你为什么同意接受 BBC 的这这次采访，嗯，我不知道，我喜欢海绵和简单的，而且，呃，我不知道，现在发生了很多事，而且似乎我，我其实，嗯，对 BBC 非常尊重，嗯，虽然有时会忘记 PVC 代表什么，你知道，不过，呃，[笑声] 你知道它代表什么吗，是的，我知道，嗯，所以，嗯，对，对，所以现在发生了很多事，嗯，所以这也许是一个回答一些问题的好机会，而且，嗯，你知道，我想，呃，也许也能得到一些反馈，嗯，我们应该做出哪些改变，嗯，我知道，例如 BBC 对被标为，呃，国家相关媒体并不满意，不完全是，我本来打算稍后再谈这个，不过现在就谈吧，它已经正式对这个术语提出异议，你想回应吗

回应它，呃，是的，是的，所以我们，我的意思是，我们的目标只是，嗯，你知道，尽可能，呃，真实和准确，所以，嗯，我认为，呃，我认为我们，我们正在调整，不过会标为公共资助，我认为这也许不至于太令人反感，我们正努力做到准确，呃，我不是 BBC，但“公共资助”是 BBC 描述自己的方式，好的，好的，那么它也会这样称呼自己，所以如果我们使用 BBC 用来描述自己的相同措辞，那大概就没问题，我不是在要求你回答是或否，因为严格来说你并不负责 BBC，或者这大概看起来还算合理，相当合理，所以你要更改 BBC Twitter 动态上的那些标签，是的，还有 npls 的也会改，是的，是的，好，公共资助，很好，基本上

这就是我们正在努力做到尽可能准确，好的，是的，好吧，行，嗯，首先我只想澄清一件事，你睡在这里的办公室里吗，我有时睡在办公室里，比如图书室，每周5天吗，不，不，每周3天，我每周并不在这里5天，嗯，不过，呃，7楼有一个没人去的图书室，而且，呃，那里有一张沙发，我有一些，我有时待在那里，好的，好的，嗯，就整体情况而言，我认为我们同意这样做的原因，是因为他想谈谈担任 Twitter 首席执行官兼所有者的头6个月，嗯，是的，就像你想谈什么都行，你知道，好，那么你觉得进展如何，嗯，并不无聊，过程相当像坐过山

车，所以，嗯，我的意思是，我认为事情进展得，你知道，还算不错，我的意思是，就用户总使用时长而言，我们，我们看到了一些历史新高，所以，呃，我们，达到了，呃，每天80亿用户分钟，这是很多用户分钟，嗯，所以，嗯，是的，因此使用量上升了，呃，增长情况不错，除此之外大多能用，偶尔这里那里会出几个故障，不过，呃，网站运行得相当好，嗯，而且我们只用了原先，你知道，员工人数的一小部分就做到了，所以，我的意思是，你提到了服务中断，确实发生过几次，而我们实际上采访了一位在 Twitter 工作的工程师，他们说这里的管道系统坏了，而且着火了，随时都可能出现问题，你，你承认这一点吗，我的意思是，确实发生过几次服务中断，但，呃，并没有

持续很久，它现在运行得很好，所以你不，你不，这不会让你夜不能寐，担心 Twitter 可能再次下线吗，呃，到这个阶段，我认为我们已经相当清楚是什么让 Twitter 运转了，嗯，而且我们现在也是用，呃，呃，2个数据中心而不是3个，所以我们过去运行，有3个数据中心，呃，我们关闭了其中1个，所以我们实际上是原先计算能力的三分之二，大约三分之二，呃，但我们对，呃，核心算法做了很多改进，在某些情况下，我们将核心算法改进了80，所以实际的 CPU 使用量或计算机使用量大幅降低，所以，好吧，不过这些也不言自明，呃，尽管系统的使用量处于历史最高水平，它仍然很快，响应很灵敏，它

比收购之前的响应更灵敏，而且我们还增加了长篇推文，我们增加了，呃，你现在可以在2小时后发布视频，很快还能发布任意长度的视频，嗯，我们，我们正在推出订阅者计划，所以，所以人们可以，内容创作者实际上可以在 Twitter 上谋生，把他们的一些内容放到付费墙后面，嗯，而且，嗯，我们将算法开源了，因此哪些推文会被展示，什么，你知道，哪些内容会被展示、哪些不会，这些都是透明的，嗯，我想你会说，比如你到底要信任什么，你要信任其他某个网站的某种黑箱算法，还是信任你实际上可以看到并理解的东西，但你，你承认有很多工程师

正在研究 Twitter 的构建方式以及工程师的短缺，因为有这么多人已经离开，并且他们担心 Twitter 的健康状况吗，嗯，我的意思是，他们一直，嗯，这些人中有许多都曾预测 Twitter 将停止运作，他们的预测并未成为事实，你知道，插入马克·吐温，你知道，那句话，是的，有关死亡的规则被严重夸大了，嗯，让我们回到6个月前，我的意思是，我们现在确实就在 Twitter 上，对吧，所以它肯定能用，让我们回到6个月前，甚至比那更早，你最初提出报价时，随后又有所动摇，你大概说，其实我不想再买 Twitter 了，哦，不，我的意思是，我的意思是，这真的很有娱乐性，我的意思是，它就像肥皂剧，呃，因为

当我最初提出报价时，呃，对方的回应是，边界在毒丸之后，所以他们就像，见鬼，不行，你不能买 Twitter，我们宁愿死，我们就像在被收购前嚼氰化物，那是他们最初的回应，然后你说，其实我不想买了，是的，然后，然后，然后他们说，不，你必须买下我们，枪顶着脑袋，你必须买下我们，我就想，你们是那些说宁愿死也不愿让我感到无聊的同一批人吗，这难道不显得奇怪吗，所以我想问的问题是，就你所说的，你说原因是老板，因为 Twitter 充斥着机器人账号，看看现在，当时的你是否有一小部分想，其实也许我付多了，其实也许我不想这么做了，我想退出

这件事，说实话，是的，不，不，问题是，嗯，公开宣称的用户数量超过了真实用户数量，呃，所以，嗯，我听你谈过这个，是的，是的，基本上，现在回头看，这是你想要发布的唯一原因吗，是的，这确实就是问题所在，就像，就像假设你，嗯，呃，买下一间装满货物的仓库，有人告诉你仓库里的货物中，呃，不到5%是，呃，有，有，是损坏的，你知道，嗯，但随后你真的到了那里，查看仓库，结果其实有25的东西坏了，你就会想，嗯，这，呃，这可不是你说的那样，所以后来你又改变主意，决定买下它，我不得不买，因为你认为法院会迫使你

那样做，是的，对，是的，那就是原因，对吧，所以当时你仍然在试图退出，然后律师只是建议你，听着，我们会买下这个，是的，真的吗，真的，不，我的意思是，比如，比如可以这么说，我认为这个类比非常，非常接近，比如说，你知道，就像你，有一个装着4件货物的仓库，呃，他们说仓库里，呃，不到5%的东西，所以，是坏的，然后你看了看，你走进仓库，说其实是25，所以你，你可能仍然想买下那个仓库里的东西，但价格大概会低一些，不买那些坏掉的东西，我并没有突然顿悟，你只是想，我会，因为我将不得不买下这个，我不如买下子弹，是的，然后你走路超级

复杂，对，对，我不确定你以前说过这个，哦，有道理，嗯，所以后来你，你卷入了2起严重的一大堆诉讼，你在 BBC 区域说过这个，所以后来你带着一个水槽走进 Twitter，你的第一印象是什么，嗯，我想，哇，这是一栋非常漂亮的办公楼，呃，而且，呃，很昂贵，是的，一栋非常昂贵的办公楼，嗯，装修很棒，是个漂亮的地方，嗯，而且，嗯，我的意思是，确实在花钱，就像钱快要过时一样，而它还没有完全过时，嗯，所以当时的严峻形势也许没有被充分理解，嗯，在，你知道，公司交易完成时，呃，Twitter 当时正朝着，呃，每年亏损超过30亿美元的方向发展，所以，呃，而且有10亿

在银行里，所以离死亡还有4个月，那么这是你的起点，你感觉如何，非常，非常紧张，你知道，他们还不得不借相当多的钱，也要支付利息，嗯，这就是为什么我把它放一边，那是30亿美元的，呃，运行速率，所以，嗯，粗略来说，在正常年份，Twitter 的营收会达到，你说，比如说45亿，成本为45亿美元，嗯，我的意思是，它真的有点像一家非营利机构，他们让它大致，大致维持收支平衡，现在这不叫破产，哦，它收支平衡，但，但随后问题是，嗯，如果你再加上15亿美元的债务偿付，嗯，而且营收大幅下降，我们确实如此，嗯，这部分是周期性的，部分是，你知道，政治

担忧或其他什么，嗯，所以营收，你知道，可以说下降了超过三分之一，这不，而且这不只是 Twitter，呃，你知道，Facebook 和 Google 也看到了一些显著的广告营收客户，这对 Twitter 来说有一点，一直有一点更高，但大多数广告商正在回来，所以我认为我们会，我们会回到原来的状态，当时出现了周期性需求下降，现在仍然相当显著，嗯，粗略数字是，营收从45亿降至30亿，嗯，呃，而且，嗯，支出从45亿上升到60亿，造成了30亿美元的负现金流局面，而 Twitter 的银行账户里有10亿美元，那就是还能活4个月，所以除非立即采取激烈行动，否则这家公司就会死掉，让我们

谈谈那个激烈行动，因为几乎立刻，嗯，你解雇了很多 Twitter 员工，嗯，是的，而且我，我和他们谈过，事情发生时很容易联系到他们，而且，而且他们说，几乎每个人都说，这感觉相当随意，感觉有点不近人情，我不会说不近人情，这，这，这，这个，你知道，问题是，就像，呃，公司就要破产了，嗯，或者如果我们不立即削减成本，嗯，这不是关心还是不关心的问题，就像如果所有船都沉了，就没人会开车，对，是的，但很多人就那样失去了工作，嗯，而且，而且他们甚至不知道，他们常常不知道自己已经丢了工作，他们只是，让我问你，他们的账户，你会怎么做，嗯，你也许会想

