[掌声] 大家好，这[掌声]没关系，非常强烈的信息，你和你其中一个儿子就在这里，所以人口问题对我们来说非常重要，是的，我，我，你知道，我认为这很重要，要一直摄影，稍等一下，抱歉，抱歉，稍等一下，phph 站住[掌声]哪里，太棒了，太棒了，我们能处理，我们能处理，待会儿见，嗯，好吧，好吧，太棒了，嘿，[音乐]各位，好吧，我们真的很兴奋，因为12小时，从 hos 到这里乘盘子要多久？我，我想大约，呃，8、8或9个小时。好的，所以你像第一天早晨一样精神。是的，没错。那么第1个问题是关于人口的，呃，我过去和你谈过这个，我认为这对你非常重要，而且你指出了这一点

你的许多讨论和你的目的都是这个，是吗？是的，我，我想，我，你知道，我真的想强调，生孩子、创造新一代很重要，听起来就是这么简单，如果人们不生孩子，就没有新一代。所以，嗯，所以我，我，我非常、非常强烈地建议，嗯，你知道，我非常支持人类扩张，为世界创造一个光明而激动人心的未来，而且，嗯，但是，但是，但是，人类文明延续的根本是要有人类，听起来就是这么简单而基本。嗯，而且，呃，你知道，每年我都会看，呃，出生率，然后我就觉得，这，这有点令人沮丧，因为，呃，出生率似乎每年都在下降。嗯，而且我，我认为，呃，你知道，也许我的，我的

最大建议，嗯，对领导人、政府领导人，以及，以及，以及对，对普通民众的建议，就是，就是确保生孩子，创造新一代。嗯，而且我认为，为鼓励新一代而能够采取的任何、任何激励措施，让女性生孩子，呃，变得更容易，嗯，并支持孩子，我认为都会，呃，非常明智。嗯，这太根本了，呃，而且，呃，我实在怎么强调都不为过，如果，如果，如果你没有新一代，就没有新一代。嗯，或者按目前的出生率，我认为，可能一代代的，我们的出生率也许是更替水平的一半、一半，而这意味着，3代之后，人口将会是一个，大致、大致是当前规模的某……分之一，3代之后，也许

4代之后，你，人口将会是当前规模的十分之一。所以我，我，我，我总是，嗯，想强调这一点，因为它如此基本而根本，如果，如果，如果出生率至少不能使人口保持不变，那么，呃，一个民族就会，就会，就会消失。嗯，消失，M 先生，消失，消失。我们有大量移民，有人说移民因此很重要。你对此有什么看法？移民正在进入欧洲，也正在从美洲南部进入美国，并从地中海南部进入欧洲。你对此怎么看？嗯，我，我认为人们不能依靠其他国家的移民，事实上，如果你看看，比如，全球人口，嗯，而这

几乎发生在世界各地，它似乎取决于，嗯，一旦一个国家实现工业化，一旦一个国家实现城市化，人口，呃，就会立刻开始下降。嗯，所以人们可以说，比如，嗯，像，像中国根本不可能通过，呃，移民解决其人口问题，因为如果你，你知道，中国目前的发展轨迹可能是每一代失去40%的人口，你知道，那将是7亿、8亿人。嗯，或者7亿，大约7 6 7亿人，这是很多人。基本上，你必须让整个美国每一代移民过去2次，才能仅仅维持中国的人口数量。所以移民，这，移民的数量根本不够。嗯，而且我，我认为，我认为一种文化是有价值的

呃，你知道，而且，而且我们不希望文化，我们不希望日本消失，我们不希望意大利作为一种文化消失，我们不希望法国作为一种文化消失。我认为我们必须拥有、维持各个国家某种合理的文化，呃，认同，否则它们根本就不再是那些国家。嗯，你知道，意大利是，意大利是意大利人民，建筑物还在那里，但是，但是意大利究竟是什么？意大利就是意大利人民。[掌声]所以我，我是说，我只是认为这是一个，而且，而且我，我是以一个非常，嗯，非常，我是一个环保主义者的身份说这话，我，而且我相信要拥有，你知道，为世界建设一个可持续的未来。嗯，我认为，作为个人，在这方面比我做得更多的人非常少

为了通过电动汽车、太阳能以及，呃，电池帮助环境，创造一个可持续能源的未来，因为我们绝对需要一个可持续能源的未来。嗯，[笑声]但是，但是，但是，我认为环保运动有一个方面走得太远了。嗯，真是由你说出来。是的，所以由我来说，你知道，我认为，就做事而言，我客观上是世界领先的环保主义者之一，不，我会这么说，比如我是一个会做事的环保主义者，讲的是行动，不是空谈，我会行动。嗯，所以，所以我觉得，作为，呃，作为一名环保主义者，我可以说，环保主义运动已经走得太远了。嗯，而且，如果，如果你沿着环保主义运动自然延伸的方向走得太远，你就会开始把人类视为

一种坏东西，你开始把人类看作仿佛我们是地球表面的一场瘟疫。嗯，仿佛人类是一种坏东西，事实上，有些人认为，而且，而且明确地说，嗯，事实上，《纽约时报》的头版上有一个人说，地球上有80亿人，如果一个都没有会更好，这很疯狂。确实。嗯，所以你给我讲过一个关于这个的笑话，你有一次给我讲过一个关于牛以及牛的问题的笑话，你记得吗？哦，是的，不用担心牛，牛没问题，牛不会破坏环境，牛没问题。是的，呃，是的，你知道，我们有很多、很多低的欧洲法律，针对，呃，所有与它们一起工作的人，你知道，这对

对我们来说，因为它看起来是个绿色问题，但对我们来说却是一个非常工业性的问题。是的，我认为农业和牛并没有、没有对环境产生任何有意义的影响。是的，请加下划线。我，我，是的，客观上这是真的。所以，所以，如果你说，比如，从环境角度看，就碳而言，真正重要的只有一件事，那就是我们正从地球下方非常深的地方取出，呃，数十亿、最终数万亿吨碳，并把它放入、转移到大气和海洋中。那就是，那实际上是唯一真正重要的事情，就是把，嗯，大量碳从埋藏它的地下取出，通过燃烧把它移入大气。嗯，而且如果你持续这样做足够久，最终就会出现气候变化

现在我认为，气候变化警报在短期内有一点、有些，呃，被夸大了，它在长期内仍然值得关注，但我认为短期内被夸大了。很好。嗯，现在，现在我得，我正试图在这里穿针引线，在，呃，你知道，比如什么是务实的、什么是明智的、什么真正重要、什么不重要之间找到平衡。真正重要的是，从长期来看，在接下来的，呃，几十年里，我们逐步减少从地下移到大气中的多少 M 百万吨和数十亿吨碳，因为我们正在进行某种危险的气候实验。嗯，但是，但是我也不认为，我把它看成一个，一个根本性的文明风险。它，它不会

