling Tesla. Are overseen by are Are cumulatively are over 100 Regulators in actually more than that few hundred Regulators because you got we're in 55 countries if you sum up all the times that I If countries.

had an argument with Regulators of hundreds of regulators over decades, it can sound really terrible except but they forgot to mention that there were 10 million. Galatians we complied with and only five that I disagree with that little fight the five and it sounds like wow this guy's a real Maverick.

I'm like, yeah, but what about the 10 million we complied with do you limit one related thing on this and The Leverage of countries and things over you and Regulators X is this free speech platform, you platform do platform, business platform in China lots of business China. That's an important part of your business. I imagine well not SpaceX.

How do you think about how do you the How do you leverage that the Chinese have over you and do they have leverage over you and how do you feel about some people would say is it hypocritical for you to be doing business in China or frankly in other countries as well as it relates to X and other things that don't follow this free this follow don't that things and other X Where as it relates to free speech path that you have espoused.

The best that their platform can do is adhere to the laws of Any Given country. Do you think there's something more we could do than that I think would be very hard. But I just wonder given the sort of strong philosophical approach that you've you've been vocal about whether you say to yourself, you know, maybe I shouldn't be doing business in that country. Well, first of all Starling and SpaceX to are no business in China whatsoever.

Tesla has one of four factories for vehicle factories in China and China's, you know, I don't know a quarter of our Market or something like that. And so it's a quarter of Market of one company. The same is true by the way of all the other car companies. They also have something on that order of that order on something have also companies. They car the other of quarter of their sales in China.

So if you if that's a problem for Tesla to pump every car company. I mean, I think one has to be careful about not conflating the various companies because I can only do things that are within the bounds of the law. I cannot do beyond that. My aspiration is to do as much good as possible and to be as productive as possible within the bounds of what is legal. More than that I cannot do I want to Pivot in talk about AI for a moment.

We had Jensen Wong here who's big fan of yours is you know, yeah Johnson's also talk about talking about bringing you the first box by the way with Ilya interestingly enough. Yes back in 2016. I think there's a video of Jensen and be unpacking the first AI computer at open a. i. So I'm so curious what you think of what's just happened over the past two weeks while you were dealing with this other headline series of headlines.

I was a whole other whole headlines. I was a of series headline other this with series of have evolved in a isopropanol AI. What did you think? Well, you found it co-founded. Oh found it.

Yeah, I'm well the whole Well well Arc Well of open and I frankly is a little troubling because the the reason for starting opening I was to create a counter counterweight to Google Google and deepmind which at the time had two thirds of all AI talent and basically infinite money and compute and there was no there's no counter weight.

It was unipolar world and Larry Page and I used to be very close friends and I would stay at his house and I and house his stay at I would and friends close be very to and I talk to Larry. Too late hours of the night about AI safety too late Too late too late and it became apparent to me that Larry what did not care about AI safety.

I think perhaps the thing that gave it away was when he called me a speciesist for being pro Humanity as in you know, like erasers but for species so I'm like, wait a second. What side are you on Larry? And I'm like, okay. Listen this guy calling me as fishiest. It doesn't care about AI safety. We've got to have some counter point here because the seems like we could be this isn't just this is no good. So, okay.

I was actually started at it was meant to be open source. I named it over and II after open source. It is in fact closed-source super in fact closed-source is It source. open my eye after over super close. You should be named renamed super close source for maximum profit. May I so because this is what it actually is. I mean fate loves irony.

I mean, in fact friend of mine has this says like the way to predict outcomes is the most ironic outcome is to vote. It's like is Occam's razor like the simplest sort of explanation is most likely and my friend join us viewers that the most ironic outcome is the most likely and that's what's happened with open a. i. It's gone from an open source.

Foundation a 501 C3 to Suddenly It's like a 90 billion dollar for profit Corporation with clothes horse. So I don't know how you go from here to there. But that seems like a I don't know how you get. I don't know if this is legal. It's like that's so as you saw Sam Altman get ousted Yeah by somebody, you know Elia and helium was somebody who was a friend of yours. Yes, you brought him there your relationship with Larry Page effectively.

Down over you recruiting him away. I think that's correct. That was the fact that was the Larry refuse to be friends with me after I recruited illya and so here's Elia apparently saying something is very wrong. I think we should be concerned about this because I think Elly actually has a strong moral compass.