提前通知某人，我的意思是，你也许会，顺便说一下，我并不负责 Twitter，但不，不，不过这就是批评，而且这确实，这算是提前一点通知，呃，你知道，不，我理解，如果你还剩4个月可活，120天，而120天后你就死了，那么要怎么做，所以你想怎么办，你身价多少，我不知道，但我的意思是，我们说的是大约2000亿美元这个量级，我的意思是，情况并不完全是，你正在用一种方式来描述它，你知道，说它只剩几个月可活，你可是个相当富有的人，嗯，我看到了很多 Tesla 股票来完成这笔交易，我不想卖 Tesla 明星，好的，嗯，对于一些员工被解雇的方式，你有什么遗憾吗，呃，我的意思是，人们得到了，你知道，3个月的服务器，在

某些情况下更多，所以，嗯，但是，你知道，正如我所说，公司需要依靠自己的认知来运营，呃，而且，呃，这并不，这并不像人们可能认为的那样，我可以轻易出售股票，我必须在特定时期出售股票，其他时期不能出售股票，嗯，所以只有，只有短暂的窗口期我不能出售 Tesla 股票，然后这经常被视为对 Tesla 缺乏信心，而事实上，Tesla 股票的出售过程导致 Tesla 股价暴跌，呃，这并不好，你认为这两者有关联吗，嗯，人们无法区分，我出售 Tesla 股票是因为我对 Tesla 失去了信心，而我并没有，还是因为 Twitter 迫切需要资金，嗯，好的，然后在那之后，在，嗯

你，嗯，解雇了很多东西之后，显然切换后的 Twitter 瘦身了很多，随后他开始做出更多政策决定，其中一项政策决定是让唐纳德·特朗普回来，他实际上还没有发推文，对吧，你预计他会在某个时候回来吗，比如你和他谈过吗，我没和他谈过，但关键是 Twitter 应该是，呃，一个市民广场，或者说，呃，让，你知道，整个国家，最好是全世界，都拥有平等的发言权，嗯，它不应该是党派政治，呃，你知道，而且光谱最左端的更多停顿和政治，旧金山伯克利政治通常相当小众，嗯，但如果 Twitter 实际上充当了一种扩音器，放大一种非常小众的地区政治

并且，并且向全世界用扩音器放大它，所以为了让某种东西作为数字市民广场发挥作用，它必须，呃，你知道，为具有各种政治倾向的所有人服务，呃，只要这是合法的，嗯，所以，是的，这个国家接近一半的人，呃，投票给特朗普，我不是其中之一，我投票给了拜登，嗯，但尽管如此，呃，你知道，除非你允许你不喜欢的人，呃，说你不喜欢的话，否则言论自由就毫无意义，不然它就是相关的，嗯，而且一旦到了你失去言论自由的时刻，它就不会再回来，我认为一些人的问题在于，很多人被允许回来了，我的意思是，一些被允许回来的人，此前因为传播诸如，呃，q 和 on 阴谋论之类的东西而被封禁，还有像安德鲁·泰克这样的人被允许回来

他们此前因为仇恨言论之类的事情，呃，被封禁，你认为你把言论自由置于错误信息和仇恨言论之上了吗，嗯，你知道，谁有权说某个东西，某个东西是错误信息，嗯，谁来审核，是 BBC 吗，而你确实就在问我，是的，嗯，不，你才是 Twitter 上的裁决者，因为你拥有 Twitter，是的，我是说，谁有权说一个人的错误信息就是另一个人的信息，嗯，在你，你说存在，呃，这一点上，这对我来说缺失了，比如谁是这个信息可能是危险的，它可能在现实世界造成伤害，它可能会造成，嗯，是的，所以流量的要点是 BBC 自己有时也发布过虚假内容，你作为一张卡同意吗，我

我，我相当确定 BBC 以前，呃，说过后来被证明不真实的事情，对吧，它有不管多少，100年的历史，我的问题是，即使你立志做到准确，也会有你，你做不到的时候，我认为地下立志做到准确，但你承认仇恨言论方面必须有一条界线，我的意思是，不，你追求的并不是完全100%不受限制的言论，嗯，有，我的意思是，我大体上每月的看法是，如果，如果，呃，如果你，如果，如果某个国家的人民反对某种言论，他们应该去找他们选出的代表，并通过一项法律来阻止它，所以比如说，你不能鼓吹谋杀某人，这在美国是违法的，其实各地都是，我猜是这样，呃，所以言论是有限制的

嗯，我的意思是，我想把你的论点推到其逻辑结论，那么你是否承认，如果平台没有以同样方式受到监管，平台上的错误信息就更多了，我，我实际上认为如今更少了，因为我们，我们已经清除了很多推送诈骗和垃圾信息的机器人，而之前的管理层对妻子视而不见，因为他们的奖金与用户增长挂钩，如果你的投票，如果你的，如果你的谈话与用户增长挂钩，呃，那么你就不会太仔细地审视某些用户，这正是问题的一部分，所以我认为我们的信息更少，更少，因为我们，我们不再有过去的区块问题，而且我们也非常重视社区注释，它会纠正

由社区自己纠正错误信息，成效非常显著，嗯，我只想补充，你知道，我们采访过曾从事内容审核但已被解雇的人，而且，而且我们最近也采访过参与审核工作的人，他们只是说，他们只是说，没有足够的人来监管这些东西，尤其是围绕，嗯，尤其是公司里的仇恨言论，表明你在说什么，我的意思是，你用 Twitter，对吧，你看到仇恨言论增加了吗，我的意思是，只说个人轶事，比如你会怎么做，我没有，但就我个人而言，我的，呃，对你来说，我会看到，我会看到更多那类内容，是的，就个人而言，但我不会代表 Twitter 的其他，其他部分发言，你看到更多

仇恨言论了吗，就个人而言，我会说，我在那些内容里，在那些内容里会看到更多仇恨内容，你不喜欢的内容，还是，还是仇恨内容，你是什么意思，描述一件仇恨的东西，是的，你知道，就是会引发反应的内容，可能包含一些略带种族主义或略带性别歧视的东西，诸如此类，诸如此类的东西，所以你认为如果某个东西略带性别歧视，就应该被封禁吗，不，你是在这么说吗，我什么都没说，我只是好奇，我想理解你说的仇恨内容是什么意思，我要求你提供具体例子，嗯，而且如果，而且你刚才说某个东西略带性别歧视，那就是仇恨内容，这是否意味着它应该很糟，嗯，是你问我的，是你问我的，我的动态里是否

更少还是更多，我会说稍微更多，所以我才要求举例，我可以，你能举出1个例子吗，我，我真的不需要，我，我说实话，我举不出任何1个例子，我告诉你为什么，因为我其实已经不用那个“为你推荐”动态了，因为我只是不太喜欢它，但你说很多人，很多人都非常相似，我，我只，我需要等一下，你说你看到了更多仇恨内容，但你连任何1个例子都举不出来，连1个都没有，我不确定过去3或4周我有没有用过那个动态，那你是怎么看到床头板联系人的，因为自从你收购后，过去6个月我一直，我一直在使用 Twitter，好的，那么你一定曾在某个时候看到，你是为了

你仇恨内容，我要求举1个例子，对吧，你连简单的1个都举不出来，而且，而且我说，我，我说，所以你不知道自己在说什么，真的，是的，因为你连任何1个仇恨内容的例子都举不出来，连1条推文都没有，可你却声称仇恨内容很高，嗯，这是虚假的，不，我可以，只是撒谎，什么，不，不，我声称的是，呃，有许多，呃，组织说那类信息正在增加，现在不管它是否，也许举1个例子，我的意思是，对，而且确实有人，比如这个，呃，英国的战略对话，呃，研究所，他们会这么说，所以人们会说各种各样的废话，我确实只要求举出1个例子，而你1个都说不出来，对，而且正如我已经说过的

我不用那个动态，但你怎么会知道，我认为这没有取得任何进展，你确实说自己经历了更多仇恨内容，然后却连任何1个例子都说不出来，对，而且正如我所说，这很荒谬，我没有，我实际上没有看过那个信息流，那你怎么会知道这些美丽内容，因为我说那是我几周前看到的，我没法给你1个确切例子，我们换个话题吧，我们只有一定的时间，嗯，隐蔽的错误信息，你更改了带有错误信息的代码，BBC 更改了隐蔽性信息吗，BBC 不制定 Twitter 上的规则，所以我在问你，不，我在说 BBC 关于贪图的错误信息，我，我只是问你，你更改了那些标签，那些隐蔽的错误信息

标签，过去有一项政策，后来它就消失了，为什么这么做，隐蔽不再是一个问题了，BBC 是否认为自己要对有关口罩和疫苗接种副作用的错误信息，以及完全不报道这些，承担任何责任，还有英国政府向 BBC 施压、要求其改变编辑政策这件事，你知道吗，这是一次，这是一次并非关于 BBC 的采访，哦，你以为不是，而我现在看到生活在 Twitter Spaces 上，我不是 BBC 编辑政策的代表，我想把这一点说清楚，我们谈点别的吧，好吧，我们，我们谈谈，我们谈点别的，你没料到这个，我们谈点别的，纳伦德拉·莫迪，BBC

制作了一部，嗯，关于纳伦德拉·莫迪及其在骚乱和古吉拉特邦期间的领导的纪录片，嗯，后来我们认为其中一些，其中一些内容被从 Twitter 上删除了，这是应印度政府的要求吗，我不了解那个具体情况，所以你只是，你不确定，我，我不知道，我不了解那件事，那个，你知道，印度某些内容情况具体发生了什么，关于，关于什么内容可以出现在社交媒体上的想法相当严格，而我们不能超越一个国家的法律，但你是否明白，如果你这样做，你就是在激励世界各国干脆通过更多严苛的法律，不，呃，听着，如果我们只能在让我们的人入狱，呃，和遵守法律之间选择，我们会遵守

法律，BBC 也一样，好的，好的，嗯，自从你，呃，成为首席执行官以来，城里又出现了另一个故事，这样说对吗，我已经不是首席执行官了，好的，你是首席汗水官还是什么，不，我的狗 Floki 是秘密，好的，嗯，它接管了，我，我看到了，是的，嗯，好的，所以，所以 Tech talk 也出现在新闻中，有人谈论你必须收购，希望潜在封禁它或，或强制出售的政府，你对这个情况有什么看法，我不怎么用 tick tock，嗯，我的意思是，我之所以强调，呃，我认为我们在 Twitter 的目标是最大化，呃，不后悔的用户分钟数或不被忽视的用户时间，原因之一，是我听很多人告诉我，他们在 Tick Tock 上花了很多时间，但他们后悔花了这些时间，而这似乎