摧毁地球上的生命，它不会摧毁人类，但是，如果你改变气候，它会，它会在，嗯，数十年里造成，呃，困苦。所以它，它，它，我认为我的，我的，我的信息是，比如，我认为要务实得多，而且，而且我认为，我认为是正确且明智的。嗯，而且我，而且我认为我们不应该，呃，把石油和天然气妖魔化。我认为我们，我们应该说，看，那在短期内显然是必要的。嗯，中期也是如此，而且要实现可持续发展还需要几十年。所以我认为，如果我们只是不过度担心它，呃，寻求逐步拥有一个可持续能源的未来，嗯，那么事情就会这样发展。嗯，所以，但是我认为，一些环保主义运动已经、是导致人们对未来失去希望的部分原因

所以我想我要说的是，我们应该对未来抱有希望，我们应该对未来感到兴奋，而且我们应该建设我们想要的未来。关于，嗯，埃隆，你称它为，嗯，walk mind。是的，你的，是你给那个、那个 Island Walk mind 疾病起的名字。那个病毒是什么？是的，所以，所以它正在来到欧洲，我得提醒你，H。是的，好吧，这不是你们应该从美国进口的东西，请不要进口 W M 病毒，它很糟糕。嗯，所以，我是说，本质上，也许可以这样总结 workm 病毒，它包括制造非常、非常分裂性的，嗯，身份政治。所以它实际上会放大，什么病毒？M 病毒，在我看来，它会放大种族主义，放大，呃，坦率地说，性别歧视以及所有这些“主义”，而它声称做的是相反的事，它，它实际上让人们分裂

并让他们，呃，有点互相憎恨，也让人们憎恨自己。嗯，而且它也反精英任用制，它不是，嗯，你知道，它不以才干为基础。所以你希望，你希望人们凭借自己工作有多努力和才华而成功，而不是因为他们是谁，不论他们是男人、女人，什么，什么，什么种族，或者，你知道，性别，什么的，那些东西全都在制造，这是一场人为制造的，呃，你知道，精神内战。嗯，而且它不是，而且让我，它毫无乐趣，好吗？它就像，它就像 w mind 病毒与乐趣互不相容，那里没有乐趣，没有喜悦，它，它，w 病毒完全是在谴责人们，而不是赞美人们。嗯，你知道，比如当在工作中，它就是不赞美，它完全是在谴责、制造分裂，而且，而且是

呃，只是，我认为坦率地说它就是邪恶。真的吗？是的，是的，它很糟糕。太糟糕了。是的，但你在你的社交平台 Exel 上这样说，有没有遇到很多问题？你有这种观点，你是奥巴马政府的好朋友，而现在他们因为你在公开场合发表的这种言论而不太喜欢你了，是不是？我不知道，我，我是说，我，我只是，嗯，我非常，我非常支持人类，我非常支持文明。我，我支持，呃，人类，嗯，以及我们的集体意识在地球上扩展并超越地球。嗯，成为一个多行星文明，置身于群星之间，弄清宇宙的本质，比如所有那些，你知道，这对我来说似乎是一件，嗯，你知道，令人兴奋的事，一件你真的可以为之兴奋的事

就是，就是你要感到兴奋，比如我们想要拥有让你期待早晨醒来、期待这一天、期待未来的想法。而且，你知道，所以，所以你必须说，未来有什么让你兴奋，未来有什么打动你的心，是什么让你说，比如，是的，我为未来将发生的事感到高兴。那就是我们必须，你知道，关注的，而且那，那就是为什么我们必须拥有新一代，我们必须建设，我们必须成长，而且，而且，呃，就像我说的，我们要理解这一点，理解我们置身其中的这个美丽宇宙的，这个，这个，这个本质，以及生命的意义，甚至关于，你知道，生命意义应该提出什么问题。嗯，让我们探索这个奇妙的造物，而且，而且玩得开心

这么做，是的，那就是我的理念。让我，让我稍微回到前面一点，因为我想问问您如何看待作为一个构造体、而不是作为人民的欧洲，因为欧洲做了很多的 L，想要让文化、不同文化实现大量融合，而且对移民有不同的处理方式。我们听说梅洛内在这方面做了很多，还有阿尔巴尼亚的拉姆总理，我看到他坐在第一排。您怎么看欧洲的这种方式，作为一个构造体的方式，我会说，作为一个建制……嗯，我，我应该说，比如，为了明确说明对移民的总体看法，我，我非常支持合法移民。我认为，嗯，总体而言，我认为一个国家应该欢迎任何愿意努力工作、诚实，你知道，品行高度正直并且会为……增添……的人

你知道，任何一个特定国家，如果某个人是这个国家的财富，为什么不让他们加入呢？这显然是一件很棒的事。嗯，所以我认为，实际上增加合法移民是好事，而且让合法程序简单，有文件，有，是的，只要有某种审批流程。嗯，但只设一个简单要求：听着，如果某个人会为一个国家作出贡献，嗯，比如真的非常勤奋，而且品行高度正直，那就让他们进来。我觉得这很好。嗯，但如果这是非法移民，而且没有筛选，那么你怎么知道来的是谁？你不知道。所以你，你必须有某种，你知道，嗯，依据来判断某个人应该进来还是不应该进来。而而而而我的论点是，比如它应该基于一个非常简单的依据：他们会不会，会不会……

他们会为这个国家作出贡献吗？他们会成为经济中富有生产力的一部分吗？还有，嗯，他们欣赏这种文化吗？他们想因为这种文化而加入吗？呃，那么这就很好。嗯，但如果，你知道，如果没有这样的流程，那么你就不知道。我认为，你知道，进来的人当中至少有一部分并不一定会，呃，我想谨慎措辞，因为我的话会被曲解。我不是说所有非法移民都都都都很坏，我认为很可能，也许他们大多数是好人，但，但如果完全没有任何审查流程，那么其中就会有一些人，你怎么能说每一个非法移民都会诚实和勤奋呢？你不能这么说，因为你根本不知道。嗯，所以，所以我想明确说明，首要……

立场是支持移民，但，但让我们增加合法移民，可是，可是我们应该制止非法移民。我认为这只是合乎逻辑。你，你有很多公司，所以抱歉，您可以喝点东西，因为我想列一下您拥有的公司，得用 5、7 分钟。我是说我在开玩笑，SpaceX、X、N Link，这么多 X，全是 X。猜猜我最喜欢哪个字母。好的，我猜是 X。意大利是个适合投资的地方吗？它是个适合投入一些，我是说不是您的钱，而是您的公司、美国公司、我会说有竞争力的公司的一些投资的好地方吗？您对此有何看法？不，我是说，我认为意大利是一个不可思议的国家，有不可思议的文化。我喜欢，我喜欢来这里，我喜欢意大利人民。我觉得你们……