He thinks about you know, he really sweats it over questions of what is right and if he felt strongly enough to Want to you know fire Sam Sam. Well, I think the world should know what was that reason. Have you talked to him? I reached out but he doesn't want to talk to anyone. Have you talked to other people behind the scenes is this is all happening. I've talked to a lot of people as nobody I've not found anyone.

Who knows why have you I think we are all still trying to find out I mean one of two things is either it was a serious thing and we should know what it is or it was not a serious thing and and then the board should resign. What do you think of Sam Altman? I have mixed feelings about Sam. I do. You know the ring of power. You know can corrupt. and here's the ring of power so You know, I don't know.

I think I want to know why Ilya felt so strongly as fire Sam the sounds like a serious thing. I don't think it was trivial. and And I'm and quite concerned that this that this um, you know you dangerous element of AI that they've they've discovered? Yes, you think they've discovered something? That would be my guess. Where are you with your own AI efforts relative to where you think open AI is where you think Google is.

where the others are I mean on the AI front of in somewhat of a quandary here because I've thought I could be something that would change the world in a significant way since I was in college. I mean like 30 years ago. Well, the reason I didn't go college, bull day. I write for the get-go was because I was uncertain about which which edge of the double-edged sword which would be sharper the good edge of the vat Edge.

So I held off on doing anything on a I could have created. I think leading a company and kind of opening I actually kind of is that because I was just uncertain if you make this magic Genie what will happen? you know, where as I think Building sustainable energy technology is much more of a single-edged sword. That is that single-edged sword single edge. Good making life multiplanetary. I think single-edged good.

You're stalling mostly single-edged good. I mean giving people better connectivity to people that you know, don't don't you know have connectivity or too expensive I think is very, you know, very much a good thing. So only was instrumental by the way and the whole thing the Russian Advance the Ukrainian said so so, you know, I think there's think know, I so, you so said Ukrainian the Advance Russian the if it was AI, you've got the magic Genie.

Problem. You may think you want a magic Genie. But once you've got Genies out of the bottle, it's hard to say what happens how far are we away from that Jeanne be kind of bodily think we think it's already out. When the genie is certainly poking his head out.

the AGI The the idea of the artificial general intelligence The given what you now are working on yourself and you know how easy or hard it is to train to create the inferences to create the wait. I hope I'm not getting too far in the weeds of just how this works. But those are the basics behind the software end of this. It's funny, you know all these weights.

They're just basically numbers in a are just weights It's funny, you know, all comma separated value file. That's our digital God the CSV file. on that are funny, On that are on that are On that are but that's the kind of literally what it is. So I think it's coming pretty fast, you know is that I mean, you've famously have admitted to overstating how quickly things will happen. But how quickly do you think this will happen?

You say smarter than the smartest human at anything. Yep. It may not be then quite smarter than all humans will machine augmented humans, you know, because we keep y'all got computers and stuff as a higher bar. But you say smaller than any, you know, can write as good a novel is say JK Rowling or discover new physics or invent new technology. I would say that we are less than three years from that point.

Let me ask you a question about xai and at what you're doing and because there's an interesting thing that's different. I think about what you have relatives of some of the others which you have data you have information you have all of the stuff that everybody in here has put on the platform to sort through and through sort to platform the on put has here in everybody I don't Everybody realized that initially. What is the value of that?

Yeah, I'm data is very important. You could say that is probably more valuable than gold. But then maybe you have actually maybe you have more you maybe you have the gold in X in a different way in a way again that I don't know if the public appreciates what that means. Yes, X is the might be the single best source of data. I mean it is there more. You know people links that go to fill click on more links 2x than anything else on Earth.

Sometimes people think Facebook or Instagram is a bigger thing, but actually there are more links to external anything you can this is public information you can Google it. Okay. Let me ask you a so it is it is a where you would find what is happening right now on Earth at any given point in time the whole open a drama played out out. out in fact In out. on the export form. So it is one is it form. So expert the on fact out.

played drama open a of the it's not there. Are you know Google certainly has a massive amount of data so does Microsoft? So it's not like B is one of the best sources of data. Can I ask you an interesting IP issue, which I think is actually something I can say as somebody who's in the Creator business and journalistic business and whatnot were care about copyright.