就像，好吧，我们不想要令人后悔的时间，我们希望时间是不后悔的，你学到了东西，得到了娱乐，觉得有趣，嗯，我的意思是，坦白说，我，我，你知道，我从 Twitter 获得的更多是，呃，笑声，而不是别的，而且很多人也告诉我同样的事，所以这是个好迹象，对于 tick tock 本身，就像我说的，我只是不够了解那里发生了什么，嗯，不能说我对 tick tock 有强烈看法，所以你对于它是否应该被封禁有看法吗，你知道，我通常反对封禁事物，嗯，所以我，我可能不会赞成，我的意思是，如果 Tick Tock 被封禁，那会，那会帮到 Twitter，我想是这样，呃，因为那样人们会花更多时间使用 Twitter，除非我是一个 tick tock，但即便那会，那

即便那会帮助 Twitter，我总体上也会反对封禁，封禁事物，好的，嗯，你是否有时觉得，你的众多商业利益可能会妨碍你发表意见，我的意思是，例如 Tesla 在中国有重要联系，你是否，你不会，你不会对某件事持有某种意见，或者因为你在其他地方的其他商业利益而不便说些什么吗，我看起来不自在吗，其实我意识到我看起来非常自在，嗯，呃，是的，我的意思是，Tesla 在世界各地都有业务，SpaceX 也是，嗯，你知道，偶尔这些事情确实会发生冲突，嗯，但又不是说 Twitter，呃，你知道，在中国运营，不是吗，它在中国很糟糕，所以，嗯，而且当然

关于 Twitter，我没有收到中国政府任何任何形式的沟通，好吧，嗯，就广告而言，显然 Twitter 现在不再是一家私营公司，所以我们并不真正知道它是怎样、这一切会怎样，所有广告商都回来了吗，呃，不是全部，但大多数都回来了，而且你自己在 Twitter 上就能看到，甚至在“为你推荐”信息流之前，对吧，我是说，抱歉，其实是在“正在关注”里，不要用“为你推荐”，因为它很糟糕，没错，里面充斥着仇恨言论，我听说，嗯，我不是这么说的，好吧，那你为什么不用“为你推荐”，它有什么问题，嗯，情况怎么样，Twitter 现在盈利了吗，不，Twitter，呃，呃，很艰难，我会说目前我们大致处于盈亏平衡，我想你以前说过，你你看到了一个、你看到了一个你们可以

实现盈利的世界，你觉得这有时间表吗，我是说，取决于情况如何，如果当前趋势持续下去，我认为我们可能会盈利，或者更准确地说，我们可能会在本季度实现正现金流，呃，如果本季度情况继续顺利的话，这么快，我想有可能，是的，哇，嗯，你有什么话要对广告商说吗，我是说，你能说说哪些广告商还没有回来吗，嗯，我觉得我觉得几乎所有广告商要么已经回来了，要么说他们会回来，例外非常少，你能说说有哪些例外吗，嗯，实际上我不知道有谁明确说过他们不会回来，他们全都有点在朝着回归的方向发展，但有些就是没法跳进来，水很暖和，棒极了，那就是

你要对那些还没有回来的广告商说的话，是的，我是说，你看，呃，你知道，如果如果如果 Disney 觉得可以放心地，嗯，为儿童电影投放广告，而且 Apple 觉得可以放心地为 iPhone 投放广告，那就是很好的指标，说明 Twitter 是，嗯，一个适合投放广告的地方，嗯，我想谈谈你是否有任何后悔、后悔的事，而且，而且你知道，我想你在 Dave Chappelle 演唱会上是佛陀，我想你自己的律师，一点，一点点，好吧，有些人说一点，有些人说更多一些，嗯，我想你自己的律师说过，你在旧金山无法得到公正审判，因为这里有很多人不一定喜欢你，是的，但你知道，我不得不说，他错了，我想他错了，因为我被旧金山

陪审团一致裁定无罪，所以是的，但我想，不过你看，你后悔收购 Twitter 吗，嗯，我认为这是需要做的事，嗯，很困难，你知道，我会说 Twitter 带来的那种那种痛苦程度一直极高，嗯，这不是什么派对，嗯，所以，呃，在过去几个月里，这确实是一个压力非常大的处境，呃，你知道，并不，并不轻松，我，我有点，除了痛苦之外，我是说，所以这一直相当痛苦，嗯，但我认为，呃，归根结底，这件事本来就应该做，我认为它不是，在这个过程中当然犯了许多错误，你知道，嗯，而且，呃，但是你知道，结局好就一切都好，所以我，我感觉我们正朝着一个好地方前进，嗯，你知道，我们大致处于盈亏平衡，我认为我们的趋势正朝着

很快就会变得有点流量为正，真的就是几个月之内，嗯，广告商正在回来，嗯，我认为推荐推文的质量已经显著改善，而且我们从，呃，那些查看过开源推荐算法的人那里获得了大量反馈，并且我们，我们做了很多改进，甚至，甚至是在它开源之后，我们还会继续这样做，所以总体而言，我认为趋势非常好，所以，你知道，我是说，其实我正要问你这个问题，你提到了痛苦，但你确实发过推文，呃，我想是在2月，你说过去3个月极其艰难，我不希望任何人承受那种痛苦。好，你说的是情感上的痛苦吗？我是说，你能，你能解释一下吗

哦，那里并没有开始或任何事情，对吧，对吧，就像欧洲周围的一些人说，我们身处危险的地带，是吗，它可能是，但你能不能讲讲这带来的情绪压力？是的，我是说，听着，我承受着，我一直受到持续不断的攻击，我是说，呃，并不是说我，你知道，有一颗冷酷如石的心或类似的东西，你知道，呃，如果你不断受到批评和攻击，这，而且随后那些东西还被不间断地推送给你，包括通过Twitter，嗯，那，挺难受的，你知道，嗯，不是，归根结底，我多少认为，比如，如果你确实失去了反馈回路，那实际上并不好，嗯，所以，呃，你知道，如果，所以我认为获得负面反馈实际上很重要，嗯，我没有关闭回复功能，而且我其实把

摆脱……我移除了我的整个屏蔽名单，所以我也不屏蔽任何人，嗯，所以，所以有人可以，你知道，所以我会收到，比如，大量负面反馈，嗯，但我认为获得负面反馈实际上是好事。对，当你谈到这种情绪压力时，你又回到了反馈这个话题，那是最难承受的事情吗，那种负面反馈？是的，我是说，如果，如果，呃，如果媒体不断撰写报道，说你为什么是个糟糕的人，我是说，这，你知道，嗯，这，呃，显然很伤人。我，我，我写下了很多这些问题，但，但是我没有写下这个问题，不过这很有意思，感觉你和媒体有一种相当，某种有意思的关系，因为一方面，在某些方面，你相当怀疑、相当批判

尤其是对主流媒体，但你也会因为媒体写的东西而受到伤害，而且，嗯，你现在仍然从BBC获取新闻吗，正如你已经说过的，我真的关注了辱骂，对吧，对吧，等等，所以你觉得自己与媒体有一种，一种奇怪的关系吗？是的。请解释。不，这在某种程度上是一种爱恨交织的关系，尽管我是说，它可能稍微更多地偏向头部。[笑声] 嗯，但是，呃，你知道，这，呃，你知道，我，我认为这算是拥有自由媒体环境必然伴随的一部分，也就是，嗯，你知道，我确实，我确实再次感到宽慰，因为媒体实际上能够经常抨击我，呃，在，你知道，在美国、英国等等，嗯，而你知道，在很多其他地方，呃

Vita不能对有权势的人说，呃，刻薄的话。好，但我认为，我们拥有一种媒体可以对有权势的人说，呃，刻薄话的环境会更好。如果我们在谈媒体，那就谈谈认证，它让你显然想创造另一种基于订阅的收入来源，认证是实现这一点的方式吗？因为我们目前有一种情况，《纽约时报》没有认证徽章，随便吧，每月几美元。是的，这，这能是对的吗？这是你收购Twitter时所设想的吗？我，我必须承认，移除《纽约时报》的认证批次给我带来了一些愉悦，那，那太棒了，嗯，不管怎样，他们仍然活得好好的，所以，呃，他们，他们没事

但严肃地说，这可能再次煽动虚假信息，如果你的认证账户，呃，来自任何能付钱的人，他们仅仅，他们会潜在地升到，呃，信息流顶部，嗯，他们在Twitter上获得更多互动，而，呃，可能不会为，呃，认证付费的传统媒体则不会。你明白这可能如何成为虚假信息的驱动因素吗？嗯，我是说，我，我认为媒体是虚假信息的驱动因素，其程度远超媒体愿意承认的程度，嗯，我是说，那是另一个问题。是的，嗯，但你有点像是在说，比如，比如谁最清楚，普通公民，还是，你知道，呃，所以某个记者，嗯，而我认为在很多情况下，嗯，普通公民确实比记者知道得更多，事实上

我是说，经常有这种情况，当我看到一篇关于某个，呃，我非常了解的事情的文章，而且我读了那篇文章，就会觉得他们弄错了很多东西，嗯，而且，呃，你知道，某种最好的解释是，有人其实并不了解这个行业里正在发生什么，手头只有少数事实可用，又必须写出一篇文章，它不会，你知道，它不会，它不会正中靶心，嗯，呃，所以，所以接着，比如，总体来说这就是，多昂贵，如果你读到一篇关于你了解的事物的文章，其中有多少，那篇文章有多准确？现在想象一下，那就是，那就是所有文章如何，或者说本质上所有文章都是这样，它们是对正在发生之事的近似描述，但，但不是一种，不是一个确切的，呃，情况。所以，如果某个人实际上

比如说，呃，身处混战之中，或者是该领域的专家，而且，呃，当时确实在那里，然后，然后写下他们亲身在场的经历，我，我认为实际上那，那在很多情况下会比记者更好，因为记者当时不在那里。我想你说过，旧有的认证蓝色科技将在下周消失，呃，之前已经有过几个，几个截止日期。4 20。