比索亚还了不起。所以，嗯，所以我，我，我，我想，我，你知道，就我个人而言，我想，我想要，其实我想要意塔的繁荣，而且我希望每个国家都繁荣。嗯，我希望全人类整体繁荣。而且，而且就像我说的，我希望我们拥有一个令人振奋的，呃，未来，让我们对即将发生的事情满怀热情，真正感到兴奋。所以，呃，你知道，而且，而且我认为，嗯，你知道，意大利是一个很适合投资的地方，它是一个很棒的，呃，你知道，很棒的国家。嗯，而且，呃，但是，但是我，我确实想强调，我，我确实担心，担心低出生率。而且，你知道，如果，如果一家公司要在意大利投资，他们会想，好吧，你就必须问，比如会有足够的人在那里工作吗？你知道，这是个简单的问题。你知道，如果，如果，如果劳动力……

正在减少，那么如果劳动力正在减少，那么，那么到时候，谁会在公司工作？如果没有人，就是没有人工作。是的，但我是说在 5050 年、60……不，不，我认为甚至会比那更早。不过，你知道，您如此担心这件事，这就是问题。我，我感觉自己完全像个卡珊德拉，嗯，因为，比如我似乎比其他人担心得多。嗯，但你知道，只是，呃，必须要有人。如果你们不创造新一代人，就不会有新一代人。所以就是这样。我，我知道我，我，我有点，你知道，在重复。嗯，但是，嗯，我只是，我只是在努力陈述，陈述事实，你知道。所以，而且，呃，是的，所以这是个适合投资的地方。我不，我同意这是个适合投资的地方。嗯，而且，呃，一个很棒的……

国家。所以，嗯，我想说的是，请多生些塔利安人。您曾经说过，互联网是，是系统，是 N……我，我，我记下了您的原话，人类的神经系统。它是什么，您曾经对我这么说，而智能对您来说是什么？抱歉，人……人工，如果那是神经系统，那么因内尔人工智能是什么？我是说，请用另一个比喻。呃，您问我对人工智能有什么看法。嗯，显然，你可以把人工智能看作，嗯，这也许是，你知道，自智人以来智能领域最大的转折点。嗯，是的，是的，是的。嗯，人工智能将会，本质上算是一个，一个新物种，或者说已经是一个新物种。嗯，所以我认为最大的挑战之一是，如果，如果我看，比如文明层面的……

风险，嗯，你知道，对人类未来的风险，嗯，你知道，出生率就是其中之一。如果我们就是不生孩子，然后逐渐消亡，嗯，那就是一个，我已经谈了很多。另一个是，呃，你知道，始终还存在，比如潜在的核战争，当然，还有那类事情。嗯，呃，然后 AI 也是一种生存风险，而我们需要，嗯，我认为随着 AI 的到来，我们需要谨慎。嗯，它，但它在很大程度上，它，它在很大程度上是一把双刃剑。你可以把 AI 想成有点像魔法精灵，你知道，数字超级智能将能够做任何事，任何事，几乎任何事。但它没有任何意识。我，我对此感到疑惑。我的意思是，这还牵涉一个完整的问题，比如意识到底是什么，事实上……

所以是这样，比如我一直，我对意识是什么、意识从哪里产生思考了很多。嗯，你知道，可以这么说，比如因为我，我从物理学的角度思考，你知道。嗯，至少如果物理学是真实的，那么我们从宇宙中几乎完全是氢的一侧开始，然后如果你把氢放在那里足够久，它最终会凝聚成恒星，随后那些恒星爆炸，然后它们再次，再次凝聚。嗯，你知道，所以，所以你身体里的大，大部分质量都曾经位于一颗恒星的中心，这有点疯狂，是数十亿年前的事。所以，所以从氢到人类的这条路径上，意识是在哪里产生的？您谈到这件事时变得非常严肃。是的，这是个真实的问题。如果你把氢放在……

太阳里足够久，它，它就开始自言自语。我们就在这里，是氢在对自己说话。该如何应对这件事？所以，如果它如此重要，该如何应对？我是说，法律，嗯，个人行为，如何应对人工智能，因为它是一个过程。我的意思是，我认为我们需要密切，密切关注人工智能。嗯，我是说，我支持某种监管层面的洞察，呃，只是为了至少能有人，嗯，充当裁判。比如，如果你想想任何比赛，比如一场比赛总会有裁判。对于那些影响人民福祉的行业，都有监管机构监督这些行业。任何危险事物都受到，呃，某种裁判或监管者的监督。嗯，我认为我们应该对 AI 采取同样的做法。嗯，只是……

为了，为了帮助确保它是有益的。嗯，AI 的好处在于，我们正走向一个物质丰裕的未来。嗯，所以 AI 和机器人技术将意味着商品和服务不会短缺。你，会有商品和服务，如果你能想到它，你基本上就能拥有它。所以这是，呃，相当深刻的。就像我说的，它是魔法 G。嗯，AI，AI 和机器人技术会让你得到任何想要的东西。嗯，现在，通常在这类关于魔法精灵的童话中，结果都不会太好。嗯，你必须谨慎许愿，即使你许下的是或愿望。嗯，[音乐] 所以这只是我们应该谨慎对待的事情。好的。嗯，从好的一面来说，它会带来很多益处。就像我说的，它将开启一个物质丰裕的时代。嗯，所以积极的情景……

是，AI 会带来一个物质丰裕的时代，商品和服务不会短缺，任何存在的稀缺性，都只会是因为我们把它定义为稀缺。所以，而且它，AI 似乎确实在某种程度上不可避免。呃，所以，你知道，据说有那么一句中国谚语，呃，愿你生活在有趣的时代。好吧，我认为我们目前正生活在整个历史上最有趣的时代，就在当下。嗯，所以无论如何，我对 AI 的建议是，我认为我们需要某种监管监督，只是为了确保，嗯，确保它是有益的 AI。很好，我们希望如此。那么政府呢，比如，嗯，我是说，他们是由人民选出来的，比如梅洛尼和这个政府以及其他政府，他们面临什么风险吗？或者您怎么看……

这些对各国行政部门的挑战，涉及所有这些新的 U 流程？抱歉，我不确定自己理解这个问题。政府在这种人工智能方面有什么……？有没有什么风险？我是说，民主会终结吗？嗯，我，我认为人工智能当然存在影响投票意见，我想，以及操纵公众舆论的风险。嗯，所以我认为，确实存在一些风险，是的，AI，嗯，在公众当中，我认为那就是，那就是这方面的。嗯，所以，是的。嗯，好的，你知道，但我认为可能，就像，就像我说的，AI 有益的概率是 80%，有害的概率是 20%。好的，大概如此。我，我，我总是担心，因为，你知道，我们有一个新政府，这 2 年里，这个政府快 2 年了，而我们有一个欧洲，对我们来说……

就是我们的人工智能。它看起来像人工智能，但有时候欧洲并不是很聪明。所以我想知道，您怎么看政府，怎么看欧洲？对我们来说，这种关系以及理解人工智能和未来非常重要，但在当下，我们有法律，呃，你知道，还有来自欧洲的约束。您怎么看这件事？如果您对此有任何看法，您怎么看意大利政府，它正试图拥有一个立场，我会说，一个立场。马尼，我不知道是不是不只一个立场。您想让我比立场更强硬一些吗？没关系。您怎么看？在欧洲有一个立场是件好事吗？就是，呃，我会说，不同于欧洲政治主流路线……