So one of the things about training on data has been this idea that you're not going to train or these things are not being trained on people's copyrighted information historically, that's been the concept. Yeah. That's a huge lie. Say that again. That's what these are. These are all trained on copyrighted it obviously so you think it's a lie when open a. i. Says that this is not none of these guys say they're training on copyrighted day though.

That's a lie. It's a lie a lie. It's a though. That's day copyrighted on guys had their training straight up straight up lie. Okay our said soon obviously it's been trained on perforated data. Okay.

So let me ask the second question which is all of the people who have been uploading and it's like whatever minute all of the people have been uploading articles the best quotes from different articles videos to X all of that can be trained on and it's interesting because people put all of that there and there of that all put people because interesting it's and and those quotes have historically been considered fair use Right, they do people are putting those quotes up the and individually on a fair use spaces you'd say OK that makes sense.

But now there are people who do threads and by the way, there may be multiple people who've done, you know at article could has a thousand words technically all thousand words could have made it onto X somehow and effectively now you have this remarkable repository and I wonder what you how you think about that again and how you think the creative community and those who were the original original Ip.

the were who those and community creative the A owners should think about that. I don't know except to say that the by the time these lawsuits are decided we'll have digital God. So that's that's digital. that's digital that's digital. God at that point. that's digital These lawsuits won't be decided before on a time frame that is relevant. Is frame that is relevant. a time on before decided be won't Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I think we live you know, there's that I don't know if it's actually a real Chinese thing or not, but may you live in interesting times? But apparently not but times, a But times? good thing, but times, but good thing good thing, good thing and I would prefer to personally I would prefer to live in interesting times and and we live in the most interesting of times. I think for a while there.

I was like really getting demotivated and losing sleep over. the sort of the threat of AI danger and then I finally sort of became fatalistic about it and said well Even if I knew it was Annihilation was certain. What I choose to be alive what What at that time or not, what and I said I probably would have choose to be alive at that time because it's the most interesting thing. Even if there was nothing I could do about it.

So then, you know, then basically sort of a fatalistic resignation help me sleep at night because I was having trouble sleeping at night because of AI danger now what to do about it. I mean, I've been the biggest or the one banging the drum for the the hardest by far the longest Or this one of the longest for a high danger and or and these regulatory things that are happening are happening.

are happening the single biggest reason that happening is because of me we are ever going to get their arms around it. We talked to the vice president this afternoon. She said she wants to regulate it people can try to regulate social media for years and have done nothing effectively. Well, there's regulation around anything which is a like a physical danger to a danger to the public. So like cars like So to the public.

a danger to danger physical a like is a are heavily regulated. And Communications and I have And early regulated rockets and and aircraft are heavily regulated the general philosophy about regulation is that when something is a danger to the public that there needs to be some Governor oversight? So I think in my view AI is more dangerous than nuclear bombs, which we regulate nuclear bombs. You can't just go make a nuclear bomb in your backyard.

I think we should have some kind of Regulation with a I now this tense cause the AI acceleration is to get up in arms because they think I is sort of having basically, but you're typically don't like don't typically but you're basically, having of is sort think I regulation.

You've pushed back on Regulators for the most part in the of Of Tesla of and with so many so many instances where we read articles about you pushing back pushing you about articles read we where instances many so on The Regulators. I'm so curious. Why in this instance now you own one of these businesses. As I said a moment ago as As as one should not take what is viewed in the media as being the whole picture.

There are literally hundreds like this is probably not an exaggeration. So they're probably 100 million regulations that that might companies comply with and they're probably five that we don't and if they're if we And disagree with and some of those regulations, it's because we think the regulation that is meant to do good doesn't actually do good. But that is not the thing to Flying regulations for the question if there are laws and rules.

Whether the ideas that you're making the decision that the law and the whether the Whether the rule shouldn't be the law on the rule and then right isn't that I'm saying follow my name is taken and and you should be obvious that you're mistaken. My company's Automotive is heavily regulated. We would not be allowed to put cars on the road. If we did not comply with this vast body of Regulation.

Now you could you could fill up the stage with literally, you know, six foot high with the regulations that you have to comply with. To make a car and make you could have a room full of phone books. That's how many that's how big the regulations are and if you don't comply with all of those you can't sell the car and if we don't comply with all the regulations for Rockets or for Starling they shot us down.