是的，我，我看懂这个笑话了，嗯，很明显。是的，它让你损失了很多钱。嗯，幸运的是，审判中并没有。嗯，是的，对，但正如你说的，他们适合它，对吧？是的，我们会要求退款。是的，好吧，祝你好运。我们先不谈那个，但理论上，所有旧有蓝色性，下周都消失，消失，而这就是，届时你就会多少弄清楚这究竟会沉下去还是游起来。是的。你的，你的舱门是什么？我是说，你显然——我认为这很好。是的，是的，它会游得很好。好，在这方面，就收入来源而言，你期待什么，不管有什么目标？嗯，我，我不知道它是否，比如，必然会成为一个巨大的收入来源，嗯，你知道，因为即使你，如果你有大约100万，呃，订阅了的人

假设大约每年100，那就是1亿美元，嗯，而且，呃，那是，那是一个，相对于广告而言相当小的收入来源，嗯，但我们在这里真正试图通过认证做到的是，大幅提高这种信息以及一般而言的机器人的成本，所以我的预测是，任何不，呃，坚持付费认证的社交媒体公司，都只会被高级 AI 机器人淹没，我是说，chat gbt 本质上是无数个 chat gbt 实例，这真的是你想在平台上看到的吗？你想让大型新闻机构被机器人淹没，以至于它们不得不去，关键是，如果你付费，你就不会被淹没，但很多机构已经说过它们不会付费，比如《纽约时报》，那么你

知道，那取决于它们，如果它们，你知道，去让它们付费，嗯，这是一小笔钱，所以我不知道它们有什么问题，嗯，所以，呃，但我们会平等对待所有人，所以我们不会做的是，说存在某个受膏的记者阶层，他们是特殊的人，可以告诉所有人他们，他们，他们应该怎么想，人们怎么想应该由人们自己决定，嗯，即使一篇文章完全准确，而且，嗯，全面，什么都有，但在撰写那篇文章时，媒体仍然是在选择叙事，它们在决定要写什么主题的文章，嗯，所以我希望这可以更多地成为一种由公众选择叙事，而不是由媒体选择叙事的情况，但媒体

可以选择，至少是媒体和公众共同选择叙事，嗯，而且公众可以对报道发表意见，如果他们，如果他们认为有什么，他们应该为其补充些什么，或者如果我们有什么地方弄错了，随着时间推移，我认为如果 Twitter 是最好的真相来源，它就会成功，而如果，而如果我们不是最好的真相来源，我们就会失败。如果现在有人进来，出价440亿买 Twitter，你会接受吗？不会。你会考虑吗？不会，不会。为什么？呃，好吧，我收回这话，我想这取决于是谁，如果我确信他们会追求，会严谨地追求真相，嗯，那么我，那么我，我想，我想我会很乐意把它交给其他人。我其实不在乎钱，但我

我，我确实想拥有某种我可以信赖的真相来源，嗯，而且，而且我，我希望这就是我们对 Twitter 的愿景，即拥有，你知道，一个你可以信赖的真相来源。哦，那，那，它也是实时的，它是一个你可以信赖的即时真相来源，而且随着人们发表评论，它会随时间变得更加准确，尤其是关于那个。好吧，如果你不在乎钱，你可以直接把它交给某个你认为适合运营 Twitter 的人。你觉得那可能是谁？我，我不是 Twitter 的老板。没人选。好吧，那是，你可能仍然对谁能运营 Twitter 有个想法。是的，老实说，我完全不知道谁能运营 Twitter。是啊，这是一份很难的工作。好吧，让我们，我是说，让我们谈谈那件事。你说过你打算

要，嗯，卸任首席执行官，对吧？好吧，我可以告诉你，我不是 Twitter 的首席执行官，我的狗才是首席执行官。好吧，你有没有任何，它是一条很棒的狗，除了故事提醒之外，而且很难把任何事情瞒过它。好吧，知道这点很好。除了那条狗，你取得过什么成功吗？你有一件黑色的，一件高领毛衣，还是你需要什么？[笑声] 我们刚才说到哪儿了？呃，对，你会，你会想要谁，你心里有继任者吗？还没有，希望某个时候会有。好吧，所以因为你确实说过你打算站出来。好吧，我确实站出来了。好吧，好吧，那我们就跳过这个。好吧，这间办公室呢？我对这间办公室很感兴趣。你说它甚至很昂贵，你真的很新。是的，是的，为什么我们不能，嗯，在

一个尴尬的，或者一个叫作这个社区的东西，我想 Jack Dorsey 算是建议过那样做，但我差不多无视了。是的，其实有点糟糕。嗯，呃，这间办公室，你在考虑搬离旧金山吗？呃，还没有，还没有，不过是的，不，这地方很好，而且，呃，我们，你知道，其实我有点喜欢这个障碍。是的。好吧，所以你不会，因为我知道你谈过这里的犯罪率很高，实际上你说过，我想，我们应该对犯罪采取一些措施，对吧，因为有人正在死去，对吧，我们应该采取行动。你还谈过，我想你可能是在开玩笑，但你可以把这里变成无家可归者收容所。所以，是的，我想我之所以问，是因为，你知道，你已经，你已经，如果我们试着把……变成

把它变成大楼里的一处无家可归者拍摄点，霸凌管理方是，嗯，业主拒绝了。你试过？是的，他们不让我们这么做。我们只使用其中一栋楼，所以另一栋楼可以成为无家可归者收容所，而你已经试着……是的，我们现在就想这么做。真的吗？是的。然后不行，你们被谁阻止了？被楼宇业主。他们不愿意？不，事实上，他们甚至不让我们把标牌上的 W 拿下来。所以你打算怎么做？真的相当，相当，呃，你知道，你对收容所有什么，什么计划？我不知道，我们可以就让人们住在那里，那里不错，对吧。好吧，我，我不知道这个。他们可以带上自己的东西，带上帐篷，随便什么，对吧。而且头顶上有屋顶。是的，如果婚礼业主允许我们，我们就会……

这么做。是的，所以如果只有那栋楼的业主允许你，你会，你会很乐意这么做？是的。好吧，好了，就是这样。嗯，你不得不做的最困难的事情是什么？你不得不做过的最难的事情是什么？在我的一生中？在过去6个月里，我们说的是，说说过去6个月，作为 Twitter 老板，Twitter 所有者的你。嗯，关闭，呃，我们的一个服务中心是，是相当困难的，因为结果发现那里有，我原以为这些服务中心是冗余的，但事实上有很多东西被硬编码到了这一个服务器中心，所以当我们关闭它时，我们实际上，呃，后果相当灾难性，我们失去了很多功能，于是算是非常匆忙地恢复它。那是什么时候？当时我在大约……

12月下旬到1月上旬，所以那是最大的一种，我，我很担心，最大的危机。是的，是的。那么在情绪方面艰难吗？我的意思是，我的意思是，这涉及解雇员工，我的意思是，当时，目前的，人员规模是多少，现在又是多少？嗯，我想我们，嗯，目前大约有1500人，而当时我想是7 800人。

那是多少？所以我想当时大约略低于8000，8000，眼下是1500。好吧，解雇这么多人很难吗？是的，一点都不好受，很痛苦。我是说，我想，是在哪方面，你是否觉得他们，他们，他们离开时，你需要和他们谈谈，还是说，我是说，亲自和这么多人交谈是不可能的。那是否，我是说，你谈过那是最具技术性的部分，那是否，是否算是情感上最困难的事情，还是说……这当然是最困难的事情之一。是的，是的。嗯，关于 Nancy Pelosi 的推文，不过还有过，那是一个电影的例子，还有过其他的。嗯，你觉得自己是个冲动的人吗？我是说，我有没有因为发推文而搬起石头砸自己的脚？

很多次，是的。你觉得……像是我现在需要防弹鞋吗？我的意思是，你确实那么做过。问题是你现在是 Twitter 的所有者，你觉得自己是不是应该更多地审视你的推文？当你发出某些内容时，你承担着更多、更高的责任，要确保它准确。我觉得我不应该在凌晨 3 点之后发推，呃，这是新规定。对，差不多。好，所以是一项全面禁令。我应该，我不应该，我不应该，呃……我喜欢你的 Twitter，你的 Twitter 规则是什么？我的意思是，有些人跟我说，喝酒后绝不要发推，或者生气时绝不要发推。你的 Twitter 规则是什么？嗯，我觉得这两条都是好规则。对，如果你喝得烂醉就别发推，嗯，还有，呃，或者你知道，对某件事真的很生气，嗯，对，可能吧。

呃，我的意思是，我的一位好朋友，嗯，其实提了一个很好的建议，确实有帮助，呃，就是说，呃，如果你打算发一些，呃，可能有争议的内容，呃，你就把它存为草稿，第二天再看，看你是否仍然想把它发出去，而这一直是一条很好的规则。和他们……好，我们有一堆事情，我很庆幸自己没有发出去，嗯。我不记得有没有问过你这个问题了，这是我现在算是、算是要收尾了，不过，对，你有什么后悔的事吗？呃，我的意思是，我们总是会说事后看来一清二楚，也就是 2020，所以你知道，肯定有一堆决定原本可以做得更好，嗯，但是，嗯，正如我说的，结局好就一切都好，嗯，而且事情进展得相当不错，所以，呃，从大局来看，我，我没什么可抱怨的。好，嗯，我要……

只是检查一下我的、我的事项清单，确保我确实……我的意思是，也许有什么……我们有人在、在 Twitter 上，一旦你说问，你知道，我们可以问他们，那都是新的，那取决于你。这里有 680 000 人正在收听。你看，这很多。确实很多。呃，让我们看看怎么查看。好，让我看看谁……我就看看我的、我的推文，呃，看看大家在说什么，或者我有什么问题。嗯，[笑声] 你喜欢 BBC 吗？你喜欢 BBC 吗？好吧，对，我们不打算……哦，我不能采访你。你说什么，为 BBC？嗯，宝贝，你喜欢……你喜欢 BBC 吗？我知道，我明白你在做什么。我不会回应那个。好，我觉得如果你想继续的话，你可以结束采访。非常感谢，我真的很感激。你确定……