嗯，您的意思是，您的意思是像国家决策与欧盟决策的对比吗？或者有关绿色、有关政治、移民的决策？哦，我是说，还有另一个单独的问题，比如我认为欧洲的法规，嗯，总体而言法规太多了。我不是在谈 AI 的具体案例。我，我认为可以把这看作一个稳定文明整体上的基本机能。任何特定文明保持稳定且没有发生一场大战的时间越长，随着时间的推移，积累的规章制度就越多。所以规章、条例、法律是不朽的，它们永远不会死。但是人会死。所以如果每年，嗯，增加越来越多的规章、条例和法律，呃，你，你最终会让一切都变成违法。嗯，你可以把它想成……

有点像《加拉游记》，其中加利瓦，如果，如果这个国家就是加利瓦，它一次被一根监管细线束缚住，最终你会有数百万根细线，然后这个巨人就动不了了。所以，而且我认为需要有，呃，某种机制，让我们，呃，删除规章、条例和法律。嗯，因为如果我们继续，如果我们只是不断增加它们，我们最终将什么都做不了。好的。我，我该不该问几个关于您公司的问题？因为这里有所有这些年轻人，不只是年轻人，他们来自意大利重要的，重要的政党，而且他们中的大，大多数都使用社交网络，他们使用 X。而我，我，我前几天看到迪士尼的 CEO 说，我不想在 X 上投入任何广告，而他正在投资，例如……

在 Instagram 的 Meta 那里，他说存在一些问题，我不知道他们在接下来的比较中发现了哪种问题，我想要儿童剥削，对，是的，发生了什么，为什么为什么像 Disney 这样的进口投资者会对 X 说那么严厉的话，那里发生了什么，好吧，我认为首先，我认为 X 会没事的，嗯，而且，嗯，我们实际上已经看到，嗯，广告商重返，好的，重返 X，嗯，所以我猜他们是，我不知道，对我说的某些话或某件事感到不满，我不知道，嗯，但是，嗯，他们，你知道，广告商，我认为品牌广告商有点，他们总是担心自己的品牌，而且，嗯，你知道，也许我认为也许有点过于担心了，嗯，但我认为这是一个短期问题，嗯，就像我说的，广告商

有时会不高兴，但随后他们通常会冷静下来，然后重新投放广告，所以，嗯，拜托，你知道井上方有行走病毒，哦，是的，我得说，我不想替你回答，是的，是的，不，不，你说得对，你说得对，如果如果我们要对抗工作思想病毒，那么工作思想病毒就会反击，而不幸的是，Disney 已经深度感染了工作思想病毒。事实上，如果你问一个 AI，地球上最工作的公司是哪家，那就是 Disney，你知道，但是，而且，而且你得说，我会是什么意思，我认为他们应该问问自己，Walt Disney 会怎么看待今天的 Disney，我想他正在他的……里翻身，我想他并不高兴，当然，当然，你知道，如果公司的同名者不高兴，那可能是一个坏

兆头，你知道，因为 Walt Disney，他关心什么，他关心的是给人们的生活带来欢乐，他……你知道，嗯，制作孩子和家庭都能享受的美好事物，嗯，而且，呃，你知道，它创造了一些世界上最酷的，嗯，呃，你知道，艺术，而且即使在创作出来 100 年后，我们仍然记得它，它仍然，它仍然是一件大事，你得说 Walt Disney 有多伟大，那太不可思议了，嗯，但现在 Disney，至少现在这个时候，已经深度感染了工作姆病毒，我认为那会，你知道，那会逐渐改变，是的，哦，我希望如此，他说得对，欧盟委员会，他们没有在 X 上投资，你知道，也许那里有一点，他们也感染了工作思想病毒，是的，你不在乎，我，我，我想是这样，你知道

而且，而且，而且，就像，他们为什么要从美国引进这个，这个疯狂的东西，你知道，就像，这不过是基本上由美国大学里某种极左疯狂人士创造的某种东西，而现在它正在传播到全世界，嗯，而且它，它就像你，你知道，问题在于工作迈夫病毒，它不是欢乐的信息，它是，它是分裂的信息，当然，它不是爱的信息，它是仇恨的信、信息，而我就像，所以我就想，我，我就像，像，你知道，让我们，呃，我不知道，我支持的是，比如，让我们拥有一个有更多爱、更多喜欢、更多的未来，而我，让我们建设一个有趣、令人兴奋的未来，而且，而且工作思想病毒全都是在谴责一个群体，谴责这个，谴责那个，就像，而且，而且，而且，而且它还就像

就是像一个，它就是总想训斥你，并且把你当成一个，你知道，我不知道谁想被训斥，你知道，这不好玩，嗯，所以不管怎样，嗯，我认为我们想要，你知道，有一个，就像，所以我想从根本上说，我担心的是工作比病毒是反文明的，嗯，也是文明的反——文明，我认为文明当然，但如果它给你的公司带来代价，那你知道，你的立场所带来的代价与给公司带来的代价之间存在权衡，你会怎么选择，以及在你的行为中，支持言论自由这件事有多重要，这就是问题。我确实认为言论自由极其重要，因为如果人们不能说出自己的想法，嗯，那么我们，我们就不会有民主。

民主是，民主的基础是自由，言论自由，但也要说出一些东西。[掌声] 所以安德烈亚，安德烈亚·斯特罗听到这里笑了，因为他知道这对你如此重要，但再多跟我谈谈言论自由，因为这里有一位非常重要的人，他无法为很多人发言，因为他们被认为是特立独行者，甚至比这更糟。每个人的言论自由都很重要，而不只是那些说正确事情的人，对吗？完全正确，不，不，完全正确。言论自由意味着，自由，言论自由只有在这种情况下才有意义，言论自由只有当你允许你不喜欢的人说你不喜欢的话时才有意义。所以你就是这样知道它在起作用，你知道，你就是这样知道它在起作用，嗯，因为一旦你开始——

审查，呃，那些说着你不喜欢的话、你不喜欢的人，那种审查最终转向你只是时间问题，你知道，靠剑而活，死于剑下；靠审查而活，死于审查。[掌声] [音乐] [掌声] 是的，你为什么谈到自由，你买下Twitter是为了言论自由，只是为了言论自由，而不是为了其中的业务，你买下——哦，是的，是的，好吧，我的意思是，事情是这样的，所以，嗯，你知道，我认为你得这么说，比如，如果文明不强大，如果文明不发展，嗯，那么其他一切都无关紧要，你知道，如果文明崩溃，先知并不重要，不存在，不存在利润，也没有，你知道，你，我们，我们不，我们无法脱离文明而存在。所以有时人们可能会说，比如，嗯，这是——