So in fact, I am incredibly compliant with regulations now once in a while, they'll be something that I disagree with the reason I would disagree with that. It's because I think the regulation in that particular case in that rare. Our case our case does not Our case serve the public good our case and therefore I think it is my obligation to object to a regulation that is meant to serve the public good.

If it doesn't that's the only time I object not because I seek to object. In fact, I'm incredibly rule-following. Let me ask you a separate question is social media related question. We've been talking about Tick-Tock today ahead of the election sir. Soccer's what do you think of tick-tock? Do you think it's a national security threat I don't use like talk it again. You don't I don't personally use it.

but for people that for teenagers and people in their 20s, they seem almost And and religiously And addicted to technology. So we will watch Tech talk for like 2 hours a day. I stopped using Tick-Tock when I felt the AI probing my mind and I don't make me uncomfortable. So I stopped using it. And in terms of anti-Semitic content, I mean Tick Tock is Rife with that.

It has the most viral anti-semitic content anti-semitic most viral has the It with that. Tick-Tock is Rife anti-semitic content by far, but you think the Chinese government is using it to manipulate. The minds of Americans though. Is that something that you think we should worry about? I mean you have a different states that are trying to ban it.

I don't think this is a sometimes going plot, but it is The Tick Tock algorithm is entirely a high-powered. So it is really just try to find the most viral thing possible that it's what is going to keep you glued to the screen. That's screen. the to glued you to keep is going what it's that it now the On sheer numbers.

There are on the order of 2 billion Muslims in the world and I think You know you know You know much you know smaller number of Jewish people for 20 million something many orders of magnitude fewer. So if you just look at at content production just unsure numbers basis is going to be overwhelmingly at Semitic. Let me ask you about another the mess your political question and I've been trying to square this one in my head for a long time.

Yeah in the last two or three years you have moved decidedly to the right I think have I well we can discuss this. I think that you have been espousing and promoting a number of Republican candidates and others you've been very frustrated with the body Administration over I think unions and feeling like they did not respect what you've created.

Well, I mean with without any during nothing to provoke the veteran administration, they held an electric vehicle Summit at the White House and specifically refused to let Tesla and this isn't the first And this six months of the and this administration And this and we inquiry like we literally make more electric cars that everyone else combined. Why are we not allowed?

Why are you only letting your 84 GM Chrysler and UAW and you're specifically disallowing us from the EV Summit at the White House. We're done nothing to provoke them then Biden went on to add insult to injury and publicly said that GM was leading the electric car Evolution. This was in the same quarter that Tesla made 300,000 electric cars and GMA 26 Does that seem fair to you? So wierd Kappa tell me this then it doesn't seem fair.

And and I've asked repeatedly you've probably seen me but we had a great relationship with Obama. So there's not a stupid amount, but then there's other for a long. I stood certain hours for sick. I stood in line for six hours to Shag Obama's head. Okay, so we just okay. So let me just ask on a personal level. me just ask on a personal so we just okay. So let Okay, head. I can see it in your face this this hurt you personally.

And I hope the company and to And and it was an insult to you know, did Tesla has 140,000 employees? Okay of the employees. it Tesla half of them are in the United States tells us created more manufacturing jobs in everyone else combined. So we asked this then you've devoted at least the last close to 20 years your life. If not more to the climate climate change trying to get Tesla off the ground in part to improve climate.

You talked about that a real right-wing motive repeatedly got a far-right if anything, I understand that and then it's so it's a good guys reverse psychology Next Level. Well, no, but so here's in the question, which is how do you square the support that you have given, Support I believe you were at a fundraiser for the Vogue ramaswamy. For example, who says that the climate climate issue is a hoax, right? I disagree with him on that.

I but I would think that that would be such a singular issue for you. I would think that that the climate issue be such a singular issue for you that actually it would disqualify almost anybody who didn't take that issue seriously. Well, I haven't endorsed anyone for president.

I mean I wanted to hear what they had to say because I think some of his things are there some things he says I think are pretty solid, you know is concerned about government overreach but about gun control of information. I mean the degree to which old Twitter was basically a sock puppet of the government was ridiculous. So, you know, it seems to me that me that the seems to it know, you So, ridiculous.

was the there's a very severe violation of the amendment in terms of how much the government control how much control the government had overall Twitter and it no longer is so, you know, there's a reason for the First Amendment.