你喜欢 PVC，来吧。嗯，我不接这个话。好了，埃隆，老实说，和你交谈一直很愉快。好，真的很愉快。如果你想，如果你想在、在、在、在这上面继续回答问题，那我就不……好吧，我只是想看看有没有什么，你知道，好的……这里有很多评论。嗯，我能想象。嗯，实在太多了。不管怎样，所以，接受 BBC 的采访很愉快。我非常尊重英国广播公司。嗯，当实际标签将要公开时，你说了什么？哦，是吗，嗯，是不是……我们仍然写国家媒体之类的吗？哦，现在写的是“政府资助的媒体”，嗯，与“公众资助的媒体”相对。嗯，我想如果你愿意的话，我们大概明天就可以做出那项更改，它……

由你决定，但我的意思是，你可以看到，我们预计明天会这样。我的意思是，你个人层面有什么要求吗，或者你可以从个人层面来说吗？不，我没有。好，好，我想我们已经确定了这一点。嗯，人们在问你什么问题？继续。嗯，我的意思是，有很多评论。呃，让我看看，我刚才确实在看回复，你知道，就是关于这个空间的事实，嗯……过去六个月里，有没有什么好问题是我漏掉的？我肯定漏掉了很多。嗯，我的意思是，人们总体上似乎喜欢这次酒店采访，嗯，有几条负面评论，所以总体上是正面的。那是不是……那对我来说可能很糟糕。[笑声] 看，呃，我想有一些抱怨，说 Twitter Spaces 需要一些改进。

我们把 Twitter Spaces 修好吧，这是其中一条评论，嗯，人们喜欢我的狗洛基担任首席执行官这件事，嗯，而且，呃，我真的只是在这里尽可能快地滚动，嗯，我，我其实知道这一点，我只是想说，我喜欢 BBC。[音乐] 我确实觉得这很好笑，嗯，我，我想，我的意思是，说实话，如果看、听这场采访，对于错误信息的回答是说，哦，我们不会以同样的方式监管错误信息，但随着我们努力实现这一点，因为我们试图清除机器人账号，我们在应对机器人账号方面会很有效，我们实际上，平台上的错误信息其实更少了。不，我认为那是一个很大的因素。我想很多正在听这个的人，我敢肯定，真的，你，你是在主张，可以大幅减少内容审核，却最终减少错误信息，怎么，怎么做到的？

首先，我们确实有，我们确实有，呃，你知道，从事合约、合约审核工作的人，并不是我们没有，嗯。所以，呃，我和很多已经、已经被解雇的人谈过。所以很多，很多人被裁掉了。我的意思是，你们已经从8，是的，审查局被裁掉了，嗯，我不认为那种把手指压在政治天平上、偏向极左的做法已经被摒弃，因为那不对，那不是公共、公共广场应该有的样子，嗯，你知道，你必须平等对待来自，嗯，整个政治光谱的人。所以，嗯，你知道，有件事我们会对此感到不满，嗯，但就像我说的，我的，我的经验是，如今的错误信息更少了，不是更多了，嗯，而且社区注释

功能在处理，呃，所谓的错误信息方面极其强大，嗯。钻石矿，钻石矿，我开采那个，一个你父亲部分拥有的矿，是的。我父亲从未拥有过一只鸟。你想到的是一座祖母绿、祖母绿矿。是的，我想看看这座所谓的祖母绿矿的照片，因为你一直，是的，你知道那件事吗？不知道，但它，他，他从未拥有过一座、一座祖母绿矿。这甚至可能不是一份50牛排。不，因为在社区里，不，首先，好吧，你觉得祖母绿，你觉得类似的东西会有，像是，嗯，你知道，呃，某种财产登记，会有一张它的照片。你不能只是说，哦，那是我的想法，你知道，如果你拥有有价值的东西，这些事情会受到激烈争议，嗯，你，你必须有某种

财产记录，就像房子一样，但，但比房子重要得多，然而根本没有任何财产记录，也完全没有这座矿的照片。它不存在，是假的。所以，那就是，你知道，在那条推文上，它说你在 X 日说过这件事，诸如此类。所以在那个例子中，Keynotes 没起作用。所以你说那是解决错误信息的一种办法，但你实际上是在说其中一条社区注释是错的。它在社区，社区注释可能指的是这样一件事：我，我和父亲去赞比亚旅行过，嗯，但我从未见过任何矿或任何类似的东西。所以没有这种，它，没有矿。我不是，对，但在这一点上，我只是说社区注释说它存在。所以你是说这是这个很大的

伟大的万灵药，但没错，这确实就在你自己的推文上，根据社区注释，你错了，呃，如果如果他们引用的是，嗯，一篇文章，那么那篇文章可能没有错，但有一个共产主义者不会是完美的，但社区注释的击球率，我发现极高，嗯，所以社区下一步再加上每天清除数以百万计的机器人账号，我想那就是那就是我们正在谈论的，是的，那那那就是你认为是在处理这些信息，而不是不是内容审核，我认为我认为，因为我认为这正是很多人会说真的真的？是的，真的，听着，资产测试是人们使用这个系统，并发现它发现它是一个很好的真相来源，或者他们没有，而且没没有系统会

在其，呃，对真相的追求中做到完美，嗯，但我认为我认为我们可以成为最好的、最不，呃，失实的，那就是我们的目标，最不失实，而且我认为我们，我我认为我们可能已经做到了，如果还没有做到，我们很快就会做到，你有没有，我我和一些认为下一步的人谈过，你有没有给那些认为Twitter已经被毁掉的人的某种信息，嗯，我们的使用量创下了历史新高，所以我不认为它被毁掉了，是的，嗯，他们很可能就是那些预测Twitter会不复存在的人，而他们的预测已经被证明是错误的，我知道我不会问你它是否已被毁掉，因为显然没有，我认为它很棒，好太多了，好吧，[音乐]谢谢，外国的[音乐]

why did you agree to do this this interview with the BBC um I don't know I like sponge and easy and uh I don't know there's a lot going on and it seems like I I actually um do have a lot of respect for the BBC um although sometimes forget what the PVC stands for you know but uh [Laughter] you know what it stands for yes I do um so um yeah yeah so there's there's a lot going on um so this might be a good opportunity to uh answer some questions and um you know I guess uh maybe get some feedback too um what should we be doing different um I know the BBC for example is not thrilled about being levels uh state of related media not exactly I mean I was going to get to that later but let's go for it now it's officially objected to that term do you want to respond

to it uh yeah yeah so we're I mean our goal is simply to have um you know to be as uh truthful and accurate as possible so um I think there's uh I think we're we're adjusting but labeled to be publicly funded which I think is perhaps a not too objectionable we're trying to be accurate uh I'm not the BBC but publicly funded is how the BBC describes it's okay okay so that would be after itself so if we use the same words that the BBC uses to describe itself that presumably would be okay I'm not asking you for a yes or no since you're not running BBC per se or there's probably it seems to pass a reasonable reasonably so you're going to change those labels on the BBC Twitter feed yeah and also npls as well yeah yeah all right publicly funded good basically

that's we're trying to get accurate as possible okay yeah all right fine um first of all I just want to clear something up are you sleeping in the office here I sometimes sleep in the office like in the library five days a week no no three days a week I'm not here five days a week um but uh there's a library that nobody goes to uh on the uh seventh floor and uh there's a couch there and I have some I stick there sometimes okay okay um in terms of the general overview the reason why I think we've agreed to do this is because he wanted to talk about the first six months as chief executive owner of Twitter um yeah it's kind of like whatever you want to talk about you know right so how do you think it's gone well it's not been boring it's been quite a roller

coaster so um I mean things are going I think you know reasonably well I mean we're we're seeing some all-time highs in terms of total user time so uh we we passed uh 8 billion user minutes per day which is a lot of user minutes um so um yeah that's so usage is out uh growth is good uh beside works mostly a few glitches here and there but uh the site is is working fairly well um and we're doing it with a small fraction of the original you know head count so I mean you mentioned outages there there have been several and we've actually spoken to an engineer who works at Twitter and they said that the plumbing is broken here and it's on fire and there could be problems at any minute do you do you accept that I mean there have been a few outages but uh not

for very long I'm just currently working fine so you don't you don't it doesn't keep you up at night that Twitter might go offline again uh at this point I think we've got a pretty good handle on on what makes Twitter work um and we're also doing it with uh uh two data centers instead of three so we used to run have three data centers uh we shut down one of them so we're actually two-thirds of the roughly two-thirds of the prior compute capability uh but we've made so many improvements to the uh core algorithm in some cases we improved the core algorithm by 80 so the actual CPU usage or computer usage is dramatically less so all right but there's also speak for themselves uh the system despite being at all time highs of usage is fast it's responsive it's

more responsive than it was before before the Takeover and we've also added long form tweets we've added uh you can now post videos after two hours and soon videos of any length um we're we're rolling out our subscriber programs so so people can content creators can actually make a living on Twitter by having some of their content behind a paywall um and um we're open source the algorithm so there's transparency about what tweets get shown what you know what what content gets shown versus not um I think you say like what are you really going to trust are you going to trust some sort of Black Box algorithm from some other site or you're going to trust the thing that you can actually see and understand but you do you accept that there are lots of Engineers

that are looking at at the way that Twitter is built and the lack of Engineers because so many have have left and are worried about the health of Twitter well I mean they've been um many of these people have predicted that Twitter will cease to function their predictions have not turned out to be true you know insert Mark Twain you know saying yeah rules about death are greatly exaggerated um let's go back six months I mean we're literally on Twitter right now right so it must work let's go back six months and even further further back than that when you put that initial bid in you then have a wobble you kind of said I actually don't want to buy Twitter anymore oh no I mean I mean it really is quite entertaining I mean it's like soap opera uh because

when I first made the offer uh the response was the the bordered after a poison pill so they were like hell no you can't buy Twitter we'd rather die we're like chew on cyanide before being being bought that was their initial response and then you said actually I don't want to buy it yes and then and and then they said no you must buy us gun to the head you have to buy us I'm like are you the same people who said you'd rather die than than I'd be bored doesn't that seem odd so I guess my question to you is in terms of you said that you said that the reason was because of Boss because Twitter was filled with Bots look at it now was there a little bit of you that thought actually maybe I've overpaid actually maybe I don't want to do this I want to get out