一件利他的事吗？我的意思是，我认为对我来说，它感觉是利他的，但即使它，即使一个人并不利他，即使一个人非常，呃，以自我为中心，嗯，你也必须说，如果你只从长远考虑，你就必须支持文明，因为没有文明你就无法存在。好吧，在从0到10的量表上，从0到10，钱有多重要？你是世界上最富有的人，钱对你来说从0到10有多重要？0是最不重要的，而这是，是正确的词吗？我不知道。我不想要，1或2之类的。不，别这样。不，我的意思是，你有1或2，只是，只是1或2。好吧，如果你说，比如，我的意思是，我想我拥有所谓财富的原因，或者说其实只是公司的股份，是因为我创办了这些公司。

你知道，而这些公司，比如SpaceX和Tesla，Tesla在全球直接提供140,000个工作岗位，呃，而我，那个数字的5倍，也许，也许接近100万个工作岗位，如果你看整个供应链，这就是Tesla创造的；然后SpaceX大约有15,000人，而且，你知道，比如算上完整的总供应链，可能有50,000人。所以，你知道，我的意思是，我基本上，在许多才华横溢的人的帮助下，建立了这些公司，然后，所谓的这些，这些财富统计数据，只是把在这些公司的所有权加总起来，然后说，好吧，这是一笔特定数额的钱，但我实际上并没有持有那么多钱，我持有的是股票，我只是，这只是，这只是因为这些公司成功了，嗯，但是上一次，上一次……的发射怎么样——

SpaceX的。跟我讲讲，最后一个问题，拜托，乔万，最后一次发射。我看到马坐在地板上，你为什么坐在地板上？你担心高度吗？[音乐] 马，上一次发射怎么样？那是一次，你对你的SpaceX持乐观态度，那个大的，大的。是的，所以，好吧，好吧，星舰，所以星舰令人兴奋之处在于，它是第一个能够让生命实现多行星化的火箭设计，能够在月球上建立一个自给自足的，嗯，基地，并在火星上建立一座城市，嗯，所以，因为它不只是一种非常庞大的飞行器，而且它被设计为能够完全且快速地重复使用，嗯，所以那将会，嗯，把进入太空的成本降低，我不知道，也许100倍或更多，所以，而且基本上，它是第一种有能力，嗯，建造——

火星基地和月球基地的火箭。是的，那是，那是，那是。[掌声] 是的，所以，你知道，你知道，有那位，那位伟大的意大利物理学家恩里科·FY，我，我非常仰慕FY，而他，呃，他非常善于提出深刻的问题，问题，嗯，他的其中一个问题被称为fmy悖论，就是外星人在哪里，而其中一种解释是，而且也许我认为，我认为看起来最准确的那个解释是，意识极其罕见，它是，你知道，我们，人们经常问我，我是否，我是否知道外星人的事或诸如此类，你知道，我经常被问到这个问题，嗯，而疯狂的是，我完全没见过任何外星人的证据，嗯，这，这意味着，我认为最有可能的是，至少在这个——

银河系，嗯，我们是唯一存在的意识，所以你可以把人类意识想象成浩瀚黑暗中的一支微小蜡烛，而我们必须尽一切所能确保这支蜡烛不会熄灭。很好，我们可以以此结束，我们可以以此结束。好的，我们可以以这个结束。哦，所以，所以，嗯，FY悖论值得一读，因为人们对此进行过非常深入的思考，嗯，因为存在这些……因为其中一件事是，嗯，也许存在这些巨大的过滤器，而这些文明无法通过这些过滤器。其中一个过滤器是，嗯，我们是否会成为一个多重物种。如果我们不成为一个多重物种，那么最终在某个时刻，这颗行星会发生某种事情，要么它会

是，呃，人为造成的，要么会是，呃，某种自然事件，比如一颗流星，例如杀死恐龙的无论什么东西。所以，然后最终太阳实际上会膨胀，并摧毁地球上的所有生命。所以，如果一个人在乎地球上的生命，我们就应该关心成为一个多重物种，并最终走出去，成为一个多恒星物种，拥有许多恒星系统。你知道，我们，我们，我们希望科幻小说中令人兴奋的部分不要永远只是虚构，我们想让它们成为现实，而，嗯，是的。很好，非常感谢你，El。把你的杯子给我，把你的杯子给我，为你

[Applause] hello everyone it's [Applause] okay very strong message you right here with your son one of your son so demographic for us is so important yes I I you know I think this is important to always photography just a moment sorry sorry about that just a moment phph stand [Applause] where Fantastico great we can manage we can manage I'll see you soon H all right all right great well hey [Music] guys all right we're really excited because 12 hour how how long is the trip from hos to Here by plate I I think it's about uh eight eight or nine hours okay so you're fresh like in the first morning yeah exactly so first question is about demography and uh I spoke with you in the past about that and I think it's very important for you and you pointed on that

a lot of your discussion and your purpose is it yeah I I think I you know I really want to emphasize that it's important to have children and to create the new generation and as simple as it sounds if people do not have children there is no new generation so um so I I I very very much strongly recommend that um you know I'm very much in favor of uh Humanity expanding and creating a bright and exciting future for the world and um but but but fundamental to the furtherance of human civilization is having humans as as simple and basic as that sounds um and uh you know every year I look at the uh the birth rates and I'm like it's it's kind of a bit depressing because uh birth rates seem to decline every year um and I I think uh you know that perhaps my my

biggest advice um to leaders to government leaders and and and to to the people in general would would be to make sure to have children to create the new generation um and I think any any incentives that can be done to incent the new generation to make it easier uh for woman to have children um and to support the children I think would be uh very wise um this is so fundamental uh and uh I really can't emphasize that enough if if if you don't have a new generation there is no New Generation Um or with current birth rates I think it may be the generations are are birth rate is maybe half half of the replacement rate and what that means is in three generations the population will be one roughly roughly oneth of its current size in three generations maybe

four generations the you the population will be one tenth of its current size so I I I I always um want to emphasize this point because it is so basic and fundamental that if if if there's not at least a birth rate which is keeping population constant then uh a people will will will disappear um disappear Mr M disappear disappear we have a lot of immigration somebody says that immigration is important for that reason what what's your point on that immigrations is coming in Europe and is coming in America from the south of America and the Europe from the south of the Mediterranean Sea what do you think about that well I I think one can't depend on other countries for immigration and in fact if you look at say the the population worldwide um and this is

almost everywhere in the world and it seems to be a function of how um once a country industrializes once a country urbanizes the population uh immediately starts to decline um so one could say for example um like like China could not possibly solve uh its population with uh immigration because if you you know China is currently tracking to be maybe lose 40% of its population every generation you know that would be 700 million 800 million people um or 700 roughly 7 6 700 million people it's a lot basically you'd have to have the entire United States immigrate there twice every generation to Simply maintain numbers just for China so immigration the there simply Aren't Enough numbers in Immigration um and I I think I think there is value to to a culture