The reason for the First Amendment for freedom of speech is because the people that immigrated to this country came from a place is where there was not reading of speech and and they were like, you know what we got to make sure that that's constitutional because where they came from if they said something that we put Resume whether it be, you know, something bad would happen to him. So and freedom of speech you have to say, when is it relevant?

It's only relevant when when someone you don't like can say something you don't like or it has it or like don't you something say can like don't you has no meaning and as soon as you sort of You know throw in the towel and can see to censorship. It is only a matter of time before someone sensors you and that is why we have the First Amendment.

Could you see yourself voting for President Biden if it's if they Biden Trump election, for example I think I would not vote for vitamin. You vote for Trump. Let s vote for Trump, but I mean This is this is definitely a difficult Choice here. You know, we would you or would you vote for Nikki Haley Nikki Haley, by the way, once Haley all social media names to be exposed as you know, no, I think that's outrageous. Yeah. No.

No, I'm not going to vote for some pros and censorship. Canada that. like Canada and censorship pros some vote for to going I'm not like that. I mean, I think these you have to you have to consider that there is a lot of wisdom in these amendments, Consider you know, I mean the Constitution and and you know, a lot of these a lot of things that we take for granted here in the United States that don't even exist in Canada.

There's not enough constitutional right to freedom of speech and Canada. So, you know, so and there's no Miranda rights in Canada people like think like, you know, you have the right to remain silent. You don't actually in Canada. So so you don't have Canadian I So can save you some coffee, but you know, so like you just got you the say these things about freedom of speech is incredibly important.

Even when people said and I like that because it's a it's actually especially important. In fact, it is only relevant when people you don't like can say things you don't like and do you think right now as they're meaningless you think right now the Republican candidates for the Democrats are more inclined.

I mean, this is where you go to I assume to to woke an anti woke an anti woke assume 22 woke and the mind Virus issue that you've talked about. Which party do you think is is more Pro freedom of speech given all the things you've seen is. We also see, you know, DeSantis, you know, preventing people from Reading certain things. Maybe you but maybe you think that's that's that's correct.

No, look we actually are in an odd situation here where on balance the Democrats appear to be more Pro Spencer censorship than the Republicans. That used to be the opposite it used to be, you know, that left position was freedom of speech.

You know, I believe at one point the ACL u-- even defended the right of someone to claim that they were not see or something like that, you know, so like they weren't there really were like the left was three of us peaches is fundamental and I mean my deception Perhaps it is inaccurate is that The pro censorship is more on the left than the right.

We certainly get more complaints from the left and the right because that way so but my aspiration for the X platform is that it is the best source of Truth or the least in accurate source of Truth. Truth and well, And Truth. you know, I don't know you won't believe me or not, but I think but I not, me or believe you won't know don't I know, well, you Honesty is the best policy and I think that the truth will win.

In overtime and the in overtime you know, we've In overtime got this this great system and it's getting better called Community notes, which is fantastic. I think it correcting falsehoods or adding context. In fact, we make a point of not removing anything but only adding context now that context could could include this is completely false and here's why and and and no one is immune to this.

I'm not immune to it advertisers it to immune not I'm this. to is immune one no advertisers not immune to it. In fact, we've had community. Notes, which is caused us some loss in advertising speaking of lost some advertising Revenue. We're for Community note, if an app if this false advertising the community note will say this is false and here is why let me like there's one specific example that is public knowledge.

So I'll mention it which is one point Uber had it, it this ad which said earn like a boss and it was Community noted if by boss if by noted Community was it and boss said earn like a which ad boss you mean And 47 cents an hour this distant cause at least a temporary suspension of advertising from Aruba.

I got to ask you a question that might make everybody in the room comfortable or not uncomfortable and it goes to the Free Speech issue the New York Times company and the New York Times newspaper it appeared over the summer to be throttled. What did the New York Times? Well, we're do require that that everyone has to buy a subscription that we don't.

Make make exceptions for Make make anyone and and I think if I want the New York Times I have to pay for a subscription and they don't give me a free subscription. So I'm not going to give them a free subscription.

But were you what were you throttling the New York Times relative to other news organizations relative to everybody else was it was it was it specific to the to the times that it applies of Griffin by the only cost like a thousand dollars a month. So if they just do that then then they the back in back in the saddle, but but but you are saying that it was throttled now I'm saying I mean was there a conversation that you had?