of this be honest yeah no no the the problem was that the um publicly stated user numbers were in excess of the real user numbers uh so um I've heard you talk about that yes yes basically looking back at it now was that the only reason that you wanted to put out yes that was literally the issue it's like it's like let's say you um uh buy a warehouse full of goods and you're told that uh less than five percent of the goods in the warehouse are uh have have are broken you know um but then you actually get to where you look into the warehouse and turns out actually 25 of the things broken you'll be like huh that's uh that's not what you said so then you change your mind again and decided to buy it I had to because you thought that a court would make you

do that yes right yes that is the reason right so you were still trying to get out of it and then you just were advised by lawyers look we're gonna buy this yes really really no I mean like like let's say like I think analogy is pretty pretty close like let's say you know it's like you there's a warehouse four Goods uh they say the warehouse uh less than five percent of what's in the warehouse so it's broken and then you look at you you walk into a warehouse you say actually it's 25 so you you might still want to buy what's the in that warehouse but probably at a lower price not buying the stuff that's broken I didn't have an epiphany you just thought I'm gonna because I'm gonna have to buy this I might as well buy the bullet yeah so then you walk super

complicated right right I'm not sure you've said that before Oh fair enough um so then you you came into two acute whole bunch of court cases you said this in the BBC area so you then came into Twitter with a sink what were your first impressions well I thought wow this is a really nice office building uh and uh expensive yes a very expensive office building um great decor it's lovely place um and um I mean and definitely is spending money like it's going out of fashion which is it isn't quite going out of fashion yet um so the gravity of the situation is perhaps uh not well understood of um at you know at the point where the company the transaction closed uh Twitter was tracking to uh lose uh over three billion dollars a year so uh and had one billion

in the bank so that's four months to death so this is your starting position how would you feel pretty pretty intense you know they also had to borrow quite a lot of money and pay interest on that too well that's why I put away it was a three billion dollar uh run rate so um in rough numbers a normal year Twitter would do your say let's say four and a half billion in Revenue four and a half billion dollars in cost um I mean it was really kind of like a non-profit they'd run it at roughly roughly break even now that's not bankruptcy oh it's breaking even but but then then the issue is that um if you then add a billion and a half dollars in debt Servicing um and have a massive drop in Revenue which we did um which was partly cyclic and partly you know political

concerns or whatever um so Revenue you know call it dropped by over a third it's not and this is not just Twitter uh you know Facebook and Google have also seen some significant advertising Revenue to clients it was it was a little it's been a little higher Twitter but most of the advertisers are coming back so I think we'll just we'll be back where there's a cyclic demand drop which is still pretty significant um rough numbers a revenue dropped from four and a half billion to three um uh and um expenses went from four and a half to six creating a three billion dollar negative cash flow situation and Twitter having a billion dollars in the bank that's four months to live so unless drastic action was taken immediately this company is going to die let's

talk about that drastic action because almost immediately um you sacked a lot of Twitter workers um yeah and I I spoke to them it was very easy to speak to them uh when it happened and and the way they said pretty much everyone said is that it felt quite haphazard it was it felt a little bit uncaring I wouldn't say uncare the the the the you know the issue is like uh the companies are gonna go bankrupt um or if we do not cut costs immediately um this is not a caring uncaring situation it's like if All Ships sinks so nobody's gonna drive right yeah but a lot of people just lost their jobs like that um and and they went I didn't even know they would they'd lost their jobs often they just let me ask you their accounts what would you do well you might want

to give someone some notice I mean you might it's by the way I'm not running Twitter but no no but this is the criticism and this is the actual this is a little bit of notice uh you know no I understand if you're four months to live 120 days and 120 days you're dead so how so what do you want to do how much are you worth I don't know but I mean we're talking about around the 200 billion dollar Mark I mean it's not quite you're framing it in in a way that that you know that it had had a few months to live you're quite a rich man um I saw a lot of Tesla stock to close this deal I did not want to sell the Tesla star okay um do you have any regrets on the way that some of the staff were let go uh I mean people were given you know three months of server in

some cases more so um but you know we're like I said the companies need to be run on their own cognizance uh and uh it's it's not it's not so easy for me to sell stock as people might think I have to sell stock during certain periods I can't sell stock during other periods um so there's only they're only brief Windows where I can't sell Tesla stock and then this is often taken as some lack of faith in Tesla and in fact the the Tesla stock sales course the Tesla stock to plummet uh which is not good do you think those two were connected well that that people can couldn't parture the difference between I'm selling Tesla stock because I've lost faith in Tesla which I haven't or that it's desperately needed for Twitter um okay and then after that after um

you um let go of a lot of stuff obviously switch Twitter came slim down a lot and then he started making some more policy decisions one of those policy decisions was to bring Donald Trump back he hasn't actually tweeted yet right do you expect him to come back at any point like have you spoken to him I haven't spoke to him but the point is that Twitter should be uh a Town Square that or that is uh gives uh equal voice to you know the whole country and ideally the whole world um it should not be a partisan politics uh you know and and the more of a pause and politics that are on the very far left of the spectrum San Francisco Berkeley politics normally is quite Niche um but if Twitter effectively acted as a megaphone for a very Niche Regional politics

and and megaphone that to the world so if in order for something to serve as a digital Town Square it must uh you know serve all people from all political Persuasions uh provided it's legal um so yeah close to half the country uh voter for Trump I wasn't one of them I voted for Biden um but nonetheless uh you know free speech is meaningless unless you're allow people uh you don't like to say things you don't like otherwise it's relevant um and if at the point of which you lose a free speech it doesn't come back I think the issue some people have is that a lot of people were brought back I mean some people were brought back here were previously banned for spreading things like uh q and on conspiracies you have people like Andrew take who were brought back

who were previously uh banned for things like hate speech do you think you prioritize freedom of speech over misinformation and hate speech well you know who's to say that something something is misinformation um who's the auditor of that is it the BBC and you're literally asking me yes well no you want the Arbiter on Twitter because you own Twitter yes I'm saying who is to say that one person's misinformation is another person's information um the point of which you you said that there is uh this is missing for me like who is this information can be dangerous that it can cause real world harms that it can potentially cause um yeah so the point of traffic is the BBC itself has at times published things that are false do you agree with that as a card I

I I'm quite sure the BBC have uh said things before that turn out to not be true right it is whatever it is 100 Year history I'm questions even if you aspire to be accurate there are times when you you will not be I think underground aspire to be accurate but you accept it has to be a line in terms of hate speech I mean not you're not looking at total 100 unrestricted speech um there's well I mean I generally a monthly opinion that if if uh if you if if the people of a given country are against a certain type of speech they should talk to their elected representatives and pass a law to prevent it so for example you cannot Advocate murdering someone that's illegal in the United States they're everywhere really I suspect so uh so there are limits to speech

um I mean I guess taking your argument to a logical conclusion then do you accept that there's more misinformation on the platform if it's not being policed in the same way I I actually think there's there's less these days because we we've eliminated so many of the Bots which were pushing scams and spam and previously previous management turned a blind eye to to the wife because their bonuses were tied to user growth and if you vote if you're if your conversation is tied to user growth uh well you're not going to look too closely at some of the users that's part of the problem so I think we've got less less information because we've we don't have the block problem that we used to do and we also have given a lot of attention to community notes which corrects

with Community itself corrects misinformation has been very effective um I mean I would only just add that you know we have spoken to people who who have been sacked that used to be in content moderation and and we've spoken to people very recently who are involved in moderation and they just say they just there's not enough people to police this stuff particularly around um particularly around hate speech um in the company show you're talking about I mean you use Twitter right do you see a rise in hate speech I mean just a personal anecdote like what do you do I don't but personally my uh for you I would see I get I get more of that kind of content yeah personally but I'm not going to talk to talk to the rest of for the rest of Twitter you've seen more

hate speech personally I would say I would see more hateful content in that in that content you don't like or or hateful what do you mean to describe a hateful thing yeah you know just content that will solicit a reaction something that may include something that is slightly racist or slightly sexist those kinds of those kinds of things so you think if something is slightly sexist it should be banned no is that what you're saying I'm not saying anything I'm just curious I'm trying to understand what you mean by hateful content I'm asking for specific examples um and if and you just said that if something is slightly sexist that's hateful content does that mean that it should be bad well you've asked me you've asked me whether my feed whether it's got

less or more I'd say it's got slightly more that's why I'm asking for examples can I can you name one example I I honestly don't need I I honestly I can't name a single example I'll tell you why because I don't actually use that for you feed anymore because I just don't particularly like it but you said a lot of people a lot of people are quite similar I I only I need to come on a second you said you've seen more hitful content but you can't name a single example not even one I'm not sure I've used that feed for the last three or four weeks and then how did you see the headboard contact because I've been I've been using I've been using Twitter since you've taken over for the last six months okay so then you must have at some point seen that you're for

you hateful content I'm asking for one example right you can't give a simple one and and I'm saying I I say so that you don't know what you're talking about really yes because you can't be a single example of hateful content not even one tweet and yet you're claimed that the hateful content was high well that's a false no what I could just lied what no no what I claim was uh there are many uh organizations that say that that kind of information is on the rise now whether whether it has maybe one example I mean right and literally someone like this the Strategic dialogue uh Institute in the U in the UK they will say that so people will say all sorts of nonsense I'm literally asking for a single example and you can't name one right and as I already said