uh you know and and we don't want cultures we don't want Japan to disappear we don't want Italy as a culture to disappear we don't want France as a culture to disappear I think we have to have the maintain the sort of reasonable cultural uh identity of the various countries um or they simply will not be those countries um you know Italy is it Italy is the people of Italy the buildings are there but but really what is Italy Italy is the people of [Applause] Italy so I I mean I just think it's a and and I I speak as someone who is very much um very much an I'm an En environmentalist I and I believe in having you know building a sustainable future for the world um I think there are very few people who as as an individual who have done more than than I have

for to help the environment with electric cars and solar and and uh batteries to create a sustainable energy future because we absolutely need a sustainable energy future um [Laughter] but but but there is an aspect of the environmental movement that I think has gone too far um really said from you yes so said for me you know I think I am objectively one of the world's leading environmentalists in terms of doing things not i' say so like I'm an En environmentalist who does things of talk of action not talk I act um so so I feel I could say as uh as an environmentalist that the environmentalist movement has gone too far um and in that if if you in the natural extension of the environmentalist movement if you go too far you start to look at Humanity as

a bad thing you start to look at Humanity as though we are a plague on the surface of the Earth um as though humanity is a bad thing and in fact there are some people who think and and say explicitly that um in fact there was on the front page of the New York Times there was a guy who said There are 8 billion people on Earth it would be better if there were none which is crazy definitely um so you told me a joke about that you told me once a joke about the cows and the problem with the cows you remember that oh yeah don't worry about the cows cows are fine cows are not going to destroy the environment cows are fine yeah uh yes you know we have a lot of a lot of lows European laws against uh all the people who work with them you know is a big issue for

us because it seems green issue but is a very industrial issue for us yeah I think farming and cows are not do not have a any meaningful effect on the environment yes underline please I I yes objectively this is true so so the if you say like there's there's really only one thing that matters from an environmental standpoint uh for carbon which is that we are taking uh billions eventually trillions of tons of carbon from very deep with it under the Earth and putting transferring it to the atmosphere and oceans that's the that's actually really all that matters is is taking um vast amounts of carbon from underground where it's buried and moving it into the atmosphere by burning it um and if you do that for long enough eventually you will get climate change

now I think the climate change alarm is a little somewhat uh overblown in the short term it's still a concern in the long term but I think it's exaggerated in the short term great um now now I have to I'm trying to thread the the needle here between what uh you know like what is pragmatic and what is sensible what really matters and what doesn't matter what really matters is that over the long term over the course of the next uh several decades that we gradually reduce how how many M millions and billions of tons of of carbon that we remov from underground to the atmosphere because we're running sort of a climate experiment that is dangerous um but but I also don't think that I think of it as a a fundamental civilizational risk it it is it's not going

to destroy life on Earth it's not going to destroy Humanity but will it will create uh hardship if you change the climate um o over many decades so it's it's it's I think my my my message is like I think much more pragmatic and and I think I think correct and sensible um and I and I don't think we should uh demonize oil and gas I think we we should say look that is obviously necessary in the short term um and the medium-term too and it'll be take several decades to become sustainable so I think if we just without getting too worried about it uh seek to have a sustainable energy future um gradually then that's what will happen um and so but I think that some of the environmentalist movement has is part of what is causing people to lose hope in the future

so I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should have hope in the future we should be excited about the future and we should build the future we want what about um Elon you call it um the walk mind yes your is the name you gave to that that Island Walk mind uh illness what's that virus yeah so so it's coming to Europe I have to advise you H yes well this is not something you should import from America please don't import the W M virus is bad um so the I mean essentially that to summarize maybe the workm virus it consists of creating very very divisive um identity politics so it actually amplifies what virus M virus in my view amplifies racism amplifies uh frankly sexism and all the isms and while claiming to do the opposite it it actually divides people

and makes them uh sort of hate each other and it makes people hate themselves um and it's also anti- meritocratic it's not like um you know it's not Merit based so you want you want to have people succeed based on how hard they work and the talents not who they are whether they're man woman what what what race or you know gender what none that stuff is all creating it's an artificial uh you know mental Civil War that is created um and it's not and let me it's no fun okay it is like it is like w mind virus and fun are incompatible there's no fun in that no joy it's it's w virus is all about condemning people instead of celebrating people um you know like when in the work it just doesn't celebrate it's all about condemning and being divisive and and being

uh just I think it's just evil frankly really yeah yeah it's bad so bad yeah but have you get a lot of problems saying so on on your social in Exel have this point of view you are good friend of Obama administration and now they don't really like you so much for for this kind of speech you do in public or not I don't know I I mean I I just um I'm very I'm very pro-human I'm very Pro civilization I I'm in favor of uh Humanity um and and our Collective Consciousness expanding um on Earth and going beyond Earth um being a multiplanetary civilization and being out there among the stars and finding out the nature of the universe like all the things that you know it's that seems like to me an you know exciting thing something you can get really excited about

is is you're going to get excited like we want to have ideas that make you look forward to waking up in the morning look forward to the day look forward to the future and you know so so you have to say what what excites you about the future what moves your heart about the future what makes you say like yes I'm glad about what will happen in the future that's what we must you know focus on and that's that's why we have to have a new generation we've got to build and we got to grow and and uh like I said we understand this understand the the the the nature of this beautiful universe that we find ourselves in and the meaning of life or even what questions to ask about you know meaning of life um let us explore this wondrous creation and and have a good time

doing it yeah that's my philosophy let me let me go back for a little because I want to ask you about your perception of Europe as a building not as as people because Europe do a lot of L want a lot of integration of cultures different cultures and has different approach to the immigration we heard Melone did a lot on that with Premier Ram I see in the first line of Albania what do you think about the this approach of Europe approach as building I would say as an establish well I I should say like on to be clear on on immigration overall I'm I'm very much in favor of legal immigration I think that um generally I think which one should welcome come to a country anyone who is willing to work hard uh and is honest you know has high integrity and will add

to you know any given country if somebody is an asset to the country why not have them join that's obviously a great thing to do um so I think it's good actually to uh have an increase in legal immigration and and a simple legal with paper with yeah just some some approval process um but with a simple requirement that look if somebody's going to add to a country um like just really hardworking and H high integrity let them in I think that's great um but if there's if it's illegal immigration and there's no filter well how do you know who's coming and you don't know so you you have to have some you know uh basis for saying somebody should come in or not come in and and and and my argument is like it should be a very simple basis are will they will will

they add to the country will they be a productive part of the economy and um do they admire the culture do they want to join because of the culture uh then that's great um but if you know if there's no process for that then you don't know I think you know at least some number of the people that come in will will not be necessarily uh and I want to be careful because my words will be misconstrued I'm not saying all illegal immigrants are are are are bad I think probably perhaps most of them are good but but there will be some if there's no process for reviewing not at all then how can you say that everyone who is an illegal immigrant is is going to be honest and hardworking you can't say that because you simply don't know um so so I want to be clear top