Is somebody you said look, is somebody you Is somebody you you know, I'm unhappy with the is somebody you times they should either be buying the subscription where I don't like their content or whatever any organization that refuses to buy a subscription is is not going to be recommended. But then what does that say about free? Speech and what does it say about the amplifying we search for it cost a little bit right but That's it.

But that's an interesting. Yeah, it's like an South Park might I say, you know Freedom isn't free of cost a buck 05 or whatever. So but it's pretty cheap. Okay, it's So, low cost So So, low cost freedom. I got a couple more questions for you. You're headed back to Texas after this. We're going to launch the stopper truck. Yeah.

It's going to be a big launch, but I wanted to ask you right now more broadly just about the car business The the The and what you see actually happening and specifically the government put in place lots of policies as you know to try to encourage more Evie's and one of the things that's happened uniquely is you have now a lot of car companies saying actually this is too ambitious for us. These plans are too ambitious for thousand dealers.

I don't if you saw just yesterday sent a letter to the White House saying this has gone too far. You're going too far you had far you too going gone too far. You're has this saying had this on TV.

It was a it was this It was is going too fast it was too far and that there's not enough demand are underneath all this is his idea that maybe there's not enough demand for Evie's that the American public has not bought into the I mean they bought into with with your company, but they haven't bought into it broadly enough. Well, I think if you make a compelling electric car, if you will buy it no question about it.

I mean electric car sales in China are gigantic. gigantic that's by far the biggest category biggest that's by far the gigantic are China sales in car and I think that would be the case. No, I mean it's worth noting. Okay. So the probably the best reputation of that is that the so Okay, Tesla Model y will be the best selling car of any kind on Earth this year.

Of any kind gasoline or gasoline of otherwise, is there another car company that you think is doing a good job with these? I mean, I think the Chinese called companies are extremely competitive by far our toughest competitions in China. So, I mean there's there's a lot of people who are out there think that the top ten car company is going to be Tesla followed by nine Chinese companies. I think they might not be wrong. So China is So wrong.

be not might they I think companies. car Chinese nine super good at manufacturing and the work ethic is incredible. So you know, like You if we consider different leagues of you competitiveness at Tesla, we consider the Chinese League to be the most competitive.

And by the way, we do very well in China because are trying to China team is the best China how worried are you that the union has unionization effort that just took place at what I should say effort. But but effort, the the new the new wages in the like at GM and Ford are that they're coming for you. They are coming for you. What is that going to mean to you and your business?

Well, I mean, I think it's generally not good to have an adversarial relationship between people online, you know one group at the company and another group. In fact, I mean I disagree with the idea of unions, but the professor mean, I reason that is different than you may expect is which I just don't like anything which creates kind of Lords and peasants sort of thing. And I think the Union's naturally try to create.

Negativity in a company negativity Negativity and and create a sort of Lords and peasants situation. There are many people at Tesla who have come and gone from working on the line to being in Senior Management. There is no laws and peasants. Everyone eats the same table or approximate a parking lot, you know GM there's a special elevator for only for senior Executives. We have no such thing at Tesla, you know, at Tesla, thing such no Executives.

We have senior for only the things that I actually know the people on the line because I worked on the line and I walked the line and I slept in the factory and I worked beside them. So I'm no stranger to them and they're actually many times. I've said well can't we just hold a union vote but apparently a company is not allowed to hold a union vote. So it has to be somehow cool for but the union can't do it.

So I said we'll just have to hold a vote and see what happens the actual problem. It is the is as the opposite. It's not that people trapped are people that not opposite. It's the as the is is problem are trapped at Tesla building cars the trip. The challenges is how do we retain? Great people to do the hard work of building cars when they have like six other opportunities that they can do that are easier.

That's the actual difficulty is that bullying cars is hard work and and there are much easier jobs and I just want to say that I'm incredibly appreciative of those who have cars and they know it, you know, so there's There's there's There's I don't know. Maybe there will be your be nice.

If I said like if Tesla gets your nights will be because we deserve it and we fell in some way, but we certainly try hard to way ensure the prosperity of everyone. We give everyone stock options. made We've options. stock everyone give We everyone. of prosperity We've made many people who are just working the line. Who didn't even know what stocks were we made the millionaires. So we're going to run on time final couple quick questions.