I don't use that feed but how would you know I don't think this is getting anything you literally said you experienced more hateful content and then couldn't name a single example right and as I said that's absurd I haven't I haven't actually looked at that feeder then how would you know this beautiful content because I'm saying that's what I saw a few weeks ago I can't give you an exact example let's move on we have we only have a certain amount of time um well covert misinformation you've changed the code with misinformation has BBC changes coveredness information the BBC does not set the rules on Twitter so I'm asking you no I'm talking about what the BBC's misinformation about covet I'm I'm just asking you about you change the labels the covert misinformation

labels there used to be a policy and then it then disappeared why do that covert is no longer an issue does the BBC uh hold itself at all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and side effects of vaccinations and not reporting on that at all and what about the fact that the BBC was put under pressure by the British government to change the editorial policy are you aware of that this is a this is not an interview about the BBC oh you thought it wasn't and I see now lived on Twitter spaces I am not a representative of the BBC's editorial policy I want to make that clear let's talk about something else all right let's let's talk about let's talk about something else you weren't expecting that let's talk about something else Narendra Modi the BBC

did a documentary um about Narendra Modi and his leadership during the riots and Gujarat um we then believe that some of those some of that content was taken off Twitter was that at the behest of the Indian government I'm not aware of that particular situation so you're just you're not sure I I don't know if I don't know about that that you know what exactly happened with some content situation in India that there was an idea for for what uh can appear on social media are quite strict and we can't go beyond the laws of a country but do you get the if you do that you incentivize countries around the world to Simply pass more Draconian laws no uh look what if we have a choice of either our people go to prison uh or we comply with the laws we will comply

with the laws the same goes for the BBC okay okay um since you uh became CEO there's been another story in town is that all right I'm not CEO anymore okay you're a chief sweat or what are you no my dog Floki is the secret okay um he's taken over I I saw that yeah um okay so so Tech talk has also been in the news there's talk of you have to buy the administration wanting to potentially ban it or or force a sale what what's your view of the situation I don't really use tick tock um I mean one of the reasons that I emphasize that the uh I thought our goal here at Twitter is to maximize uh unregretted user minutes or unregarded user time is that I hear many people tell me they spent a lot of time on Tick Tock but they regret the time spent and that seems

like okay well we don't want to have regretted time we want the time to be unregretted where you learned things you were entertained amused um I mean frankly I I you know I I get to more uh laughs out of Twitter than anything else and many people tell me the same thing so that's a good sign for for tick tock itself like I said I just don't know enough about what's going on there um I can't say I have a strong opinion on tick tock so you have an opinion on whether it should be banned or not you know I'm generally against Banning things um so I I probably not be in favor I mean it would it would help Twitter I suppose if Tick Tock was banned uh because then people would spend more time on Twitter unless I'm a tick tock but even though that would be that

even if it would have helped Twitter I would be generally against a Banning of of things okay um do you feel sometimes that your many business interests might get in the way of you having opinion I mean for example Tesla has major Connections in China do you you wouldn't you wouldn't have a you wouldn't have a certain opinion on something or feel uncomfortable about saying something because of your other business interests elsewhere do I look uncomfortable actually I realized I look very comfortable um uh yeah I mean Tesla has got activities around the world and so does SpaceX um you know once in a while those things do come into conflict um but it's not like Twitter's like uh you know operates in China doesn't it was bad in China so um and certainly

I've received no no communication whatsoever from the Chinese government with regard to Twitter okay um in terms of advertising obviously the Twitter is not a private company anymore so we don't really know how it's how it's all going have all the advertisers come back uh not all but most and you can see it for yourself on Twitter even in the before you feed right I mean I'm sorry in the following actually don't use for you because it sucks rightly filled with hate speech I'm told um that's not what I said okay well why don't you use for you what's wrong with it um how is it going is twittering profit now no Twitter is uh uh rough I'd say we're roughly break even at this point and I think you've said before you you see a you see a world where you could

be in profit is there a timeline on that do you think I mean depending on how things go if current trends continue I think we could be profitable or okay to be more precise we could be cash flow positive uh this quarter if things keep going well this quarter as soon as that I possibly yeah wow um and do you have a message for the advertising I mean can you say which advertisers haven't come back um I think I think almost all of them have either come back or said they're going to come back there are very few exceptions can you say any of the exceptions um I actually don't know of anyone who said definitively they're not coming back they're all sort of training towards coming back but there are some that just can't jump in the water's warm it's great that's

your message to the to the advertisers they haven't come back yeah I mean look uh you know if if if Disney feels comfortable um advertising you know children's movies and apple feels comfortable advertising iPhones those are good indicators that Twitter is um a good place to advertise um I want to talk about if you have any regret regrets and and you know I think you were Buddha Dave Chappelle concert I think your own lawyer a little a little well some say a little some say a bit more um I think your own lawyer said you couldn't get a fair trial in San Francisco because there are lots of people that don't necessarily like you here yeah but you know I have to say it I was wrong he was wrong I guess the uh because I was acquitted uh by the San Francisco

jury unanimously so yeah but I guess but look do you have any regrets about buying Twitter um I think it was something that needed to be done um difficult you know I'd say that like the the pain level of Twitter has been extremely high um this hasn't been some sort of party um so uh it's been really quite a stressful situation uh you know over the last several months not not an easy one I I'm a bit apart from the pain I mean so it's been quite painful um but I think uh at the end of the day it should have been done I think it's not where the many mistakes made along the way of course you know um and uh but you know all's well it ends well and so I I feel like we're headed to a good place um you know where roughly break even I think we're trending towards

being kind of flow positive very soon like literally in a matter of of months um the advertisers are returning um the I think the quality of recommended tweets has improved significantly and we've taken a lot of feedback from uh people that have looked at the open source recommendation algorithm and we've we've made a lot of improvements even even since that was made open source and we're going to keep doing that so overall I think the trend is very good so you know I mean it was actually something I was going to ask you you mentioned the pain but you actually tweeted uh I think in February you said the last three months have been extremely tough I wouldn't wish that pain on anyone okay are you talking emotionally there I mean can you can you explain

oh there wasn't started or anything right right like some people around Europe says dangerous neck of the woods were in it is it can be but just can you just talk me through the emotional strain of this yeah I mean look I'm under I've been under constant attack I mean uh it's not like I you know have a stone cold heart or something like that you know uh if if you're under constant criticism attack it's and then that that gets fed to you non-stop including through Twitter um that uh it's rough you know um not at the end of the day I kind of think that like if you do lose your feedback loop that's that's actually not good um so uh you know if so I think it's it is actually important to get negative feedback um I don't turn replies off and I actually got

rid of I removed my entire block list so I don't block anyone either um so so somebody can you know so I get like a lot of negative feedback um but I think it's actually good to get negative feedback right when you talk about the the emotional strain you've gone back to feedback is that the thing that's been most difficult to take the sort of negative feedback yeah I mean if if uh if the media is writing non-stop stories about why you're a horrible person I mean it's you know um it's uh hurtful obviously I I I've written down a lot of these questions but but I haven't written this one down but it's interesting it feels like you have quite a kind of interesting relationship with the media because in one in some ways you're quite skeptical quite critical

certainly of established media but also you kind of get hurt by what the media writes and um did you get your news still from the BBC as you've already said I literally followed abuse right right Etc so do you feel you have a kind of a kind of odd relationship with the media yes and explain no it is somewhat of a love-hate relationship although I mean it might be tilted a bit more towards the head [Laughter] um but uh you know it's uh you know I I think this this is a sort of part and parcel of having a a free media situation which is that um you know I do I do take uh heart again and that the media is actually able to trash me on a regular basis uh in you know in the United States in the UK and whatnot um whereas you know in a lot of other places uh

Vita cannot say uh mean things to powerful people okay but I think it's better that we have a situation where the media can say uh mean things to powerful people if we're talking about the media let's talk about verification enables you obviously want to create another Revenue stream that's subscription based it's verification the way to do that because we have a kind of a situation at the moment where the New York Times doesn't have a verified badge whatever a few few bucks a month yeah can is that can that be right is that what you've envisaged when you bought Twitter I I must confess to some Delight in removing the verified batch from The New York Times that was that was great um anyway they're still alive and well so uh they're they're doing fine

but on a serious note it could flame disinformation again if you have verified accounts that uh are from anyone who can pay money they simply they go up to potentially uh the top of feeds um they get more action on Twitter and uh traditional media that may not pay for uh verification doesn't do you see how that could potentially be a driver of misinformation well I mean I I think the media is a driver of misinformation much more than the media would like to admit that they are um I mean that's a different question yeah um but you are sort of saying like like who who knows best the average citizen or you know uh so someone who who is a journalist um and I think in a lot of cases um it is the average citizen that knows more than than the journalist in fact

I mean very often when I see an article about some uh something that I know a lot about and I read the article it's like that they get a lot wrong um and uh you know sort of the best interpretation is there is someone who doesn't really understand what's going on in industry has only a few facts to play with has to come up with an article not it's going to be you know it's not going to it's not gonna hit the bullseye um uh so so then like generally this is what how expensive if you read an article about something you know about how much of that how accurate is that article now imagine that that is that is how or essentially all articles are they they're an approximation of what's going on but but not in a not an exact uh situation so if somebody is actually

let's say uh in The Fray or like an expert in the field and uh was actually there and then and writes about their experience of being actually there I I think that actually that that that's uh in a lot of cases going to be better than a journalist because the journalist wasn't there I think you said the Legacy verified blue techs are going to go next week uh there have been a few few deadlines before 4 20.

yeah I I see the joke um clearly yeah it costs you a lot of money well fortunately it didn't in the trial well yeah right but they fit it as you say right yes we're going to ask for a refund yeah okay yeah good luck let's move on from that but blue sex in theory all Legacy blue ticks gone gone next week and this is and at that point you'll kind of work out whether this is going to sink or swim yes what's your what's your hatch I mean you've obviously I think it's good yeah yeah it'll swim just fine okay what are you looking for in terms of in terms of a revenue stream on that whatever goals well I I don't know if it's like necessarily a giant Revenue stream um you know because even if you if you have sort of a million uh people that are subscribed for

let's say 100 a year ish that's a hundred million dollars um and uh that's that's a that's a fairly small Revenue stream relative to advertising um but what we're really trying to do here with verification is to massively raise the cost of this information and and bots in general so my prediction is that any social media company that does not uh insist on paid verification will simply be overwhelmed uh by Advanced AI Bots I mean chat gbt is essentially a zillion instances of chat gbt really what you want on the platform do you want big news organizations being overwhelmed by bots so that they have to go the point is that you won't be if you pay but a lot of organizations have already said they're not going to pay like the New York Times well then you

know that's up to them if they you know go make them pay um it's a small amount of money so I don't know what their problem is um so uh but we're going to treat everyone equally so what we're not going to do is say that there's some anointed class of journalists who are the special ones who get to tell everyone what they're what they what they should think that it should be up to the people what they think um and even if an article is completely accurate and um comprehensive and everything if they're still in in writing that article the media is choosing the narrative they're deciding what to write an article about um so I'm hopeful that this can be more a case of the public choosing the narrative as opposed to the media choosing narrative but the media

can choose at least a combination of the media and the public choosing the narrative um and the the public getting to to weigh in on stories if they if they think there's they should add something to it or if we've got something wrong and over time I think if Twitter is the best source of Truth it will succeed and if and if we are not the best source of Truth we will fail someone comes in and offers you 44 billion for Twitter right now would you take it no would you consider it no no why uh well as I take it back it depends on who I suppose if I was confident that they would pursue that would they would rigorously pursue the truth um Then I then I I guess I guess I would be glad to hand it off to someone else I don't care about the money really but I