line pro-immigration but but let's increase legal immigration but but we should stop illegal immigration I think this is just logical you you have a lot of company so sry you can drink because I want to do the list of the companies you have five seven minutes to do that I mean I'm joking with space x x n link so many X's all the X's guess what my favorite letter is okay X I guess it's a good place to invest Italy and it's a good place place to invest some of I mean not your money but some investment from your company of the American companies of the I would say competitive companies in this place what's your opinion no I mean I think Italy is an incredible country incredible culture I love I love visiting I love the Italian people I think you guys are

amazing than soia so um so I I I I want I you know personally I want I want the actually I want the prosperity of itah and I want the prosperity of every country um I want the prosperity of humanity as a whole and and like I said I want us to have an exciting uh future where we're we're fired up about what's going to happen and really excited so uh you know and and I think um you know Italy is a great place to invest it's a great uh you know great country um and uh but but I I do want to emphasize that the the that I I do worry that about the the low birth rate and you know if if a if a company is to invest in Italy they're like well you have to say like will there be enough people to work there you know it's simple question you know if if if the workforce

is declining then if the workforce is declining then then there then who will work at the company if there's no people is no people to work yeah but I mean in 5050 years 60 no no I think it's even sooner than that though you know you're so worried about that is the problem I I feel like a total Cassandra here um because like I seem to be worried about it much more than other people um but you know there just uh needs to be people if you don't make a new generation of people there is no new generation of people so that's it I I know I'm I'm I'm being you know being repetitive here um but um I'm just I'm just trying to state state facts you know so and uh yeah so it's a good place to invest I no I agree it's a good place to invest um and uh a wonderful

country so um please make more talian is what I'm saying you said once that the internet is the is the system is the n i i i write down the your word the nervous system of humanity what's it you said once to me and what's intelligence for you sorry the int artificial if that is the nervous system inell artificial intelligence what's I mean use another metaphor uh you asked me what do I think of artificial intelligence um obviously well you can think of artificial intelligence as um this is perhaps the you the biggest inflection point in intelligence since Homo sapiens um yeah yeah yeah um artificial intelligence is will be essentially sort of a a new species or is a new species um so I think one of the biggest challeng is if if I look at say civilizational

risk um you know the the risk to the future of humanity um you know birth rate is one of them if we just don't have kids and dwindle away um that's one which I've talked a lot about the other is uh you know there's always like potentially nuclear war of course that kind of thing um the uh then AI is also an existential risk and we need to be um I think we need to be careful with the Advent of AI um it but it is very much it's it's very much a double-edged sword you can think of AI as kind of like the magic Genie you know that like digital superintelligence will be capable of doing anything anything pretty much anything but he doesn't have any Consciousness I'm I'm wondering about that I mean there is a whole question of like what is consciousness in fact

so here's like I always I thought a lot about what is consciousness and where does Consciousness arise um you know to say like because I I think in terms of physics you know um and at least if physics is true then we go from a side of the universe where things are almost entirely hydrogen and then if you leave the hydrogen out long enough eventually it co leses into stars and then those stars explode and then they re recondense um you know so so Mo like most of the mass in your body is was once at the center of a star which is kind of wild billions of years ago and so so where where along the lines of of hydrogen to human does Consciousness arise you get very serious when you speak about that yeah it's a real question if you leave hydrogen out in the

sun long enough it it starts talking to itself here we are hydrogen talking to itself how to deal with that so if it is so important how to deal I mean lows um personal Behavior how to deal with that artificial intelligence because it's a process I mean I think we need to keep keep a close eye on artificial intelligence um I mean I'm in favor of some regulatory Insight uh just so that there's someone can at least um be a referee like if you think of any game like there's always a referee for a game for for industries that affect the good of the people there's are there are regulatory agencies that oversee those Industries anything that's dangerous is overseen by uh some kind of referee or regulator um I think we should have the same thing for AI um just

to to help ensure that it is beneficial um the the good part of AI is that we are headed for a future of abundance um so Ai and Robotics will mean that there will no shortage of goods and services you there there will be goods and services if you can think of it you can have it basically so this is uh quite profound like I said it's the magic G um Ai Ai and Robotics will get you anything you want um now usually in these sort of fairy tales about magic Genies it doesn't turn out so well um you have to be careful what you wish for even if what you wish for or wishes um [Music] so it's just something we should be cautious about okay um on the plus side it's will bring many benefits like I said it will usher in an age of abundance um so the positive scenario

of AI is that there's an age of abundance and there's no shortage of goods and services that any scarcity that is that exists will be only because we Define it to be scarce so and it it does seem to be somewhat of an inevitable thing uh AI so you know there's that supposedly that that Chinese saying about uh may you live an interesting times well I think we currently live in the most interesting of times in all of history right now um so anyway so my recommendation on AI I think we want some kind of regulatory oversight just to make sure um that it's beneficial AI great we hope so and what about the governments like um I mean they are elected by people like meloney and this government and the other government they have any risks or what do you think about

these challenge for the for the executive of the Nations about all these new U process sorry I'm not sure I understand the question what's re for the government of this artificial intelligence are there any risks I mean that democracy is finished well I I think there's certainly risk of artificial intelligence um affecting voting opinion I suppose and manipulating public opinion um so I think there's there's some risk of yeah a AI um in the public I think that's that's the of that um so yeah um okay you know but I think Pro like like I said 80% probable that AI is beneficial 20% harmful okay something like that I I'm I'm always worried because you know we have a new government this two years this government almost two years and we have a Europe for us

is our artificial intelligence it seems like artificial intelligence but it's not very intellig ENT sometimes Europe and so I'm wondering what do you think about the government and about Europe for us is so important the relation and understand artificial intelligence and the future but in the present we have laws uh you know constraints that comes from Europe what do you think about that if you have any opinion on that what do you think about Italian government which is trying to have a position I would say a position money I don't know if there more than a position you want me to be more tough than a position it's okay what do you think it's it's good to have a position in Europe to be uh I mean I would say different from a main course of European politics

um do you mean do you mean like country decisions versus EU decisions or decision about green about the politics immigration oh I mean there's a separate question of like I think regulations in Europe um there are too many regulations in in general not I'm not speaking about specific case of AI I I think one could look at this as overall a fundamental function of of a stable civilization the long the longer that any given civilization is stable and does not have a a big war the more rules and regulations will accumulate over time so rules regulations laws they are Immortal they never die so but people die so if every year um more and more rules regulations and laws are added uh you you will eventually make everything illegal um and you can think of it

sort of like gala's travels where galiva if if the nation is galiva is being tied down by one little regulatory string at a time and eventually you have millions of strings and then the giant can't move and so and I think there needs to be uh something where we uh Delete rules regulations and laws um because if we keep if we simply if all we do is add them eventually we will be able to do nothing okay sh sh shall I do some question about your companies because here there are all the young people not only the young people from important important Italian party and they most most of them use the social network they use x and I I I saw in the past days that the the CEO of Disney said I don't want to invest any advertising on X and he's Investing For example