When do you have the time? To tweet or the post. I actually think about all the time as I said, I used it bathroom. Sometimes I use it all the time meaning if we were to if we were to open up our phones and look at the screen time. What does yours look like? Well about every three hours I make a trip to the lavatory and that's the only time you do this seems like you're on there a lot.

No, I mean I did they'll be like brief moments between meetings. I mean, it's not obviously I've had like 17 jobs so, you know so so, and so no no, I guess technically it's work this point it is but I'm thinking just in terms of your mind sharing. I mean, by the way, there's a lot of people who should be working who are who are on this app technically posting on Twitter is 0 or X is work it does count as work.

So that's you know, there's that but no, I mean, I think I'm on. Well, I guess well, usually probably Well, I'm on well, for longer than I think I know what I know but you think that you have a day for the screen time of like number of hours per week. It's another that's a scary number. It's probably number hours per week. I don't know. It's a little over an hour a day or something like that. Just an hour a day.

If we really looked at this together, do you have your phone with you? Yeah, you want to look? Okay. Okay, here we go. You're ready screen time in general in time. in time? You ready time? Sometimes. It's a scary number. I know that's why I thought I just got a new phone. So I think this is not accurate because I'm a it's one minute minute for one it's for sure. It's more than that. Alright, it's over the week. Either go.

Yeah, go girl go to the week. Okay, so it's so wrong. It's more than four minutes. I just got a new phone. So this is not accurate. The police are four minutes new phone. Tim. Cook's end of the phone if new phone who does you know, I should ask by the way because I just mentioned Tim Cook. Do you feel like you're going to have to have a battle with him eventually, is that the next fight?

I mean, I'd over the App Store the idea of making a phone call. You mean like no. No so of the App Store value make a phone. Sam Altman is apparently I'm thinking about making a phone with Johnny Ive. I mean, I don't think there's a real need to make a phone maybe if those are essential needs megaphone or make it fun, but I got a lot of fish to fry.

So I mean I do think there's a there's a there's a fundamental challenge that phone makers have at this point because you've got basically got you've because this point at have makers phone that basically a black rectangle. You know, how do you make that better? So you want to do that? What does that was that look like in elon's head? So that's literally yes. Good good phrase in the head neurolink. Well, there we go.

That way we need times before it's over. You know, the best interface would be a neural interface directly to your brain so that they'll be in your life. How far we do you think from that and how excited or scary does that seem to be and we read these headlines obviously about a monkey's who died as you know, what should we think about that?

Yeah, actually the this is yeah, Yeah, the USDA inspector yeah, who came by neural link facilities literally said in said literally neurolink facilities in her entire career. She has never seen a better Animal Care Facility. it is It we are it the It nicest channels that you could possibly be even to the rats and mice even though they did the plague and everything. So it is it is like monkey Paradise.

So the thing that's gets conflated is that there were some terminal monkeys where you know, this is like this is actually several years ago where the monkeys were about to die and I'm like, okay, we've got an experimental device. It's so kind of thing, which only On a monkey that's about today.

And then you know now the monkey died but didn't die because the neural link died because it was, you know had a terminal case of cancer or something like that. So you're like it has never caused the death of a monkey Sylvester. I'm unless they're hiding something for me is is never caused death of monkey. And in fact, we've not had monkeys with neural implants for 23 years and they're doing great.

So And we've even replaced the dinner like twice. It's and we're getting ready to do the the first it's dinner like twice It's dinner like twice. it's dinner like twice implants and hopefully in a few months the they're only implementations of neural link. I think are unequivocally good speaking of the double-edged sword.

I think these early implementations are single edged sword because the first implementations will be to enable people who are have rushed the brain-body connection to be able to operate a computer or phone faster than someone who has hands.

