我听人说，听着，他是个跳出框架思考的人，他是个商人，他是个企业家，但了解这个人的人，我不会说你会说我通常是一个商业计划，你不是商人，不，不，那你是什么，我要展示，华尔街上可能有很多分析师都同意我不是商人，好吧，那么你觉得自己是什么，我是工程师，喜欢工程和设计，但你不是商人，嗯，我是说，我不太会像这样看待事情，比如优先事项的排序清单是什么，或者基于投资回报，就一台Mac，那，我其实不做任何投资，我一直在公共安全里的自有葡萄酒上，而那就是Tesla，就这些，在公开证券方面我没有多元化，我听你形容过

自己是技术专家，是的，没错，技术专家制造新技术，创造新技术，这是你的，这是你的梦想吗，征服世界并让世界变得更美好，你的梦想是什么，技术就像魔法，你知道，要放，我是说，我不喜欢技术是我们在现实世界中拥有的最接近魔法的东西，所以我认为，像工程、创造性工程，本质上就是技术开发，而当我说我喜欢《指环王》是我最喜欢的书时，我只是移动我们，是吗，是的，那其实就像，在现实世界中什么最接近成为巫师，那就像是创造新技术

I've heard people say listen he's out-of-the-box thinker he's a businessman he's an entrepreneur but people that know this man I wouldn't say you would say I'm normally a business plan you're not a businessman no no what are you I'm gonna show there's probably lots of analyst on Wall Street who agree that I'm not a businessman okay well what do you think you are I'm engineer like engineering in design but you're not a businessman well I mean I don't sort of like look at things from like what's the rank ordered list of priorities or based on a return on investment just a Mac that I don't really do any investments I've been on the own wine in public security and that's Tesla that's it I've no diversity in terms of public securities I've heard you describe

yourself as a technologist yes exactly technologists make new technologies create new technologies is it your is it your dream to conquer the world and make the world a better place to what is your dream technologies like magic you know to put I mean I don't like technologies the closest thing to magic that we have in the real world and so I think like engineering creative engineering is essentially technology development and I just move us when I said I like Lord of the Rings is my favorite book is it yeah that's really like what's the closest thing to being a wizard in the real world and that's like creating new technologies