in the meta in Instagram and he said that there are problems of I don't know which kind of problem they find on next compar I want child exploitation on yeah what what's what's going on and why why an import investor like Disney said something so tough on on X what's going on there well I think first of all I think X will be will be fine um and um we are actually already seeing um advertisers return to okay to X um so I guess they were I don't know upset with something I said or something I don't know um but um they you know advertisers I think are the brand advertisers are a little they're always worried about their brand and um you know maybe I think maybe a bit more than they should be um but I think it's a short-term issue um like I said the advertisers

sometimes get upset but then they usually calm down and they return to advertising so um come on you know that there is the walk virus over the well oh yes I have to say I don't want to answer it for you yeah yeah no no you're right you're right the if if we're going to fight the work mind virus then the work mind virus will fight back and unfortunately Disney is deeply infected with the work mind virus in fact if you ask an AI what is the most work company on Earth it's Disney you know but and and you have to say what would I mean I think they should be asking themselves what would Walt Disney think of Disney today I think he's turning in his I think he's not happy sure sure you know if if the namesake of the company is not happy that's probably a bad

sign you know because Walt Disney what did he care about he cared about bringing joy to people's lives he ped you know um making wonderful things that children and families could enjoy um and uh you know it was it created some of the the coolest um uh you know art in the world and stuff that even 100 years after it's created we still remember it and it's still it's still a major thing you have to say how great was Walt Disney it was amazing um but now Disney at least point now is deeply infected with the workm virus I think that will you know that will change over yeah oh I hope so he right the European commission they're not investing on X you know that maybe there a little they got the work mind virus too yeah you don't care I I I think so you know

and and and it's like why are they importing this this crazy thing from America you know it's like it's just some thing that was created basically by sort of far-left crazy people in US colleges and now it's spreading all over the world um and it's it's like you you know like the thing is the work myv it's it's not a message of Joy it's a it's a message of division sure it's not a message of love it's a message message of hate and I was like and so I'm like I I'm like like you know let's uh I don't know I'm in favor of like let's have a future that's got more love more like more and I let us build a fun exciting future and and and work by vir it's all about condemning one group and condemning this condemning that it's like and and and and it's also like

just being like a it just wants to scold you all the time and and treat you like a you know I don't know who wants to be scold it you know it's not fun um so anyway um I think we want to you know have a like so I guess at its heart my concern is that the workb virus is anti- civilizational um and of civilization anti- civilization I think civilization sure but if it represents a cost for your company what's you know you have a tradeoff between the cost of your position and the and the cost for the company what's your choice and what how how much is important in your behavior the the Free Speech uh standing that's the question I I do think free speech is incredibly important because if people cannot speak their minds um and then we we won't have a democracy

democracy is the foundation of democracy is free freedom of speech but also saying [Applause] something so Andrea Andrea stro is laughing at that because he knows that it's so important for you but tell me more about the Free Speech because here is very important person here couldn't speech for a lot of people because they were considered Mavericks and worse than that free speech for everybody is important not just for the person who say the right things correct exactly no no exactly the Free Speech means that free free speech is only relevant free speech is only meaningful when if if you allow people you don't like to say things you don't like so that's how you know it's working you know that's how you know it's working um because it as once you start

to censor uh people you don't like saying things you don't like it's only a matter of time before that censorship turns on you eventually you know live by the sword Die By The Sword live by censorship die by censorship [Applause] [Music] [Applause] yeah why you spoke about free you bought Twitter for the free speeech just for the Free Speech not for the business inside you bought oh yeah yeah well I mean here's the thing so um you know I think you have to say like if civilization is not strong if civilization doesn't grow um then nothing else matters you know prophets don't matter if civilization collapses there's there's no profits there's no you know you we we are not we we cannot exist absent civilization so sometimes may people may say like well is

this an altruistic thing I mean I think it's for me it feels altruistic but even if it's even if one is not altruistic even if one is very uh self-centered um you have to say if you simply think long term you have to be Pro civilization because you cannot exist without civilization okay how how important from 0 to 10 in the scale from 0 to 10 money you are the richest person in the world how is important money for you from 0 to 10 zero is the less important and is is the good word I don't know I don't want to one or two or something no come on no I mean you have one or two just just one or two well if you say like the I mean the the reason I guess I have what so-called wealth or it's really just shares in the company is that I've created these companies

you know and these companies like SpaceX and Tesla Tesla is 140,000 Jobs Direct uh worldwide and I five times that number maybe maybe almost a million jobs when you look at the whole supply chain for is what Tesla's created and then SpaceX is is about 15,000 people and also you know like maybe a full total supply chain 50,000 people so you know I mean I've basically W with the help of many talented people built these companies and then the the so-called these these wealth statistics simply they simply add up what the ownership is in the companies and say okay this is a certain amount of money but I don't actually have that in money I have it in stock I just it's just it's just that the companies have succeeded um but how was the last the last launch of

the SpaceX tell me something last question please joavan the last launch I see ma there sitting on the floor why are you sitting on the floor are you worried about the highness [Music] Mar how was the last launch was a you were optimist about your SpaceX the big big yeah so well well Starship so the the the the exciting thing about Starship is that it's the first rocket design that could make life multiplanetary that could enable a self- sustaining um base on the moon and a city on Mars um so because it is is not just a very large vehicle but it is designed for full and Rapid reusability um so that would um lower the cost of access to space by I don't know maybe 100 or more and so and basically it's it's the first rocket that is capable of um building

a base on Mars and a base on the Moon yes that's that's that's [Applause] yeah so you know you know there's the the the great Italian physicist Enrico FY I'm I'm a big admirer of FY and he had uh he was very good at asking profound questions questions um and one of his questions which is called the fmy Paradox is where are the aliens and one of the explanations is that and perhaps I think the one that I think is most appears to be most accurate is that Consciousness is extremely rare that it's you know we we people often ask me have I do I know about aliens or something like that you know I get asked that a lot um and the crazy thing is that I've seen no evidence of aliens whatsoever um this this means that I think most likely at least in this part of

the Galaxy um we are the only Consciousness that exists and so you can think of human consciousness really as like a a tiny candle in a vast darkness and we must do everything we can to ensure that the candle does not go out great we can finish with that we can finish with that okay we can finish with this oh and so so um it's worth reading about the FY Paradox and because people have thought very hard about this um because there are these because one of the things is like well maybe they are these great filters and and and and these civilizations don't pass these filters one of the filters is um do we become a multiplet species or not if we do not become a multiplet species then eventually at some point something will happen to the planet either it will

be uh man-made or it will be uh something natural like a a meteor like whatever killed the dinosaurs for example so and then eventually the sun will actually expand and will destroy all life on Earth so if one cares about life on Earth at all we should care about becoming a multiplet species and eventually going out there and becoming a multi- stellar species and having many Star systems you know we we we want the exciting parts of Science Fiction to not be fiction forever we want to make them real and um yeah great so thank you very much El give me give me your glass give me your glass for you