I I do want to have if some source of truth that I can count on um and and I I hope that's our aspiration with Twitter is to have you know a source of truth that you can count on oh that's that's it's also real time it's an immediate source of truth that you can count on and that gets more accurate with time as people comment on particularly with that well if you don't care about the money you could just give it to someone that you that you think is a good person to run Twitter who do you think that might be I I'm not the boss of Twitter nobody choose well that's you might still have an idea who could run Twitter yes honestly I have no idea who could run Twitter yeah it's a hard job okay let's I mean let's move on to that you've said that you were going

to um Stand Down chief executive right okay I can tell you I'm not the CEO of Twitter my dog is the CEO okay have you got any it's a great dog other than the story alert and it's hard to put get anything by him okay that's good to know other than the dog have you got any success you've got a black a turtle turtleneck or what would you need [Laughter] what were we talking about there uh yeah who would you who would you want have you got a successor in mind not yet hopefully at some point right so because you did say you were going to stand out well I did stand out okay all right let's move on from that then all right what about this office I'm intrigued about this office you've said it was even expensive you're really new yeah yeah why can't we be um in

an awkward or something called this commune I think Jack Dorsey kind of recommended doing that and kind of ignored it yeah it was kind of bad actually hmm um this office are you thinking about moving out of San Francisco uh not yet not yet but yeah no this place is nice and uh we you know I kind of like this obstacle actually yeah okay so you're not because I know you've talked about there's been high levels of crime here you actually said it I think we should do something about the crime right because people are dying right we should take action you've also talked about how potentially I think you might have been joking but you could turn this into a homeless shelter so yeah I guess the reason I'm asking is you know you've you've if we've tried to turn

into a homeless shot in the building The Bullying management was well the owner rejected it you tried it yeah they won't let us we're only using one of the buildings and so the other building could be a homeless shelter and you've tried to yeah we would like to do it right now really yes and no then you're being stopped by who by the building owner they weren't like No in fact they wouldn't even let us take the W off the sign so how are you going to do that really quite quite uh you know what was your what was your plan for the shelter I don't know we could just let people stay there it's nice right okay I I didn't know that they can bring their stuff bring the tent whatever right and it's a roof over their heads yeah it's the wedding owner lets us we'll

do it yeah so if the building only that owner lets you you would you would happily do that yes okay all right there we go um what's the most difficult thing you've had to do what's the hardest thing you've had to do in my whole life in the last six months we're talking about talk about the last six months as you as Twitter boss said Twitter owner um well shutting down uh our one of our service centers was was quite difficult because it turns out there were I thought the service centers were redundant but they were in fact a lot of things that were hard-coded to this one server Center and so when we shut it down we actually uh it was quite catastrophic we lost a lot of functionality which sort of really rushed to put it back when was that when I was around

late December during early January so that was the biggest sort of I'm I'm worried the biggest crisis yeah yeah and what about hard in terms of emotion I mean I mean there's Letting Go I mean what what were the current the levels of stuff and what are they now um I think we're um around 1500 people at this point and there was I think 7 800.

what was it so I think it was around just under eight thousand eight thousand fifteen hundred right now okay and it has it been hard letting up that many people go yeah not fun at all it's painful I mean I guess in in what way do you do you feel like you need to speak to people when they when when they leave or I mean it's not physically possible to speak to that many people has that I mean you talked about that being the most technical bit is that has has that been sort of the hardest thing emotionally or is it it's one of the hardest things certainly yeah yeah um the Nancy Pelosi tweet but there have been that is an example of a film there have been others um do you feel like you're an impulsive person I mean have I shot myself in the foot with tweets

multiple times yes do you feel like I need bulletproof shoes at this point I mean you've definitely done that the issue is that you're now Twitter owner do you feel like you should be look at your tweets more you have more a higher responsibility when you tweet something out for it to be accurate I think I should not tweet uh after 3am that's the new rule yeah something like that okay so there's a blanket ban I should I shouldn't I shouldn't uh what I like your Twitter what are your Twitter rules I mean I've had some people say never tweet when you've been drinking or never tweet when angry what are your Twitter rules well I think those are two good rules yeah don't tweet if you're wasted um and uh or you know really upset about something um yeah probably

uh I mean a good friend of mine um actually had a good suggestion it has helped uh which is that uh if you're gonna tweet something that uh maybe is controversial uh you save it as a draft and look at it the next day and see if you still want to tweeted and that has been a good rule with them okay we've got a bunch of things I'm glad I didn't send um I can't remember whether I've asked you this this is my sort of sort of wrapping up at this point but yeah do you have any regrets uh I mean we're always like hindsight's 2020 so there's you know a bunch of decisions that could have been made better for sure um but um as I said all's well it ends well um and things are going pretty well so uh in the grand scheme of things I I can't complain okay um I'm gonna

just check my my list of things to make sure I've actually I mean it's maybe there's something we've got people on the on the Twitter once you say ask you know we could ask them that's all new that's on you it's this 680 000 people listening there you go that's a lot that is a lot uh let's see how do we see okay let me see who I'll just look at my my tweet and uh see what people are saying or what questions I have um [Laughter] do you like the BBC do you like BBC okay yeah we're not gonna oh I can't interview you said what for the BBC well baby you like do you like BBC I know I see what you're doing I'm not going to respond to that okay I think you can finish the interview if you want to continue thank you very much I really appreciate it you're sure

you like PVC come on um I'm not engaging here all right Elon it honestly has been a pleasure okay talking to you it really has and if you want if you want to carry on answering questions on on on on this then I'm not going to okay well I just wanted to see if there's like any you know good there's a lot of comments here um I can imagine um there's so many anyway so it's it's nice to be interviewed by the BBC I have a lot of respect to the British Broadcasting Corporation um what did you say when the when the actual label is going to go public oh is it um is it do we still say State media whatever oh it says government-funded media currently um as opposed to publicly funded media well I guess probably we can make that change tomorrow if you'd like it's

up to you but I mean you can see we'll expect that tomorrow I mean do you have any requests on a personal level or you can speak on a personal level no I don't okay okay I think we've established that um what what questions are people asking you go on um I mean there's like a lot of comments uh let's see I was literally reading on look at replies to the you know the fact that the space is um are there any good questions that I've missed out in the last in the last six months I'm sure there are many um I mean people generally seem to like this interview for a hotel um for a few negative comments so generally positive is that is that that's probably bad for me [Laughter] see uh I guess there's some complaints about Twitter spaces being needing some improvement

let's fix Twitter spaces as one of the comments um people like the fact that my dog Loki is the CEO um and uh I'm really just scrolling as fast as I can here um I I actually known this I just like to say I like BBC [Music] I do find it funny um I I think I mean honestly if looking listening to the interview the answer about misinformation and saying oh we don't police misinformation in the same way but as we try and get this because we try and take down Bots will be effective at Bots we're actually there's actually less misinformation on the platform no I think that's a big factor a lot of people I think will be listening to this I'm sure really you're you're arguing you can police content moderation far less and end up with less misinformation how how

first of all we do have we do have uh you know people working on contract contract moderation it's not like we don't um so uh I've spoken to lots of people who've been who've been fired so a lot lots of people have been let go I mean you've gone from eight yeah the censorship Bureau was let go um I don't think the the sort of putting a thumb on the political scales in the far left has been let go because that's not right that's not what you want for a public a Public Square um you know you've got to have equal treatment for people from um across the political Spectrum so um you know something we're going to be upset about that um but like I said my my experience is that there's less less misinformation these days not more um and that the community notes

feature is extremely powerful for uh addressing uh so-called misinformation um diamond mine diamond mine I mine the one a mind that your father part owned yeah my father never owned a bird you're thinking of an emerald Emerald Emerald mine yeah I'd like to see a picture of this alleged Emerald mine because you've been yeah did you know that no but it's he he never owned a a emerald mine this is probably not even a 50 steak no because in community no first of all okay do you think Emerald do you think something like would have like um you know uh some sort of property register there'd be like a picture of it it's not like you can say oh that's my mind you know these things are hotly debated if you've got something valuable um you you have to have some

property record like a house but but much more important than a house and yet there is no property record whatsoever there was no picture of this mine whatsoever it doesn't exist it's fake so that's you know on that tweet that says you said this thing on the X day blah blah blah so in that instance the the Keynotes didn't work so you're saying that that's a way of solving misinformation but you're literally saying one of those Community notes is wrong it's in the community community note may be referring to a thing where uh I I went on a trip with my father to Zambia um but I never saw any mine or anything so there's no such it's there's no mine I'm not right but at this point I'm just saying the community note says it is so you're saying it's this big

great Panacea but yeah it's literally on your own tweet the community notes according to you're wrong uh if if they're referencing um an article then the article may not be wrong but there's a communist is not going to be perfect but it's the batting average of community notes I found to be extremely high um so Community next Plus getting rid of millions and millions of bots every day I guess that's that's what we're talking about yeah that that that's what you think is tackling this information over over content moderation I think I think because I think that's the bit that a lot of people will go really really yes really look the asset test is people use the system and find it find it to be a good source of Truth or they don't and no no system is going

to be perfect uh in in its uh pursuit of the truth um but I think I think we can be the best the least uh inaccurate that's our goal the least inaccurate and I think we I I think we might be there already if we're not there we'll be there soon do you have I've I've spoken to people who think next do you have a a kind of message for people who who think that Twitter has been ruined well we have all-time high usage so I don't think it has been yes well they're probably the same people who predicted that Twitter would cease to exist and their predictions have turned out to be false I know I'm not going to ask you whether it's been ruined because obviously no I think it's great it's way better by a lot all right [Music] thank you foreign [Music]