That work so you can imagine if Stephen Hawking could that communicate faster than someone who had for body functionality Now Incredible that would be well that's what this device will do and we should have a proof of that in a human hopefully in a few months it already Works in monkeys worked quite well with monkeys that can play video games just using just by thinking so then the next application after the the sort of those, you know dealing with The the tetraplegic some The quite a really quite a few tricks is going to be Vision vision is the the next thing so it's like if somebody is like has lost both eyes or the optic nerve has failed basically where there's Basically failed.

they have no possibility basically failed of Basically failed. having sort of some ocular correction that that would be the next thing of when your link is a direct vision.

face and in fact, then you Face could be like Face, face, Geordi laforge from Star Trek you could you could see in like any frequency actually could see in radar if you want to final questions and then we're going to do in this conversation, which I think has taken everybody Inside the Mind of Elon Musk today. Not as well as the neural link below. neural link below it actually goes to self-driving It actually goes neural link below.

cars and vision and everything else everything and vision and cars driving self it actually goes and I asked this question of people to judge Transportation secretary. Three it's actually something you retweeted. So I wanted to ask you the same question. There's a big question about autonomous vehicles and the safety of them. But there's also a question about when will be politically palatable in this country for.

people to die in cars that That that are controlled by computers, which is say That we have 35 40 thousand deaths every year in this in this country. Yeah, if you could bring that number down to 10,000 5,000. That might be a great thing. But do we think that the country will accept the idea that 5,000 people that your family might have perished in a vehicle as a result not of human making a mistake but of a computer. Yes.

Well, first of all humans are terrible drivers, so people text and drive the drink and drive they get into arguments they you know Do all sorts of things in cars that they should not do. So so So it's actually remarkable that there are not more so deaths than there are what will find with computer driving is I think probably an order of magnitude reduction in deaths.

I think now and the US has actually far fewer deaths per capita than the rest of the world world. If you go if you world If you world. worldwide, I think there's something close to a million deaths per year due to Automotive accidents. So I think computer after driving will probably drop that. By 90% or more it won't it won't be perfect, but it'll be ten times better than that.

The public will accept that you think the government will accept that. Well in large numbers the well Well it will certainly be so obviously true that it really cannot be denied. And what do you think? I know we've talked about the timeline before and I know people have criticized you for putting out timelines that may not have come true just yet. But what do you think? Yeah it is. Do you feel that? You yourself said that sure of course.

so yeah, I I'm optimistic about I mean, I think I'm like naturally optimistic about time scales. If I was not naturally optimistic, I wouldn't be doing the things naturally optimistic. that I'm doing. naturally optimistic, I mean I certainly want to start a rock company or like a car company if I wouldn't have some sort of pathological optimism frankly.

So as you pointed out many people said they would fail and in fact I said, I actually I agreed with him I said, yes, we probably will fail and they're like, okay, but I thought SpaceX and Tesla had less than I like okay, a 10% chance of success when we started them. So yeah everybody but the self-driving thing is I've been optimistic about it, but we certainly made a lot of progress if anybody If progress.

has tried the very has been using the sort of full self-driving beta the progress is, you know, every year has been substantial. It's really now the point where in most places it'll take you from one place to another with no interventions. And the data is and unequivocal that And and that supervised for self-driving is somewhere around four times safer or maybe more than just human driving by by themselves.

So I'm you know I can certainly see it coming at what actually really the is another five or ten years and then people say, oh, no definitely not oh no definitely not definitely not did you feel like investors have invested in something that hasn't happened yet? Is that is that fair to them? And that's the other questions people have about that. Well, I mean, I think the their Vol with rare exception thought it wasn't happening.

So they were investing in despite thinking they're very clear that they don't think it's real so real it's think don't they very clear that they're thinking they don't saying oh we're we just leave everything you and says Hook Line & Sinker, We we but the thing is that I mean, I would be a fair criticism of me to say that I'm late, but it isn't but I always deliver in the end. And that's your final question. I took note of this.

It was November 11th. And you took to Twitter and you wrote only two words. You said amplify empathy. Right. I was taken back by that given all the things that have been going on in the world. You remember what you were thinking? Well, I think it's quite literally a I understand it but you always what was going on. What why did you write that? Well, I was encouraging people to apply empathy.

It literally attention quite literal, but was there something that it happened? That you had seen that you said yourself. I need to I want to say that I think I'm talking to some friends. And we all agreed that we should try to amplify empathy and so I wrote a profanity. If you wanted an unvarnished look inside the mind of Elon Musk. I think you just saw it. Look sometimes it's pretty simple, you know. Elon Musk.

Thank you very very much for the conversation. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much here. Take that with your second cousin. I'm just going to say thank you to everybody who stuck around for what has been a remarkable day. We are so appreciative of everybody who has been with us for so many years coming back to this every year. So, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I hope you had a great day, and I hope we have an opportunity to do this again Elon Musk everybody. Thank you.